Braves quotes after Tuesday loss to Phillies

FREDI GONZALEZ

On Hudson

“I don’t know how many he retired in a row after that first inning, but he did a nice job. We came back and it was 2-2 until they scored a couple of runs in that sixth inning. It was nice to see him get Mayberry to ground into that double play to end the inning, to end that threat so they didn’t add on more runs in the inning. They obviously added more runs later in the game.”

Why go to Martinez there, was it because you trailed?

“Yeah. Instead of who?”

O’Flaherty?

“We’re in a situation where all three of those guys – Kimbrel, O’Flaherty and Venters – probably lead the league in appearances. And we’ve made a conscious effort — especially after throwing two days in a row and having one day off for O’Flaherty – we’ve made a conscious effort not to use them when we’re down. [Use them] if it’s tied or better. Because if not, it’s a situation where we go in [to the end of the season] on vapors.”

On letting Worley off hook couple of times

“I think if you put a crooked number up, instead of putting up one run, if you come in and put up a three-spot or four-spot, a big number up, it changes the thing. Right now it’s not Huddy, it’s not O’Flaherty, it’s not ‘you should have used O’Flaherty instead of Martinez.’ We need to score some runs.

“It’s everybody. The whole gambit. Offensively we’ve got to score runs, and the other side of the ball, we’re just kind of not getting deep into ballgames. That’s been the whole big ball of wax. That’s the whole thing right now. And I am real confident, real sure that we’ll get it turned around.”

On Hudson in 1st inning

“Utley’s ball was the only ball hit hard that inning. But the ones that are not hit hard count also. I would like to have a couple of those [for Braves hitters] with people on base – maybe a couple of broken bats, a hit batter in the ass, or something, and get some runs.”

On Worley working out of jams

“For a young kid, I think sometimes looking across from him, you see the confidence. Maybe we call it arrogance because we’re in a different uniform, but they call it confidence. He made some nice pitches when he had to, even late in the game. I think he went over 110 pitches, and he still competed.”

On losing six of nine and seven of 11

“Again, we’ve got enough good players and I have enough confidence that we have the resiliency that we’ll get out of it and start clicking on all cylinders, like we know we can.”

***CHIPPER JONES

On wet field and rain most of the night

“Conditions were less than ideal, but both teams had to play in it. It was slippery and soggy, but both teams put on a pretty good show. We played well, they just played better.”

On letting Worley off the hook a few times

“We couldn’t get the big hit, and that’s what he’s done all year. If he’s gotten into trouble, he’s made pitches to get himself out of it. It was no different tonight. We had the bases loaded with nobody out, and he only gave up one. Couple other times, a gapper would have scored a couple of runs. But I give him credit. That’s the first time I’ve faced him, and he’s pretty good.”

On losing six of nine and seven of 11

“We’re falling behind early, and we’ve got a couple of guys at the top of our lineup who are scuffling a little bit. When the top scuffles a little bit, you struggle to score runs. You get behind early, you put some pressure on yourselves.

“It just seemed like they, for the most part, when they got hits they got three or four right there in a row to throw a crooked number up on us. Case in point, the first inning. Two quick outs, and then four base hits and we’re down two. And they did it again a time or two. Give them an inch and they’re going to take a mile.”

***TIM HUDSON

On his performance

“The first inning, couple of quick outs and then the homer to Utley with two strikes. That hurt right there. Then they managed to squeeze in another when Ibanez hit a pitch off the end [of his bat] and was able to drop it in there. I didn’t feel particularly great tonight, but I was able to go out and keep us in the game.

“That sixth inning, they just took advantage of some opportunities. Leadoff walk, obviously that ain’t something you want to do, I don’t care who is hitting. Even though it’s Howard and he’s usually pretty good in this park, you can’t walk him right there. You’ve got to make him earn his way on. Wild pitch right there wasn’t exactly how we drew it up. I don’t really know what to say.

“They had a couple of opportunities and took advantage of it. We had some opportunities throughout the night and they were able to wiggle their way out of it a little bit and limit our scoring. I felt like we let one get away. I’ve got to do a little better job myself. I’ve got to make some better pitches. This is a game we need to win. It’s a game we should have won.”

196 comments Add your comment

Mr. Enigma

September 7th, 2011
1:19 am

Fredi actually sounded irritated and annoyed. I like it.

Cap Tipper

September 7th, 2011
1:21 am

MVPrado!!!!!!!!!

Mister Frisky

September 7th, 2011
1:24 am

Even milk toast Fredi has seen enough of these guys.

ABravesFan

September 7th, 2011
1:25 am

Why did Fredi leave Huddy in to bat instead of pinch hitting him at the top of the 6th? I understand the need to rest O’Ventbrel but it was still curious that the Braves didn’t bring in EOF when the lead is cut to one. It almost looks like Fredi is sort of conceding this game in favor of the Mets DH and the St. Louis 3 game series.

Larry Drew

September 7th, 2011
1:25 am

This Fredi character sounds like me.

Whoop

September 7th, 2011
1:28 am

“Again, we’ve got enough good players and I have enough confidence that we have the resiliency that we’ll get out of it and start clicking on all cylinders, like we know we can.”

They’ve been saying that all year haven’t they?

NotThisAgain

September 7th, 2011
1:36 am

So. Basically if we aren’t winning by the time our starter is at 100 pitches we’re going to lose the game because Fredi refuses to use a reliever who we know can keep the game close.

