Braves quotes after Wednesday loss to Phillies

***ERIC HINSKE

On the loss

“Give them credit, they got some pinch hits off the bench. Mayberry had a nice knock, and obviously Gload with the game-winner.”

“Oswalt pitched good, but, I mean, we were winning 2-1 going into the eighth inning. So you can’t hang your heads. We’re going to keep grinding; there’s nothing else to do. We came in here and got swept, but there’s still 20 games to go. We’ve still got a nice [wild card] lead, just keep your heads up and keep going. That’s all you can do.”

***CHIPPER JONES

On the loss

“They scored a run off the strength of our ballclub. Nine times out of 10, sometimes more than that, the game’s over. Polanco hit a good pitch. Nothing you can do about it. Got to tip your cap. They won it there in the ninth. Again, you can’t walk away from it thinking that you played bad or you gave it to them. Nothing like that. They just beat us in a really good ballgame.”

“We’ll take our spanking and try to win a doubleheader tomorrow in New York.”

On the team’s recent slide

“Obviously Jurrjens and Hanson going down and being injured [has had an impact]. But you can’t argue with the way we played the last two nights. We left it all out there, and just got beat late.

“September is not the ideal time to be going through a swoon, but here we are. And the only way we’re going to get out of it is to play just a hair better.”

***FREDI GONZALEZ

On Beachy

“He gave us a great opportunity to win that ballgame. We had the right guys out there to win it. You’ve got to give credit to Polanco; that was a pretty nasty pitch that Venters threw to him, and he poked it out there in right field.”

On being swept

“You’ve got to tip your hat to those guys. They’re playing real well right now. They’re pitching, they’re getting timely hitting, they’re playing good baseball. And right now, we’re not scoring any runs. That’s just the way it goes sometimes.”

On not making most of scoring opportunities

“Nobody wants to get a big knock more than those guys out there. You give Phillies pitchers credit, or we’re just going through one of those stretches where it’s just not happening right now.”

On the strange sixth inning, after call reversed

“We bring in O’Flaherty to get those guys in a first-and-third situation. He got [Howard] out, then he goes out in the next inning and has a nice inning. The game could have turned right there [in the sixth], and our guys didn’t let that happen. But they kept battling. They’ve got a lot of weapons there offensively, and if you make a mistake it’s going to cost you.”

On the bullpen giving up tying and winning runs

“Those are the guys you want out there. They’ve been really, really good in those situations. Like I said earlier, I was sitting here watching it on TV and Polanco hit a helluva pitch from Jonny. It was sinking away, I bet it was half a foot outside, sinking that way. And he put some wood on it.”

On Heyward’s throw up the line

“Watching it on TV, I think it handcuffed him a little bit. He came in on it too hard.”

On what needs to be done

“We’ve got to get deeper in ballgames as a pitching staff, and we’ve got to score more runs, put some crooked numbers up. I think we scored five runs with nothing but one-run innings the whole series. We need to get the opportunity, when we’ve got two or three guys on base, get a bases-clearing double or a two-run single.”

On wild-card lead shrinking, division deficit ballooning

“We’ve got to win series and fight for the wild card, keep winning ballgames.”

***JONNY VENTERS

On pitch to Polanco for game-tying hit

“It was up a little bit. Mac came out, told me to try to shoot something the other way, and I didn’t do it. Didn’t keep the ball down. Didn’t make a pitch. He made me pay for it.

“Brandon threw the well all night and we scratched out a run in the seventh to get the lead. For me to come in and give up the lead like that – no excuse. I didn’t do my job, didn’t make pitches.”

“I thought we played good baseball today. We just need to keep going every day and win games. They’re a good team. I thought we should have won today. Just got to scratch out some runs.”

***BRANDON BEACHY

On his performance

“I liked the results, obviously, other than the one batter. But again, I threw without my changeup tonight. Got away with it a lot, but I was falling behind because I couldn’t throw my off-speed for a strike. Just kept bailing myself out with fastballs.”

On what he would have changed

“I would have liked to make it a lot farther in the game. I would have liked to have not given up the home run. Games like this, that one run could be the difference.”

Anything would have done differently on the Ibanez at-bat (home run)

“I would have thrown one of those three curveballs for a strike, then it wouldn’t have been a full count.”

On the sixth inning walk to Victorino

“Once again, I was in a position I felt good in, then I walk Victorino on four pitches with two outs. That’s inexcusable in my eyes. Polanco flares one — whether Jason caught it or not, that situation should have never arose. Seems like every time I’m talking to you guys I’m saying the same thing. I’m just letting teams off the hook.”

228 comments Add your comment

Braves803

September 7th, 2011
11:55 pm

Like I said, we should’ve put the Sunday lineup from the Dodgers game out there!!!!

Cap tipping time

September 7th, 2011
11:56 pm

LOL.. cant be postgame comments without a tip of your cap

Cap tipping time

September 7th, 2011
11:59 pm

what a sh*t performance by the offense after beachy pitched his @ss off

but sweep the dodgers like they should have and they’d be up 8.5 right now…and this sweep wouldve been less impacting.

TAKE PRADO OUT OF THE F’N 2 hole!!!!!!!
and what a poorly played ball by heyward on the game tying run.

