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McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:11 pm
Efrim But I swear, if Uggla and Bourn’s extensions make it hard to extend Heap, I’ll….[insert angry phrase]
May I
joinlead your posse…?Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:11 pm
T for Texas, I was trying to sugar coat it.. didn’t want to start a riot. But there you go.. throwing even more gas to the flame.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:13 pm
Arkansas Transplant didn’t want to start a riot.
Nice try…
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:13 pm
ncscoots, can you please show me where I’ve used the term “regression” incorrectly or explain how you think I’ve used it incorrectly.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
3:14 pm
Efrim – It pays to agree with Random. He can make you look foolish. Of course, I happen to think he’s right on Lowe.
Soph
September 1st, 2011
3:14 pm
We can riot. I’m bored.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:14 pm
McFann :Ô: :Ô:, yeah I noticed.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
3:14 pm
consistency > a one month hot streak
Unfortunately, there is no such thing in baseball as “consistency”, when defined by fans. Most of them, anyway. Baseball is nothing but streaks and slumps, but many fans think players should perform at their 20-day moving average. Every day. Without fail, LOL.
Truthfully, I don’t get too many bar conversations about baseball that include “one standard deviation” among the points made.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:15 pm
Random is the board conscience. If you fib about what was said b4 he will catch you………..
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
3:15 pm
May I join lead your posse…?
Of course, but it won’t be necessary. Wren’s a smart man and will keep Mac here into his thirties.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:16 pm
Arkansas Transplant—
Just be more careful in the future…
T for Texas
September 1st, 2011
3:16 pm
Sorry, AT. I thought it was obvious to anyone not comatose, that the last few seasons with Mac have been a long, leisurely drive from the top of the Great Divide to the inverted apex of Death Valley.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
3:16 pm
Shaun – Why should scoots bother? You can quote you chapter and verse and you’ll just turn around and tell us we don’t understand, context or nuance or just plain misunderstood what you said. Just like you did yesterday.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:17 pm
Efrim—
If he doesn’t keep BMac for the rest of his playing days, he will no longer deserve to be called “Wren”…
TennesseePaul
September 1st, 2011
3:17 pm
Thought it was a really good point, and hopefully the Braves will recognize this and put themselves in the best possible position for the postseason.
of course, unless Fredi knows something that the general public doesn’t
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:17 pm
Soph, then this is for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bptSnf6PBos
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:17 pm
I know you and I have mentioned standard deviations b4, perhaps another couple of posters, but yeah not many talk about it on the ol’ blog
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2011
3:17 pm
Still fighting with Shaun…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…
I’ll try again tomorrow. Later.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:18 pm
T for Texas—
What ARE you talking about??
Jimmy
September 1st, 2011
3:18 pm
Just like you did yesterday.
And the day before…and the day before….and the day before………..
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:18 pm
Win with Wren!!!
TennesseePaul
September 1st, 2011
3:18 pm
Last 9 starts of the starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS
Bourn__ .256 .256 .282 0.538
Biff___ .241 .313 .241 0.554
McCann_ .125 .222 .438 0.660
Uggla__ .300 .400 .600 1.000
Chipper .364 .400 .758 1.158
Hinske_ .276 .417 .552 0.968
Heyward .241 .250 .379 0.629
Seabass .133 .212 .367 0.579
Hudson_ .273 .304 .318 0.623
Chop Chop
September 1st, 2011
3:18 pm
Fredi realizes that the Braves are in great shape and can afford to give guys some days off. Fredi is showing some smarts. I like it. I couldn’t care less if we win every game. In fact, I hope we lose the rest of them. I just want our guys to be well-rested.
JRW
September 1st, 2011
3:19 pm
Thank you DAP I was just caught typing faster than I was thinking. I meant team defense from Shaun’s post and total Player based on position. Didn’t come out that way. Sorry
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:19 pm
unless Fredi knows something that the general public doesn’t…10P
like the fact that Schafer has the highest OBP
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:20 pm
deviations or deviants?
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:20 pm
10Paul McCann_ .125 .222 .438 0.660
[in my best Winnie the Pooh impersonation] Oh, stuff ‘n’ fluff!!…
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:20 pm
JRW, huh? No way Rollins and Victorino are better defensively than Bourn and Gonzalez.
