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Cornjolio
September 29th, 2011
1:08 pm
Gumby,
Retiring at age 36, Mickey Mantle hit .298, hit 536 homers, 1509 rbi’s, played in 20 AllStar games, 3 MVP Awards, won the Triple Crown in 1956, had 7 World Series Championship rings, and was selected to the MLB All Century team.
Chipper Jones has had a solid career, but he will never, ever be mentioned in the same breath as Mickey Mantle.
Let the facts speak for themselves.
Lobosolo
September 29th, 2011
1:08 pm
Nothing to see here… You know less about me than you do about baseball, and your grammar isn’t too good, either… Not one of you sobsters can claim to “love” this team when y’all talk about them the way you do… What an a-wipe… Give it up, man… you don’t know your behind from third base…
Mr. Met
September 29th, 2011
1:08 pm
I must say I loved watching the Braves lose last night like a bunch of suckers in front of all 5 of the Brave fans that exist. WOOOOOO! Braves Suck!!!
Lets Go Mets!!!
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
1:09 pm
this blog gets funnier all the time. am i the only sober one here? you clowns keep forgetting that IT’S JUST A FREAKIN’ KIDS’ GAME PLAYED BY OVERPAID PRIMADONNAS WHO DON’T CARE IF YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT AS LONG AS THEY GET PAID!!! YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
Braint
September 29th, 2011
1:12 pm
Love how people want to package JJ or Hanson for a Kemp like player. Hello? JJ and Hanson have the “injured often” label. Who is going to give up A+ talent for pitchers who can’t make it through a season?
Sean
September 29th, 2011
1:13 pm
Yeah, Dr. Phil over here.
The Braves have done plenty wrong, Fredi has been disappointing, but not for the most part. This team won 89 games and was STILL in the race even after a terrible September. I’m glad for that. However, they underachieved. Heyward hit terribly, Uggla’s average tanked of course, Prado underachieved. We had no lead-off hitter for the first part of the season. We then had a September for the ages…a wildcard blow up that will be talked about on ESPN for awhile.
And yet winning 89 games in a manager’s first season, with the injuries, the young guys, the inconsistencies. Wow.
Mickey Mantle
September 29th, 2011
1:19 pm
All you complainers go to this site, http://www.atlantamsbl.com and join a team for next year. Then you can show us all your great your baseball skills. Don’t worry it is grouped by age up to 55+. Weekdays or weekends. Then you won’t have to remember how great you were, you’ll see how hard it is.
PaulCrieder
September 29th, 2011
1:21 pm
Its amazing how back in 1995 when the Braves won the world series, people were saying how great Chpper Jones was, since he had just helped the Braves team win their first and only world title. Now 16 years later after chipper completed the biggest choke job in baseball history, folks are calling for chippers release and retirement and attempting to have chipper run out of town on a rail. LISTEN PEOPLE, CALM DOWN. CHIPPER IS A FIRST BALL HALL OF FAMER AND WILL DEFINITELY BE ENSRINED IN COOPERSTOWN AFTER HIS YEARS OF ELIGIBILITY AFTER HIS PLAYING DAYS ARE OVER. My suggestion is go down and visit cooperstown after Chipper gets enshrined and vent your frustrations in the halls of fame, where you are certain to find chipper jones’ memorabillia and all of his great accomplishments following his CERTAIN ENSHRINEMENT.
Braves Dave
September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm
I am a HUGE Braves fan and have been for over 40 years now. I went to my first game in 1967 as a child. I’ve suffered through many years and been THRILLED to see the success of the 90’s and early 2000’s. I am not however a Fredi Gonzalez fan. He seems to be complacent, emotionally withdrawn and not at all upset over what was a MONUMENTAL and HISTORICAL collapse. This could easily carry-over to next season and beyond in my opinion. Give Ned Yost a phone call, pronto. Fredi is a 3B coach and nothing more. Go BRAVES in 2012!
Jim
September 29th, 2011
1:34 pm
Very sad ending–very disappointed in the veterans and the manager. That being said, this team is going to be very good for years to come. Kawakame and McClouth off the payroll this year—Chipper (hopefully) and lowe (for sure ) next year. They are loaded with quality young pitchers 26 and under—Hanson, JJ, Kimbrel, Venters, Madlen, Beachy, Minor, Delgado, Teharan, and Viscaiano. Need an outfielder and a shortstop, which you would think they could get based on above assets.
Cornjolio
September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm
PaulCrieder,
Chipper was not a significant factor in the 1995 season.
Where is this revisionist history coming from?
shan
September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm
the season was great…the loss painful. I will say this…I love Kimbrell…he is the best closer I have ever seen…he gave it his all, but didnt get the calls in the end…what I can say is that the team did not seem to be inspired…that comes top down! I feel so strongely that Gonzales doesnt have it in him to inspire…havent seen it all season! Think of all the times this season he should have challenged bad calls…but NOTHING! We were still winning at that point and we ALL overlooked it! But I wonder if he has it in him to inspire when he doesnt seem to be!