Cap tipping time

September 8th, 2011
12:01 am

the effect of running venters out there nearly every day in the first half.. now with days off, he’s not used to it… i have no idea how fredi is going to manage the pen in the doubleheader tomorrow.. but keep the doubleheader sweep streak alive and sweept the mutts. mccann looks lost out there right now and obviously ross will start one of the 2 games tomorrow.. i feel he’ll go 2-4 with a HR

mathman

September 8th, 2011
12:02 am

Uggla needs to bunt with runners at 1st and 2nd and no outs. If he bunts, Diaz ties game with sac fly. Gonzo 2 Sac bunts tonight though it looked like he didn’t want to. Terrible attitude for Gonzalez.

Los Bravos

September 8th, 2011
12:02 am

What????? Braves fans are talking negatively about Prado??? Not Marteeeeen! Not your precious MVPrado! I guess you all are just noticing what sensible baseball fans have been saying for the past month or so….

Peter

September 8th, 2011
12:03 am

I originally felt that Lowe should pitch Game 2 of the NLDS (should we get there) because Beachy doesn’t have the experience to pitch on the road in the postseason. I changed my mind tonight. Beachy proved tonight that he is more than capable of handling a road game in the postseason. The kid has “it”, whatever “it” is.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:05 am

No question asking Heyward how he could play Polanco’s ball any worse and not be able to make a Little League throw against a slow runner?

Teams are going to run on Heyward until he proves he can throw someone out. Having a great arm means jack if you can’t hit the broad side of a barn. That play simply has to be made. No excuse for that pathetic showing…

bravesfaninNashville

September 8th, 2011
12:06 am

I understand giving great opponents like the Phillies some credit where it’s due, but don’t lose that fire to kick some butt. I’d love to see a little more passion from this team. I know people say that it’s there but I don’t see inspired baseball right now from this team. Let’s get that swagger back that shows we expect to win and when we don’t we’re coming back tomorrow to make somebody pay.

LOL

September 8th, 2011
12:08 am

(insert angry irrational Braves fan rant here)

bravesfaninNashville

September 8th, 2011
12:10 am

Rowsdower…… Agreed Constanza is a better defensive player than Heyward and he should have been in there at that point of the game. If he is first of all he gets to that ball sooner and his arm is a laser from that distance. It seems like Fredi G is making all the wrong moves right now.

Largo

September 8th, 2011
12:13 am

A double header tomorrow at Mets, three with St. Louis, three more with the phillies – against those guys, 6.5 games won’t last long the way the braves are playing. Prado and McCann are completely useless and have been. Freddy F is hurting. Two pitchers down and replaced by rookies. Things are looking a little scary right now.

Brian

September 8th, 2011
12:14 am

Cap tippin’ time!!! Helluva and crooked numbers and that’s the way it goes sometimes!!! And yeah Chpper, you guys left it all out there the last two games. The runners and opportunities to win, that is. Better wake up soon, boys!

Rick

September 8th, 2011
12:16 am

“Uggla needs to bunt with runners at 1st and 2nd and no outs. If he bunts, Diaz ties game with sac fly. Gonzo 2 Sac bunts tonight though it looked like he didn’t want to. Terrible attitude for Gonzalez.”

You want the cleanup hitter to bunt? That’s just stupid.

bravesfan

September 8th, 2011
12:16 am

Damn team looks like they were in slow motion..dead, just going through the motions.. no life!

Score tied and u bring in the ‘down under guy” just off the DL and we lose..great call.

Somethings never change same stupid manager mistakes….

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:17 am

Good thing the rookie pitchers are actually pitching well, eh Largo. I mean Beachy, Minor and Delgado have looked good. Teheren should be able to handle the Mut’s Triple A lineup since he absolutely killed Triple A this year. It’s not panic time yet. We have a great chance to win 2 of 3 from the Cards (bLowe is pitching Saturday, so that’s a loss) and end the Wild Card race. If we get swept by the Cards, I’ll start panicking…

Leo Fullabaloney

September 8th, 2011
12:19 am

All is well..Joe Simpson and me are convinced we’ll win it all this year–and next. When is the next payday for us Braves employees?

brave braverson

September 8th, 2011
12:20 am

mets sweep tomorrow. st louis kicks us out of town and the wild card spot. thats all i have to say. dont even wanna speak about how s****y we played this series.

Husker Tony

September 8th, 2011
12:23 am

Venters. I like the way he talks, prob why he is so good. **** the cap tippers.

nubdan

September 8th, 2011
12:25 am

The biggest difference between the Braves and Phillies is: The phillies get the clutch hit, the Braves don’t….How many times this series did the Braves get the 1st 2 runners on in an inning and have nothing to show for it/

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:28 am

If the Braves scored even 30% of runners on 3rd with less than 2 outs they would still be in the NL East race. They are abysmal at situational hitting.

I really don’t care how Gonzalez feels about having to bunt, its his job. He executed both perfectly. Atta boy, Gonzo!

DontStopTheChop

September 8th, 2011
12:29 am

” Agreed Constanza is a better defensive player than Heyward and he should have been in there at that point of the game”

Your not going to burn your pinch runner off the bench to replace a guy on defense that is not a defensive liability

Mister Frisky

September 8th, 2011
12:29 am

Beachy great effort you deserve much better,hang in there kid you have good stuff and great mound presence.Now what’s really goin on.After we get rolled in the NLDS assuming the fellas have some pride and sac and don’t blow this thing.Let’s look forward to the off season.Hopefully Parrish first then Prado,Gonzo,and Heyward don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way outta town.Like someone said on the game blog get rid of that turd Lowe even if it’s on the KK expressway.Shore up right,left,and short in 2012.Then deal with tihird in 2013.