And in what ways are the Phillies rated first and the Braves sixth defensively how? Don’t tell me you’re judging on fielding percentage. The Braves have the advantage in many of the metrics that better account for defensive performance. In the few where the Phillies have the advantage, it’s not a big advantage.
As far as overall, which team has the edge, I was talking only about defense, which is why I said the Braves have premium defensive players at short and center.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
3:20 pm
know you and I have mentioned standard deviations b4, perhaps another couple of posters, but yeah not many talk about it on the ol’ blog
Try telling a guy that a player’s slump still leaves him less than one standard deviation from his seasonal norm. That guy will NOT buy you a beer.
Bobby Hill
September 1st, 2011
3:20 pm
Ultimately if Heyward is playing the way we all want him to, I want to see him batting 2nd. I’ve got to thing that hitting so low in the lineup makes it harder to break out of his slump. And if he manages to start hitting from the 7 or 8 hole, you still don’t know if he’s really ready to hit in the 2-hole or not.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
3:20 pm
6. Hinske 1B
See. I told you. Money in the bank.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:21 pm
like the fact that Schafer has the highest OBP
Good point.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:22 pm
Lew, I honestly can’t think of any situation where it could even be construed that I misused the term “regression.” I really wish ncscoots would explain.
glove51
September 1st, 2011
3:23 pm
snotboogie: I like the moves. No wow factor, but that is not genrally Wenger’s way. I really like the Mertesacker move. I wanted them to sign him in January. I think they were looking to Cahill or anotehr English defender first because of the new doemstic % rules, but the English palyers tend to be overvalued and cahill is in the last year of his contract to boot.
I have a gut feeling that Santos is going to end up being a really good signing also.
Wasn’t yesterday, but I fell like Gervinho is a comfortably superior player to Nasri, I really do.
The Korean kid, who knows, but he looks like he can help and provide depth.
I feel like Benayoun is underrated and is an improvement on Denilson for sure.
Now, Arteta — Arteta is not Cesc Fabregas, but he meets a lot of the qualities Cesc did. He is older and not as fleet a foot, but is good defensively and a great creator, which is what was needed. Hopefully he can stay healthy. Of course, that ha sbeen an issue with Cesc the last two years anyway.
I think they are really thin at striker. Fingers crossed Robin can get through the season unscathed for once.
T for Texas
September 1st, 2011
3:24 pm
I’m bored, McFann. Evidently so bored that I have taken to just making things up, things so egregiously erroneous in nature as to have no merit, thinking it might somehow entertain me. Unfortuanately, at the end of this venture, I still find myself bored.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:26 pm
T for Texas—
Oh. I’ve tried that before, I think…never even gets as far as yours did!…
JRW
September 1st, 2011
3:26 pm
I do believe in Fielding Percentage. Sorry for being an antique but if you make the plays 97% of the time and the other guy makes the play 94% of the time I think you have out performed the other guy by 3% Maybe the other guy looked prettier but you got more outs.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
3:27 pm
Uggla__ .300 .400 .600 1.000
Wow – Really? I thought he’d cooled off a lot.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:27 pm
Perhaps ncscoots is confused. Regression can mean both a player falling back to his norms or a player improving to his norms. Perhaps maybe he’s only seen me use it in one context or the other. I’m not sure what he means when he writes that I’ve misused the term.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
3:27 pm
Shaun – I taught English and had to go look up the definitions of Regression – I thought you had misused it too. There are different definitions for statistical uses and normal, every day uses and they are very different.
You’re use of the term was confusing in the extreme. You could easily have made a mistake. It’s just not worth it to go back and re-read everything. You get the benefit of the doubt on this one, but scoots could be right, too.
