5:28 pm September 29, 2011, by David O'Brien
September 30th, 20115:18 am
The Braves will not win it all next year with the present team so changes will have to be made. It would be nice if Chipper would retire and let the rebuilding start but you can’t expect a man to walk away from the guaranteed money. The Braves can only keep putting together some young players and get ready for 2 years from now.
September 30th, 20116:26 am
CHIPPER IF YOU CARED ANYTHING ABOUT THIS ORGANIZATION YOU WOULD RETIRE INSTEAD OF MILKING IT FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT. Is is pitiful that we pay top dollar ( 14/15 million a year) for 18 home runs and 70 RBIs. There are plenty of veteran guys ( McCann, Hudson) that can do the all important clubhouse leadership thing. Hell you can barely bend over to catch the ball and the scary thing is next year you will be even older. Because of your selfishness, I dont think you will be remembered the way you want to.
September 30th, 20116:48 am
Braves will free up significant money for next year. Losing Kawakami, McLouth, A Gonzalez, Linebrink, Sherrill, and probably non-tender Moylen (but could re-sign him at a lower salary than the $2+ M he will get in arbitation)) saves the Braves about $19.6M (even after paying McLouth’s $1.25M buyout). The Braves will owe some large arbitration increases (Bourn, Jurrjens, Prado) and may have a few more arbitration-eligible for the fist time (maybe Hanson). But overall the Braves will free up significant money. Key free agent need will be a shortstop. Other than Reyes and Rollins, there is not much out there at SS, and I doubt the Braves have the money to sign either. Both have had injury issues. I could see re-signing Gonzalez to a one-year, $3M deal. Everyone else will be back (if the Braves decide to keep them). Lowe’s $15M contract looks un-tradeable, unless we trade for another team’s problem (think Carlos Zambrano, or Carlos Lee, even though I do not want either). We might sign another veteran reliever or 2, and maybe improve our depth. The real issue I see is RF. A Heyward-Diaz platoon? Not the production I would like to see in RF. It would be nice to sign a much better hitting RH-hotting 4th outfielder.
Liberty Media Man
To all the whiners who complain that Liberty Media is “cheap”. Check out the payrolls for post-season teams like the Rays & Brewers when compared to the Braves. The Rangers & Cardinals are comparable to the Braves’ payroll.
When your general manager blows $30 million this season on Lowe, McLouth & Kawakami, not exactly return on the investment.
September 30th, 20117:31 am
Terry Francona is getting Released today
Please Fredi…Get out of the way!!!
Voice of Reason
September 30th, 20117:34 am
Again, to all the Chipper defenders, I admire your nostalgia. Chipper is deservedly a Hall of Famer. But facts matter. Here are the three main reasons I wish Chipper would retire (putting aside all the speculation about attitude and leadership).
1. Bat speed, bat speed, bat speed. Once you lose it, it is gone. Ask Jeff Bagwell. Ask Derek Jeter. Once its gone, pitchers don’t fear you.
2. Lost power. It is hard to generate power pushing off two bad knees. They’re not going to suddenly get healthier. Chipper remains a pretty good hitter based on his raw ability, but he is more punchless than at any other time in his career.
3. Age. The body ages and heals more slowly and less completely. Chipper is not getting younger, and he was never an iron man even in his prime. Plus, he’s not exactly reknowned for his rigorous offseason conditioning program. To think he’ll play more than 100-110 full games is wishful.
Chipper has been an excellent player. He’s often been fun to watch. But its over–time to move on.
What starts with "Ch" and rhymes with poke?
September 30th, 20117:54 am
Why does this have to be Chipper’s decison. The Braves should just release him. If he’s on the roster next spring, it shows the organization is not serious about fielding a team.
And don’t start with me about Chipper being a HOFer; he’s not. In this steroid era his numbers don’t stand out. Even when he was juicing, his own stats weren’t overwhelming. Though he had double digit opportunities, not ONE time in the playoffs did he put the team on his shoulders. Leadership? Nope. The past month epitomized the Chipper Jones era–all talk, no action. The biggest games of the season and he can’t get the one big hit the team needs. His baserunning and fielding has always been atrocious, so at least that hasn’t changed.
Frank Wren, find another third baseman. Chipper, retire (or demand a trade).
September 30th, 20117:57 am
When C. Jones flew out to the center fielder in the 9th inning on Wednesday, even my 8 year old son turned to me and said, “warning track power.” That’s all Chipper’s got anymore.
September 30th, 20118:09 am
Another year to steal some more gravy. Do the right thing Larry and let the Braves use all that money to get young………..
September 30th, 20118:19 am
chipper is not the aqnswer to this braves team, he will miss a bunch of time and will cost the team $14 million which means no significant changes can happen to the line up!
September 30th, 20118:20 am
Chipper is a future HoF player, but baseball is BIG Business. You have to pay players for what they do – not what they did. Prado appears to be a good utility player. As much as I like Bourne, is he the next rental. Heyward possibly needed more minor league time. Frency’s defense was above average. Heyward’s ability?? Need two OF, third base and maybe a short stop. Are any available in the minors? Start to rebuild or buy a case of band-aids with the same results each year.Spend the money wisely, our manager and coaches will ruin young players. Chipper would be a good Manager/Hitting Coach candidate. No one doubts his loyalty and devotion to our Braves, but his body is one step or swing from the DL. What will 2012 bring, probably the same results unless severe changes are made. will this happen – NO.
September 30th, 20118:24 am
So Hall of Famer C Jones will be back, clogging up a roster spot, and tying up $15 million dollars in 2012. Woo-hoo. “But he’s Chipper, he’s been great” the fans say. OK. So was Hank, Murph, and Niekro. Let’s bring them back too. They would be as effective as Chipper, and they probably have more range.
Mid Town Joe
September 30th, 20118:28 am
It’s a shame Chipper didn’t have this fire in his Belly for playing during his 1st 10 years in baseball.
