Minor league pitcher is PTBN in Diaz deal

MIAMI — The Braves sent minor-league reliever Eliecer Cardenas to the Pittsburgh Pirates as the player to be named to complete an Aug. 31 trade that brought outfielder Matt Diaz to Atlanta.

Cardenas is a 23-year-old right-hander who didn’t reach Double-A for the first time until this season. He spent five seasons in the Twins organization before the Braves took him in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft last winter.

He was dominant at high Class-A Lynchburg this season but had alarmingly bad numbers in five appearances at Double-A Mississippi, allowing 15 hits and 14 runs (nine earned) in just three innings (27.00 ERA), with two homers, six walks and one strikeout.

Cardenas posted an 0.79 ERA with 75 strikeouts and only 31 hits allowed in 56-2/3 innings at Lynchburg, albeit with 29 walks.

In six minor league seasons, he’s 20-10 with a 2.52 ERA in 138 games (26 starts), with 284 strikeouts and 136 walks in 297 innings. Four of those seasons were spent in the Dominican Summer League and Gulf Coast League in rookie ball.

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Meatlake

September 21st, 2011
8:35 am

good luck kid….

dean

September 21st, 2011
8:39 am

Does The Player to Be Named Later know who he is before he is named later? I’ve always wondered.,

reckingball

September 21st, 2011
8:53 am

dean……..I would have to say yes.
If he can’t remember who he is, he can always look at his drivers license, ask his manager, or call his mother, to find out what his name is.

richbrave

September 21st, 2011
8:59 am

One of the reliefers I was looking at for a replacement arm in ATLANTA in two years.

Larry

September 21st, 2011
8:59 am

I like Diaz as a person, but as a player he is too representative of the Bobby Cox (and now his offspring, Fruity) dead-end street Braves hitting philosophy off total free swinging, guess hitting hacks that kill many more rallies than there occasional home run justify.

Contact, situational hitters with blazing speed are best suited for close games in the postseason, thus I’d play Constanza over a Diaz anytime.

More than past time to out the Diaz type hitters in the rear view mirror. We should have made a play for Infante–he’s a perfect postseason compliment.

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ & Shrimp

September 21st, 2011
8:59 am

How much does a beer cost at the ball park in Lynchburg, VA ?

dean

September 21st, 2011
9:38 am

reckingball, that’s funny but not what I was asking.

The question is: When the deal is made and a Player to Be Named Later is part of the deal, does the player who will be named later actually know it when the deal is made or is it, “Dam! I’m the Player to Be Named Later.”, when the player’s name is released?

Old Blue

September 21st, 2011
9:46 am

In the future, area baseball representatives will be stationed at regional hospitals to assist mothers with the naming of their babies. If there is any delay, the young child will be tentatively named “Babe” until the necessary assistance can be achieved.

Andy

September 21st, 2011
10:09 am

Dean,

Generally, when a trade is made, the Braves would give the Pirates a list of players to choose from by a predetermined date (lets say that date for this trade was today). The PTBNL finds out when he is chosen.

bruce mac

September 21st, 2011
10:10 am

Old Blue, why not Hank as tentative name? By the way, my man Heyward is coming on strong. I love his attitude and approach these days. McCann is a different matter, struggling comes to mind but I put a cuss word in front of it in my den.

Ted M

September 21st, 2011
10:12 am

the PTBN later is unknown by all parties. the team receiving the PTBN is given a choice of several players then they take their time in scouting them before they choose.

Ted M

September 21st, 2011
10:15 am

A good trivia question would be “who is the most successful PTBN?”

Anyone?

MC

September 21st, 2011
10:24 am

The PTBN is selected from a pool of a few players, but there is no date set as to when the player is chosen. He could’ve been chosen the day after or even in the offseason. The Mets PTBN from the K-Rod deal was chosen before playoff rosters were set.

TheAntiMe

September 21st, 2011
10:31 am

Too bad the PTBNL wasn’t Derek Lowe. Come on, D. Lowe, make me eat my words tonight. PLEASE!!!

Mako

September 21st, 2011
10:39 am

Keep the Minor Leaguer and return Diaz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VaBravesfan

September 21st, 2011
10:57 am

Billy Jack- a pitcher of beer is $12.00.