@nubdan

September 8th, 2011
12:31 am

Actually Nub, the biggest differnence is that the Phillies are better, hands down.

Disappointed in Duluth

September 8th, 2011
12:31 am

I hope these guys don’t “tip their cap” out of a playoff spot. Hinske, it doesn’t matter we were up 2-1 in the 8th innning – we still lost. Chipper, maybe if you had made the play at the end the result would be different. But who knows, just tip your cap to them I guess. Oh, and I don’t think we really put any pressure or beat them at all, so maybe pre-series comments should be avoided next time. If these last two games was us leaving it all out there, then I guess we’re headed for a loss in the playoffs. At least Venters and Beachy are hard on themselves – I like that. Where’s the passion? I hate to be pessimistic but it’s just been painful watching them these couple games. Starting pitching with the exception of Beachy has been unreliable, and offense especially with RISP has been horrible. It just felt like they weren’t going to win. By the way, we have a losing record against the Mets this season, so they aren’t to be taken lightly. I hope the rookies are up to the task.

IdahoBravesFan

September 8th, 2011
12:32 am

Why did he put Moylan in there after he has just come back?????? I believe these guys were thinking that they had the wild card. The Cards are on a roll and are about to go head to head with Atlanta. Then Atlanta still have their nemesis Washington and Philadelphia coming up at the end. Braves will be extremely fortunate to make it to the playoffs as lousy as their offense is right now. The only thing that can save us now is that the Cards have four games with the Phils. If we do get to the playoffs we are gone in the first round. This is shades of last year.

menlobrave

September 8th, 2011
12:32 am

Here’s what I’d like to hear: “We aren’t as good as they are. They have better pitching, better hitting, and better management. We were lucky to play them even before this series, but our luck ran out. If, and it is a big if right now, we make the playoffs, we will need the kind of luck the Marlins had in 97 or we’ll get our butts kicked by better teams. Pray a lot-that might help.”

@Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:34 am

And if the Queen had a set, she’d be the the King. The braves have milked everything out of this team. They are a good team, but get real.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:34 am

@IdahoBravesFan – You have a better suggestion than Moylan in that situation?

IdahoBravesFan

September 8th, 2011
12:35 am

Fredi needs just jump up on a table in the clubhouse and scream bloody murder at these guys. Light a fire under them. The Phils showed that they have the mental toughness to make it happen. When it is on the line they come through.

Bobby's Cox

September 8th, 2011
12:35 am

I’ve not seen Jason make too many good throws. Why is his arm so inaccurate? Learn to one-hop one to a base Jason.

Moylan shouldn’t have pitched the 9th either. Not this soon off the DL in Philly in that inning. Moylan has been pretty clutch, but throughout his career he seems to take some time before he’s most effective (for example, April/May are his worse months, then he heats up as the season progresses).

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:35 am

“Your not going to burn your pinch runner off the bench to replace a guy on defense that is not a defensive liability”

He was a liability on that play. A dead cat could’ve made a better throw and STILL got Mayberry by 30 ft.

SB75

September 8th, 2011
12:35 am

Your not going to burn your pinch runner off the bench to replace a guy on defense that is not a defensive liability

Agreed! DSTC……. Those that have choosen Constanza over Jason are just looking for any reason to bench Jason these days. Jason has a gun, he just has to be more accurate. Bad throw, but no way as a manager do you pull Jason for defensive purpose, he’s above average.

NorCal Brave

September 8th, 2011
12:36 am

Yeah, the bullpen gave it up tonight, but this game was lost once again by multiple blown scoring chances. We get first two guys on in the 8th and fail to take advantage; then go-ahead run is left at 2nd in the 9th. This stuff extends way beyond the Phillies having great pitching……it’s been going on all season. No Braves pitcher, starter or reliever, has any room for error.

JC

September 8th, 2011
12:38 am

Phillies fan here. Much respect for the the author of this page and the braves fans commenting. Knowledgable, passionate fanbase.

Also love the Venters comments on the loss — he’s a guy I’d love to have playing on my team.

Best of luck down the stretch – you guys deserve to be playing in October.

DontStopTheChop

September 8th, 2011
12:39 am

Rows, yea he made a horrible play but theres no way you can assume thats going to happen going into that inning. Heyward and Constanza are pretty are pretty much on the same level defensively. Thats a pointless switch

IdahoBravesFan

September 8th, 2011
12:42 am

Rowsdower, Moylan just came off of rehab stints. Well, it didn’t turn out too well did it? Let him get some action in mid-relief after this series. Not when the game is on the line. Are you going to tell me Venters is not capable of one more inning or that O’Flaherty could not have gone one more and Venters could have pitched the 9th? We don’t have another guy that we can’t use?

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:43 am

I’m certainly not saying Constanza should have replaced Jason for defensive purposes and I apologize if that is what I portrayed. I am saying for a purported 5-Tool player, Heyward doesn’t have the arm to be in that category. That throw, from that distance, should’ve been cake. Winners want the ball hit to them in that situation. Stars make that play. I know J-Hey is a huge part of our future, but I just don’t think his head is in it right now. He panicked on that play when Mayberry was barely rounding 3rd. Even a marginal throw ends the inning. He went to the other end of the spectrum and made an absolutely horrible throw. That shouldn’t happen on what amounts to a relay throw from a guy with a strong arm.

