4:48 pm September 29, 2011, by David O'Brien
September 30th, 201110:58 am
Fredi please tip your cap with it on your head into a running chain saw. That’s all!
September 30th, 201111:10 am
WOW- We waste no time confirming more of the same next year! Oh me oh my. Dudes we have problems!!! HELLO is anyone out there?
Loyal to a fault – just like Bobby Cox!
Looks like we are end for another decade of “good but not great” baseball in Atlanta! Not sure this is what we the fans expected or desired with this “seamless” transition.
While I agree with not having to look over their shoulder each day there is the matter of performance. It does not appear Fredi even evaluated their effectiveness before resigning. Disappointing.
September 30th, 201111:20 am
Fredi: I anticpate a hell of a performance from my coaching staff & D. Blowe next season and that’s why everyone’s coming back; and if we get swept by the Phils again, I’ll tip my cap to them and anyone else who dismantles us…..
Coach (2011 Fredi G. FAILED)
September 30th, 201111:21 am
Yea, Fredi Failed and here is how……..
Day one, Fredi went with two rookies in Brandon Hicks and Matt Young, then proceeded to let them rot on the bench before sending both back to the minors.
He went with Derek Lowe as the Braves opening day starter, nothing could have stung more for Tim Hudson. The ensuing season proved Fredi wrong in his assessment of his pitching staff.
Fredi’s decision to bat Prado at the top of the Braves order was a disaster right from the word go. Prado did hit .283 with an OBP of .323 but he also stole one base, scored an anemic 28 runs in 47 games, and got caught four times before Fredi finally wised up while realizing foot speed was more important.
The bullpen. Fredi burned’em and I’m talking toast. The man simply overworked Kimbrel, Venters and O’Flaherty. They were all gassed at the end…all three.
But what has got me steaming mad, ticked off and ready to throw Fredi under the bus is one single game. The one where Fredi showed such poor judgement that he arguably blew their whole season.
I’m talking about 19 inning affair on July 26th. I watched the whole damn thing. I saw McCann come up lame in the third inning with the sore oblique again. I watched Fredi keep Mac in the game into the tenth inning when McCann really did severely injure his oblique in extra innings. Mac went on the DL and never recovered his swing afterward. All because our manager didn’t have the common sense to bring Ross into the game knowing his catcher was already hurting.
As for Fredi’s decision to keep marching Derek Lowe out to the mound game after game…..the results speak for themselves. Only suicide could have been more effective at tanking the entire season.
Finally, yanking Chipper out of the three hole was robbing Peter to pay Paul. The switch went nowhere fast and really irked Chipper in the process. In the end Fredi showed impatience, indecision, poor judgement and really disappointed this fan beyond words.
September 30th, 201111:40 am
Fredi, thanks for benching jConstanza for the month of Sept. so Bourn,Diaz,Prado. and Heyward
could get all the playing time.
What did Georgie do to Fredi to warrant the benching.
He went hitless two starts in a row and never got to start more than one game in a row again.
Worst treatment of a player I’ve seen from the braves since 1966.
September 30th, 201111:41 am
All of you arm chair coaches quit whining and focus your negativity on football now!
September 30th, 201111:52 am
This decision is exactly what we have learned to expect from Fredi’s degree of wisdom.
September 30th, 201111:55 am
Perez was the only keeper, only coach whose attitude sells tickets.
September 30th, 201111:57 am
Wren needs to be fired if he allowed Fredi to make this decision without consultation and justification. ,
September 30th, 201112:11 pm
“You want coaches to be able to come in here and work in a good environment and not be looking over their shoulders worried about that kind of stuff.”
“That kind of stuff”, like good performance, Freddi?
Braves Fan Since 1966
September 30th, 201112:13 pm
I think I figured out what happened. Braves top brass was meeting on Thursday morning and they were trying desperately to figure out how they could divert attention from the players. Suddenly someone says “I know what we should do. Let’s hire all the coaches back and see if that works.”
September 30th, 201112:16 pm
A very wise move on Frank Wren’s part.
If he’d only keep Derek Lowe and Chipper Jones around a few more years, that will guarantee Phillie domination in the NL East into the next decade.
I like our coaching staff, with Larry Parrish and Carlos Tosca being the only one in question. I hope that Chipper becomes out hitting coach once he retires. I think we need a new bench coach, too, since that was a big weakness of ours this year.
The real issue is getting a new OWNER. Preferably one with a face. We need more money.
September 30th, 201112:24 pm
This organization is a country club.
September 30th, 201112:30 pm
Heyward’s OBP is a joke. Probably a third of his hits were just balls that he almost missed and he was able to beat out because of his speed.