Sean
September 29th, 2011
1:41 pm
Chipper’s coming back next year, Jim. Alex Gonzalez is an incredible defensive shortstop, let’s keep him too.
And Cornjolio, he WAS a significant factor in 1995. Played in 140 games and hit 23 HRs and 86 RBIs with a .265. Finished second in the ROY voting. Not the top player that year…but dang close. He WAS a factor. In 1996, just a year later, he hit 30 HRs and had 110 RBI’s with a .309 average, the Braves went to the World Series and lost.
Chipper is a Braves great, and a HOF player.
reckingball
September 29th, 2011
1:41 pm
Just wait until next year, they will do a lot better.
RICH
September 29th, 2011
1:41 pm
ITS AMAZING EVERYBODY HATES WINNERS.THAT WHY EVERYBODY LOVES THE ATLANTA BRAVES.LOSERS AGAIN.HAHAHAHAHAH ……..GO BRAVES TAKE YHE DAMN FALCONS WITH YA
PaulCrieder
September 29th, 2011
1:43 pm
Cornjolio: YOU ARE AN UNGRATEFUL FAN. i beg to differ. Im sure in 1995 the year the Braves won it all, chipper hit 30+ home runs and drove in over 100 rbis, scored over 100 runs and hit over .300. Chipper did that for over 10 years in a row. When was the last time someone did that? I think chipper is the ONLY player in major league history to accomplish that feat. Yet people are headhunting for chipper today and trying to minize his illistrious and glorious career and accomplishments. CHIPPER WILL SOON BE A HALL OF FAMER SO MAYBE AFTER CHIPPER IS INDUCTED INTO THE HOF, YOU CAN LOBBY TO HAVE HIM REMOVED.
John
September 29th, 2011
1:43 pm
Will you retire now Jones. Let a young player come up. You are pitiful..
LuisG
September 29th, 2011
1:44 pm
How about FIRED Gonzalez instead of FREDI Gonzalez?
Sean
September 29th, 2011
1:47 pm
I daresay Chipper’s stats echo someone’s who played a huge role in the Braves season this year…Freddie Freeman. .270 or so, 20HRs or so, 80-some RBI’s.
InnocentBystander
September 29th, 2011
1:48 pm
John: What are you talking about. Chipper shouldnt retire. Chipper’s salary should be DOUBLED from what it was this season. Chipper made $15 mil this year and next year he should make $30 million for what he has done throughout his career. Michael Jordan was paid like that in basketball and Chipper has had MORE OF AN IMPACT ON THE BRAVES IN BASEBALL than the impact Jordan made in basketball.
JAFO
September 29th, 2011
1:49 pm
AMEN afan.
Colobrvslifer
September 29th, 2011
1:50 pm
I’ve been a Braves fan for 55 years, since I was 7, through good times and bad, and I’ve seen the umps make a lot of bad calls. It seems that no one is acknowledging that last nights call at 3rd on Bourn’s attempted steal was a truly awful thing. If he had been called safe (which the replays show he clearly was), then the score would have been Brave 4, Phillies 1 after Uggla’s homer. That means the score at the end of the Phils last regular at bat would have been Braves 4, Phillies 3, and there would have been no extra innings and no Linebrink. We would be playing in St Louis today. It just seems like a lousy way to end a whole season as a result of one missed call!
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
1:52 pm
I’VE BEEN A BRAVES’ FAN SINCE ‘57 WHEN THEY BEAT THE HATED YANKS SO I CAN SAY THIS. noone has given attaboys to this phillies’ team. they are good, really, really good. every one of their starters, besides being good at what they do, are real pros. they hustle on every play, they work at their trade. they were good before pence and he fit in, the missing ingredient. they beat the braves at every position and, not counting starting pitchers, are better. i think of roy halliday’s work ethic and compare it to derrick lowe’s… i see hunter pence’s hustle and compare it to gonzales’. i see the fire in the eyes or worley and compare it to beachy. look at the bench comparison; hinske(fat and sassy and done), conrad (never was much) etal. the phils have a bench that could start for most teams. the yanks are good but i’ll be rootin’ for the nl(hate the dh). love the snakes and gibby and the hustle and how maddon has brought his team around but, as a lover of baseball, i’m gonna root for the phils. they play the game the right way AND SCREW THEIR ARROGANT FANS!!!