However, like your comparison last week between Freeman and Howard, it really is a moot point.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:29 pm
Sorry for being an antique but if you make the plays 97% of the time and the other guy makes the play 94% of the time I think you have out performed the other guy by 3%…JRW
doesn’t prove that at all without considering range in some way or another
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
3:31 pm
glove51
I agree with pretty much everything you said. Happy for Arteta and Benayoun – good on depth and PL experience. I think Park can be quite useful – seems to have a poacher’s instinct in the box. Cahill might’ve been better from the point of PL experience and pace – Mertasacker should be better for set-pieces and just the physical aspects. Was a little dissapointed that Campbell didnt get his work permit because I dont believe RVP will stay healthy throughout. Top 4? Maybe but most definitely more excited than last Sunday.
DAP
September 1st, 2011
3:31 pm
JRW, gotcha. all is forgiven. :- )
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:32 pm
There are different definitions for statistical uses and normal, every day uses and they are very different.
they both mean returning to a previous condition.
Even in non-statistical usage it is not the same as decline which it is often used for here
Lew
September 1st, 2011
3:33 pm
SB – Hope you reralize I’m not upset with you – just had to have my say.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
3:34 pm
No problems, Lew. As I said, heat of battle and all.
glove51
September 1st, 2011
3:35 pm
snotboogie: I think they still have it in them to finsih top 4. They’ll their work cut out for them though. Need to get Jack back and have Vermalene stay healthy (his injury killed them alst year. otherwise I think they’d have finished 2nd in the league)
T for Texas
September 1st, 2011
3:37 pm
It’s that vaunted Martinez/Valdez left side of the infield that makes the Phillies such a force going into October baseball.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:37 pm
JRW, That’s absolutely not true. If a guy has much more range than another and gets to more balls, even if he makes more errors and makes them at a higher rate, as long as he’s not making a ridiculous amount more or making them much more often, he’s going to get more outs than the guy with less range.
Look at where Alex Gonzalez ranks in fielding percentage. He’s 6th. But he’s made 36 more plays than any other shortstop. He’s first in Defensive Runs Saved.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
3:37 pm
have Vermalene stay healthy (his injury killed them alst year. otherwise I think they’d have finished 2nd in the league)
Definitely agree there. Djourou had some mental lapses and Koscielny is most definitely not as “captain”ly as TV is. And no more Squillacci!!
cricket
September 1st, 2011
3:38 pm
The Dodgers certainly would have moved Carroll, and it’s believed even eaten the rest of his $2.3 million salary this season, if the Braves had offered even a reasonable lower-level prospect in return.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/2011/08/trade-deadline-comes-and-goes-but-jamey-carroll-remains.html
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
3:38 pm
It’s that vaunted Martinez/Valdez left side of the infield that makes the Phillies such a force going into October baseball.
Maybe I’ll just kneecap them first, then.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
3:39 pm
It’s that vaunted Martinez/Valdez left side of the infield that makes the Phillies such a force going into October baseball.
You’ve really lost it, you know that! Wake up, man. What’s wrong with you? Have you gone stupy? You didnt even mention Pete Orr!!!
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:40 pm
so you were a Tonya fan scoots?
Random
September 1st, 2011
3:40 pm
ncscoots (September 1st, 2011 10:09 am): “If the Braves decide to keep a journeyman SS in place next year, I’m not against the idea of Wilson over Gonzalez.”
Wilson’s 2011 salary is twice that of AGonzalez ($5.0M v $2.5M) — would you be willing to pay twice as much for Wilson next year, or are you saying “Wilson over Gonzalez” at the same contract amount? For how long — one year only?
flange1 (September 1st, 2011 10:39 am): “I tend to agree with ’scoots on the SS situation.
“TP is young and needs at least another 1/2 season at AAA.
“The Braves need a good defensive SS that will take a 1 year or 2 year deal.
“I think they will look at all that are available, but if they could get Wilson or AGON for 2 year 4 million (total not per year) deal, I think they would jump on it.”
Fully agree. (But I think it will only be AGonzalez who will be available at that price/contract period, and not Wilson.)
Pepperidge Blogs Remembers:
panamajack (August 29th, 2011 1:25 am): “I beleive the braves will need a SS next year, I don’t think A-Gon will settle for a 1 year contract because he can get a long term deal somewhere else and the braves are not going to give him more than 1 year because Pastronicky will be ready in 2013. Braves will have to trade for a SS during the off season and it will have to be someone with just one year left on his contract.”