September 30th, 201112:35 pm
That’s unbelievable!! The Braves fans poured their hearts into supporting this year’s team, suffering just like the players and coaches. Jeff’s article yesterday must have broken a record of fans’ “comments” — we’re not all stupid,either. Then, the next morning, Wren and Gonzalez announce there are no changes to anything, like saying,”Screw all you fans’ input. What do you know? If there’s anything broken, WE will fix it.”
Well, we doubt it, since you didn’t fix anything when it was all slipping away. It got worse and worse.
September 30th, 201112:44 pm
You really have to think about what went on behind closed doors behind this epic fail. Wren and Cox, with Fredi sitting their w/ a stupid yes-man look on his face, made a decision that they would head off any speculation about repercussions or firings by making an announcement like this right away. They think they disarmed a situation, but instead have just poured gas on a fan base on fire,, which highlights the stupidity that is in place and underlines a few things. They would never admit that they made the wrong decision with Fredi because that threatens job security,, no matter how easy it is to see where he clearly failed this team and this fan base. They instead will put the focus on the players that did not deliver and marry it up with injuries and bad breaks ,, thereby putting the spotlight somewhere else. If Parrish is Wrens buddy, then this thing also wreaks of nepotism at it’s finest ..again see: job security. They think that this was just one of those unfortunate anomalies that occurs when the wheel gets spun and lands on a victim versus anything that is measured thru accountability and and attitude of “how did this happen?”. They also are counting on hope springing eternal come Spring and a fan base w/ short memories,,,who is forgiving. That is where they are wrong in a big way. If they don’t think this will damage the already poor home attendance next year, they they are mistaken. The manner in which this announcement came within 24 hours has me so upset that I will not attend one game ,,and I attended around 12 this year ( yeah, I know,, big deal) and will not support this team. I will just read box scores in 2012 and spend my time with my family in a more productive way.
September 30th, 201112:47 pm
Boston fires their world-series winning manager after a collapse, and the Braves retain their whole coaching staff? Incredible. I was accustomed in the 90’s to seeing zero consequences for failing to win championships, but this is something completely different. At least those 90’s clubs won the pennant every other year. Do the Braves really expect people to buy merchandise and tickets when the only consequences for this disaster are the fans’ broken hearts? Wow.
September 30th, 20111:19 pm
Mike Smith of the Falcons takes the blame. Fredi is a punk comfy with his pay check. Screw this bum fire him NOW!!! Or we will waist another 8 months of baseball.
We as fans should expect more of the same in 2012. Time to rethink season tickets.
September 30th, 20111:24 pm
Methinks that FreddiFearless at 12:11 nailed it
“You want coaches to be able to come in here and work in a good environment and not be looking over their shoulders worried about that kind of stuff.”
“That kind of stuff”, like good performance, Freddi?
Well said FreddiFearless. “That kind of stuff”…..in other words, there should be ABSOLUTELY NO FEAR of being fired. Wow…let me know how that works out for you…you stunningly inept idiot.
The especially damaging part about this epic collapse (where do you begin, I know) is that even if the Braves are outstanding for 80% or more of the season next year…don’t expect fans to buy into the hype…expect empty seats…expect no Kool Aid to be drank, because you just showed….yet again…for the nine bazillionth time…that you are a gutless club that is capable of blowing ANYTHING to pieces. I’d like to hear one…JUST ONE player or coach for this team quoted as being angry beyond words about this….call out some people if need be…what the heck is it going to hurt? Show You Care!!!!
I’ve got two young boys who are just old enough now to really get into MLB…but there is no way I’m going to spend my money to take them to a game to show them this gutless organization… fire the coach…fire the hitting coach…and heck, fire any player who isn’t beyond outraged at this.
September 30th, 20111:25 pm
Management doesn’t understand that they are out of synch with their fans and the public in general. Even if you plan to keep the same coaches and players and try it all over again and see if there is a different outcome…. why would you slap your fans in the face and announce within 24 hours that all is well and we are sticking with all the same folks? Don’t they understand how to at least appear to be sympathetic with their fans?
September 30th, 20111:29 pm
It must feel reassuring to Sox fans to see their brain trust meeting and seriously discussing what happened and how it MUST change…. It must be really nice….
Lee in S GA
September 30th, 20111:32 pm
All these coahes staying well ..whoopie doopie doo…I wish Fredi was my supervisor at work.
September 30th, 20111:38 pm
MeThinks, i agree with you. And I’ve only been getting angrier over the past 24 hours…and another thing is that there has been *zero* communication with the fan base….I can’t help but contrast us with Boston….who are out there being berated by their fans…but at least they’re out there. Has Frank Wren made any statement? Has anybody said anything meaningful. I sent a scathing (well, scathing by mild standards) to the Braves organization and have received zero feedback (not even an auto-response) and I’m the kind of fan they want to keep….my family and i attend 11 home games this year and have spent literally thousands of dollars. No more.