September 30th, 20118:32 am
What a sorry bunch of SORE LOSERS!!!
If the TEAM had scored more runs, we wouldn’t have had to use our big 3 in the BP every day.
TP was brutalized by you guys for years…why does this Hitting Coach get a FREE PASS???
This team ran out of gas…get a better training regimen…and hitting coach
David and Carol, Thank you for your coverage this year and putting up with so much on this blog. Take a break and get some rest. Yours hours have been long.
What else is he going to do?
September 30th, 20118:40 am
For those that are interested, I just looked up his salary history and to date the Braves have paid Chipper ~$155 million, so next year will put him at ~$169 million over his career. I suspect the money is a nice incentive, but a bigger factor is figuring out what else Chipper would do. He was raised a baseball player, his Father is his ultimate hitting coach, his entire life appears to revolve around the sport, (other than killing the animals that have the misfortune of inhabiting his ranch). Does anyone really expect him to walk away from a decent year and admit he is done while still under contract? The athletes that do walk away from the game on their own typically have other interests and passions in life and I just don’t get that impression from Chipper.
So let’s make the best of another Chipper season, (or two), watch him ascend the career batting stats, and hope that Wren can make a few moves to improve this club in the offseason.
September 30th, 20118:41 am
Mr Larry [ Chipper ] Jones is the PROBLEM.
September 30th, 20118:45 am
Here’s an interesting website:
Ranks MLB players “based on various offensive and defensive statistics. Players increase their scores with every contribution they make to the game — batting, slugging, baserunning and defense.”
This site ranks Chipper the 6th-best 3B in the majors.
Prado (LF): 20th
Bourn (CF): 5th
Uggla (2B): 8th
McCann (C): 6th
Freeman (1B): 11th
Gonzalez (SS): 15th
Heyward (RF): 26th
3B was a weak position across the majors; Prado would have been the 9th-best 3B in MLB.
All this points to a glaring flaw in the Braves: we did not get much production from our corner OF positions. Prado just does not cut it at LF, which is traditionally a roster spot for a top hitter (and a place to hide a defensive weakness, if needed). And we have to do something in RF. Either Heyward needs a personal batting coach that can fix the holes in his swing, or a good RH hitter to platoon with him, or both.
We are going to have money to spend this offseason. Pitching looks fine – we need a couple of bats (SS, OF) and a continued look to improve team speed.
Chipper: Keep playing. I don’t know what games the folks on this page have been watching for 20 years, but it wasn’t the ones you were in. Give us one more good year.
September 30th, 20118:47 am
Retire NOW Larry. Might as well write off 2012 as well.
September 30th, 20118:52 am
CHUMPER…stay in Texas…see if you can hit a deer or two; hopefully the early morning light won’t get in your eyes like the lights against Marlins. But you say you’re coming back..why..another Hooters girls you got your eye on? Inquiring minds want to know Slipper! No more Chumper!!!
September 30th, 20118:59 am
Or seriously renegotiate your contract…. to $1 million for next year.
September 30th, 20119:06 am
smallmouth6….I don’t know what game you’ve been watching for the past few years, but Chumper making 14 million+ and hitting 18 homers works out to about $783K per homer or better yet, 70 RBI works out to $201K per RBI….he isn’t worth it anymore and hasn’t been for a few years. It’s time to wake up…this isn’t 1999….Chumper is a old man now and way past his prime!!!!!! Dump the Chump!!!!!!!
September 30th, 20119:11 am
This team became the negative version of the teams in the 90’s that came from behind and never gave up. We can blame Wren, the hitting coach, and injuries to the pitchers, but the buck has to stop with the manager.
September 30th, 20119:15 am
Here’s a thought. CJ will go down as one of the best SH to ever play. Why not put some of that $ to good use and make Chipper a player/coach. He cant be any worse than Parrish or even TP.
September 30th, 20119:16 am
PLEASE Chipper, just retire. The Braves certainly don’t need a washed up, tired, old hanger-on who can only play a third of a season. They should have traded him years ago when they could’ve gotten something for him. He might have been a decent DH in the AL. He should make like horse hockey & hit the trail.
The Alpha Male
September 30th, 20119:18 am
I hope Chipper does play…. I just hope its for the Texas Rangers so we can free up $13 million for better use.
Damon Dingle Barryhill
September 30th, 20119:34 am
Why would anyone dog Chipper? Yeah, he’s not an MVP anymore, but he’s one of the only guys on the team that can hit with RISP. He will drive in runs, put up a tough at bat, and yes.. hit a sac fly when he needs to. Don’t be all over him for the $13 MM. He won the batting title a few years ago, and signed a big contract afterwards to finish up here in Atlanta. True, he’s not worth it statistically but who really is? D Lowe? If you’re gonna complain about an overpaid player that actually HURTS THE TEAM, call out D Lowe.
September 30th, 20119:36 am
“We got our butts kicked for the last couple of weeks of the season, and they’re going to learn a lot from it and be better ballplayers for it.”
I agree 100%. Sometimes failure is the best path to success. You have that bad taste in your mouth when something like this happens and it makes you do what it takes to never feel like that again. I don’t think there’s a single player on this roster that won’t grow from this experience.
September 30th, 20119:40 am
The headline should read:
CHIPPER ALL ABOUT THE GREENBACKS, WILL RETURN TO LEECH FINAL YEAR OF CONTRACT
(Quote) “I know that I will not be healthy next year. Hell, I’ll be lucky to play in 81 games. My oblique is always cranky, I have no right knee, my hip always bothers me, I have painful bunions, and my post-PED’s body is a wreck… that said, I’d be a fool to walk away from all that loot!”
“I figure I’ll sit next to Derek (Lowe) and talk about how to spend all that dough during our free time. Unless he is in Mississipi, like KK was this year.”