Good job.

wallypip

September 7th, 2011
1:37 am

Do not understand using Martinez. The point is to win the freakin’ game. I live in Arizona, and though I’m a huge Braves fan, I have had to admire the way Kirk Gibson has infused the D-Backs with his gritty, never-say-die, scratch-to-the-last-out personality. The Braves are soft. Sorry, there’s no getting around it. Fredi won’t be able to do a Gibby on the Braves, ever, because Fredi ain’t Gibby. Wish he was. I’ll pull for the Braves until their eliminated. Something tells me I’ll still be able to root for the D-Backs after that.

Biff Pocoroba

September 7th, 2011
1:41 am

Did anyone notice that McCann switched signs when Utley was batting the second time up (and nobody on base)? Were they thinking that someone was giving him signals from the stands? Was there any talk in the clubhouse about that?

MJ

September 7th, 2011
1:46 am

@BiffPocoroba Seriously now…How many excuses can you people make for a Braves loss?

Braves803

September 7th, 2011
1:53 am

Fredi’s going to trot Freeman out there until he falls apart. It’s kind of obvious that he’s injured.

Orlando Cepeda

September 7th, 2011
1:57 am

Fredi:

“…so they didn’t add on more runs in the inning. They obviously added more runs later in the game.”

“I think if you put a crooked number up, instead of putting up one run, if you come in and put up a three-spot or four-spot, a big number up, it changes the thing.”

Ya think?

Wow! I’m almost afraid to say this here as it seems many of those bloggers like “Phil,” “Larry,” etc have suddenly disappeared. But, I rather be eliminated too from this writer’s blog than to be disingenuous, so I just have to say that this manager is just frankly–and scarily–kind of an air head!

He just destroyed the momentum of this offense a few weeks back upon McCann’s return; and since McCann’s return, he’s hitting like .140 with RISP yet this kooky manager still has him bating 3rd? Seriously, the most critical RBI lineup in the order and he’s still keeping the slowest runner on the team batting third?

And Prado–my favorite Braves player, by the way–is collapsing at #2 right now hitting behind Bourne so why not put him down in the order and trying someone else there for awhile?

As many have said before, if this kook of a manager is still running this team like this come the playoffs we are one and done! You can tell by Fredi’s elementary vocabulary you’re not dealing with a great intellect here but you’d like to think the manager of a professional baseball team in 2011 has some degree of common sense and logical discernment.

Rowsdower

September 7th, 2011
2:00 am

@Whoop – “They’ve been saying that all year haven’t they?”

And they’re 8 games up in the Wild Card. Seems pretty resilient to me…

Can any of you biching actually comprehend what it would take for the Braves to NOT make the playoffs? There is no improving our seeding. Catching the Phillies was just as much of a long shot.

We have 3 weeks to evaluate and determine who is going to help us in the playoffs. Burning up O’Ventbrel on a fool’s errand is asinine to say the least. Freeman needs time off to get his leg healed up. Hinske can play first and get some much needed ABs. We have to find out of Heyward is going to be a contributor and if the league has caught up to Constanza. We have to see if Moylan is ready to go.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN GAMES THAT AREN’T GOING TO CHANGE OUR PLAYOFF SEED.

Free Constanza

September 7th, 2011
2:03 am

Lineup for a week needs to be. Bourn, stanza, chipper, uggla, mac,Freeman (of Ski til Freeman is healthy) Prado, A gon

Chris Chambliss

September 7th, 2011
2:05 am

Yes, our starting pitching looks much weaker right now, but this has nothing to do with our putrid offense that has no injuries as an excuse. The Phillies are making us look like a farm team!

I think this team really could use a stronger and more respected presence at the manager position right about now! Don’t you just know if this were Charlie Manual’s team you’d hear a few chairs hitting the walls inside of the clubhouse! Sadly, this team has taken on the placid, docile personality of its manager!

Chris Chambliss

September 7th, 2011
2:18 am

Rowsdower,

I hear ya, agree on overusing the big three and obviously we can’t catch the Phillies or improve our position. However, neither is it easy to just flip a switch and suddenly become a consistent and productive offense to win 3 of 5 games.

But tell me, what is Fredi learning from McCann hitting 3rd or Prado hitting 2nd right now? Bourne is still hitting over .300 since his acquisition so, as I see it, our #2 and #3 hitters are bogging down this offense.

Free Constanza,

Spot on! The only question is why Fredi can’t see this! Baffling?

Rowsdower

September 7th, 2011
2:24 am

The Braves should play this weekend like a playoff series. Take 2 of 3 from the Cardinals and the Wild Card race is over. I would rest Freeman these next 2 days and hope he’s ready to go this weekend. Constanza looked pretty feeble at the plate tonight, so it might be time to see what Heyward can do a couple-3 games in a row.

The Cardinal series is where you put your cards on the table and see where you’re at (pun intended). Knock that series out and you can start setting your post season roster and rotation. Don’t take of business and then you fair weather fans might have legitimate cause for concern.

frustrated fan

September 7th, 2011
2:25 am

The starting rotation is in shambles and the bats cant carry this team. The pitching has to do it and its just not happening. Its frustrating to see this team regressing and in my honest opinion confidence looks like its wavering. I dont know what it is about having guys on base that makes the hitters strike out so much. I guess guys are pressing to get those guys in and thats not happening either. I dont think its the Phillies who are causing the braves problems. This team wouldn’t play well against anybody right now. Their not having any fun and the score board is showing it.

Are Braves going to Playoffs this year?