DawgDad

September 21st, 2011
11:29 am

The Braves are clinging on by stretched arm ligaments and torn shoulders and Derek Lowe is pitching tonight and THIS is what we get for a blog topic???

I tuned in to the Cardinal game on 1120 AM last night after the Braves game, just in time to hear someone clear the bases with a triple. Ouch.

Have to give Wren a lot of credit. Three kid pitchers won that game last night. Jack Wilson stepped in for AGon; not long ago that would have been Diory coming off the bench. Bourn continues to play well, Freeman homers. Time for Uggla and McCann to step up.

I would be watching Lowe very carefully tonight. If that sinker isn’t working it would be a very short outing, like one or two batters. There are no games left to play with; the Cardinals aren’t likely to fold tent and the Braves figure to struggle to break even the rest of the way.

IHEARTCARROLL

September 21st, 2011
11:37 am

My father was born in 1934 at home without the aid of a doctor. He was several months old before a doctor visited the community and offered to record the birth. He had been affectionately call “the little guy”, but nobody had chosen a name. In haste before the doctor moved on, they named him “Guy”.

I think he was the original PTBNL.

Dwayne

September 21st, 2011
11:44 am

Constanza is finished, he had his run. pinch runner at best. Diaz against lefties as a pinch hitter. Heyward looking better. Pitching is the concern with FG managing. Hudson, Beachy…then who? Cant afford to see if JJ can pitch with a brace on his knee, Hanson is not as good as people make him out to be. Throw them young kid starters in the playoff fire with JV and CK. Hell, Braves in playoffs NOW!

iTiSi

September 21st, 2011
12:16 pm

It would sure stop a lot of the confusion and questions if they would just simply say, “Player To Be Identified Later”, or PTBIL. Now here is my legitimate question for the day. If Michael Bourne’s dad was an obstetrician, would he be the original “Bourne Free”?

DawgDad

September 21st, 2011
12:19 pm

Dwayne, I think the current rotation is Hudson, Minor, Beachy, Delgado, and Lowe (I may have Minor and Beachy reversed). I’m good with that, with Lowe being the fifth option at this point. Hanson or JJ would have to prove they are ready, but the Braves are busy frittering away the opportunity to give them a look-see or tune-up at the Major League level before the season ends.

reckingball

September 21st, 2011
12:21 pm

Dwayne, @11:44…. I don’t think that Constanza will be on the post season team, if the Braves make it to the playoffs. He is fast, but he often underestimates the talent level of the MLB opposing players when he is on the basepaths, resulting in being thrown out.
He also appears to start his slides too early, sometimes.
Diaz is much better at the plate.
As for the pitchers, if Lowe cannot show improvement on his recent performances, and turn things around early in the game tonight, he should be pulled immediately.
I would rather see Fredi G. roll the dice, and go with Hudson and the young’uns the rest of the way, this year.
But that’s just my opinion.

Herschel Talker

September 21st, 2011
12:22 pm

Send Diaz back to Pittsburgh. He is worthless.

reckingball

September 21st, 2011
12:28 pm

iTiSi @12:16………Micheal might would be the original Bourn free, but not the original “Born Free”, as that lion would be way older than Micheal, if he was still alive.

jek

September 21st, 2011
12:43 pm

With the minor league rotation the Braves have now it is surprising that Frank Wren would let a minor league pitcher go. Does this mean that Liberty will spring some payroll for pitching depth next year?

ijudgenot

September 21st, 2011
12:53 pm

unless Fredi continues the rediculus habit Cox had of carrying 3 catchers on the post season roster, there should be a spot for both Constanza and Diaz. With the bench being Constanza, Diaz, Wilson, Conrad, and Hinske. The real decisions will be whether to keep Linebrink and Sherill over Teheran and Vavaro. Sherill probably gets the nod with an eye toward Philadelphia’s lefthanded hitters. That leaves the last spot between Teheran, Varvaro and Linebrink. Vizcaino, Delgado and Martinez have made it already.

frankie

September 21st, 2011
1:07 pm

ijudgenot is more like ithinknot, how about at least one back-up catcher on bench. You better drop constanza for ross.

Ebenezer Snerdberg

September 21st, 2011
1:26 pm

Foster Brooks on the mound for Atlanta tonite. Oops, solly, at’s “Slob”Lowe! Can’t hardly tell the difference no more!