September 30th, 20119:43 am
Dingle: he hurts the team by always being hurt, like he has been for the past seven seasons. As far as I am concerned, he is no better a salary leech as Lowe-tard is – and I HATE Lowe-tard!
September 30th, 20119:45 am
Chipper…You have been a pleasure to watch and a complement to the organization, but it’s probably time to hang it up. We have enough young up-and-comers and your salary prohibits signing anyone who could fill immediate needs. Although you aren’t the only one who needs to go (i.e.: McLouth, Wilson, LOWE), @ $14,000,000 you are not worth it. The Braves have the making of a great team next year. Please don’t hamper that and retire with dignity, because if you don’t leave soon, the flack you get from everyone would certainly diminish what has been a memorable career.
September 30th, 20119:47 am
Hitting into less double plays during the last few games, and I might have a better attitude for Chipper playing one more season. Oh yeah, and there was the grounder lost in the lights, too. I can picture a whirlpool tub in the dugout for Chipper next year.
September 30th, 20119:49 am
“When your general manager blows $30 million this season on Lowe, McLouth & Kawakami, not exactly return on the investment.”
FIRE FRANK WREN – HE IS THE PROBLEM!!!
September 30th, 20119:50 am
D lowe hopefully goes back to the pen, allowing Tehran, Delgado, Hanson, Hudson and maybe JJ To fill the rotation. The reason ATL got as far as they did this yr was because Fredi had to burn out the BP. Hopefully they recover.
September 30th, 20119:52 am
Normally, teammates buy gag gifts for their aging teammate, like a walker.
In Cripple Jones’ case, a wheelchair is not a gag gift, but a necessity to survive 2012. Like most of the players in the MLB, he’s a greedy LOSER!
This may sound radical to some of you Chipper haters but when you enter into a contract with another party you are expected to honor that agreement, Chipper has been one of the greats of baseball and put up some pretty good numbers this year, How much do you think it would cost to sign another player who could match those numbers? Chipper is not Superman and cannot carry the whole team, Look for Chipper to become the Manager for the Braves some day, For me that day can’t get here soon enough.
September 30th, 20119:53 am
TRADE HANSON & JJ FOR A TRIPLE-A STUD LF’ER THAT CAN OJT WITH US NEXT SEASON!!!
@smallmouth, I am sure Chipper would love to give you one more good year, if…. if he had it in him, but he does not. He is over the hill and needs to retire. I cannot recall the last meaningful hit he had. He constantly swings at pitches way outside while looking like a statue on pitches over the plate; His fielding has dropped off; his power has dropped off; you can see pain in his face everytime he runs. Chipper has had a very good(not great), career, but it is about 3 years past time to go to Texas and live the rest of your life. Retire Chipper before your body retire you.
September 30th, 20119:55 am
LET’S RID OURSELVES OF CHRONICALLY INJURED AND, BY EXTENSION, USELESS PLAYERS. LET THE KIDS PLAY AND DEVELOP, LET’S REBUILD!!!
September 30th, 201110:01 am
I don’t think any of us expected this to be it for Chipper.
Hope the Braves manager grows a pair and builds a line-up that is less reliant on him. He’s going to miss at least 40-50 games next season. It’s just the natural progression of Chip in his older playing days.
If the Braves had a clue and wanted to push him to one more chance at a title, they’d realize this is his swan song.
Buy, Trade or Steal one big hitting corner outfielder for the guy. Solidify the top four spots in the batting order with EVERYDAY ball players. Bourn, Freeman, Uggla and our new FA to be. Use the speed at top to get on and into scoring position, have 2 big boppers there to drive him home.
Then you have Chip and Mac back-to-back to clean up the mess. This way when those two miss the games they WILL miss….it’s less disruptive to the heart of the order. I’m tired of rotating batting orders because of missed games. We need to establish an order and run with it unlike this year. I don’t believe we put together a normal ‘healthy’ order until the season really started to slide.
September 30th, 201110:09 am
where the f&*k was constanza the last month???..diaz signed to hit righties (joke)…jack wilson signed for defense???(joke)…damnest bad managing in years, and if you make it to the major leagues, who the F%*k needs a hitting coach anyway????? especially larry parrish???? hahahaha
i’ve been a bravos fan since 1968 and been through alot (even charlie spikes in right field)…this is the most pi*&$ed off i’ve been in a long time…go wtach moneyball frank wren…remember KK??? do we still owe him???…CRAP
We can beat those Cheese Steaks!
September 30th, 201110:30 am
Larry will be playing for at least 2 more years!! 2012 and 2013!
September 30th, 201110:44 am
So lets see, Chipper gets paid $14 Million to play 126 games or less. Perfect example of why MLB is doomed. Chipper is maybe a $5 Million player, if he could play 150 ganes, Not only can he not play 150 games, due to his old age, but they don’t want him to play 150 because that means they have to throw another $9 Million up a wild hogs rear end. What a game. Absoulute horse crap.
September 30th, 201110:55 am
Go hunting Chipper and forget about baseball. Diaz needs to go. Trade Prado and Heyward while you can still get something good for them. Another bad year and they will be worth far less. Definitely keep Freeman, Uggla and Bourne. I would even say that McCann should be considered for trade if they get a good offer after the way he dogged it through September. Dump Lowe for sure. Dump the whole coaching staff for sure. I have been a Braves fan since 57, but I am done with them as long as this “coaching staff” is there. I have better things to do than support idiocy.
September 30th, 201111:06 am
Dumping Chumper, Kamakize & sLowe would save about $26M….think Liberty Media would let the Braves go get a couple of in-their-prime players with that money? Nah, Chumper is the big draw for the Granny’s and teenagers at Hooters, Kamakize is the big TV draw on the Japan market and sLowe is loved by the Beer vendors and cussed by every fan whenever he pitches. Yep, we’re screwed…maybe 2013
September 30th, 201111:15 am
Chipper is still a great player if he rests offen. He should not play more than 3 days in a row. He still produces.