September 7th, 2011
2:25 am

Our Wild card lead cut down to 7 1/2 games.., We still have 1 more game with Phillies and then a doubleheader with Mets who are giving all kindsa problems to Braves this season. Then there is a 3 game series against Cards who could pull as close as within 3 or 4 games of braves with a series win against braves…, So all those talks about a comfortable lead in Wild Card is just trash…, Braves have to win the next 2 or 3 series in order to feel comfortable in the standings…,

Cap tipping time

September 7th, 2011
2:30 am

im blaming the stupid hurricane which threw the momentum the team had off…

prado needs out of the 2 hole

heyward needs to be in the lineup..

Rowsdower

September 7th, 2011
2:30 am

Chris,

You also don’t go balls out in meaningless games. Prado needs time to figure out how his approach with Bourn on. That will manifest good things in the playoffs. Mac is our best hitter. That is where you put your best hitter. Does anyone really think Mac is a determent to the team? Constanza might not even be the guy in the playoffs, so why bat him 2nd if Prado is going to go right back in that spot when it matters most? Freeman needs time to get that leg right. He was dragging it around all night. I love his trying to play through it (and avoid Chipper’s wrath), but we have a HUGE lead. No reason for him to push it and risk serious injury.

Going into the playoffs healthy is going to be the key. It killed us last year when Chipper, Prado, JJ and Wags went down. I don’t buy into the whole momentum nonsense. Momentum is that day’s starting pitcher. The offense will be fine. They need time to gel. This is that time. We are no more in danger of missing the playoffs today than we were yesterday.

Rowsdower

September 7th, 2011
2:36 am

@Are Braves going to Playoffs this year? – Wow…just, wow.

If the Braves go 10-11 the last 21 games, that is a 92-70 record. The Giants and Cards would have to go 17-3 in their last 20 games. Do you honestly think that is going to happen? Are you that much of a pessimist?

Prissy

September 7th, 2011
2:51 am

To Rowsdower: I disagree with you that “…we are no more in danger of missing the playoffs…”
That clearly is becoming an issue. The Phillies are putting the “whup” on and the Mets and Cards
also are beginning to warm up. The Braves seem to be cooling down at precisely the worst time.
I won’t be purchasing post-season tickets over the next couple days.

milo

September 7th, 2011
2:53 am

Correct, Prado needs out of the 2 hole, this thing with him having to take 2 pitches if Bourn is on the base is messing up what is good with him, BEING AGGRESSIVE. He needs to bat 5th or 6th.

Are Braves going to Playoffs this year?

September 7th, 2011
2:55 am

Rowsdower, Please look back to what happened to Padres last season with 10game lead and month to go…, and few years ago Mets screwed up a 7 game lead in last 2 weeks…, Looking at the way Braves are playing right now , all i am saying is there is no comfort zone for Braves….,

Rowsdower

September 7th, 2011
3:15 am

First off, the Padres didn’t have a 10 game lead with a month to go. They had a 3 game lead. Just like we did. On September 7 of last year the Padres lead was down to 1. We have an 8 game lead on the same date. Not a good comparison.

In 2007 the Mets lead by 3 games with a month to go. And don’t ever compare us to the Muts. They suck, we don’t. I’m not worried.

@Prissy – I don’t really care what the Phillies are doing. I haven’t for over a month when the division was pretty much out of reach. My eye has been on the Cardinals and Giants. We have opened up an 8 game lead on them. We get a chance to end the Cardinals half of the equation H2H this weekend. Even taking 1 game would cripple their chances. Taking 2 of 3 pretty much seals their fate. There just aren’t enough days on the calendar for either of those teams to make up 8 games. Again, i’m not worried.

Cap tipping time

September 7th, 2011
5:17 am

the giants have sufficient pitching to go on a roll.. and beltran is tearing it up…
if the lead is still at 8.. or higher by monday.. i’ll be ecstatic

NickGranite

September 7th, 2011
5:44 am

You know Fredi, there is the fan satisfaction part of baseball to consider. A lot of Atlanta fans were looking forward to this series. Fredi is basically saying if we’re not winning after six, we’ll strap it on again tomorrow. I’ve got a crazy idea, why don’t we clinch the wild card first then put our long relief guy in there when we obviously need a top notch guy in there to keep it to one run. We could easily clinch that playoff spot at least a week early if we play decent baseball.

NickGranite

September 7th, 2011
5:47 am

Prado is batting around .215 the last 30 games hitting behind Bourn. He’s damn near negated the value of the trade all by himself. 30 games is nearly a fifth of the whole season. It’s NOT working.

Tampa Gator

September 7th, 2011
5:53 am

What good does it do to have Prado take two pitches, both balls, and Bourn never tries to steal second base…..and not again on the 2-0 pitch (for a strike)….and then not again on the 2-1 pitch on which Prado hit into a double play. Why even trade for Bourn if he is not going to steal in that situation. That senaro completly confused me in this game. What the hell was Fredi thinking? If he manages the game like that in the playoffs, the Braves will be one and done. Might as well bring by Bobby Cox for the playoffs and let him have no strategy for winning the playoffs. There is good managing, and then there is no managing at all……last night….there was just bad managing.

terrell

September 7th, 2011
6:16 am

Braves, Hawks, and Falcons = the BIG TEASERS. They win just enough to get your hopes up.