DontStopTheChop

September 8th, 2011
12:46 am

I agree with that 100%, my comments earlier were jist in response to the guy that said Constanza should have been put in the game for defensive purposes

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:47 am

@IdahoBravesFan – Flats got 4 outs. That’s pretty damn nice from a middle reliever. Venters could’ve possibly gone back out there, but why? We still have a 7 game lead even if we lose. No reason to risk Venters going down in a game that doesn’t cost us the playoffs. There’s no reason to bring Kimbrel in for the same reason. He’s in if this is the playoffs. It’s not. We have to find out what we have with Moylan while we have a big lead.

I get fired up immediately after a loss, but when cooler heads prevail, we still have a 7 game lead with 20 games to play. Even if we take 1 game against the Cards this weekend it is going to be damn near impossible for them to catch us.

If we get swept…oh baby, this blog is going to light up like the 4th of July.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:50 am

Roger that, Chop. I don’t get to play the outfield much anymore (i’m a pitcher), but damn, I love it when someone tries to run on me. I take it as a personal afront and love it when I gun them down. That is the killer instinct I don’t see on this team. I really hope they find it in the last 3 weeks.

Mister Frisky

September 8th, 2011
12:51 am

JC You guys are the class of the NL.The Braves are still a distant second to the Phillies.I would be shocked if Philly is not standing at the end.

Ralph

September 8th, 2011
12:52 am

Moylan sucks, he is no better than Linesuck, check their stats.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
12:57 am

I second that notion, Frisky. The Phillies are clearly the best team in the NL this year. Anything short of a parade down Broad St. would be a disappointment.

Ralph, get a job. Moylan is coming back from back surgery and we need to find out if he is a viable candidate for the playoff roster. We already know Leadshrink isn’t.

TIRED OF MEDIOCRITY

September 8th, 2011
12:57 am

Chipper please do not talk about how you guys can beat the Phillies.No hitting and other than Beachy horrible pitching will add up to getting swept every time.Please I have had it with Lowe and Heyward as these guys continue to kill us with their horrible play.I hope Gonzalez does not repeat the same mistakes Cox has made and play veterans who have no business starting for this team especially if we are going to make an impact in the playoffs.

Mister Frisky

September 8th, 2011
12:59 am

Good Point Ralph,I never liked that cheese slinging Aussie wanker either.As soon as that 70 mph side arm straight ball comes up for air it’s tee off time.

Smitty

September 8th, 2011
1:00 am

HAHA DOB doesn’t even ask about Moylan facing two lefties and Kimbrel not even being used in the series. Baseball will never change when you have reporters like this guy who won’t even ask the questions.

panamajack

September 8th, 2011
1:03 am

I knew we couldn’t beat the Phils and I doubt we can beat the Mets tomorrow or the Cards after that.

Can’t blame the loss of JJ and Hanson for recent struggles, their replacements have pitched better than they did.

nashvillewill

September 8th, 2011
1:04 am

Yes, I have a suggestion. Moylan had no business being in there in the 9th, especially after batters are on base. Bring in Kimbrel. Tell him he’s in for two innings if the Braves score in the 10th. I have the feeling no one wanted a 10th inning so Moylan was left in to give the game up. Braves appreared hopeless and hapless in this series. Let’s hope they get it together for the Mets and win at least one of them. Then, with the Cards if Braves lose 2 or 3 we may be in some trouble.
FG describes the worst of all possible baseball worlds: no clutch inning, starting pitchers going 6 innings max, and a worn-out bullpen. Then he says we’ll turn it around. How, Fredi?
Maybe we’ll start hitting (Well, Prado and McCann are lost, Gonzo is hopeless unless he’s bunting.
Here’s a suggestion: bat Bourn, Constanza, Chipper, Freeman in that order. Shuffle the rest however you want since they’re not hitting. But best four hitters and OB guys give you a chance to score.
Also, when Bourn and Constanza get on turn them loose! Let them run or hit and run).
Maybe our pitchers will go more than 6 (not happening with Lowe or Beachy or Minor; try Teheran and Delgado and see what they can do with 100 pitches)
Maybe our bullpen will rejuvenate (What? If Teheran or Delgado give good starts move them into rotation for the rest of the year. Move Lowe to bullpen. Or if rookies are good first time or two through the order, move them to bullpen. Linebrink pitches when we have 6 run lead; V boys pitch when we have 3 run lead; Martinez pitches with two run lead. EOF and Venters alternate days.)
Some creativity is called for here. No time to panic, just think a little outside the box.

mathman

September 8th, 2011
1:05 am

Yes, Rick, I want Uggla to bunt, not hit in a DP. Runs were at a premium. Can’t depend on Uggla in clutch to not hit into DP. Don’t want Prado to bunt with runner on 2nd and no outs. Try to hit the ball to right like he used to do religiously last year. Braves are going to have to learn to move baserunners along to win in postseason.