Philly Phanatic
September 29th, 2011
1:55 pm
Couldn’t have happened to the biggest homey announcer I’ve ever had the displeasure of listening to. I live in N’Ville and MLB channel bocks out Brave games for whatever reason so as glad as I was when comcast picked up Sports South and the fox station that would at times have the Braves and sometimes the Reds, the Braves were on every night. If you listen closely I believe the only two people on the planet who think tha Braves are better than the Phillies are Chipper, who leads by conceit and Homer Simson, absolute worlds worst announcer when it come to following the Braves. I saw his career stats so I often wonder what does he bring to the dance as far as being a semi unbiased announcer with his expetise anaylization as it applies to give the other team a compliment when deserved he has silly little anecdotes as to why such and such went against the Braves vs. the other team is out of your league as is the case of the Phillies. The heck with replacing the manager, he had to overuse the relievers or you wouldn’t have been close. You need for Chipper to go home to Jacksonville and be the redneck he is and get rid of Homer Simpson the oldest Braves groupie on the planet.
Sean
September 29th, 2011
1:56 pm
Yeah, when you have a payroll that far exceeds ours, you can be good. Phillies do. They are a good team. Better players are higher priced, and will the trend is not true every season (WS champs come from all different types of payrolls), the teams that are good every year–Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies, to name a few–have high payrolls. Braves are much lower than the Phillies. We competed with them this year, and I’m proud of that because they’re a good team.
Braves Dave
September 29th, 2011
2:01 pm
CCRider? I DESPISE the Phillies but you’re right, they are a helluva’ good baseball team. Great pitching, timely hitting and they EXCEL AT THE FUNDAMENTALS. Thank goodness they’re graying around the edges. I couldn’t stand 5 more years of them dominating. GO BRAVES!
JAFO
September 29th, 2011
2:01 pm
The Phils are 15-3 vs the Braves the last two Sept. That is not competing. That’s domination. We can’t worry about them, we have to fix THIS house first.
Phillyfan4ever
September 29th, 2011
2:02 pm
@ Dammed Philly Yankee : Charlie would not have pitched to Hunter Pence. Gonzales made that dick-hesd decision
Bob
September 29th, 2011
2:02 pm
Fredi G. will be a great MLB manager someday but for now he needs to learn this from the 2011 season: There’s little point in keeping your powder dry when the ship is sinking in a storm.
is this joke?
September 29th, 2011
2:04 pm
http://twitter.com/#!/ajcbraves
Seriously!? Fredi says he will bring back the entire coaching staff! NO! This is unacceptable! Someone has to have accountability for this nightmarish season and it begins with the manager! Parrish for sure has to go! He should have been gone by the all star break at the latest!
SW
September 29th, 2011
2:05 pm
I’m going to miss these articles for the next 6 months. Thanks, DOB looking forward to ST 2012.
JAFO
September 29th, 2011
2:07 pm
Linebrink should have been LAST on the list right before ross as a pitching option. He should not have even been on the roster. Abject stupidity on the part of fg.
Hy Ronatt
September 29th, 2011
2:10 pm
“we’ll just go back out there and try again tomorrow”.
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:10 pm
SEAN, QUIT THE EXCUSES!!! WHAT ABOUT ABOUT THE TAMPA AND ARIZONA PAYROLLS? LESS THAN ATLANTA’S. WHAT YOU SPEND ON WHAT TYPE OF PLAYER MATTERS. UGGLA, NOT ENOUGH VALUE, CRAWFORD, NOT ENOUGH VALUE. HUNTER PENCE – WOW!!! MAYBE WREN AND HIS “BRAINTRUST” NEEDS TO GO. GET SOME PLAYERS WHO WANT TO WIN AND I’M NOT REAL SURE BOURN’S ON OF THEM.
Isn't It Obvious?
September 29th, 2011
2:11 pm
Freddi must go. That’s all I’m going to say.
Strikeoutlookin
September 29th, 2011
2:11 pm
I swear some of you losers pray for us to lose just so you can get on here and type I told you so…. Your idiots.. Did you really expect to make the playoffs with a rotation that had 4 rookies in it?!? Hanson and JJ have not pitched in 2 months and have not pitched effectively in 3! We made it to the last game AND battled our asses off with a rookie 1b, a rookie closer, a RF who played like a lost rookie, and 4 kids under 22 pitching MAJOR innings as starters with zero experience at the major league level, and MINIMAL experience at the minor league level’ barely ANY of that above AA.. If your going to be a fair weather fan, go bitch somewhere else.. I love this team, I’m proud of this team, and this TEAM is going to bounce back and be unreal the next few years.. So please get it out now, because I don’t want to hear you ignorant FANS cheering next year…
Strikeoutlookin
September 29th, 2011
2:12 pm
People complaining are probably the same people who live in Atlanta and watched the game on tv….losers.
Big Wally
September 29th, 2011
2:12 pm
We will have the same ineptitude next year. Fredi-cat will keep mismanaging the team, blow out the bullpen by August, keep throwing Blowe out there every 5th day. Chipper, McCant, Uggla, and K-ward will keep trying to pull low outside pitches, that results in weak groundballs (double plays) and Wren will get us more useless, washed up talent from Pittsburgh.