Charlie

September 7th, 2011
6:45 am

Fredi is an idoit! His quotes…wow…does this guy actually hear what crap falls out of his mouth? “…how many guys (Hudson) got out in a row (in the first inning)…” TWO. The first two. Fredi is the worst manager in MLB, when dealing with his pitching staff. It’s like he goes totally brain dead. Pinch hit Hudson in the 6th, and bring in someone who can actually record an out in the bottom half. Not Fredi Bozo. He hits Hudson, who of course ends the inning with two on. Then Hudson goes out and chokes the bottom of the 6th. Martinez is called upon to give up two more, and seal the deal for the Phillies.
Chipper, about guys struggling at the top of the line up. First inning, Chipper comes up with two on, and takes a called third strike to end the inning. Typical Chipper. It’s always somebody else that’s struggling. Look at your own at bats, Mr. Jones. I noticed that you didn’t address the 1st inning.
McCann is hitting about 212. Prado does little. Gonzo is a zero, with a bat. Constanza is back to why he has been a career minor leaguer. Heyward has been a whole season of disappointment. Uggla does his hitting with nobody on, and Freddie Freeman is close to leading the team in strikeouts. What a playoff team!

When you add all that, to Fredi Bozo making managerial decisions, you’re going to lose. Great teams step up. Pretenders choke. It’s not hard to figure who is who.
For the second night, the Braves sent the Phillies a message. It was pretty clear what the message was.

stop2think

September 7th, 2011
6:50 am

ChrisChambliss: Manuel does not manage via temper tantrums. The successful managers, including Freddy, do not. Not sure what you’ve been reading about Manuel’s style but it aint right. Also, Biff, are you serious about Utley getting signs from somone in the outfield stands? Coffee almost blew out of my nose when I read that. What else you got for us, you comic genius you?

Ralph

September 7th, 2011
6:54 am

Prado needs to go up to the plate and be aggressive even ignore Broun if he is on base, we don’t have anybody else besides Chipper that can do any better in the 2 hole.

panamajack

September 7th, 2011
6:58 am

I see nothing wrong with Prado bunting to move Bourn if there is nobody out, got to get him to second base where he can score should we get lucky and the ball accidently finds somebodys bat.

NorCal Brave

September 7th, 2011
7:04 am

It’s like Fredi just woke up and realized the offense is horrible. No worries, though, Chipper says we can take the Phillies in the playoffs.

mjn99

September 7th, 2011
7:11 am

I think it’s time to face reality here. The Braves are a good team, not a great team. I believe they are more of a middle of the pack team despite their record. They are definatley going to make it into the playoffs, but so what? They are going to exit really quick. They just do not have it in them. This Philly series was important to show Philly what they were made of, and the whole team simply did not show up. This is not what a championship club does. It is what a mediocare club does. There is simply no fire in this team and I do not know why. It seems as if they do not even believe in themselves.

So I think it’s time to stop wishing and hoping for things that are not going to happen. If San Fran didn’t basically collapse for awhile, the Braves would be looking at catching them for the wild card. They are lucky.

All year everyone kept saying, it’s only April, it;s only May, it’s only June, well it’s Sept and this team is not that good. The hitting was never really there, except for some periods of time, while the pitching which carried them over months simply wore down. That’s it.

The only thing that is going to happen is that this team will continue to disappoint and aggrevate anyone who follows them. Until I see the fire that I have for this team in the players that play for them, I give up caring.

dawg4u

September 7th, 2011
7:12 am

Phillies again dominating the Braves in September. I don’t think they can back up Chipper’s claim that the Braves can take them down. The Phillies are just far and away the better team. Our only advantage is the bullpen but their starters are far superior and so is the starting eight.

I blew it

September 7th, 2011
7:15 am

Hello up there Hurricane did not mess up braves…Try the players startin with chippless Jones did and friends….Lose two of 3 to team we can beat swept….Lose 2 of 3 to flubs(cubs) and Nats also…and ruin it show Bobbycox in stands for petes sake…Braves n freddi n owner do not have Bobby cox at home games please n no throw out ball in Game 3 here vs arizona in divisonal series best of 5….if do we done…n be Phillies vs arizona instead in NL CS …of course brewers may ruin sillies too also….But alas i Fightin Phils vs Hot air diamondbacks for see who go to world series!

Chris Chambliss

September 7th, 2011
7:33 am

stop2think ,

Admittedly, my comment about “chairs hitting the walls” was hyperbolic, but don’t fail to miss the primary point…that at times you need a manager (a leader) to get in your grits if he senses at all a lack of passion and enthusiasm. This does not fit Fredi’s personality.

Like the horribly missed call a couple of games back when Uggla was called out at second base when it wasn’t even close. Fredi jogged out, made a few unemotional comments, and then jogged back to the dugout to get a drink after such a long run. Bobby Cox would have needed to be restrained!

Don’t think for a moment the players don’t pick up on this. Worse, they appear o be adopting this same lethargic and indifferent attitude the past few games.

I pitched and played RF in high school, college, and spent four seasons in the Cardinals farm system, making it as high as their AAA team, the Memphis Redbirds, my last two seasons before finally giving it up (good fastball but couldn’t master a major league alternative pitch). I can tell you first hand the players can feel the difference when their manager exudes passion and enthusiasm. And no, you don’t need a volcanic personality like Billy Martin, but at times you do need a good kick in the pants.

I know of more than a couple of guys that have played for Fredi and the consensus of opinion is the same…nice man, encouraging, pleasant to be around, but an intelligent and innate leader he is not! The brighter and more educated players pick up on this…trust me!

Dtank

September 7th, 2011
7:41 am

I think we need Chipper in the 2 hole. He can hit with 2 strikes on him, also he knows how to move a runner over if he needs to. I love Prado but needs to be dropped in the lineup till he get it right.

Really?

