Diaz returns, maybe can help Braves beat nemesis Nats

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Shaun

August 31st, 2011
4:48 pm

Threadkiller, Actually I’m looking at performance over stats. I’m only looking at the stats that are indicative of performance, not just the baseball card stats, which many of you look at.

No, I don’t think Bourn will suddenly perform better just because he plays for the Braves. And I don’t know if we’ll start to see a noticeable decline in his performance while with the Braves. That depends on if they re-sign him and, if they do, for how long.

Plus, even if he declines, doesn’t mean he won’t be tremendously valuable to the Braves or some other team. But it seems you and others don’t get that when a player is in decline, it doesn’t mean he’s worthless. It just means he’s worse than before, worse than he was at his peak, worse than he was in his best seasons. In case you haven’t paid attention to baseball history, players don’t peak and keep up peak performance until the day they retire, unless maybe they retire in their early 30’s or something.

Lew

August 31st, 2011
4:49 pm

Salmon Dude – You have a scroll wheel? Use it.

phil

August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm

coach

August 31st, 2011
4:44 pm
Braves acquired Edgar Renteria from Reds and released Lugo
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What next? Re-aquiring Andruw Jones? Why not activate Smoltz while we’re at it….

Threadkiller

August 31st, 2011
4:51 pm

I just used my scroll wheel!

T for Texas

August 31st, 2011
4:51 pm

The talk of Ozzie Guillen going to the Marlins cracks me up. How long before Ozzie goes on an honesty filled tirade about Jeffrey Loria that costs him his job. It’s like when a someone you know who is a big boozer starts dating someone that doesn’t drink at all. That relationship is on the clock from day one.

urban redneck

August 31st, 2011
4:51 pm

why is everybody still talking constant shirt about heyward? we only had 2 rbi’s last night, both by heyward.

Dumbfound

August 31st, 2011
4:52 pm

Chop Chop

August 31st, 2011
3:58 pm
Diaz is a huge addition. Kind of reminds me of when we got Fred McGriff. The Ted will be rocking tonight.

Surely you are not comparing Matt Diaz to Fred McGriff ?! :???:

phil

August 31st, 2011
4:52 pm

Exactly on Wayward….not only does he stink but of late, so do the rest of em…..

Hugo Z Hackenbush

August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm

Gotta love Shaun. After someone points out to him that “regress” can indeed be a synonym for “decline” out here in the real world, he claims he never said otherwise…but you can scroll back ten minutes and find out that he did! Which reminds me Shaun, are we at war with Eurasia or Eastasia today?

Lew

August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm

threadkiller – Something everyone who doesn’t like the way conversations go should do rather than sit there and gripe how much something bothers them.

Lew

August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm

Texas -By the All Star break or sooner.

cricket

August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm

phil

August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm

Griping sometimes makes me feel better, Lew.

See? I didn’t scroll….

phil

August 31st, 2011
4:55 pm

Release Lugo…

Keep McLouth since he’s just as good as Bourn according to a certain poster….

Sid the Rally Salmon

August 31st, 2011
4:55 pm

You are right Lew. And for a long time I just skipped the Shaun, Lew and other posts. But lately, it seems to me, that the Horsemen of the Shaun-pocaplyse have started using new sign-ons like “Threadkiller” and others. It is getting harder and harder to parse through.

I have a lot of buttons on this fancy computer thing. A few of them take me to other bullentin boards. And that is where I will go.

Thanks for your well-thought out, meaningful response. And, please, keep yelling at Shaun. It shows how much you know, how little he knows, and how classy ol’ Lew is.

Shaun

August 31st, 2011
4:56 pm

I’ve never understood why the concept of a player declining is so complicated for some. Let me try to explain it visually. When a typical baseball player is around 30, his skills overall are likely to be a little worse than they were when he was in his late-20’s. But it’s not like a roller coaster that goes straight down at age 30. It’s more like a moderate incline.

Doesn’t mean some players won’t have better seasons in their 30’s. Just that most are going to have declining overall skills. But maybe something was going on in their late 20’s. Perhaps they were hurt often. Perhaps they just needed to adjust their mechanics and didn’t know how until their 30’s. Perhaps the results just didn’t match the skills because of something flukey seasons.

raleighbravefan

August 31st, 2011
4:57 pm

Shaun – So in reality, most # 1-3s don’t really exist…They are mythical?