Chipper Jones
September 29th, 2011
2:13 pm
Here in Braves’ Country I’m a living legend. From the little leaguers that yell my name to the babes sunning in the bleachers flashing their **** to the grandmothers that name their cats after me.
Yeah, retiring will be hard but I’ll be back in 2012, 2013 and however long I want to continue my hall of fame career as long as I have delusional fans like Gumby and PaulCrieder coming to my defense and singing my praises.
Win or lose, just keep those ridiculous, big paychecks coming. The cattle on my ranch gotta eat.
SUCKERS !
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:15 pm
Yeah, lets let Bourn get away, and re-sign McLouth for CF.
Big Wally
September 29th, 2011
2:17 pm
This is blog for those of you who are uninformed. There is where people come to vent. If you are content with ineptitude and incompetence, then great for you. The rest of us have a problem being part of history of a team that choked away one of the biggest leads in the history of baseball.
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:23 pm
BIG WALLY; WHO REALLY CARES WHAT YOU THINK? it’s just a game.
Felix
September 29th, 2011
2:24 pm
Hey Dave: This was a monumental breakdown. So I don’t want to read comments from this bunch of losers.
Big Wally
September 29th, 2011
2:29 pm
Great response sleazyrider, now go back to your room and let the grown up’s talk now.
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:30 pm
felix log off and don’t read them PROBLEM SOLVED
Maria
September 29th, 2011
2:31 pm
A guy just posted on the Braves site on Facebook that all of the coaches are returning next season. What the hell is the front office thinking? This was the worst hitting team in the major leagues and Larry Parrish gets to keep his job? Are you serious? Why should Braves fans even support this team anymore when the management does not care to make changes?
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:37 pm
WALLY haven’t heard anything interesting from you – oops somebody else’s is using ccrider – did not post
September 29th, 2011
2:15 pm
Yeah, lets let Bourn get away, and re-sign McLouth for CF.
is that the way this blog works? use someone else’s handle? that was not my post. could it be you BIG WALLY?
JJ
September 29th, 2011
2:40 pm
Boy this blog is hot.I would like to thank The Braves for a exciting summer and make a few suggestions.The first thing I hope Freddi become The Manager next year and stop trying to be Bobby Cox.I hope Chipper take a buy-out,but if he don’t I hope he shut his mouth and let Freddi manage his Team.I also hope Jason get with a hitting coach during the off season and try something different if he wants to be a PLAYER.I hope Prado is treated better than Escabor and not traded because he wasn’t the Star he was last year.As for our young pitchers,I hope they take some long vacations and remember the joy they had playing baseball this year.I hope Mac gets in better shape,again I hope we buy Chipper out because if he has BONE on BONE knee problems he is through.I know,I have been through it and have an artificial knee.I like this TEAM and as for D-Lowe,I hope he retires or spend the summer in AA like KK did this year.Freddi,this is your TEAM and with the talent that you have and with the MONY that could be avalable if Chip and Lowe do the right thing you could be dangerous next year.Take charge Freddi.You have honored Bobby,but it is time to move on.GO BRAVES
Frank Shab PA
September 29th, 2011
2:40 pm
Braves Nation , face it, the Braves are not clutch hitters as currently composed.They put togther nice numbers till it’s crunch time and they can’t execute.
Look at Melky Cabrera, last year he stunk up the place here. This year with KC 21 homers, batting over .300 with 22 stolen bases. Why? because in KC no pressure. Same thing here with the Braves.
This is from a Braves fan over 52 years (Milwaukee then) living in the middle of Philly Land Scranton/Wilkes-Barre PA
Philly Phanatic
September 29th, 2011
2:40 pm
I’ve read a couple of Cardinals will kill the Phillies. Right now it’s far and away the highest odds for an underdog. It’s basically 2.5-1 for all who want to bet with your heart and not your head. Bet a dime on Cards and pick up $2,500, I dare you. Afterall, these jerks destroyed our playoff chances. Wait a minute there is another scenario nobody thought of. It just may have been you who blew your playoff shot. What a novel thought.
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:41 pm
it was, wasn’t it? gotcha.
Big Wally
September 29th, 2011
2:42 pm
It’s not me. You must have an evil twin.
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:43 pm
ah wally, you’re so transparent
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:44 pm
why can’t we be friends?
Big Wally
September 29th, 2011
2:44 pm
Maybe you have split personalities.
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
2:45 pm
this has stopped being fun – see ya
Ron The Baptist
September 29th, 2011
2:46 pm
THEY CHOKED!!!!Plain and simple.Fire Parrish, Package Prado, Heyward, and Jurjens and get a legitimate Left and right Fielders and get somebody who can hit behind Bourne and work as a compliment, not a deterent. This TEAM needs a shakeup, starting with some of these so called COACHES
GoBraves!