DontStopTheChop

September 8th, 2011
1:05 am

Moylan is on the team to pitch in inings like that. Thats his job and he has to get back used to pitching in situaations like that. With only 20 games left you don’t have the luxury of easing him into big situations. Keeping him out of spots like that because he’s fresh off the DL won’t help him or us in the long run. Sometimes you have to think about more than this inning in this game. Still up 7 games in the WC

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
1:08 am

@nashvillewill – No offense, but burning Kimbrel for 2 innings with a DH tomorrow and a more important series against the Cards this weekend seems pretty damn stupid. We weren’t going to catch the Phillies. The concern is staving off the Cards. That battle will play out this weekend and we need our biggest gun ready to roll. If we can’t beat the Muts and Cards in the next 5 games, do we even want the Braves in the playoffs to get rolled by the Brewers?

johnpaulcpa

September 8th, 2011
1:12 am

Wild Card lead should be safe as St Louis goes to Philly next w/e for a 4 game series at CBP and the Cards have pitching deficiencies and chances are the Cards have to survive facing 4 ACES

I don’t like the Cards chances!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
1:16 am

Don’t put anything past the Phillies. If we tank against the Cards this weekend they may very well tank against them as well to put the hurt on us. Their idiot fans think Flats hurt Utley intentionally. Anything is possible.

bruce mac

September 8th, 2011
1:22 am

This is on Chipper running his stupid F ‘in mouth and the media that has decided the wild card race is over. When are you stupid morons going to quit messing with the baseball gods. IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
1:24 am

There are no baseball gods. The Phillies did what they’re supposed to do. Win against an inferior opponent at home. Something they haven’t been able to do in the playoffs.

Lisa

September 8th, 2011
1:38 am

@Rowsdower…I am a Phillies fan, but I do not believe he hit Utley intentionally. I really think he missed his spot. That is not a situation where you want to put Utley on base.

nr

September 8th, 2011
1:42 am

Phillies fan here. I liked reading the braves comments after the past three games so thanks for posting this. Braves fans don’t get too upset about the sweep. They are a good team. They also did not lay down during this series. They made an effort to win the games. Some teams like the Reds just seem to watch the game when we play them. The Braves will be in the playoffs and I hope they beat the over rated brewers. I hate that nyjer morgan. Don’t be too hard on Chipper I have a ton of respect for him. I love Mccann good player and good guy. Anything can happen in the playoffs good luck.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
1:51 am

I agree, Lisa. I’m not being hard on Chipper or Mac. I am being hard on Heyward for that ridiculous play in the 8th. He should’ve embarrassed Mayberry at the plate. He didn’t because he isn’t ready for Prime Time. Maybe we should’ve done with him what you guys did with Brown.

Phil Lunney

September 8th, 2011
2:07 am

With a little less than a month left, the Phillies are peaking. The Braves started out slow this year and then got hot. Again, they are a bit rocky, but with a little over 3 weeks left, it is time to “get it together”. Fredi has done a great job all year, mixing and matching his line ups. The key is to be ready for the post season and it looks like Milwaukee is the first stop. Let’s not get too hot too early, let’s leave that to the Phillies.

Phil Lunney

September 8th, 2011
2:19 am

After I made my comment, I went back and read all of the others. I think I’ll hear more positives from the GOP after Obama’s jobs speech, than I am reading on this blog. Lighten up guys, it is a game, people make mistakes, they get hot and cold. How about a few positive thoughts for a team that has been good all year (3rd best record in the NL). I’ll watch and listen again tomorrow, the radio guys make me smile, I need a relief from you “fans”.

@___ISH___

September 8th, 2011
2:19 am

If we lose the wild card then we definitely didn’t deserve to go to the playoffs anyway. Only real chance we have as I see it is if we could draw the Dbacks in the first round and hope that Milwaukee could knock off the Phils.

clay

September 8th, 2011
2:43 am

You people on here are to funny.

The Grinch

September 8th, 2011
2:46 am

Back away from the ledge, folks. It’s called a slump. Not the best time for one, perhaps, but it will be gotten out of before the playoffs. Have a little faith.

rc35

September 8th, 2011
2:48 am

The Braves had a chance to make a statement in this series. Unfortunately, the statement was, “We’re not a playoff-caliber team!”

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
2:49 am

I have faith…exactly a little. Kidding aside, I still don’t see how we can lose a 7 game lead with 20 to play. Just take care of business H2H against this Cards this weekend and it’s over.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
2:51 am

Actually, the Braves didn’t have any statement to make in this series because they are a playoff caliber team and will be in the playoffs. The Phillies had a blowout in the 1st game against the worst starter in baseball and then won 2 coin flips. If you don’t think the Braves could’ve won either or both of those games, you’re a homer douche. If you think you’re gonna see Lowe in the playoffs, you’re a damn fool.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
3:20 am

The only statement the Phoolies made was that they can beat an inferior team at home. Do that in the playoffs for a change and we’ll talk.

Cap tipping time

September 8th, 2011
3:30 am

if the dbacks heated up and overtook the brewers, why in the hell would you want to be facing the hottest team.. the cards just owned the brewers in the last 6 games.. taking 5 out of 6 including a sweep in milwaukee.
moylan, he pitched monday, he did good.. nothing wrong with sending him out there..

Pegg

September 8th, 2011
3:36 am

Rowsdower…

Heyward makes that play if he can stay in the lineup on a regular basis. Maybe I am crazy… but that kid is the future of this club and he needs to play through these struggles. He can’t be any worse at the dish than Agon and he he’s a plus defender when he’s consistently playing. He’s a power threat, he can run, he has a cannon, etc. Yes, that was a bad play on the throw home but that was all part of a Venter’s mistake…team game. Sure, say he’s Prime Time or whatever crap you want to put there to knock him down… but at the end of the day, at the end of every day… J-Hey is the RF of this ball club and Constanza does not start on any team in MLB… except Fredi G’s Braves.