September 30th, 20111:48 pm
Franco gone who has won 2 world series and the Braves entire staff retained.. Really? Don’t understand this organization. time to change the country club mentality of doing business…
PR Braves Fan
September 30th, 20111:55 pm
Larry Parish have to go, Fredie is protecting Wren decision on hiring him, I remember the main target for the job was Don Baylor but he decided for the D`backs job and see what a great job he has done for them. A.Gon is an asset on the defensive side of the ball but in this division u have to hit on all cylinders to win and I got tired of him striking out or hitting to double plays, Pastornicky has done a great job hitting .300 at AAA and he`s a speedy guy with a great on-base %, hitting 2nd could be great, this team is in good track it was a shame we lost or 2 best starters to injuries but this offensive melt down cannot be tolerated, our bullpen fell apart on the last series because to many close and extra inning games. Parrish contract should not be extended, Heyward is going nowhere, Braves wont sell low on that kind of talent, Francour just had a great season in Kansas city, bring a new hitting coach who encorage the on-base % and situational hitting, too many guys left on third
September 30th, 20111:56 pm
Would have been nice for Fredi to have given Parrish some time to develop some adjustments for next season and present them to Fredi before automatically saying he wants LP back.
September 30th, 20112:01 pm
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!Really, what an organization. Made history for losing and all is well, I’m frigging done with these idiots!!!!!!!
September 30th, 20112:16 pm
IF THE BRAVES DO NOT MAKE ANY COACHING CHANGES THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU STOP PURCHASING TICKETS TO THE GAMES. AS LONG AS PEOPLE PURCHASE TICKETS TO THE GAMES BRAVES MANAGEMENT COULD CARE LESS WHAT ANY OF US THINK.
September 30th, 20112:30 pm
According to a report from USA Today, Francona is out as the Red Sox manager. Maybe they will come after Fredi and he can take his coaching staff with him to Boston.
September 30th, 20112:33 pm
I”ve been a Braves fan back, when they were drawing 1200 to a game. I quit. Switching
to the Nationals.
September 30th, 20112:56 pm
Red Sox firing their manager and we can’t even get rid of Parrish. Really?
September 30th, 20112:57 pm
PATHETIC!!! HORRID DECISION!! I will not be attending any Braves games in 2012 out of disgust for this decision. As someone already pointed out this decision alone tells you how #%$%ed we are as a team, with a manager who is too stupid and hardheaded to objectively analyze the performance of this team and coaching staff, especially the last month of the season, where the team literally fell apart in almost every game. The bullpen faltered when we needed them the most, the offense was putrid and downright anemic for almost the entire year, the starters ERAs rose dramatically the last couple months, late inning collapses gallore, mismanagement of the bullpen, terrible late game hitting with RISP, general malaise attitude, veterans not stepping up and rookies who self-destructed by seasons end… I could go on and on, but this coaching staff obviously lost us quite a few games with poor decisions, the offensive production dropped for EVERY member of the Braves offense this year, and the pitching fell apart and the remaining starters were lit up constantly at the end of the year. The coaches should be fired for a thousand reasons, Larry Parish and Freddi Gonzalez are way over their heads and should be axed immediately. I think Roger McDowell should be on thin ice as well, after the pitchers collapsing. Then too make matters worse Freddi wants to bring the entire staff back of this EPIC collapse, with NO DEDICATED, ACROSS THE BOARD, OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF EVERY COACH AND PLAYER AND EVERY POSITION!!! He truly is the stupidest manager in MLB, HAS no CLUE, and should be fired IMMEDIATELY IF I WAS WREN!!!
September 30th, 20113:04 pm
NO offense for most of the year, no clutch hitting, no hitting with RISP, no fundamentals at the plate, and a team that made Houston Astros Double A pitchers look like vintage Greg Maddux….TIP YOUR CAP!!!
Getting shutdown and losing series to powerhouses like the NY Mets, The Washington Nationals, the Chicago Cubs, the San Diego Padres, and the Florida Marlins….TIP YOUR CAP!!!
Going 9-18 down the stretch, and losing your final 5 games of the regular season, the last to a squad of minor leaguers, and losing the wild card on the last day! Only the Braves could do this! Priceless….
TIP YOUR CAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 30th, 20113:16 pm
MLB Trade rumors says the braves are not high on jhay and may look to trade him.
September 30th, 20113:36 pm
DOB, just saw your tweet that of course Fredi talked with Wren before he offered 2012 contracts to the entire coaching team less than 10 hours after the greatest collapse in sports history.
So that makes it a million times worse for me….given the magnitude of what happened…the first meeting they had in the morning was to re=hire everyone? I’ve given up on this team. This feels *nothing* like last year (an honest loss….to the team that ended up winning the whole thing)…this is just an insult and a scary insight into what must be a clueless organization.