September 29th, 2011
2:47 pm
It’s tough to swallow but it wasn’t meant to be. I respect Phillies for playing like that game meant something to them instead of letting the Braves in. They fought but wasn’t enough.
Looking on the bright side, Chipper had another stellar season even though he’s slowly regressing and couldn’t be healthy all season long. It’s amazing the guy never had OPS below .800 in 17 years. He’s more than welcome to come back another year to go for it again. O’Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrel all had a sensational season. Even if they were out of gas at the end, they were the best bullpen trio in the Majors. Freeman had a great rookie campaign. He’d easily win ROY if it wasn’t for Kimbrel. He could improve even more next year. Uggla had a rough start but he was able to turn it around. He could start strong next year and go for 40+ hrs. Finally, rookie pitchers all chipped in. They’re still too young but it could only help them in the future.
The future’s bright. If they can find a decent 3B to back up Chipper when he’s not feeling well and find a big outfield bat, they should be set to play deep in October. Of course, health will always be the key. Go Braves!
The teacher
September 29th, 2011
2:52 pm
Why didn’t anyone ask Heyward about the ball he lost in the lights? It would seem to me if we are going to make a defensive replacement in RF – for Diaz, that we would have put in the faster and better outfielder Constanza.
PaulCrieder
September 29th, 2011
3:01 pm
The Braves GM made a lot of mistakes during last years off-season. He should have never gotten rid of Milky Cabrerra, Mark Texiera, Jermaine Dye, Kevin Millwood, Gary Sheffield, Yunel Escobar, etc. the list goes on and on. You could start an all-star team with the guys that were tossed out. THE ONE GUY WHO HAS AVOIDED CRITICISM HAS BEEN JAYSON HEYWARD. What happened to him this year, after having virtually a rookie-of-the-year season last year. OK there is enough blame to go around.
Jose Constanza
September 29th, 2011
3:02 pm
When I play I hit and we win. When I sit on bench we lose.
I just don’t understand. Me & Michael Bourn were scaring the pitchers when we played together. I get benched so a .220 hitter can play and strike out and fu*k up in the outfield.
Choices
September 29th, 2011
3:10 pm
Chipper should have said IM DONE. I cant stay healthy and my knees are shot. I will be on the bench more then playing but instead he says ITS ABOUT THE MONEY AND I CAN KEEP THE BRAVES DOWN 1 MORE YEAR.
Dan Ugla should have said, I signed for 4 more years, WHAT WAS I THINKING!
Michael Bourn had the right to say I DID MY JOB BUT NOBODY ELSE DID. WHERES THE TEAM HERE.
jim
September 29th, 2011
3:16 pm
The Jim with the uppercase J is not me and has a different assessment of what needs to be done.
I think that an honest assessment says that we lost the last 5 games because the other teams were better! The core of this team — Chipper, Uggla, Mac, and Prado — may have individual qualities, but form a flawed nucleus. Prado and Uggla are free swingers who give away too many ABs. Chipper’s bat has slowed a bit with age and he has become a guess hitter who is very vulnerable to off-speed pitches. He is a nice complimentary player, but is no longer the “straw that stirs the drink” and his presence and contract prevent the team from moving on. Mac has tailed off considerably in the 2nd half of the season for the 2nd year in a row, is not a strong defender, might have vision problems, and is fast approaching the age when catchers start to decline. All but 3 of the runs in the last 5 games were the result of HRs (all but one solo). Game-after-game the opposing pitcher, be he Cliff Lee or Ross Detweiler, went quickly through the lineup with the minimum number of pitches. We rarely go to the bullpen until the 7th or 8th innning and we were facing their setup guy and closer. I feel that believing this team is a legitimate title contender with a patch here or there is a mistake. I am far from ready to declare Heyward a complete bust and either get rid of him or relegate him to a bench role, therefore if the core 4 are left in tack, the only spot that is available to upgrade is SS. Our 2 best position-player prospects play this position. I would love to see the Braves build for 2013 around a new core of Freeman, Heyward, Bourn, the kid pitchers, and the big 3 in the pen. Fredi is not a great manager, but if I were Wren, I would make a clean break with the recent past, bring in a new staff, and try to move Prado, Uggla, and Mac for younger, more disciplined hitters to add to the younger core and create a new team identity.
Braves done, yes they are
September 29th, 2011
3:22 pm
Jason Heyward will end up being a super player but it wont be with the braves. Why you might ask? The guy is a 5 tool player on a team who has want a be managers and coaches. Do you ever wonder why no matter who the player is, they come to Atlanta and forget how to play, but once they leave they find it again. It happens over and over. The braves dont have the right people in place to manage a rookie who is in a slump and so he gets advise from everyone and starts to put everyones advise to play. Hes thinking to much now.