You keep saying guys who would be (by your definition) #1,2,3,4,etc year in and year out. Which year would JJ not be one of the best 90 pitchers in the world? You are talking about circumstances that do not now, nor have they ever existed. It’s all a mythical figment of your furtile imagination. Could it ever be the case that a healthy JJ at his current age would not be one of the top 90 pitchers in the world, and therefore, only a solid #4? Just asking, because if not, your whole premis is flawed.

cricket

August 31st, 2011
4:57 pm

NL Homer race -

1. Matt Kemp (Dodgers): 31
1. Albert Pujols (Cardinals): 31
1. Mike Stanton (Marlins): 31
4. Lance Berkman (Cardinals): 30
4. Dan Uggla (Braves): 30

Lew

August 31st, 2011
4:58 pm

Thank You Salmon Dude. I’m so ashamed and have been put in my place yet again. Right.

raleighbravefan

August 31st, 2011
4:58 pm

Shaun will never regress to the norm.

Lew

August 31st, 2011
4:59 pm

I’m certain you will be missed – by someone, somewhere. Maybe.

Master Baiter

August 31st, 2011
5:00 pm

Heyward’s batting average has definitely regressed. Just terrible.

Threadkiller

August 31st, 2011
5:01 pm

Sid the Rally Salmon, I’m not new..Been here for years and love discussion about Braves baseball..However, it’s hard not to get sucked by your boy constantly putting all of us down!
Why don’t you tell your boy…Who initiates the conversation, to leave so the rest of us can enjoy?
It goes both ways Sid.

Master Baiter

August 31st, 2011
5:02 pm

I guess Heyward turned 30 over the past winter.

Threadkiller

August 31st, 2011
5:02 pm

Btw, Sid..Thanks for stopping by! Hope you enjoy the next blog you find!

Shaun

August 31st, 2011
5:03 pm

phil, McLouth was actually better offensively at his peak than Bourn is at his peak. But going forward Bourn is going to be the better player. McLouth is just starting to move past his prime while Bourn is in the midst of his. Plus while McLouth was better that Bourn offensively when you look at both player’s peak seasons, Bourn was a far superior defensive player. That’s going to be the biggest difference in the two players going forward.

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:03 pm

I will lose much sleep because I’m not thought to be classy by someone I don’t know, never met, never will meet and goes by a tag like Rally Salmon.

cricket

August 31st, 2011
5:05 pm

RC

August 31st, 2011
5:05 pm

phil, McLouth was actually better offensively at his peak than Bourn is at his peak. But going forward Bourn is going to be the better player. McLouth is just starting to move past his prime while Bourn is in the midst of his. Plus while McLouth was better that Bourn offensively when you look at both player’s peak seasons, Bourn was a far superior defensive player. That’s going to be the biggest difference in the two players going forward.

It certainly doesn’t help his case that McLouth’s “peak” pretty much lasted from breakfast one morning until he got ready for bed that same night.

Sid the Rally Salmon

August 31st, 2011
5:08 pm

Threadkiller–Thought you had a scroll wheel and like to use it?

Look, I don’t like Shaun, and I recognize that the way to solve this would be for Shaun to stop posting. I also realize that the way to get that to happen, absent God Sabermetrus calling all his children home, is for folks to ignore him. I don’t get why that doesn’t happen.

Lew seems like he is scrappin’ for fight. And I have done the dumb thing and given him one. That’s my fault. Won’t happen again.

ohhhYEAH

August 31st, 2011
5:09 pm

Miguel Tejada DFA…he plays short stop……right? :)

Shaun

August 31st, 2011
5:09 pm

raleighbravefan, huh? No. There are actually true number 1’s, true number 2’s, etc. There just probably aren’t 30 of each, by my definition. What I’m saying is just because a guy is a number 1 starter for a particular team, doesn’t mean he’s an ace, by my definition. If he wouldn’t be a clear number 1, on almost every team, year-in and year-out, I don’t consider him an ace.

CrαZy

August 31st, 2011
5:09 pm

Enter your comments here

Patrick

August 31st, 2011
5:10 pm

we should go after Renteria, he always comes up huge in the playoffs

McFann :Ô: :Ô:

August 31st, 2011
5:13 pm

Thanks for the new Blog and the lineup, Chief!! Welcome back, MattE!