We need a stong hitting left fielder.
Bourn is a GREAT CF that we should hold on to. He is championship level.
We need 2 more top relievers to go with our stay with our starters who can not go over 6 innings in ANY game.
We need to get rid of Lowe and eat whatever part of the contract that is necessary.
We need a new hitting coach. Parrish was probably the worst ever.
September 30th, 201111:16 am
Chipper was not even in the top 10 of the Braves problems this year.
September 30th, 201111:18 am
So it’s good news a third baseman who can’t move 18″ to his left to field a ball is going to come back and gobble up 3 times as much salary as he’s worth?
September 30th, 201111:19 am
I sure wish WE had hired Ozzie Guillen instead of letting him go to FLA.
September 30th, 201111:22 am
Here’s the profound difference between a town that understands winning or seriously striving to win big prize…
Boston: “This cannot happen”; “Who is to blame for this collapse?”; “Fundamental Chnages Needed!” ; “Replace the GM?” ; “Francona out as Manager?”
Atlanta: “There were a lot of good things this season”; “Coaching staff will return in tact” ; “We got our butts kicked over the last month of the season, and they’re going to learn a lot from it and be better ballplayers for it”; “We ran into some great pitching down the stretch”; “It’s just one of those things” ; “I’m proud of the club. We battled today. The ball that Pence hit, you couldn’t throw it or place it any better. And they got the win. It’s a good club over there”
Does anyone get pis*ed off at any of this?? The south is so freeeeeeekin SOFT!
September 30th, 201111:31 am
For all those who think that releasing or “dumping” Chipper would save money, what are you smoking? Chipper has a contract for next year (as does Wren and Fredi, both signed through 2013, so do you really think management wants to pay people for the next two years to sit at home?). We owe him $13 million for next year, so unless Chipper decides to retire and fork over some of it, it is owed to him. So yes, it IS Chipper’s decision.
As for real savings for next year, here is some guarantee money the Braves have to play with–KK’s $6.667 million comes off, as does McLouth’s $6.5 million (Braves have to buy him out at $1.25 million or exercise an option to keep him at $10.65 million–what do YOU think?), Linebrink’s $5.5 million (White Sox paid $3.5 of that), and Sherrill’s $1.2 million. Other possibilities are Moylan, who made $2 million, is arb eligible and injured; Gonzo, who made $2.5 million and is a free agent; and Hinske, who made $1.35 (Braves have option to either renew him at $1.5 million or buy him out at $100,000). Another possibility is if the Braves could sweettalk another team into taking Lowe, since he is in the last year of his contract. If the Braves would agree to eat, say, $10 million, that would free the Braves up another $5 million and clear his roster spot. I don’t know what management is thinking, but to me the $15 million is a sunk cost, and if you can come back with some money AND give the team a better chance to win, it’s a deal worth doing. And I know what we all think of Lowe, but out of the other 29 teams, is there ONE team, ONE pitching coach, who thinks that he can solve Lowe and get him back to where he was, and that $5 million is worth a shot? Remember how Leo used to take older pitchers and work wonders with them. Would a Dave Duncan, or other such coach, see something and want to work with him? It’s certainly worth finding out, IMHO. Remember how Javy Vazquez did the second half with the Marlins after the Yankees gave him up for dead last year?
Should be interesting to see how things develop.
September 30th, 201111:34 am
Did W Jones just write: Another possibility is if the Braves could sweettalk another team into taking Lowe? LOL
September 30th, 201111:36 am
it’s hard to imagine all the boneheads that still think Chipper is so wonderful. Limited power, mediocre defense, no speed…….
September 30th, 201111:39 am
First off, let me say that FG should be fired along with LP. They are both in over their heads but it appears that we are going to be stuck with them for 2012. It is what it is!! On field changes i would like to see the club make are as follows: 1) Trade Jair Jurrjens-RHP and Martin Prado-3B to ChiSox for Carlos Quentin-RF and Brent Morel-3B. This would give us a RH power outfielder to compliment Dan Uggla in the lineup and a young 3B prospect to spell Chipper next year and take over for him in 2013. 2) Trade Jason Heyward-RF, Arodys Vizcaino-RHP and Tyler Pastornicky-SS to Cleveland for Asdrubal Cabrera-SS and a A-ball Outfield prospect. I know this appears to be overpayment for Cabrera but he is a great SS who plays great defense and hits for avg., power and can steal a few bases for you. He would solidify the SS position and also be a perfect #2 hitter behind Bourn. 3) Sign Coco Crisp-OF to play LF. He is a lifetime .275 hitter who has great speed(stole over 40 bases this year). 4) Trade or release Derek Lowe-RHP. We can only hope he has a good spring training and we are able to find some team(sucker) who will be willing to take him off our hands. Even then, we will probably have to eat 10M or more of his salary. If unable to trade him(likely), simply release him and move forward with one of our young guns. 2012 lineup would be as follows: 1. Michael Bourn-CF 2. Asdrubal Cabrera-SS 3. Freddie Freeman-1B 4. Carlos Quentin-RF 5. Brian McCann-C 6. Dan Uggla-2B 7. Chipper Jones-3B 8. Coco Crisp-LF. The starting rotation would be Hudson, Hanson, Beachy, Minor and Delgado or Teheran.
September 30th, 201111:40 am
Your #3 hitter should hit more HR than 18 and definitely drive in more than 70 EVERY year.
CHIPPER IS RUINING THE YOUTH MOVEMENT. Leadership? I hated his comments the last week. I really hated how he hung his head on the friggin bench all game long. Yeah, nice leadership.
YOU HAVE OVERSTAYED YOUR WELCOME!!! Go knock up another Hooters girl. Anybody notice how bad the Braves play once hunting season starts, also?
Go get in your stand, you overpriced chump.