Heyward goes to the plate. In his mind he says …..stand this way, hold the bat back, lower your grip, slide your hands, tap your foot three times, lift the bat, and they that time he has missed the ball.
Instead of having real managers and proven coaches, they take friends of friends who they think can do the job and then theres Pendleton who stayed because Gonzalez likes him and hes a total clone maker. He has hurt more players then hes helped.
Yes a team will take Heyward then watch out. You Heyward bashers will be eating your words when the kid takes pitcher after pitcher deep over and over. All he needs is a real coach. A REAL COACH AND MANAGER.
jim
September 29th, 2011
3:25 pm
Sorry foir the spelling above. in tack = intact
Naboo the Enigma
September 29th, 2011
3:25 pm
ccrider, you have been blabbing on here all day long. Go change your diaper already grandpa
Dealmaker 9610
September 29th, 2011
3:25 pm
A sad way to end the season:
1. Everyone has injuries……………..that’s no excuse.
2. Using your bullpen for 75 – 80 games a year is a recipe for disaster……as it proved to be. That only happens because you can’t score runs.
3. Jason is not ready…he needs a year in AAA to get the hitch out of his swing and to recover completely.
4. Chipper, it’s time to go. You made a great effort but Prado is being hurt by the instability.
5. Bye, bye Lowe……take the hit and swallow hard.
6. Give B-Mac 2 days a week off; Ross is excellent. If B-Mac doesn’t get more rest, his career is over in 3 – 4 years and his hitting will continue to deteriorate.
7.Michael and Jose and Martin #1,2, and 3 will set the stage for “small ball” and more scoring.
8. Trade some of the young pitchers for another bat…..a veteran outfielder until Jason is ready.
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Naboo the Enigma
September 29th, 2011
3:36 pm
Oops, missed his final post where he said his diaper was finally full to the brim. So long CC, don’t forget the baby powder down there…
jim
September 29th, 2011
3:38 pm
Dealmaker,
Just which young pitchers would you trade? JJ and Hanson are injured and not worth very much right now. That leaves leaves Beachy, Minor, Delgado, Teheran, Medlen, and Vizcaino. With Lowe soon to be gone, and Hudson not getting younger, those 6 could be the fixtures in your rotation or bullpen in the near future. The two guys you may want to trade are not worth very much right now, and as this year proved, you never have too much pitching.
jim
September 29th, 2011
3:41 pm
A veteran bat until Jason is ready sounds like a Ludwick/Willingham type of player. Not the kind of guy you give up any of those pitchers for.
old head bravo fan
September 29th, 2011
3:43 pm
when the going gets tough the tough get going..and the Braves quit…no heart.
sax1196
September 29th, 2011
3:46 pm
Well we still got our young pitchers, and the guy we would not pull the string on Hunter Pence drops the hit to send us on vacation. Every year save pitching and every year we cannot get a key hit.
bitter in beantown
September 29th, 2011
3:48 pm
misery loves company,WELCOME TO MY WORLD
jim
September 29th, 2011
3:48 pm
Now that we have seen Freeman and all the young pitchers, there is not a whole hell of a lot left down in the system that any one in the rest of baseball is very excited about. We have gone cheap in the last few drafts (the Pirates spent more on their 2nd round pick than we did on the whole draft), and we need to restock fast if we are going to fill in around the talent promoted in the last 2 years. This year please draft and sign the best guy available, not the best guy that will sign for slot.
old head bravo fan
September 29th, 2011
3:50 pm
A O A A O A oh it’s over ,gee I miss it already
O-No-Lowe!
September 29th, 2011
3:55 pm
If Wren doesn’t trade Lowe or release him then the bird brain(Wren)should be run out on a rail!Next make Chopper Jones Retire(chopper justs chops away at pitches or lets the good ones pass!).Let A-GONE and McOut walk..and if Fredi doesn’t fire Larry then Fredi should be FIRED TOO!
old head bravo fan
September 29th, 2011
3:56 pm
Why me? I go to church.
mutts fan
September 29th, 2011
3:59 pm
whos a mutt now,no you guys are mongrels ,mutts will fight.
Bright Spot
September 29th, 2011
4:01 pm
Freddie Freeman is a Bright Spot on the Brave’s…..lets see another bright spot is pitching!……another Bright Spot……Freddie Freeman……oh I already mentioned him!It seems that the only one on the Brave’s that gives a Damn is Freddie(not Fredi!)…….the future looks bright for Freddie…..a kid with Heart and Class!………….Freddie Freeman is the player we all thought Jason Heyward would be!
Jim Mora Sr.
September 29th, 2011
4:02 pm
Playoffs……………….Playoffs……..we just got to win 1 damn game first!
mutts fan
September 29th, 2011
4:04 pm
Did you call us mutts…oh no you didn’t…who’s sorry now…CHIPPER a.k.a. CHOKER and the curs,the not so Braves have no heart..we may be mutts,but we know it.You eletist F..KS in Atlanta deserve it.