September 30th, 20113:40 pm
Prediction:Fredi will be gone by the 2012 all star break. This team needs major changes and it starts with the manager and his staff. There is little to no chance the Braves will be as competitive next year in a division that will see the Nats and Marlins only get stronger. I have never seen nor heard a manager or players with such a litany of cliches and excuses.
September 30th, 20113:44 pm
Dany Knobler just tweeted that braves fired Larry Parish
September 30th, 20113:53 pm
September 30th, 2011
“MLB Trade rumors says the braves are not high on jhay and may look to trade him”
If that is true, the Braves organization are dumber than I thought. Even if you are disapointed with Heyward and think you may trade him, you certainly don’t do it now when his trade value may be low. I thought the kid should have been benched for Constanza, but he has more potential than Constanza, so wait until spring. HIRE A NEW HITTING COACH and see if the kid gets his stroke back. .
william in pasaden
September 30th, 20113:55 pm
Does anyone have Frank Wren’s e-mail address? If you do, could you please forward it to me at email@example.com?
September 30th, 20113:58 pm
of course he can say this knowing his job is actually the one on the line. He should be looking over his shoulder and stop making public statements about things he should have done differetly. Those kind of statements only prove he was a bad manager.
September 30th, 20114:03 pm
This is Why the Braves will never win.Any other winning frachise would be talking about firing him but not the sorry a** cheap Atlanta Braves.Just pathetic!
September 30th, 20114:05 pm
And if the Braves get rid of Heyward there stupid.
September 30th, 20114:06 pm
They just tweeted Parrish won’t be back.
Braves reverse field, make right call firing Larry Parrish | Jeff Schultz
September 30th, 20114:11 pm
[...] our David O’Brien reported in his blog, the Braves ranked 26th in the majors in batting average (.243) and on-base percentage (.308) after [...]
September 30th, 20114:14 pm
Congratulations and thanks to all of you who posted. We may well have made an impact if the news on Parrish being fired one day after Fredi’s announcement is true. Well done fellow Braves fans.
September 30th, 20114:18 pm
I hope the latest is true the Parrish is gone. No way someone doesn’t take responsibility for pathetic offensive nonperformance. Can’t bunt, hit sac flies, no fundamentals – just close your eyes and swing as hard as you can and hope…terrible.
September 30th, 20114:32 pm
When you compare this team with the 1991 and other early 90 era teams it becomes obvious why we cannot win. We had a some home grown youth with talent 40% that mixed with 60% imported proven veterans, that were hungry for postseason play.
What’s wrong with this team is that, except for Dan Ugla, obviously everyone else can’t wait to get home, get on the couch and put there dogs up and watch the rest of the season on their big screens.
We really need a complete makeover for this team that includes sacking everyone from the owner on down. Bring in some new blood to install a completely different atmosphere in Atlanta.
We have an opportunity to get Ozzie Gullien in here and shake this thing up. I think it’s time to trade Brian McCain and Chipper Jones if we can, if not release them outright, we’ve got better bench players right now available to us, retain 40% of the pitching staff and use some second tier veteran free agents until we can get this thing sorted out. Rather than attempting to make to the playoffs next year let’s change our focus towards building a team that won’t make a goal off not just making it to the playoff’s but will strive to win a World Series.
Not Lee Corso
September 30th, 20114:40 pm
NOT SO FAST, MY FRIEND!
September 30th, 20114:43 pm
Pink Slips: John Schulerholtz, Frank Wren, Fredi Gonzales, Brian McCann, Derek Lowe, Alex Gonzales, Chipper Jones.
September 30th, 20114:51 pm
“I’m sure that L.P. [Parrish] will sit back and evaluate some things, maybe do some things different, like we all will,” Gonzalez said
Fredi, you need to ask him, so that you can be sure. You can not repeat htis again next season.
a disappointed braves fan
September 30th, 20115:01 pm
if fredi cant see that the braves do not have a problem in hitting and make some changes, wren should see that he has a problem with fredi and fire him.
September 30th, 20115:25 pm
PARRISH IS GONE!
bring back blauser
September 30th, 20117:08 pm
if fredi has any smarts at all he should bring in Chris Chambliss as his hitting coach.
September 30th, 20117:10 pm
and while he is at it bring back Leo Mazzone as pitching coach
October 1st, 201112:36 pm
Fredi perhaps you now know who is in charge……It’s FRANK….HE’S YOUR BOSS. Now that you know that….ask him what he expects you to do. In my judgement he wants you to produce another F***ed up season with all of your blunders. FRANK IS A LOSER AND SO ARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 2nd, 201110:20 pm
Let’s give Walt Hriniak a call.
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