Random (August 29th, 2011 9:18 am): “Braves will likely offer AGonzalez a 2-year deal (perhaps with a 3rd year club option/buy-out), to ease the transition of Pastornicky to the ML. If Pastornicky is all you think he will be, AGonzalez will be his back-up in 2013. If not, AGonzalez will start.”
ncscoots (August 29th, 2011 9:20 am): “Random, luv ya, man, but, if the FO does that, I’d be checking the water cooler for hallucinogens.”
Jimmy
September 1st, 2011
3:40 pm
In other Braves News – Uggla is being sued.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/29052129/detail.html
Lackluster Heyward
September 1st, 2011
3:40 pm
IF my aunt had…… she would be my uncle! If, If, If!
Baseball Prospectus along with quite a few other rocket scientists have voiced their opinion on the Braves best chance at going deep into postseason is if Heyward plays like he did to open the season last year.
Well let me weigh in as well. If Chipper were 30 and totally healthy, their chances would be better. If Lowe was the same pitcher he was in Boston a few years ago, their chances would be better. If Smoltz, Maddux and Glavine were in their prime and still out there, the Braves chances would be better.
Heyward is not currently the hitter he was before the league figured him out and he became a shell of the 3 month phenom he is now. The Braves best chance to win is to try and use ALL resources available to them and that includes speed and manufacturing runs. Sitting back and waiting for the 3 run homer seldom works in the post season or for this team. They have a track record or losing based on the 3 run jack philosophy. That is a step backward.
Runs count the same. It doesn’t matter if the run came courtesy of an error, a stolen base, a bunt to third and a sacrifice fly. Or if the run came courtesy of a majestic 450 foot blast! The 450 foot blast and the headlines that say the future face of the franchise won the game by sending that blast deep is much sexier than saying the team won 2-1 when two speed demons wreaked enough havoc on the opposing pitcher and defense to steal a run or two.
A couple of golf sayings now. When totaling your score, you don’t ask “how”… you ask “how many?” And the other is you drive for show, you putt for dough.
If the Braves best chance to actually put runs on the board, game after game is Heyward in the lineup, then so be it. If the Braves think their best chance to put runs on the board consists of counting on the Heyward of 3 months of 2010, well that guy doesn’t seem to be around. I’m not sure why so many think that playing him every day in September is going to magically make him reappear! He started every game he was healthy enough to start for a year and a half now without finding the fix. Is there something magical about September 2011 that didn’t exist in other months that will make the bad dream go away and the superstar appear?
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
3:41 pm
I’m more of a 9mm knee-capper, nolie.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:42 pm
Lew, I’m not denying that there are different uses. I just don’t understand how I’ve misused it.
Of course it’s a moot point that Freeman has been better than Howard to a lot of people. Because those people don’t want to accept that Freeman has been more productive in spite of much lower RBI and Run totals, so they are going to brush aside any evidence to the contrary. I can certainly see why they would want to say it’s a moot point. It flies in the face of the backwards belief that RBI and Runs actually are meaningful in determining a hitter’s production.
glove51
September 1st, 2011
3:43 pm
snotboogie: Sorry for all the typos! I really like Vermaelen; he may be my favorite Arse player. I think he might be best suited for captain although I like RVP and he’s been there longer.
Another thing I meant to mention earlier about the transfers: these guys are all more experienced guys and leaders, e.g. Mertesacker was captain of Werder Bremen, Park captain of S. Korea, and I think Benayoun is captian of the Israeli team. Arteta was a leader at Everton.
T for Texas
September 1st, 2011
3:43 pm
Maybe I’ll just kneecap them first, then.
Scoots, don’t do that for Cripes sake. The only thing more dangerous than Martinez/Valdez is the Whosit/Whatsit combination the Phillies have in reserve at AA.
Or as SB suggested, they could always unleash the Flyin’ Can(y)dian on us.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
3:43 pm
nolkiee- NO they don’t all mean returning to a previous condition. They can also mean a gradual loss of differentiation, a trend or shift to a lower or less perfect state, a reversion to an earlier mental or behavioral level or just a retrograde motion as well as a functional relationship between two or more correlated variables empirically determined from data.