Not Feeling Bad in the Atl
September 29th, 2011
4:07 pm
I am not feeling bad in the Atl…….not as bad as those Schmucks in Boston!At least the Brave’s have an Excuse with a payroll half that of the Beantown Blowers!……………Lol
Charlie Manuel
September 29th, 2011
4:08 pm
Big Mouth Chipper: The Phillies just swept your butts. My team did that without fully using our starters; and on Wed., I used a bunch of second and third stringers on the mound. That was the second time we swept you losers this month.
You said you wanted the Phillies—well you got them.
Did you get the message yet?
George
September 29th, 2011
4:09 pm
I am a citizen of Philadelphia and have been a fan of our squad for many years. The Braves were the one team that scared Phillies fans all year. Trust me. I listen to Philadelphia sports talk everyday. The hosts of the shows were concerned and so were the callers. That being said, don’t be down on your team. I and the thinking fans of Philadelphia know that it’s injury that did your team in. You lose 2 of your top starters, McCann wasn’t the same after his injury and Chipper is really playing on one leg. We know up here. We have seen it happen here, too. Real fans in Philadelphia know the Braves and if they had stayed healthy, you would have been there at the end. I figure if your front office tweaks the team just a bit in the off season and your top players are healthy, it will be a dogfight next season. After all, there are only 2 teams in this division right now. So take heart, Atlanta, it’s a bitter pill but we had to watch your reign for 13 years. We’ve only had 5. You’ll be back and it will be fun from a Phillies Fan perspective to watch the match up next year. By the way, your bullpen is set for the next 5 or 6 years barring injury. Despite that Venters and Kimbrel struggled down the stretch. They’re rookies! They were great for most of the season. It just caught up to your team.
PaulCrieder
September 29th, 2011
4:11 pm
BRIAN MCCAN SUCKED LAST NIGHT! I COULDNT BELIEVE HOW MANY TIMES HE CAME UP TO BAT AND KEPT TAKING STRIKES. MY ADVICE TO HIM DURING THE OFFSEASON IS “FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE LEARN WHERE THE STRIKE ZONE IS” SO THAT YOU CAN AT LEAST SWING YOUR BAT DURING A STRIKE AND STOP TAKING STRIKES AND GETTING CALLED OUT. REMEMBER BRIAN, YOU CANT GET A HIT IF YOU DONT SWING THE DAMN BAT. THANK YOU.
ccrider
September 29th, 2011
4:11 pm
naboo the enigma??? hi wally – you’re a clown
George
September 29th, 2011
4:15 pm
I just want to add one more thing. I’m reading the comments to this sight and I am astonished. I thought Phillies fans could tough! Your fans are obviously frustrated;I get it. But I really believe injuries were the problem. The Phillies had lots of injuries, too, but only Oswalt out of the top of the rotation missed significant time. Go easy on them, Atlanta, if Philadelphia had lost Hallidayand Lee or Hamels for a third of the season, where would we be?
GumbyWilkinson
September 29th, 2011
4:15 pm
That was the most HEARTLESS, GUTLESS season by a Braves team in recent years. that played cold-hearted, gutless baseball and the hitters were up there taking strikes when all we had to do was punch a few more runs across to give us some insurance runs. At least on Monday when Prado came up in the ninth inning, Prado BELTED THE BASEBALL IN THE UPERR DECK, looking like “Popeye”. I’m sure he had eaten plenty of spinach in order to do that. Unfortunately it was much too little, too late to save the Braves season.
Hay-Boy
September 29th, 2011
4:18 pm
This season Jason Heyward looked like the chinese butler on Have Gun Will Travel named Hay-Boy….maybe the Brave’s need to Hire Palladin(Richard Boone) so he can whip Hey-Boy into shape!That’s Right Boone is dead and so is the Brave’s hitting!
ArJBraves
September 29th, 2011
4:21 pm
@George
Thanks for the kind words. It does help take some of the sting out. And hopefully things will go better for the Braves next year and there will be more exciting baseball between the Phils and Braves.
Some of these negative comments are excessive but true. Fredi is simply not a good manager, and Larry really doesn’t seem to have any idea what he’s doing. He had a very poor/mediocre career just like Terry. The offense has been bad under both of them. The team needs proper managing/coaching. They’re not getting that. Derek Lowe really needs to go. Eat the salary. At least you’ll be paying $15 million to have less of a chance to lose. That’s much better.
Alex Gonzalez isn’t a great offensive player, but he has great defense. They will most likely re-sign him to be a bridge for Pastornicky. Hopefully Pastornicky will be ready early or at least by mid-season. Really excited to see what he can do.
And I don’t even want to think about Linebrink.