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:14 pm

No – I’m not scrapping for a fight, but I won’t walk away from one, either.

Snotboogie

August 31st, 2011
5:15 pm

cricket @4:57

That’s such a weird list. Didnt expect Stanton or Berkman in there. Huge seasons for both of them. I dont think Berkman has even gone on the DL once this season. :shock:
And he’s over 30! :shock: :shock:

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:16 pm

SB – Over 30? His days are numbered.

McFann :Ô: :Ô:

August 31st, 2011
5:17 pm

Although…maybe MattE should have batted third for tonight…

Heath

August 31st, 2011
5:19 pm

This futlity to the Nats sucks… period. Just put that in the blog DOB lol. We all think it…

Shaun

August 31st, 2011
5:19 pm

I guess Heyward turned 30 over the past winter.

Nope. Just not close to his prime yet. Something close to a league-average offensive season with plus defense shouldn’t be a shock at this point in his career, especially considering the injuries. The only reason it’s a shock is because people pay more attention to hype than reason and because last year he was better than expected. Without hype and without the hot start last season, his season wouldn’t be any more shocking that a player like Prado’s 2011 season. Although Prado’s league-average offensive season isn’t all that shocking. He’s within the margin of what his skills and tools suggest him to be.

Snotboogie

August 31st, 2011
5:19 pm

Berkman’s 168 OPS+ this season is the best of his career.
Even better than AT’s wildest dreams!

Heath

August 31st, 2011
5:20 pm

I’m 31… my days are numbered too. :(

Heisenberg

August 31st, 2011
5:20 pm

Renteria would be an upgrade over Lugo as backup, but IMHO not over AGon despite his offensive woes.

Shaun

August 31st, 2011
5:20 pm

Lew, apparently you missed the explanation of how the whole decline thing works with baseball players. Think very gradual slope not roller coaster drop at around age 30.

Dick Tracy

August 31st, 2011
5:21 pm

I think I know why Shaun defends Heyward so much.

Heath

August 31st, 2011
5:21 pm

This blog is a roller coaster ride ;)

Jay Dubu

August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm

Fredi sure does love his lefty-righty lineups!!

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm

Shaun – Apparently you missed the point that I don’t agree with you and really don’t give a flying %%$##@

Bravofan

August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm

Mike Gonzalez to the rangers.

Bob

August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm

Time to end the Lowe experiment…he’s washed up, and maybe time to put JJ on the DL as everyone can see he hasn’t been right since the Allstar break. I do like our young guns.

Trey

August 31st, 2011
5:23 pm

So glad the Braves got Diaz back, but not so glad that Uggla’s getting sued for $5,000,000. :(

Threadkiller

August 31st, 2011
5:23 pm

Snotboogie, Is Berkman over 30? Cause he should be regressing.

Shaun

August 31st, 2011
5:24 pm

Heath, again, baseball players’ days aren’t “numbered” at 31. Think gradual slope, not roller coaster drop. Odd that I have to spell it out like this. Didn’t think it was that difficult a concept.

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:26 pm

Heath – Don’t feel bad. I’m 60 and my days have now been numbered two times.

Shaun

August 31st, 2011
5:27 pm

I think I know why Shaun defends Heyward so much.

The same reason I would have defended Uggla if the Braves would have been so foolish as to regularly bench him after his struggles. The same reason I would have defended Prado if the Braves would be so foolish as to bench him regularly because he was having something like a league-average-or-slightly-worse offensive season. Because you don’t assume that a good player with the skills and tools to succeed and who has performed well as a professional will continue to struggle beyond yesterday. Pretty simple.

Snotboogie

August 31st, 2011
5:28 pm

Sometimes it feels like the whole thing is not different from people teasing kittens with laser pointers.

Youknowme

August 31st, 2011
5:28 pm

On Twitter: Man who says he suffered brain, spinal injury sues Braves’ Dan Uggla for $5M. http://bit.ly/ojOIEA

:(

Heath

August 31st, 2011
5:28 pm

Lew -

Actually I just started not feeling bad after my bachelor party weekend ;)

DS1

August 31st, 2011
5:29 pm

Bob

I’m afraid the “Lowe experiment” will probably last another 13 months.