September 30th, 201111:47 am
September 30th, 2011
Did W Jones just write: Another possibility is if the Braves could sweettalk another team into taking Lowe? LOL”
Yep. You never know til you try. It’s worth the effort to try. Never underestimate the ego of a “pitching genius”. How many ’scrap heap’ pitchers did Leo turn around? And I know it’s hard to believe, but if a team with some money thinks they can get a guy who will slot in as a 4th to 5th starter, give them 30 starts and 180-200 innings at somewhere around a 4.50 ERA, at somewhere around $5 million, there might be takers.
September 30th, 201111:56 am
No question that Chipper has been a truly great player but this is a BAD DEAL for the Braves. I would bet a bunch that his performance will decline next year and he will continue to have a rash of injuries. Chipper should retire and look forward to getting inducted into the HOF rather than ending his career on a sour note as an ineffective player. BUT….this decision on his part is all about the money.
The Abs Man
September 30th, 201111:58 am
More than astounding, Fredi keeps not only job for 2012, but zeros as Parrish and Snitker also remain.
Defines Braves’ organization as clueless plus totally insulting toward knowledgeable fans.
Of COURSE I will be back. Look at what a GREAT year this was for ME.
I hit my 450th home run. A few more years I might get to 500. Boy that would look good on the back of my baseball card.
At the start of the year, I was mad cuz Fredi made me take fielding practice and let other guys hit in MY spot in the batting order, but I got that straightened out. I told him this thing was about ME producing runs. I said nobody gets rbi’s or home runs taking infield practice. And sure enough, by the end of the year, I was back hitting third
Anyway. I had a great time this year.I really enjoyed the second half, where everyone paid lots of attention to me. I’d say something about my knee every so often and all the reporters would crowd around my locker and dote on me. And then if I mentioned it again the next day Fredi would let me take a few days off. It was great. I took the kids to the zoo and went roller skating with them.
Anyway, I gotta go. It’s hunting season. See you guys in February. I’m thinking I’m gonna play like two or three more years. I figure I can get my $14million next year and then $10million a year after that (see, the sacrifices I am willing to make for my team?) and that way I can get $34 million AND 500 home runs
Did I mention I’m headed off to go hunting?
It was a great year. Woulda been better if Bobby had been there. I wouldve got a few more days off. I wouldnt have had to waste my time practicing. And I woulda hit third all year. That mightve cost me a few home runs. I’d be really peeved if I ended up with like 498 home runs because of that. But maybe not cuz then I guess I could sign for another year and get another $8million or so. That’d be good money to take the kids to the zoo again
September 30th, 201112:05 pm
Lowe, Chipper about as washed-up albeit past-classers as punch-drunk boxer.
And every time saw Glavine in booth, recall he couldn’t bolt to Mets quicker than Usain Bolt for 3-years, $39 million.
Then pouted and stomped feet when Braves dropped him at end depriving mercenary another million.
September 30th, 201112:07 pm
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September 30th, 201112:12 pm
Why Chipper? You are looking and acting like a clone of Brett Favre and you know how that ended.
Chipper, do yo want to really destroy your legacy?
If Braves mangement were top notch and not second tier, you would not be allowed to come back.
September 30th, 201112:18 pm
“Chipper, do yo want to really destroy your legacy?”
Im the greatest switch hitter ever. I was the MAN on for a franchise that won 14 straight division titles. That’s the greatest achievement in the history of sports. Anyone that doesnt think so can kiss my behind. I was Bobby Cox’s favorite son. The fans should realize how lucky they were to be able to watch me play. If they dont, well then they can kiss my behind
Now excuse me, I gotta get going or I will miss some hunting time
September 30th, 201112:22 pm
Larry Jones! he is old even though the man thinks he can play but he is injured all the time…because of oldness he is done…maybe he can be backup yeah? he has to take pay cut.
September 30th, 201112:24 pm
I don’t have a problem with Chipper playing next season. At least restructure your contract so the team can use that money on somebody else. He does not deserve to be making 13 million next year.
“It’s a shame Chipper didn’t have this fire in his Belly for playing during his 1st 10 years in baseball.”
Dude, until 2001, I was making like nothing and there were other guys on the team stealing MY spotlight. How motivated would YOU be if they were only paying you $4million a year and if every day you had to deal with folks saying that Fred McGriff or Andres Galarraga was the star of the team? I mean in 1999 I was MVP and what did they do? Did they bow down to me? Did they pay me? No – $4million again in 2000. It’s a wonder I didnt tell them to kiss my behind and take a month off to take the kids to the circus
September 30th, 201112:26 pm
Chipper should not come back if he really wants the Braves to do well. The Braves can use his money to finally put a decent full time third baseman in place in addition to providing funds for another decent player for whatever position. There is no question of Chipper’s loyalty to the Braves but even he should be able to see that with his too often injuries, he disrupts the team as much as he helps.
September 30th, 201112:27 pm
“CHIPPER IF YOU CARED ANYTHING ABOUT THIS ORGANIZATION YOU WOULD RETIRE INSTEAD OF MILKING IT FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT”
Kiss my behind. Here I am, the greatest player in the hostory of this franchise, the main man during a run of 14 straight division titles, and you think I should just step aside and give up what I want?
Man, just plant a big ole kiss on Hoss’ MVP behind.
Gimme my shotgun. I’m goin huntin’
September 30th, 201112:34 pm
Why would someone so overpaid not play when so little is expected from him. Good bet he will be injured multiple times next year and his OBP will continue to drop. Should spend the money on other players.
September 30th, 201112:38 pm
“And don’t start with me about Chipper being a HOFer; he’s not”
I disagree. He is a future Hall of Famer. Not first ballot, but a HOFer.
He was one of the finest hitters of his generation and one of the better switch hitters of all time
I am not an admirer of the complete package that is Chipper Jones. I think he is an arrogant, entitled, selfish jerk who is an average fielder, a marginal base runner, and an absolute zero if not a negative as a leader. While in his prime he could carry a team for stretches, he never elevated his team.