Oleo in South Ga.
September 29th, 2011
4:21 pm
I have said this at the end of every season for the last 6 years. ” We need a !$#^%&(!!! outfield.” I said, outfield, not outfielder.
Reply:Phillie fan George
September 29th, 2011
4:22 pm
Thanks for the kind comments George……………..NOW SIT BACK AND CRY WHILE THE CARDINALS WHIP YOUR TEAMS ASS!
Najeh Davenpoop
September 29th, 2011
4:22 pm
Does anyone have a link to the news I just was texted about Fredi keeping the staff in tact? THIS JOKE OF A BEAT BLOG AND SUPPOSED BRAVES SECTION IN A TOP TEN MEDIA MARKET OFFERS ME ONLY LAST NIGHTS QUOTES. Drop sports if you don’t care and go fulltime to music and BBQ and other crap that this writer eats for dinner.
Liberty Media
September 29th, 2011
4:23 pm
We are taking a survey. We would like to get the fans opinion of the Atlanta Braves. Please respond as it will help us in our sincere desire to bring the best baseball product to the city of Atlanta.
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NickB
September 29th, 2011
4:24 pm
Alrighty, that pretty much sucked…. But with the rather unfortunate nature of our hitting this year (which contributed to the overworking of our pen) it wasn’t hard to believe…sigh
Here are the things that WILL happen this offseason:
Chipper will be back. He was in the top 3 in 3rd base production. I don’t think some of you understand that. This isn’t the roid era where every position has a 40 HR guy.
Fredi and all of the coaches will be back.- Because our Team President is an idiot and doesn’t believe in OBP. (he said this when asked about the Moneyball movie) So even though the team went from near the league lead in OBP in 2010 to near the bottom in 2011, JS won’t feel the need to change our hitting coach….sigh
Heyward will be better- the last 2 weeks he was back to the old Heyward again, hitting .286 with a .830 OPS. It appeared to me he was taking more pitches again and was therefor getting more balls to hit.
Constanza will not be on the 25 man roster next year- Braves carry 12 pitchers, 8 starters so that leaves 5 bench spots , assuming Jack Wilson isn’t brought back, we Have Hinske,Ross,Diaz all under contract (assuming they pick up Hinske’s option) they will either move Prado back to utility role and get a LF’er or they will leave Prado in LF and get a backup SS. They will need a defensive OF replacement, but Constanza’s limited ability to hit makes him a poor choice (and the fact he’s a terrible CF’er) I know many of you believe he was the “spark” but the truth of it is he got on a hot streak and once pitchers stopped throwing him strikes he began to struggle (last 36 games of the year he hit .188 with a .376 OPS) He’s not really a legit big leaguer.
They will offer Bourne an extension and he will decline- Boras guy, he ain’t coming back after next year
Everything else…who knows. I doubt they get any takers on Lowe unfortunately. Even at $5 mill his age and recent sucktitude have made him nye untradeable
BraveinPA
September 29th, 2011
4:25 pm
First of all the Phillies window is closing fast- I live up here with all the “so called fans” for all of them calling out the Braves fans- I recall going to the Vet on Gameday and buying tickets for the Braves-Phillies game- so don’t act like you have always supported the team you have not. Rollins is gone after this year….Hammels is gone after this year…Chase is on the down slope after his injury- Palanco is about finished as well-We want start on Raul- Don’t say Valdez or Mayberry or Brown- stop now- I’m sorry but Doc’s and Lee’s arm is only going to hold only so much longer- Look at Hudson’s number’s before his arm went- IP he topped as many as anyone— they have some wear and tear- it is not desire- the body has a way of letting you know as you age- this is just a fact. Don’t talk about announcers either- the phillies announcers are terrible. Sad thing is if the Sillies don’t win then they would only need win 9 more straight years and they would mirror what the Braves did in the 90’s and early 2000’s. We will see if they stop the cards as hot as they have gotten- I can’t stand the Phillies- I’ll cheer for a Met’s team before the Phillies- the guy on here earlier is the first philly fan I’ve ever seen give another team credit- I’m not taking anything away from them- they are good- but you play the games first- as I’ve said before Braves fans should know this better than anyone- cause on paper we were the team to beat every year! Let’s go CARDS!!!!
Carry On My Heyward Son!
September 29th, 2011
4:26 pm
Right on back to Gwinnett county!
mutts fan
September 29th, 2011
4:26 pm
Yipe…Yipe Yipe…yip,whine.
mutts fan
September 29th, 2011
4:29 pm
Brave in Pa..still breast feeding…you’re a joke.Ooops it ninny time.Nite-nite.
Phillie Payroll
September 29th, 2011
4:32 pm
The Phillies have the best pitching staff money can buy…..what do they pay their big4 per year $75Mil???Only 20 mil more and you can buy the whole Brave’s Roster!