Mitchie-san

August 31st, 2011
5:29 pm

Matty D is back!! Couldn’t be happier! One of my favorites!

Bob

August 31st, 2011
5:30 pm

Lew…you’re our resident stat man, what are the odds that you’re wrong?

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:30 pm

Heath – You had a Bachelor parfy and didn’t feel bad afterwards? Did you do it right?

Shaun

August 31st, 2011
5:30 pm

Lew, you disagree with all of the data, evidence that suggests players peak in their late 20’s? Have to hand it to you. It takes some guts to go against reality. There is something admirable about the Flat Earth Society’s persistence on keeping misguided tradition alive. Same with you, Lew, and others who consistently scoff in the face of evidence.

Dick Tracy

August 31st, 2011
5:31 pm

Nope. That’s not it. Try again.

Bob

August 31st, 2011
5:31 pm

DS1…I’m afraid you’re right. Too bad.

The Abs Man

August 31st, 2011
5:32 pm

When you have a Prop. 48 clueless manager who literally shows poor judgemnent wasting rosters spots on Linebrink, Lugo and Sherrill not to mention Scott Proctor, you know why offensive numbers suck.

Heath

August 31st, 2011
5:32 pm

Lew -

I worded that weird… “I felt bad until now”, or, “I’m just now not feeling bad”

Trust me, the weekend was done, right. :)

Youknowme

August 31st, 2011
5:34 pm

@mlbbowman Mark Bowman: Wren said there is still one more area he could address before tonight’s deadline. A backup middle infielder would help.

What do you all think this means?? 8)

BravesFanInPA

August 31st, 2011
5:34 pm

Tejeda was DFA’d today…….how does that work? How long until someone could pick him up. He has to be an improvement over Lugo doesnt he?

Youknowme

August 31st, 2011
5:35 pm

Bowman also said that the “Braves tried to get Jamey Carroll, but the Dodgers said they would not trade him”. Hmmmmm…..

Bob

August 31st, 2011
5:36 pm

Lew, I’m sorry…I meant Shaun was our resident stat man. BTW, happy 60th birthday my friend.

David O'Brien

August 31st, 2011
5:36 pm

Braves are continuing to pursue a backup middle infielder. Price for Dodgers’ Jamey Carroll has either been too high or L.A. became reluctant to trade. But Wren acknowledged he still has “irons in the fire.”

Heath

August 31st, 2011
5:37 pm

Heyward has tools, no doubt, but sometimes guys just need more time in AAA perfecting their craft. Halladay and Lee are prime examples of guys that had to be sent down to the minors and came back as elite players. Heyward could have benefited from playing every day in AAA the last couple of months playing against lesser talent to rebuild his confidence and work on mechanics.

Patrick

August 31st, 2011
5:39 pm

I really don’t even know why I bother to watch the games the Braves play against the nats cause I always end up getting pissed off…

The only reason I’m watching tonight is to see Matt

Rob from SC

August 31st, 2011
5:40 pm

DOB

There is no way Hoover will be part of the Diaz deal right?

Heath

August 31st, 2011
5:41 pm

Patrick -

I was really excited to see some form of Braves baseball last night… otherwise, I understand your position lol.

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:41 pm

Shaun – Yeah, let’s look at a perfect example of that “slight” regression after age 30- Chipper Jones

Age 33 in 2004 – .248, .362, .485

Age 34 in 2005 – .296, 412, .556

Age 35 in 2006 – .324, .407, . 596

Age 36 in 2007 – .337, . 425, . 604

Age 37 in 2008 – .364, .470, .574.

Snotboogie

August 31st, 2011
5:41 pm

Scott Diamond got his first ML win today.

DS1

August 31st, 2011
5:42 pm

Bob,

My expectations for Lowe are realistic. When he was signed, he was desperately needed. I don’t begrudge him his salary. Nobody held a gun to FW’s head when he was signed.

My Name Is Earl

August 31st, 2011
5:42 pm

Can somebody please ask Prado to give Bourne a couple of chances to steal tonight?

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm

bob – Wrong about what?

TBFKB (Billy)

August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm

I called this deal back in July.