September 7th, 2011
7:42 am

We will make the playoffs whether we continue to play badly or not. Badly is defined as 11-11 for the 22 games remaining (or 10-11 I forget how many are left). For St Louis or Arizona to catch us they have to go 19-2. Think that will happen. Really?

alex

September 7th, 2011
7:42 am

Orlando,we(as in me and phil and larry and MO) are simply tired of the same old FG crap,at least I am. As I have said FG won’t win you any games but he will loos e the team 6-10 games a year. We’re not as good as the phillies, they spend a lot and they get a lot. That being said, I hope prado get’ws going as he has carried this team for almost 2 years. Good to see that chipper blew his nose and decided to play some baseball. Those september colds can be devastating….Sheeesh

terrell

September 7th, 2011
7:48 am

“The brighter and more educated players”? Oh, you mean the ones who DONT give up. And the ones who’d continue to work on other pitches, especially if they’d made it all the way to AAA? Gotcha.

Chris White

September 7th, 2011
7:48 am

BEST BULLPEN IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, DO NOT LEAVE YOUR STARTER IN WHEN HE KEEPS GETTING INTO TROUBLE!

Come on now..

September 7th, 2011
7:52 am

The fact that Freddy didn’t use another guy (instead of Martinez) is irrelevant. Everyone in the pen has to be able to come in and gets outs and Martinez is more than capable. But I’m ELATED to see Freddy say we need to hit better, finally! He finally got fed up with the lack of offensive execution in clutch spots.

The_Eagle_Has_Landed

September 7th, 2011
7:54 am

The Braves will make the wild card. The Phillies will not come off the gas perddle until they have home field clinch. Frankly, I am a huge Phillies fan. I trully respect the job the Braves have done. Your manager, should be manager of the year. The Braves are to be admired on a great season and not throwing in the towel when you look at just how good the Phillies are. Chipper Jones and McCann to me are 2 players I really admire. You will be in the wild card, you will give the 1 year hit the brewers all they want, and we will meet for the NL championship, exactly what the 2 best teams in the league should do.

Chris Chambliss

September 7th, 2011
8:03 am

terrell,

It’s spelled “don’t,” and the cool dudes that are too lazy to capitalize their names are excluded from those I referenced as bright and educated.

And yes, at 25 years old, I walked away on my terms from this game of baseball and entered the business world. I have been most fortunate, thank you!

I drive a black Range Rover that I wrote a check for, and you?

Good grief Charlie Brown

September 7th, 2011
8:03 am

saw an interesting stat on the tv broadcast last night: with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs, the Braves have the lowest number of RBIs in the majors at 129. does anyone know the Braves’ overall BA with RISP? i’m guessing it’s around .240 (or lower).

Prado needs to be moved down in the lineup…now!

terrell

September 7th, 2011
8:09 am

lol. Who cares what you drive Mr. spellcheck? How long before you GIVE UP on the business world? Quitter. lol

leftrecursion

September 7th, 2011
8:11 am

Free Constanza


Lineup for a week needs to be. Bourn, stanza, chipper, uggla, mac,Freeman (of Ski til Freeman is healthy) Prado, A gon

I’m with this dude, both Prado and McCann are killing this lineup right now. Sit Prado, put constanza in left, let Heyward play and push McCann down to the 6 hole until he shows he can do more than give the pitcher cold as he swings for the fences every time he’s up.

George

September 7th, 2011
8:11 am

Need to know how to WIN.
They know how to Lose.

bustersonly

September 7th, 2011
8:13 am

I predict the braves will be in the playoffs then who knows what will happen, take last year the Phils were clearly the best team in the NL but fell flat, any team can get hot or lucky and beat a better team but the odds are clearly in the Phillies favor. All we can do is hope we get on a big wave at the right time and ride it all the way.

Braves = choke

September 7th, 2011
8:15 am

Nice pitching. This team won;t even beat the brewers. Losers.

leftrecursion

September 7th, 2011
8:15 am

There’s no big wave coming dude, this team sucks with RISP.

Donovan

September 7th, 2011
8:20 am

I hate to say, I told you so, but I told you so. The Phillies are eating the Braves lunch like fat bullies and are playing king of the mountain with great delight. Fredi G is doing what he is only capable of doing and that is struggling as a manager. Our starting rotation is a joke and outside of the vaunted three, our relief pitching is a joke, as well. Outside of Chipper and Uggla, there is no offense. I want to see them win. You want to see them win. However, Atlanta will not fill seats as long as this product is put on the field.

Aaron

September 7th, 2011
8:21 am

terrell,

It is pretty obvious that “Chris” owns your ignorant, Atlanta Public School System, arse. Is this your day to log-in to the GA Department of Labor website to collect another unemployment check for that job you held for 9 days?

Man, just log off and pull your pants up over that nasty crack in your butt, take a good, clean bath with lots of soap, change those week old panties you wear, and the Waffle House just may let you wash some dishes!

Rafael

September 7th, 2011
8:21 am

“Yeah. Instead of who?” Fredi, obviously in “Managing 101″ you haven’t learned that you DON’T bring in Christian Martinez, Scott Linebrink, and for that matter Derek “Kawakami” Lowe in a CLOSE ballgame!!!!!! Great thinking Fredi, it was that same kind of thinking sunk the Titanic.

THANK GOD the Falcons are starting real play Sunday. At least I have something positive to look forward to. The way Fredi “manages” translates to a QUICK exit from playoff ROUND 1. Lowe, Linebrink, and Martinez against Braun and Fielder of the Brewers…. KABOOOM… POWDER RIVER!!!!! Yes it’s TRUE, Fredi will pitch the 2 forementioned WASHED UP BUMS in the playoffs. Maybe Florida wasn’t wrong in dumping our beloved Fredi, think about it. I think about it ALOT in many of his managing decisions.