But none of that changes the fact that he was a great hitter
A Hall of Fame caliber hitter
Chipper Jones is the Dominique Wilkins of baseball – a totally one dimensional player who was all-world at that one thing he could do well
September 30th, 201112:39 pm
Old man, washed up Chipper played only 126 games in 2011.
Brian McCann, who is 12 years younger than the old man played a whopping 128 games.
Ain’t facts a bitch?
September 30th, 201112:43 pm
I find it hilarious that the year David Wright won a Gold Glove at Third Base, Chipper Jones had FEWER errors. If Chipper had played for a NY team, he would have wone several gold gloves for his fielding prowess.
September 30th, 201112:46 pm
Do we want to see yet another player, Chipper, go out like Smoltz and Glavine? They both hung on too long and became degraded shadows of what they were in their prime, and became embarrassments in their attempts to clutch the glory for too long.
Players — Once the slide begins in your old age, for cryin’ out loud, step aside and be remembered for your excellency, and not taint it with an over-blown sense of your own value. Once people start shaking their heads slowly but respectfully you know you’re beginning to lose your fans. They respect who you’ve been, and so hold back. But when they start calling for you, even you, to call it quits what they are really asking is for you not to diminish who you have been to them.
Forever will I remember Smoltz and Glavine, not just for their shining careers in Atlanta, but also for their persistence in continuing to keep bodies and careers, that were clearly on artificial life-support, in the public’s eye. We shouldn’t have had to see that.
Chipper, Michael Bourn just said: “Win as a team, lose as a team.” Now, you may have a contract that allows you to stay on through next year. But you have the choice to help or hinder. We see the gimpy knees and your effort to run the bases. If you wait too long and insist on playing too much in your declining days, you just may go out as a liability, and with your head down — and our heads wagging in pity. If you are valuable in the clubhouse and can still contribute occasionally on the field, we can handle that. But please, for the legacy of your career, don’t demand or expect more than you can beneficially give. It’s OK to root and encourage, for the sake of the team, the young players who grew up wanting to be just like you.
In your sunset days, Chipper, show them how to exit the game.
September 30th, 201112:48 pm
“The past month epitomized the Chipper Jones era–all talk, no action”
Yup – Chipper had lots of words. He was always quick to point out what his teammates needed to be doing. He had advice and criticism for anyone and everyone from John Smoltz to Jason Heyward.
But leaders dont lead with words. They lead by example.
And there was Chipper – his team struggling to stay afloat and hold on to a rapidly dwindling wild card lead with a week to go in the season – leaving the team to be at the hospital for his kid to get elective surgery on the day before a scheduled off day
Family first they said. Sure, in the long run, the big picture, family first. But not in every single situation. I mean if that were the case, then the guy scheduled to start Game 7 of the World Series could decide the morning of the game that it was a nice day to take the kids to the zoo and just blow off the game
You are the face of the franchise. You are the supposed clubhouse leader. You’re making decent money. I know, ARod made more than twice as much this year and his stat line didnt match up to Chipper’s. But see if you cant overlook that blatant sign of disrespect for just a minute At that time of team crisis, you needed to be on the field. You needed to be there before during and after every game.
I know the Braves ok’d the absence two weeks prior. Heck, two weeks prior they probably figured it would be wrapped up and being the day beofre an off day it might be a day they’d rest Chipper anyway. Once they ok’d it, they couldnt rescind.
But Chipper had a choice. And when the moment came – nonemergent, non life threatening sitaution at home – crisis crunch time on the team where I’m the captain – he chose to bail on the team
That’s not a professional. That’s a dabbler.
They say it was ok with the rest of the team. If so, then there is the crux of the problem. There’s the example he set and that’s acceptable operating procedure in this organization
Dabblers dont win World Championships
The result we saw is what happens when dabblers face professionals at a time when it would be more comfortable and convenient to be somewhere else than playing baseball
There’s leadership by Chipper Jones
David Wright of the New York Mets made more than twice as many errors (21-9) as Jones and won the Gold Glove honor with a significantly lower fielding percentage (.954 to .971). Shows what playing in NY and being loved by ESPN will do for an inferior player!
September 30th, 201112:53 pm
“This team ran out of gas…get a better training regimen…and hitting coach”
Training regimen? Do you remember this past spring – when Chipper Jones was APPALLED at the idea of having to take infield practice?
And you think you’re gonna get these guys to do a training regimen?
Do you realize how uncomfortable that would be?
Let me ask you something? On a nice crisp October weekend, do you wanna be jogging, biking, and lifting until your muscles burn and your lungs are gonna explode before hitting the cage to hit a thousand and the diamond to field five hunred?
Or would you rather be chilling in a deer stand with a brewski and a Playboy?
September 30th, 201112:57 pm
“My oblique is always cranky, I have no right knee, my hip always bothers me, I have painful bunions, and my post-PED’s body is a wreck”
Again – I am hardly a big Chipper fan – but I believe he never did PED’s
I’m not saying that because I’m a “homer”
I’m saying it because he did not show the physical changes and did not have the ridiculous statistical surge that was the telltale
He had the expected career trajectory – with reasonable highs. He wasnt a guy who couldnt hit A-ball pitching suddenly hitting 35 dingers anf hitting .300 like Bret Boone
September 30th, 20111:00 pm
Just based on statistics of 2011 3rd basemen, Chipper is 5th in BA, OBP,and slugging, and 2nd defensively in fielding percentage.
So, could you do a little better seeing that 4 3rd basemen ranked above him in one category or another? Maybe. If you are willing to run off someone who spent his entire career with the Braves.
Like him or not, the vast majority of MLB teams do not have a better 3rd baseman.
Likewise, most MLB teams did more poorly than the Braves.
But I agree. If we don’t win the WS every stinking year. Fire all the coaches and the whole team and start over. After all, we are the best fans. Why should we not have the best team every year.