Pegg

September 8th, 2011
3:40 am

If the Atlanta Braves “aren’t a playoff caliber team” after dropping 3 in a row (2 close ones) to the best team in the game… while still maintaining a big wild card lead and a great record…. then who in the hell is a “playoff caliber team”? What a stupid comment…

jonathan Simeone

September 8th, 2011
3:53 am

Fredi has this one exactly right. The starters don’t give enough innings–and haven’t all year. That’s catching up with the guys at the end of the bullpen. Added to that this team just doesn’t score enough runs. They have the least productive outfield in the majors leagues. In Gonzalez they have the worst everyday offensive player in the major leagues. Including the pitcher many nights there are at least three spots in the lineu;p that are near automatic outs.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
3:55 am

@Pegg – No doubt Heyward is going to be a fixture on this club for the next decade, but throwing is not a timing thing. That is a simple throw that any big league player should be able to make. If Bonds had been that close, Sid’s slide would’ve been for naught.

Heyward choked…plain and simple. The Phillies showed no respect for his “cannon” and rightfully so. He hasn’t demonstrated the ability to throw out a woman with a walker.

Rowsdower

September 8th, 2011
4:19 am

Jeff Francoeur has 24 OF assists in the last 2 years to date. Heyward has 6. No one fears his arm because they’ve figured out that he has no accuracy. Just like no one fears him at the plate because they know he cannot hit inside pitches and will ground meakly to 2nd on pitches down and away.

He’s 22 and has time to figure it out, but until he realizes he isn’t a complete player and puts in the time to make the necessary adjustments offensively and defensively, he will just be another Francoeur. A player that didn’t live up the hype. A least no one ran on Francoeur…

Stinger2

September 8th, 2011
5:15 am

My list of what the Braves need and don`t need to do immediately. Otherwise they are done enough to stick the fork in immediately.
1. Wake up. You have managed to lose a commanding WC lead.
2.Realize that the Cards and SFO want the WC spot perhaps more than you do.
3.Chipper needs to zip his lips.
4.Fredi needs to light a fire and quit tipping his hat.
5.The hitters need to realize that every at bat is important. The leave far too many runners in scoring position ending up with scoreless innings which puts unneeded pressure on the pitching staff.
6. Time is running out. A few more days like the last three (getting swept) will bring disaster.

NickGranite

September 8th, 2011
5:40 am

Well, at least Jonny Venters was honest. All the other guys were saying Polanco hit a heck of a pitch. I saw the ball was up and so did Venters.

NickGranite

September 8th, 2011
5:50 am

I’ve busted on Heyward a lot this year but this was not the game to bust him on. He was on base 4 times. On the throw to the plate, yeah, it could have been better but it was sharply hit and he had to move laterally to his left (instead of charge forward, scoop and throw) and then throw from his left. I think the ball was hit to sharply for him to get behind it in good position. The game was lost in the batter’s box again and the bullpen.

David O'Brien

September 8th, 2011
6:50 am

HAHA DOB doesn’t even ask about Moylan facing two lefties and Kimbrel not even being used in the series. Baseball will never change when you have reporters like this guy who won’t even ask the questions.Smitty

Baseball will never change when you have reporters like this guy? Hmmm. Smitty, you feeling alright this morning? Because I’m thinking it must have been heckuva night for you….

Oh, by the way, nobody asked about Moylan facing two lefties or Kimbrel not being used in the series for a couple of reasons: Lefties O’Flaherty and Venters had already pitched before the ninth inning, and George Sherrill is on the DL. And in case you missed it, Gonzalez reiterated the night before — when I asked why Martinez was used in the seventh instead of O’Flaherty in the seventh inning with the Braves down a run — that they made a conscious decision not to use O’Flaherty, Venters and Kimbrel late in the season unless the Braves were tied or ahead, due to their high workloads and concern that they would tire before the end of the year. That is, unless one of them hadn’t worked in a while and needed to get into a game.

Also, Gonzalez has said numerous times this season that, whether you or me or anyone else likes it or not, he’s not going to use his closer in a tie game on the road. The Braves never had a lead in the first two games of the series, and didn’t have a lead in the ninth inning last night.

None of the handful of reporters in Fredi’s postgame interview was murky on any of this, and we didn’t need to have him reiterate what he’d already said the night before.

So, yes, apparently you’re stuck with baseball as it is now.

stop2think

September 8th, 2011
6:55 am

Rowsdower: say what you will about the Ultey head hit. But Hudson hit Polanco in the elbow in 2010 which threw his game off the entire season, later requiring surgery to repair it. If I am not mistaken, Hudson his Polanco twice in the same elbow in 2010. Now the Utley beaning. After he plunks Utley he surgically throws right down the plate against Howard. Maybe it was intentional, maybe not. But I guess you won’t be upset if a Bastardo 95 MPH fastball hits Chipper’s knee in a couple of weeks, huh? Oops, just a missed spot, Chipper. No harm done.

Bill M.

September 8th, 2011
6:55 am

The problem with the Braves is the same as it’s been all season. Can’t hit with runners on. Prado & Constanza is not the answer in LF. This off season, they should consider trading Prado and Hanson or JJ and definitely Lowe. They would have to pay most of Lowe’s salary. He’s about washed up. Time for a change at SS. The young pitchers will be getting some valuable experience rest of season.