“Matty” Diaz is SURE a POSITIVE addition to our offense and defense… NOT!!!!!!! Another BUM Fredi will start in the playoffs (”Matt Diaz rakes lefthanders” you know).

Will anyone else admit Jason Heyward is a BUST!!!!!!

In closing, WHY is Scott “Proctor” Linebrink still in the majors???!!! I have my answer… FREDI.

bustersonly

September 7th, 2011
8:25 am

There’s no big wave coming dude, this team sucks with RISP.

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Your probably right but anything can happen in a 5 or 7 game series, if you have no hope whatso ever then why watch them or even bother to get on this blog, just go away quietly.

Aaron

September 7th, 2011
8:26 am

leftrecursion ,

Agreed.

We’re not hitting, so why not load up the top of the order with speed and contact hitters and start bunting and slapping the ball around some and scrap out a run here or there? Hell, at least it would be more fun to watch than swings and misses, pop-ups, and double plays coming from Prado and McCann right now! Just may kick-start this offense!

But then, this is the same manager that had Heyward leading off and Gonzalez batting second for so long, remember?

Aaron

September 7th, 2011
8:30 am

Rafael,

Touché!

Our only hope in the postseason with this corpse for a manager is shutout pitching and a homer or two! Come to think of it, this sounds sadly familiar to his predecessor!

don schell

September 7th, 2011
8:33 am

Do not worry. The Braves will not get to see the Phillies in the playoffs. They will watch the Phillies on TV

tom varacalli

September 7th, 2011
8:36 am

Prado, Gonzalez and since the injury (McCann) really haven’t played that well all year. Who knows what happened to Heyward. His swing looks worse than when Frenchy was tearing up the dirt. If FG is playing Gonzalez because of his “defense” he should let Jack Wilson give it a shot. Much more consistent with the bat and not a bad glove either. The starting pitching will probably have to be carried by the young guys (which is not a good sign for the playoffs).

mountain_jim

September 7th, 2011
8:36 am

ABravesFan said it first – I will say again – I knew Fredi had blown any chance to win this game again by sticking with Huddy rather than pinch hitting with 2 on and 2 out and behind and the rain coming – I am really starting to get ticked at his decisions.

And leaving McCann at 3 when chipper would be much better there – by the time chipper and Freeman get on, the bottom of the order has no ability to get them in.

DIsgusted with this game and his decisions frankly, glad that Falcons Football cranks up this week so I can transfter my Atlanta Sports Team Interest to them.

Maybe Fredi learns something by the playoffs – but I doubt it – assuming he and this team don’t blow that as well.

Andy

September 7th, 2011
8:37 am

It sounds like Fredi got pretty defensive about the Martinez-O’Flaherty issue. In my mind, there’s no doubt he realizes he made the wrong decision. The role of your top relievers is to pitch in games where the outcome is in doubt. The idea that protecting a three-run lead is more important that staying at a one-run deficit is delusional.

The Shark

September 7th, 2011
8:40 am

The Braves are toast. A quick out in the playoffs, 3 games, 4 games tops.

Reggie

September 7th, 2011
8:41 am

19-20 games ago the Braves were one of the hottest hitting teams in baseball with Bourne, Constanza, Freeman and Uggla tearing it up. Then McCann and Jones come of the DL, Fredi pops McCann in at 3rd, starts sitting Constanza, pushes Freeman down to 5th or 6th and completely destroys the momentum, balance and chemistry of the offense. Remember everyone talking about how now the Braves “can beat you in so many different ways now” just three weeks ago?

What a complete F-up by an inexperienced and unproven manager!

Why is it Fredi can’t see that that this batting order is so obvious needed right now?
Bourne
Constanza
Jones
Uggla
McCann
Freeman or Hinske
Prado or Heyward
Gonzalez

Blackberry Cobbler

September 7th, 2011
8:42 am

Chipper says the top of the order is struggling.

Exactley what has he done lately?

Pot calling the kettle black.

terrell

September 7th, 2011
8:48 am

Damn Aaron, you sound like a queer. Is Chris your boyfriend. lol Speak when spoken to. Clown.

terrell

September 7th, 2011
8:54 am

A triple A quitter should never talk shizz about MAJOR Leaguers. Whether it be the Coach or the players. You should be ashamed. And then have the nerve to come back with “I’m a business man with a Range Rover. Yeah whatever. lol. I bet Aaron does most of the driving huh? lol

Navigator

September 7th, 2011
8:54 am

The Braves should have said they weren’t as good as the Phillies and the pitching staff may not be good enough to get them to the wild card.

Reggie

September 7th, 2011
8:58 am

Mr. O’Brien.

I’m sure it was uncomfortable asking Fredi about Martinez, but thanks for the willingness to ask the tough and sensitive questions for your readers.

I don’t know if you can or should answer this, but, because of your closer look that the rest of us, I for one would be curious what you would do to ignite this offense…leave it as is or tweak it here of there.

I’d guess that Fredi reads the news too, but certainly he can’t be offended by your honest opinion as a Braves fan like the rest of us…assuming you are a Braves fan (likely you are, but understandably if you’re not and are just doing your job).

terrell,

Seriously man…grow up!

benchwarmer

September 7th, 2011
8:59 am

Yep, Braves all year just can’t get it going on a consistant basis. I think Chip needs to shut up as long as he watches a callthird strike with two runners on. Leadership by example, his supposed way, is a joke. The point people is to win games. What happened to playing the hot hand? Where do Prado and Mac fit right now in that scheme? I’m tending to believe like some others that Fredi G. is about half of what is needed. Let Freeman rest before he falls apart.

Henry P.