September 30th, 20111:04 pm
I agree that Martin Prado is a utility man. I also feel that Chipper Jones is a PT starter at best. I have nothing against Chipper. I am a fan of his and have been for years. I just think the injuries have limited him to being a shell of the player he once was. Shortstop is a great concern as well. Alex Gonzalez ended up with a decent number of home runs and fields the ball well but it seems to be a feast or famine situation with him offensively. Atlanta needs players who are consistent hitters who do the small things. Things like bunting players over, stealing bases, hitting the sacrifice fly and getting clutch hits. The starting rotation ended up being obliterated due to injury and caused the bullpen to be even more overused that it already was. Scott Linebrink and George Sherrill should be allowed to walk. Linebrink was the spark to a good number of rallies this season and Sherrill just gives an uneasy feeling when he pitches. Kris Medlen could fill the Linebrink role nicely. I really hated to see Peter Moylan go down to another injury. He could have been key. I hope that Atlanta begins to develop some durability out of its starters and allows them to pitch a little longer thus saving the bullpen for the stretch run and playoffs a little more. 70 relief appearances seems to be a healthy number. 85 appearances is just WAY too much. This bullpen will see more and more pitchers blow out their arms if it doesn’t stop. Derek Lowe needs to do the right thing and the graceful thing and retire. He is done. He is killing the Braves. I hope to see Tommy Hanson and Jair Jurrjens come back healthy. Jurrjens was injured practically the whole season though he pitched well early. Brandon Beachy can be REALLY good. I hope the young guns like Mike Minor, Randall Delgado and Julio Teheran get more than a look. I also think that it’s time for Atlanta to begin to look really deep at the organization. It’s like they’re resting on the laurels of a special run in the 90’s and that is way beyond history. The Boston Red Sox had the same collapse as the Braves and they have done the hard thing. They have begun a change in leadership. Terry Francona is gone. Atlanta needs to shake it up. They need to shake it up in the front office, among the coaching staff and on the field.
September 30th, 20111:09 pm
Slipper will try and squeeze out 2-3 more seasons..
Hey were the Hooters Women at?
September 30th, 20111:10 pm
“chipper was an all star this year and was the most clutch player this year”
Poll time. Which was Chipper’s most clutch moment down the stretch this past September
A – Losing a chopper in the lights with two outs in the ninth, ultimately costing the Braves a game
B – Two on one out in the eight inning of Game 161, Braves down 4-2, when Chipper grounds into the first double play Brandon Lidge had gotten all season
C – Late innings of game 162. Leading off the 8th, strikeout. Bottom of the 10th – drive to the warning track. Bottom of the 13th – down 4-3 – facing elimination, if you ever get wanna get the leadoff man on base some way some how now is the time – another strikeout
D – Sept 21 – After taking the day off Chipper makes a huge personal sacrifice and gets to the ball park in time to pinch hit in a Braves loss to the Marlins
For me it’s a tossup between C and D. I mean, one the one hand you see the total dedication – that “all hands on deck” mentality he preached while on the other you just have three clutch performances in a single game
September 30th, 20111:16 pm
“But none of that changes the fact that he was a great hitter
Chipper Jones is the Dominique Wilkins of baseball – a totally one dimensional player who was all-world at that one thing he could do well”
One thing about Slipper he sure knew how to disappear in crunch time over the past 16 seasons..
Look at how many big series he and his teams folded in? It’s beyond a pattern.. Hugh???
September 30th, 20111:20 pm
Plus he disappeared in those two WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIPS!! Overrated….Mr clutch he is not nor ever was?
Slipper is going to try and play at least 3 more years.. He’s like that Boxer that cant quit as long as some dope continues to throw him millions!
Cant say I blame him…shoot….
September 30th, 20111:22 pm
“Just based on statistics of 2011 3rd basemen, Chipper is 5th in BA, OBP,and slugging, and 2nd defensively in fielding percentage”
As you point out, his stats werent bad. In fact they were quite good.
They werent $14 million dollar stats – but that isnt even really the issue if you ask me. His production was better value for the dollar than Derek Lowe’s was.
Side note. Yes his production was also far better than ARod’s. A – $30 million is less to the Yankees than $14 million is to the Braves and B – I dont care if the Yankees waste money – this is about the Braves not the Yankees – bottom line dont defend keeping Chipper to me by citing what some other team did with THEIR overpaid player
But it’s not about the stats – or the relatively poor value for the money
The real problem is that Chipper is toxic to this team
He makes it all about him – and the team follows – He talks big leadership, but the example he sets is horrible leadership. The team yields to him – they step back and wait for him to be the man on the field and they follow the example he sets (not the example he talks about)
People said Fredi was just like Bobby. That’s wrong. The residual Booby Cox factor on this team isnt Fredi G. It’s Chipper Jones.
It needs to be purged, or at least silenced
I have no problem with Chipper PLAYING next year. But he needs to suit up, shut up, decide his priorities (hey, if it’s ALWAYS family that’s his preroagtive, but then it’s time to retire)and let someone else lead and set the examples on this team
Someone needs to get Roger Dorn into line
September 30th, 20111:23 pm
I realize that you can’t reason with the unreasonable, but here goes. All of you idiots who keep saying that Chipper should “do the right thing for the team” and “retire.” Would you walk away from a job and leave that kind of money on the table? Especially if, several years earlier, you had taken less money than you could have made at another job, with the understanding that your company would make up for it later? Would you simply turn down that money? I didn’t think so. So stop demanding that Chipper do it, hypocrites.
September 30th, 20111:25 pm
“Look at how many big series he and his teams folded in?”
They were taught that it was a crapshoot. They were taught that the regular season was what mattered and that division titles were an accomplishment
Besides – it’s tough to play in October. It’s cold and dark and you’ve been at it seven and a half months and you hurt and ache and you really miss your family
They folded because the playoffs are a situation where dabblers arent gonna make it.