The only common theme is a downward slide, but not necessarily to a previous level. The regression can continue well beyond any previous level.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
3:44 pm
or are you saying “Wilson over Gonzalez” at the same contract amount? For how long — one year only?
Yes, journeyman all-glove money. I wouldn’t sign either of those guys, or one of their ilk, for more than a year.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
3:45 pm
Or can have nothing whatsover to do with statistical data.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
3:45 pm
glove51
Great point about the captains! Hadnt noticed that. Will definitely help complement all the youth.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:47 pm
Lackluster Heyward, the thing is that even if he doesn’t perform much better or any better than he has so far through most of 2011, he’s still likely to be about as valuable as any other corner-outfield option. The Braves corner-outfield situation this season has not been ideal.
Chop Chop
September 1st, 2011
3:47 pm
We should have elective offices here on the blog. Random will be in charge of the flip-flopper ads.
Hillbilly
September 1st, 2011
3:47 pm
In other Braves News – Uggla is being sued.
Wow, the term “friend” is being used a bit more loosely now than back in the day when I had ‘em. No animosity, my A55.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
3:47 pm
Shaun – Whatever. Like I said, you have a vision in your mind from which no deviation – standard or otherwise – is allowed to intrude, much less to be considered in your quite narrow view. There can be no other way to look at life if you refuse to acknowledge that there could even BE another way of looking at anything.
DS1
September 1st, 2011
3:48 pm
Can somebody point me to the baseball blog?
cricket
September 1st, 2011
3:49 pm
nice article about an old friend -
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110822/SPT04/308220099/Corky-Miller-once-lifetime-guy-
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:49 pm
1. Reversion; retrogression.
2. Relapse to a less perfect or developed state.
3. Psychology Reversion to an earlier or less mature pattern of feeling or behavior.
4. Medicine A subsidence of the symptoms or process of a disease.
5. Biology The return of a population to an earlier or less complex physical type in successive generations.
what you are talking about are pretty arcane definitions Lew that i seriously doubt that anyone using the term here are aware of.
The most common thread by far refers to a relapse to a previous state
TennesseePaul
September 1st, 2011
3:50 pm
like the fact that Schafer has the highest OBP
Good point.
I know, right? It was a sad day when Fredi had the audacity to check his assumption and see if it was verified statistically. Can you believe this guy ever made it into management with that attitude? What an idiot.
tiger297
September 1st, 2011
3:50 pm
yeah that was me and the little one
Rob from SC
September 1st, 2011
3:52 pm
DOB
Have the Braves soured on Cory Gearrin because he can’t get LH hitters out?
tiger297
September 1st, 2011
3:52 pm
hillbilly – article I read said he was suing the builder & designer not Uggla personally (headline was quite misleading)…did you see something different I’d like to read it
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:53 pm
the post was mostly facetious but I’m not sure hFredi was the one who initiated that check of assumptions 10p.
TennesseePaul
September 1st, 2011
3:53 pm
he’s still likely to be about as valuable as any other corner-outfield option.
There isn’t much time left for likelihood.
I think with the addition of Diaz, the team will see a bit more of a strict platoon of Heyward and Diaz with Biff getting in there on occasions like today (more of a platoon with Prado, when Prado isn’t needed at 3B)
Rob from SC
September 1st, 2011
3:53 pm
Yankees purchased contract of Scott Proctor. Say goodbye to the division
T for Texas
September 1st, 2011
3:53 pm
Sharp looking kid you got there, tiger.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:54 pm
prolly takes after his mommy Tfor……
glove51
September 1st, 2011
3:55 pm
Snot- I agree 100% on Squillaci. Koscielny has played really well so far this season before he got hurt and has been a good signing. I don;t knwo what happened to Djourou. I was elated they sent Traore away.
bravesfanforlife
September 1st, 2011
3:55 pm
DOB – I can’t believe that someone has not called you out on your math. This year, the Braves are 7-7 against the Nats, and last year they were 8-10. That is 15-17 over the last two years. How do they come to be 11-24 over the last 35, when they are 15-17 over the last 32???