September 7th, 2011
9:03 am

The Braves are a very flawed team. Totally inept offensively and after 140 games this is not going to change. A. Gonzalez has been awful and will continue to strike out or hit into a double play. He should not be batting in crucial situations from the 7th inning on. You guys overrate Martin Prado. Remember, he started slumping before his season ended last year and he has been going down hill since. Now, he is just a mediocre player who’s day in the sun is over. It was pointed out that the Braves are last in the league in getting runs in from 3rd base with less than two outs. The Braves will not win consistently in big games because they are not fundamentally sound. Unable to advance runners, hit sacrifices, or stay out of double plays. Why get Bourn if you are not going to use his speed but wait for Prado to hit into a double play. You can be satisfied with Chipper hitting .270 but I can ‘t. Chipper used to rake even when he made an out. Now you can count on him with weak pop ups and groundouts. His batting average with men on base is a joke. When has Chipper had meaningful RBI’s. In fact, all of the Braves hitters are at their best until someone gets on. Uggla and Chipper strike out in the first with no men on. Later, they get hits with no one on. If Mc Cann isn ‘t hitting then his defensive liabilities show up more. He cannot catch. How many passed balls or awful throws to second. Man, I have not broken down Jason Heyward and his failures and a few of the other Braves disappointment. Well, the Braves are fortunate to sit where they are because this really is not a good team when they are put on the field to produce.

Steve

September 7th, 2011
9:03 am

The Braves are trying hard to blow their wild card lead. Where is their fire? I am beginning to think the hiring of Milktoast Fredi to lead this team was a mistake. I miss the days when the manager had the fire to take on all comers for his team.

Rick

September 7th, 2011
9:03 am

“Chipper says the top of the order is struggling.

Exactley what has he done lately?

Pot calling the kettle black.”

lol are you serious dude? 333 avg last 7 games, 357 in September, 359 in August.

bill

September 7th, 2011
9:04 am

I am confused. We have played 140 games and we are trying to figure out what to do when Bourne’s on base? Winning playoff teams don’t worry about that they take signs from the manager do what their told. Do it well and win. Baseball is not rocket science. Don’t hang a curve ball in the first inning with two out and two strikes and Utley up to bat. I like Hudson but that homer ended up costing us another run. Next time he gets in trouble he walks the leadoff batter and throwing a wild pitch. But he did say it wasn’t on purpose. The Phillies look much slicker defensively. They are at .988 fielding percentage we are at .985. That means in a thousand chances we make 3 more errors than they do. They get to more balls than we do and their outfield looks settled and in control. They also make our arms look weak. For a team that is in the playoffs we look more patchwork this year than last. We have been schooled in baseball the last two nights. Hit and run taking the extra base preventing our runners from taking the extra base. Last night when we took third and second by hustling I and everybody else seemed amazed. The Phillies do that routinely. We can beat them because the playoffs are a crap shoot but I think there is no doubt they are a superior taem. GO BRAVES

Jacob

September 7th, 2011
9:04 am

terrell,

He didn’t say he “quit.” He implied pretty clearly that he took it as far as his talent would take him and then, rightly so, moved on to the next chapter in his life rather than hanging on too long. No shame in that!

You seem to be a bitter, jealous and angry person. What happened…is that “change” you voted for not working out so well? LOL!

Mark

September 7th, 2011
9:05 am

If only we had Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrel in the 90’s. This team is DONE. Starting Pitching Sucks, Hitting Sucks, and the Manager plays NOT TO LOSE! You may not catch the Phillies, but at least show them that they have some Competitition awaiting them in the playoffs. To put Martinez out there in a 4-3 game when you still have a chance shows that this manager has ovaries instead of balls. Fredi Gonzalez=Bobby Cox Light

a concerned fan

September 7th, 2011
9:09 am

its time mccann was dropped to 5th in the batting order

bill

September 7th, 2011
9:10 am

How can Freeman and Chipper take third strikes for the second and third out. Freeman did not even blink, Chipper looked disgusted with himself. We feel you Chipper we were disgusted too. We had the bases loaded and noone out and got one run. OH Hell maybe tonight. GO BRAVES

Another GM

September 7th, 2011
9:12 am

The game I watched last night was the Phillies were aggressive and the Braves hitters just went through the motions. The Braves are intimidated by the Phillies.

Rob from NJ

September 7th, 2011
9:13 am

A few thoughts from a relatively unbiased observer.reader (yes, I’m a Phillies fan but have no hatred for the Braves. The Mets are a different story).

1 – The Braves will win the wildcard. I understand why you’re all starting to doubt, but if nothing else, the Cards/Giants just aren’t good enough to go on the kind of winning streak that is required.

2 – The Phillies have made a lot of good teams feel pretty bad about themselves this year. The Braves are no worse than the 4th best team in the NL (not middle of the pack as a couple said), and I would say 3rd best, also behind the Brewers.

3 – Resting your backend relievers is smart, if frustrating for people who stayed up late to watch the game. The way they were getting used in the 1st half it was clear they’d be washed up by the postseason.

4 – Right now your starting pitching isn’t good enough to complete in the postseason. Sorry, but it’s true. You need to be better in at least one phase of the game than your competition, and I don’t see where the Braves are better than the Brewers on offense (certainly not), defense, or pitching. Pitching is the one that could improve, with health and people playing to potential.

5 – To those commenters late last night saying the difference is the Phillies willingness to spend money, you’ve got the cause and effect wrong. Phillies are spending money because they have it. Management has NEVER been willing to spend over budget and take a loss, hence all those losing years. The only reason payroll is one of the tops in the league is that support is sky high – not just tickets, but in every way. And no, having a top payroll does not guarantee success (see NY Mets, 2009). You need to know what to do with it, and the Phillies have. I’m sure the commenters on here are dedicated fans – probably need more like you to support the team 100% to give them financial resources to get over the top. Otherwise, keep developing talent from within and maybe 1-2 years from now you have some more low priced stars on your hands.