September 30th, 20111:28 pm
Slipper, 5 ko’s in crunch/time, money ball time!!!!!!!!
Stats are good, but its about Rings, its about crunch time my Grasshopper!
September 30th, 20111:30 pm
“All of you idiots who keep saying that Chipper should “do the right thing for the team” and “retire.” Would you walk away from a job and leave that kind of money on the table? Especially if, several years earlier, you had taken less money than you could have made at another job”
Ok – but stop being a hypocrite. Quit talking about the team and about ladership. Come out and say it. It’s about ME. I have a chance to make big bucks and to see my name in lights and in the big man spot in the batting order. I’m gonna play next year and I expect them to shine my shoes and kiss my behind like they always have. And my minions, I mean, teammates, better be ready to bow and courtsey and hide their eyes when I start spewing about all hands on deck.
By the way, next year, I might make the “all hands on deck” call from home. I might be taking a day off to take the wife to a concert in the park
September 30th, 20111:33 pm
Bite me, I’m taking the 14 mill and phoning it in again.
I need enough ho money to keep me going till my pecker falls off.
Screw the Braves.
September 30th, 20111:47 pm
wow it just keeps getting worse and worse
braves fan forever
September 30th, 20111:50 pm
Well first of all I am a Chipper fan.I am glad he is coming back next year.Second I really think they need to put Martin Prado on the trading block and see whats available for him.Third if Bmac is still having problems with his back then lets get him healthy,but even healthy he is a great hitter,but below average defensively too many pass balls and too many stolen bases and when he came back called way to many bad pitches.I hope it is just his back maybe bothering him.Heyward is a puzzle.I think he might need to get his eyes checked.Larry parrish need s to give his salary back.He didn’t earn a penny of it as well as Fredi G.Lowe pitched like he wanted out of atlanta so let him leave.KK an Mclouth are gone maybe send alex gonzalez too.Hinske looked like he put on 30 pounds and maybe we need him to go.I do love the way kris medlen pitched he can replace lowe.Oh and one other person who need to go LINEBRINK.
September 30th, 20112:20 pm
“Heyward is a puzzle”
It’s no mystery what’s wrong with Heyward. Heyward was doing just fine until he listened to Bobby Cox’s idiotic hee-hawings about him being too patient at the plate – after that he started hacking at everything and since then he’s a .220 hitter
The puzzle is how to solve it. I’d hypnotize the kid and try to erase from his mind every memory of Cox – try to make it as if he had never met the donkey – er, man
September 30th, 20112:22 pm
Liberty Media can’t afford Chipper and whatever it takes to win? Well, I guess the Braves are just f– ked.
September 30th, 20112:23 pm
ole boys club have to be some of the biggest underachievers in the history of professional sports..
Wait till next year
September 30th, 20113:17 pm
“Jones said the team’s September collapse would have no bearing on his decision.”
Well how about your knees, and the bone on bone situation that caused you to have no range, and limited movement during the Philly series?
Will that do it?
September 30th, 20113:20 pm
““I’ve committed to playing next year,” he said. “I won’t commit past that; let’s put it that way.”
I sure hope not. We appreciate what you’ve done over the years, but it’s time to ride off into the sunset. Don’t do like Glavine and Smoltz, and stay too long, and have your last year be comedic material, and be forced out.
September 30th, 20113:53 pm
The difference with Atl and winning teams, yes Boston. Is they won 2 WS in the past 10 yrs yet still fire their manager and coaching staff. What the hell did Fredi G. do to earn another shot? Yes Line of bricks and Sherill and D down Lowe should be shot, wait a minute ATl owes Lowe way too much, put him back in the PEN! The Braves will be fine with the rotation of Hudson, Hanson,JJ, Tehran, Delgado and Lowe eating innings and saving the super talented and thanks to Fredi burnt out BP. Thats what the NEW Braves mngr should do if ATL is even gonna be a 500 team. Shame. Bourne, Uggla,McCann, Prado and our ROTY have to play for this lack of mngmnt. Braves season ticket holders are iriots.
September 30th, 20114:20 pm
“Only 46 homeruns til Chipper reaches 500…………………..”
That’ll take 3 more year at least.
Chipper Jones Must Stay
September 30th, 20114:28 pm
Wow didnt realize we had this many idiots in Atlanta. Did you not watch him play when he came back from his mid season knee surgery????? Hits 305 in last 42 games. He is one of the best hitters we have and will be again next year. He is a distraction for the pitchers knowing he is in the line up. Seriously people either stop commenting or get a fricken clue.
Anyone on here saying fire freddi or force chip to retire, YOU ARE ALL RETARDS AND KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL. Which applies to FL dawg, Jay dubu just to name a few idiots.
Do us real fans that actually know things about baseball a favor and go play in traffic or go eat paste since thats what morons like you people do.
Chipper is the face of this team, the hardest worker, great mentor to the young guys, a force in the lineup healthy or not.
Those of you saying look at his salary for next year of course he is coming back… You are the king of all idiots. Chipper plays bc he loves the game, he doesnt care about the money, he has made enough that he doesnt need it. and in fact he has said that everytime he is questioned on his salary being a factor. Get you heads out your assss and stop pretending to know anything about this sport.
And FL Dawg, us season ticket holders are the real braves fans unlike you. We go out and support our team every game while ppl like you piss and moan from your couch. The team specifically stated they hoped for sell out crowds for the philly series to help get them pumped up, not 1 sell out for the series. I was at all 3. Fans dont show up= lack of motivation. Big crowds= pumped up players. so like I said your an idiot.
ONCE AGAIN ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE SAYING FIRE FREDDI, RETIRE CHIPPER, CHIPPER ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY………. YOU ARE ALL MORONS.. PLEASE STOP POSTING SO REAL FANS CAN CHAT.
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