Patrick

August 31st, 2011
5:44 pm

yeah, I don’t understand why Prado is 1. So impatient this season and 2. So pull happy. This is not the Martin that I remember

cricket

August 31st, 2011
5:44 pm

Berkman has no concept of ageing regression

Bob

August 31st, 2011
5:45 pm

Lew, for mistakenly calling you our resident stat man…must be the heavy meds I’m on or just dreading Lowe’s start tonight.

Travis

August 31st, 2011
5:46 pm

The reason Shaun is hard to ignore for the posters on here is because when someone makes a point, directed at no one in particular, Shaun always posts back using there name to start the inevitable “your a dumb a–” response. Maybe if we started all our blogs posts with “Shaun need not reply” He would just go away. I have been on here over 5 years and not once has Shaun ever blogged to agree with someone. His sole purpose is to demeen an opinion differant from his own.

Heath

August 31st, 2011
5:47 pm

I still think that Heyward’s stance (he always looks like he’s to far away from the plate which actually makes him vulnerable inside because he has to dive to cover the outside) and lack of adjustments is what has held him back this year. He had 91 BB last year and nowhere near that pace this year (38) and his GB/FB ratio has changed a lot too (from 1.18 to 1.29). He’s not driving the ball in the opposite direction, so he’s pulling off on everything resulting in all the additional ground balls. And I think because he’s struggling, he’s not as patient so he’s walking less.

Travis

August 31st, 2011
5:48 pm

“Shaun need not reply”…Lew how is your son? You probably don’t need to answer…Shaun will know.

Lew

August 31st, 2011
5:48 pm

BOB – That’s OK. I’m really not “scrappin” for a fight like some drive by gripers seem to think.

cricket

August 31st, 2011
5:49 pm

When you have a Prop. 48 clueless manager who literally shows poor judgemnent wasting rosters spots on Linebrink, Lugo and Sherrill not to mention Scott Proctor, you know why offensive numbers suck.

Damn all those ABs wasted by Linebrink, Lugo, Sherrill and Proctor..

What???

August 31st, 2011
5:49 pm

Pretty easy to tell why Jurrjens is getting hammered – he is leaving the ball up in the strike zone. That explains the home run numbers too. Can’t locate his fastball or breaking stuff right now.

tiger297

August 31st, 2011
5:51 pm

ok time for me to go but on my Diaz jersey (actually its my oldest son’s but he isn’t here)…kinda nice he will be playing right in front of me…although him in RF makes me a bit nervous

tiger297

August 31st, 2011
5:51 pm

oh yeah GEAUX BRAVES

ijudgenot

August 31st, 2011
5:52 pm

coach

August 31st, 2011
4:44 pm
Braves acquired Edgar Renteria from Reds and released Lugo.

Man, I wished that were true. Renteria is 3 times the clutch hitter Gonzalez and Lugo are. Gonzalez’s defense would keep him the starter but I would not hesitate pinch hitting for him with Renteria in late innings eventhough it would mean giving up some defense.

Tomas

August 31st, 2011
5:54 pm

Jason Barlett solid player would definitely be an improvement over Lugo.

Rob from SC

August 31st, 2011
5:58 pm

Heath

You are right about Heyward diving to cover the outside pitch. If he moves a little closer to the plate he wouldn’t have to lean in a tie himself up

Patrick

August 31st, 2011
5:59 pm

I’ve heard Renteria, Carroll, now Bartlett, even Tejada! as improvements over Lugo and well…that’s all correct

TOMY FOURNIER

August 31st, 2011
5:59 pm

SAME DOG…WITH DIFERENT COLLAR…ALEX GONZ.,..NOW DIAZ AND WHAT ABOUT HEYWARD…ALL LIKE TO HIT BALLS OUTSIDE, INSIDE, UP AND IN THE GROUND, BUT NEVER IN THE CENTER OF THE HOME PLATE….AND THE PITCHER LINE UP…A TRASH…ONLY A GOOD BENCH(PITCHERS)…..THAT’S THE TEAM TO REPRESENT US ON THE WILD CARD…JA-JA-JA-JA!!!!

Tomas

August 31st, 2011
6:02 pm

Edgar Renteria would be awesome. Best bench in baseball if Wren can pull that one off.

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