ChipsATurd

September 21st, 2011
1:38 pm

Chip Carey is to announcing what Lowe has been to Braves pitching in Aug/Sept – worthless. Fredi doesn’t have the courage to replace Lowe tonight, which would be the sensible, smart move. There is no more time to work out the kinks; they are fighting for their playoff lives. FG will never be confused with a keen game strategist, just as Carey doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Vin Scully or Dave Neihaus.

cristianlobo

September 21st, 2011
2:15 pm

Lowe was the opening day starter against Cliff Lee, and won. He had a no-hitter into the seventh inning back in May. He was dealing in that game, had to leave with a blister. He had a good, six inning start against the Nats in June, and I think he shut out the Rays, too. Point is, he still knows how to pitch. Can’t say I’m happy about starting him now, but they don’t call me about these things. So, I say we gotta believe. We gotta believe that Lowe can reach down, find it, get real with it and come through to it. It will make a great October story. Gotta believe. That’s all there is to do. Let’s go Bravos.

reckingball

September 21st, 2011
2:26 pm

I hope that Lowe can get his mojo risin’.

reckingball

September 21st, 2011
2:30 pm

jek……Do you think that the Braves don’t have any pitching depth, or, are you kidding?

reckingball

September 21st, 2011
2:32 pm

Chip Carey is one of the most talented announcers in all of MLB.

Summer of George

September 21st, 2011
2:51 pm

Matt Diaz back in Atlanta? Never knew he left….figured he was injured or something.

Summer of George

September 21st, 2011
2:56 pm

2 1/2 games….come on Bravos….still have confidence in ya.
Lousy Cardinals play mets, chicago, and houston to end season….nice draw of the schedule there for them.
I’d feel good if we could clinch it before the phillies series.

bobby

September 21st, 2011
3:16 pm

I hope they get Lowe out of the bar earlier than they have been doing.

cristianlobo

September 21st, 2011
3:16 pm

Too much love and respect for Chip’s daddy to ever diss Chip. While he may lack his father’s wit and wisdom, Chip has improved every year to become a decent commentator in his own right. He’s not nearly as corny as Joe, and I’d rather listen him than most anybody, especially the likes of that blasted Tim McCarver.

[...] Three weeks ago the Braves re-acquired outfielder Matt Diaz from the Pirates for a player to be named later and today Pittsburgh chose minor-league reliever Eliecer Cardenas to complete the deal. [...]

Felix

September 21st, 2011
4:41 pm

Great, just great! Lowe is starting. I don’t get my job done, I get fired. In MLB, for how long, and just how bad, does your performance have to be to get canned?

What is Fredi doing? Your WC lead has dropped like a stone all the way to 2.5 games, Lowe stinks bad, and Fredi gives him the start!!!!!

Chip Carey

September 21st, 2011
4:43 pm

Chip Carey is a Brilliant announcer. Debonair and Handsome too.

Chip Carey

September 21st, 2011
4:44 pm

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Chip Carey

September 21st, 2011
4:46 pm

To Ebenezer: The “Foster Brooks” on the mound comment is Brilliant too!

Bob the Blogger

September 21st, 2011
6:37 pm

Dear Mr. Reckingball,
If the PTBN does not know his name, how can he be expected to know his mother’s phone number?

alexcox

September 21st, 2011
8:57 pm

POR FAVOR VOTEN A WREN PARISH FREDI GONSALES Y DARLE VIDA ALOS BRAVES YA ESTAMOS CANSADO D TENER UNOS PERDEDORES FIN A ESTA GENTE

Rufio

September 21st, 2011
11:49 pm

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keeping It Real

September 22nd, 2011
9:40 am

Why give up a young arm for a retread that was released once and has not really helped the team on his return. This was a bad deal IMO.

dean

September 22nd, 2011
10:34 am

Belated thanks to Andy for the answer.

stats

September 24th, 2011
10:20 am

Don’t know if anyone is still reading this blog, but PTBNL can be known to both parties at the time of the trade. That was the case when Ted Turner traded away Brett Butler to the Indians for Len Barker in 1983. The Trade was made in August, but Butler wasn’t named at the time because the terms of the trade allowed the Braves to keep Butler through the pennant race. IIRC, Butler suspected he had been traded and asked Turner about it and Turner told him it was true. So Butler played the last few weeks of the season knowing he had been traded.

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