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:56 pm
Lew, the only way I would have used the term “regression” is to describe a player who has performed differently from his norms returning to his norms, whether that be improving or declining. Therefore I don’t see how I could have misused it. I understand there may be different definitions, but that is one of the definitions, no?
Oh, and Freeman has been more productive offensively in 2011 than Howard, in spite of what RBI and Runs tell folks. What are you folks who support the notion that RBI and Runs mean production but who are also Braves fans going to do about that? You going to admit that RBI and Runs tell you nothing about a player’s production or are you going to say Howard has been the more productive offensive player in 2011? This should be good.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:56 pm
How do they come to be 11-24 over the last 35, when they are 15-17 over the last 32???…BFFL
a REALLY REALLY BAD three game series???
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
3:57 pm
TennesseePaul, okay, so what else are you going to go on if it’s not likelihood? You going to draw names out of a hat?
tiger297
September 1st, 2011
3:57 pm
T4 – thx
Rob from SC
September 1st, 2011
3:58 pm
McFann
Don’t worry about the money…If McCann wants to stay a Brave…they will work something out.
flange1
September 1st, 2011
3:58 pm
Shaun,
No one but you is discussing Freeman and Howard.
Hillbilly
September 1st, 2011
3:59 pm
I’m thinking of changing my moniker to some premise that Shaun is adamantly against…like Saves are a wonderful stat. Then I’ll start an argument with him. Shaun always, ALWAYS addresses posters here by their full name. Even though I sometimes agree with his stance on things, how fun would it be to make Shaun type Saves are a wonderful stat over and over and over again? .All.Day.Long.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
4:00 pm
I know, right? It was a sad day when Fredi had the audacity to check his assumption and see if it was verified statistically. Can you believe this guy ever made it into management with that attitude? What an idiot.
TennesseePaul, apparently he checked too late, after he decided to consistently put Schafer in the leadoff spot. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, he continued to put him there even after he checked. It would be nice to have a manager who verifies things before he makes decisions.
flange1
September 1st, 2011
4:00 pm
NEW BLOGGAGE!
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
4:00 pm
I was elated they sent Traore away.
Oh yeah. Imagine him and the oft-injured Gibbs. Only question was why he didnt go for Luis Enrique earlier. That one still puzzles me – same price as Santos, no international commitments and used to the PL. Oh well, at least something happened there finally.
Venice Jim
September 1st, 2011
4:00 pm
THERE IS A NEW BLOG
TennesseePaul
September 1st, 2011
4:01 pm
I’m not sure hFredi was the one who initiated that check of assumptions
I don’t recall who pulled up the numbers, I do recall the story was Fredi took the numbers to his coaches and asked them as well. And I distinctly remember all the coaches knew what on-base percentage was.
At any rate, I don’t think the story really highlights a flaw with Fredi. When he was presented, or when he discovered, the statistics invalidated his assumptions he acknowledged it, and did so to those soft-ball tossing media folk (you know, the ones who never manage to ask tough questions yet simultaneously instill fear in managers throughout the league preventing said managers from thinking outside the box). Acting upon the information was a different matter, but if memory serves, at the time the team really didn’t have much to offer one way or another.
Mikeyc588
September 1st, 2011
4:02 pm
Melky Cabrera for AL Comeback Player of the Year.
Joking, because you can’t “come back” if you’ve never been anywhere to begin with, but nobody is talking about what an excellent season he is having for the Royals.
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
4:02 pm
Oh my God!!! Are we really arguing over the definition of “regression”. Is it that important to you to always be right? OK, I for one, am willing to admit that you are always right, if you will agree to shut the F up and go away. Sheeesh!
Babip Boone
September 1st, 2011
4:06 pm
Shaun spent several pages of this blog arguing that players at 30 may get worse, but then again they may not. Caption Obvious should sue for plagiarism.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
4:06 pm
nolieee- Just because most here are not aware of a particular definition doesn’t make it any less a definition.
I was not aware of a particular definition relating to statistical analysis. Didn’t mean it wasn’t a valid definition, though. That’s why I looked it up and actually learned something.
keylargo
September 1st, 2011
4:07 pm
Can we talk about what is is next? It would be at least as interesting.