WTF

September 8th, 2011
6:59 am

Tough, real tough, loss.
Phils had very good starting pitching, good defense, clutch hitting and a bench that showed up late.
Sound familiar? They have patterned themselves on the winningest team in the NL from 1991 to 2004…and we all know who that WAS.
Hope Braves can hang on, but if they do, they’ll limp (literally) into the post season. And in case you haven’t noticed them Brewers is danged good.
Pray for Hanson and Moylen to return to form and for the best rookie pitcher I’ve seen in a while – Beachy – to light up the Brewers if he gets the chance.

Dtank

September 8th, 2011
7:07 am

Tremendous game by Beachy, He deserved better. Classy move by Venters owning up. It’s time to wake up fellas, ITS SEPTEMBER!!! Quit hat tipping and start base hitting.

Charlie

September 8th, 2011
7:14 am

The bullpen costs Beachy another win. Sad deal. This series with the Phillies is another Atlanta CHOKE job. They spit it out. Winners find a way to win. Losers reside in Atlanta. If the Braves do hang on, to get into the playoffs, they are one and done. There isn’t a clutch ballplayer in Atlanta. McCann should be on the bench for a few days. He hits nothing, runs the bases like little league, and is a defensive liability. Prado has been brutally bad. Gonzo is a joke at the plate…not a brain cell in his head.
The Braves should go home and count their money. They have no one to step up in September. They’ll probably pee down their leg the next 5 games, just like they did for three games in Philly.
What a sad collection of wanna be’s.

Pogo

September 8th, 2011
7:15 am

Another standard 0-4 for Prado. He is killing us.

Good grief Charlie Brown

September 8th, 2011
7:26 am

@Dtank: agreed about Beachy. another fine performance by a Braves pitcher wasted due to a lack of run support.

@stop2think: you should take the advice of your name. in what world does it make sense for EOF (not Hudson) to hit Utley just so he can pitch to Howard with the bases loaded? Polanco is fine and so is Utley…are you really that worried about one pitch in a series that the Phils basically dominated?

Double Zero Eight

September 8th, 2011
7:27 am

The Braves are a wild card team and nothing more.
They are intimidated by the Phillies.

Pete

September 8th, 2011
7:34 am

The Braves are 3rd rate compared to Philly. Not even close. It’s like the Falcon – Packer playoff game all over again.
Hopeless.

Eric Jay

September 8th, 2011
7:36 am

First of all, Dan Ugla will NOT/DOES NOT need to lay down a sac bunt no matter the situation. He is the guy who could potentially hit the 3-run jack that will give us the lead. I’m not paying 87.50 for dugout seats to watch Ugla lay down a sac bunt. Its almost an insult if I’m Ugla. You give him the respect by saying I have faith that you will come through in the clutch with RISP. Freddi should have tried to manufacter a run by having Gonzalez lay down a sac bunt in game 2 with runners at first and second with no outs. Gonzo strikes out (Shocking), followed by Cant stand yah, and then Hudson. We cant squander opportunities like this and EXPECT to beat even Arizona in the NLDS. Game three was better but give the Phills credit. We did nt let Pence and Howard beat us but old man Ibanez strikes again.

smiler grogan

September 8th, 2011
7:50 am

some of you computer managers crack me up. from the ridiculous advice to the proposed trades that make no sense, this has been a hoot.

i would note, however, that in the three days i’ve been reading this blog i haven’t seen much appreciation for the job the braves have done this year. as a phillies fan, we would win 8 out of 10 for much of the summer and not gain on the braves. both teams have had injuries. it seems to me that your manager has gotten pretty much out of the lineup he has; which, regardless of the homers on this board, wasn’t as good as philly’s. you should be thanking the front office for finding bourne at the deadline; he has turned into a very good cf.

i would look out for the retaliation when philly comes to the atl. beaning utley wasn’t cool, and wasn’t the first.

smoltz29

September 8th, 2011
7:52 am

The Phillies are our “Daddy”, outclassed, outpitched, and outmanaged!

Derek Lowe

September 8th, 2011
8:02 am

Yeah and don’t get your hopes up because I pitch again real soon. Freddi and Wren won’t change that. I make too much money. They all know my arm’s done, but the organization can’t afford to eat my contract, So guess what, I’ll pitch no matter what. Maybe I’ll even get to stink it up in the playoffs, if I don’t pitch the team out of it before then.

Bravestoldourwarchant

September 8th, 2011
8:04 am

There is no guarantee this team will make the post season..you have bradley on here saying the braves are going to coast to the wc..what happens if the braves are swept in NY then in STL? They’d be up just from 3.5 to 1.5…..I don’t see this team making the playoffs..they are folding like a deck of cards at the worst time

VABravesFan

September 8th, 2011
8:13 am

Sure, the Braves have been struggling, but remember last year? They had a 6 game lead over the Phillies at one time and ended up scratching their way into the postseason via the wild card. Not only that, but they played a much tighter series against the eventual world champs than anyone else.

The Braves still have a big lead in the wild card – one that they won’t relinquish. There’s no better time than now to be resting players, especially all the young rookies on the team so they are ready to battle when the playoffs come around. It’s tough to win games when you’re slumping, but they’ll get out of it soon enough and hopefully we’ll see them smother the Phillies when it really counts.

PeteInPhilly

September 8th, 2011
8:19 am

@Rowsdower: I gotta say that one reason I enjoy reading the comments here when there’s a Phillies/Braves series is that you bring an entertaining and intelligent analysis to the discussion. Sure you tend to lean towards the Braves, you’re a good fan. I do have to call you out on two comments on today’s discussion, though: Utley’s being hit and the Phillies losing against inferior teams in the playoffs. (I’m not even going to comment on your statement about the Phillies intentionally tanking on St.Louis to put a hurt on the Braves other than saying you probably said that in the heat of the moment and in fan-speak.)