Phils fan

September 7th, 2011
9:16 am

..reports say the braves watched the “Tony the Tiger” commerical over 30 times together in the club house before last nite’s game. now what?

Double Zero Eight

September 7th, 2011
9:18 am

As much as I hate to admit it, the Phillies are
a better team. I don’t see them getting pass the
Phillies in a playoff series. It is possible, but
will take a “perfect storm” for them to do so!

Phils fan

September 7th, 2011
9:20 am

oh, the giants ain’t going nowhere. not unless the d-backs go and pull a mets. don’t see it. the cards are done too.

jmor

September 7th, 2011
9:20 am

Freddie is basically saying that if they get behind by the 6th inning he won’t waste his top relievers because he knows the offense will not score any more runs…The starters are giving up 2-3 runs early and the game is over with that formula.

John Bear

September 7th, 2011
9:20 am

Right now the Phillies walk out on the field with the attitude of knowing they are going to win – even with a rookie on the mound – Braves don’t seem to have that.

bvillebaron

September 7th, 2011
9:22 am

Andy:

Actually Fredi gave a very cogent explanation for why he pitched Martinez rather than O’Flaherty which apparently you and the other critics cannot grasp. Unlike some of you who feel that winning a game on 9/6/11 which won’t change the Braves’ playoff seeding regardless of the outcome, Fredi has his eye on the important stuff–you know the playoffs. The manager’s role is to not burn out your top relievers BEFORE the playoffs. Do you really think that Gonzalez wouldn’t have managed the game differently if this was the playoffs? Gimme a break.

Chop101

September 7th, 2011
9:22 am

Last nights game appeared to be vintage Braves baseball. Even when the Braves loaded the bases, it was a miracle that Gonzo hit a sac fly and not his usual K, infield popup or his favorit trick to turn, the rally killing double play. Its funny how you can somehow sense the result of a player at the plate. Maybe its just exreme pessimism that is validated by chance… years of watching Braves baseball has a way of turning people like myself a bit jaded.

Clearly, the Braves are not the better of the two teams, but if they get an opportunity to play Phillies in the Playoffs, then all they have to do is play better baseball than them for four out of seven games. Not impossible, but this series is making me feel like a fool for believing it could happen.

It would be oh so sweet to see this Braves team crush the Phillies chances of another world series. If that happens, I will wear a smile all through the offseason thinking of all those Phillie trolls that bash this team and its fans.

Phils fan

September 7th, 2011
9:26 am

I did just notice that the cards and braves play 3@stl and the cards play 4 at a tried phillies club. braves are getting no doubt. but they need to put the cards in their place. and I think they will.

Rick

September 7th, 2011
9:31 am

“Freddie is basically saying that if they get behind by the 6th inning he won’t waste his top relievers because he knows the offense will not score any more runs”

No he was basically saying he is trying to save his top relievers’ arms for the post season. It’s extremely unlikely the Cards or Giants are going to past the Braves in the WC, so it’s time to start conserving those overworked guys in the bullpen.

bvillebaron

September 7th, 2011
9:32 am

Rob from NJ:

Nice analysis and most of your points are valid. As a Braves’ fan living in central Pennsylvania however I noticed that you conveniently failed to mention the primary reason why the Phils are presently so healthy financially: my tax dollars built that stadium for them which has now become a cash cow, especially since the Phils with their recent success are probably second or third only to the Yankees and Red Sox in band wagon front running fans. There wasn’t enough attendance and other fan support to enable them to keep Rolen and Schilling before we built their new stadium for them was there?

Phils fan

September 7th, 2011
9:32 am

have you seen fg manage a play-off game? these rain outs and poor showings with risp are beginning to catch up to the braves too. anything can happen in the playoffs. I was a kid when the mighty mets and the’re 11-1 record vs the mets went down the tubes in the nlcs. and the phillies/braves are far from that head-to-head.

Chop101

September 7th, 2011
9:35 am

Bvillebaron:

I agree with your last post. The fact that Fredi is cognizant of his relievers work load is a plus. Further, the thinking that he would have approached the situation different in the playoffs is a true inspiration for hope. However, nobody has seen Fredi manage in the playoffs and so, all we can do is assume and hope for the best.

Phils fan

September 7th, 2011
9:38 am

hey, I worked for the phillies as an intern of sorts during those days. it was the cheap blanks in the front office who wouldn’t spend any money. that’s why curt left. the other dude laughed at the cash and went and won himself a ws in st. he’s a weird dude though. ask everybody he’s played with.

Damon Dingle Barryhill

September 7th, 2011
9:44 am

Skid in September, dominate in October.

Dianne Mize

September 7th, 2011
9:53 am

I do not like how Fredi manages his pitchers. I think his failure to replace faulty pitching quickly enough along with his not sending out his best arms when they are need the most has caused us to lose several games we otherwise very well would have won. He can get testy, but the buck stops with him. We’ve got no chance for October if he keeps this up.

Elmer

September 7th, 2011
9:59 am

Get Jason in there!

billmaier lets not run keep double play in order

September 7th, 2011
10:01 am

great questions DOB– ONE YOU LEFT OUT FREDI- WHY IN THE LAST SEVERAL GAMES YOU STOP RUNNING and why not hit and run bourn on a 2-1 count to prado to stay out of the double play?

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