Sure there are always going to be avid, tunnel-vision fans who will think “our guy was intentionally thrown at”. This was obviously NOT the case, though. O’Flaherty’s pitch was meant to be inside, but it was never meant to hit Utley. It makes no sense situationally. Load the bases for Howard? Throw at a guy immediately after a call is reversed and against the Braves? Especially if the batter is known to take being hit by a pitch? Never going to happen, and the vast majority of Philly fans knew that. Sure, we would have liked to see Bastardo give a brush back in the top of the next inning – that’s how you play the game – but not for a moment did we think O’Flarherty intentionally throw at Utley’s head. (Or any other part of him.) Oh, an update on Utley: He’s been diagnosed with a mild concussion and will miss the first two games in Milwaukee, but will otherwise be fine.

As for “The only statement the Phoolies made was that they can beat an inferior team at home. Do that in the playoffs for a change and we’ll talk.” comment, I’ll concede that we lost to the Giants in the NLCS last year and we probably should have beaten them. But you have to go back to the 2007 NLDS, when we were swept by the Rockies, before you find another arguably inferior team who beat us in the playoffs. When the Yankees beat us in the 2009 WS, they were not inferior to us. As for the other playoff series we’ve been in since 2007, we’ve dispatched the Rockies, the Dodgers (twice), the Reds (swept, including a no-hitter), and the Rays. Inferior teams or not, that pretty good overall.

Go Phillies and good luck to the Braves!

Rafael

September 8th, 2011
8:29 am

WHY are people continuing to make EXCUSES for Jason Heyward’s play???!!! It’s been one excuse after another ALL YEAR. If Heyward was a surgeon, he would have been FIRED by now or served with a MALPRACTICE suit. WHY won’t Wren and Fredi send Heyward to the minors for a “Christopher Columbus” stint to FIND his long lost swing???!!!

It was nice our beloved Braves “showed up” in Philly. If you are not able to watch the Braves in the upcoming Wildcard Playoff round, don’t worry because you got a glimpse of WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN from their play in the last 3 games. MGM Studios DON’T need to spend money on a NEW set for the movie “Custer’s Last Stand.” They can just replay the last 3 games in Philadelphia. I truly know what Custer felt like at the Little Big Horn after the Braves play vs. Philly.

You are correct Fredi, Matt Diaz sure “rakes lefthanders.” NOT!!!

With our Braves ship SINKING, I suppose we will lose both games in the makeup doubleheader in New York. It’s probably TRUE the way Fredi plays “Stratego” with the Braves lineup (insisting to play Scott “Proctor” Linebrink, Matty “Lugo” Diaz, and Jason “BUST” Heyward in games. Just wait, Derek “Kawakami” Lowe WILL get a start in the playoffs.

I should resign myself to the FACT that the Phillies are a much better team (light years ahead) of our Braves and realize the same old saying every Brave’s season, “WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR.” As Brad Childress says, “AND THAT’S A FACT.”

Atticus

September 8th, 2011
8:30 am

This is the difference between $180 million……and $85 million.

extremus

September 8th, 2011
8:30 am

I still remember a scene from the season finale of Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 1 (the episode was entitled “The Neutral Zone”, I believe). Toward the beginning the Enterprise had recovered and thawed out three 20th century people who had died and had themselves cryogenically frozen and shot into space. One of the people was some sort of country music singer with a twangy accent and laid-back demeanor.

Anyway, in this particular scene he asks Data to turn on the “TV” (a ship’s monitor in his quarters) because he wants to see if the Braves are on; he says he’d like to see how they’re doing after all these years. “Probably still findin’ ways to lose”, he says with a grin.

Obviously during the mid to late 1980s (when the episode originally aired) the Braves were a regular doormat and the city of Atlanta was known as “Losersville”. While certainly things have improved dramatically since then and it’s clear Atlanta no longer remotely deserves that monicker, our pro sports teams do still have an extremely frustrating knack for “finding ways to lose” when the national spotlight is on them. Buffalo has nothing on Atlanta’s fans with regard to postseason heartbreak; what many folks see as fair weather, apathetic fans here in actuality are fans who’ve been through so many disappointments that we’ve begun to take on a cynical expectation that the wheels will inevitably fall off of any season at most likely the worst possible time, no matter how promising it may seem initially.

And yes, that is another thing associated with Atlanta that I hope will change; hopefully the Braves and Falcons will begin finding ways to WIN the big games and restore confidence and pride in their fanbases. Whether fair or not, with the level of on-field talent and potential they’re at now, nothing less than world championships will do that.

Let's be honest....

September 8th, 2011
8:35 am

I’m am beyond p i s s e d by how this team played in this series, no excuses for getting sweep by the filthies….this sucks… we STILL need some offensive power on this team….

Lobosolo

September 8th, 2011
8:42 am

Bwahahahaha… you experts are hilarious… wah,wah,wah,wah,wah….. a-wah…… better get out while you can, armchairs… I seriously doubt y’all will be able to handle the playoffs without throwing your usual coniptions… what a bunch of WHINEY GIRLS!!!!!

George Washington

September 8th, 2011
8:44 am

How was the effort by the Braves?

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