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ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
2:30 pm
All looking!
Hitters caught looking at a third strike should have their man-card revoked. If the guy throws something with a wrinkle and you take a swing that makes you look like Pee-Wee Herman, fine. If he throws the gas right by you and you take a swing that makes you look like you never saw a fastball before, fine. But, if you can’t be ready to swing the bat with two strikes, that’s just feeble.
Jimmy
September 1st, 2011
2:30 pm
Snot – yeah, 84 pitches through 6 innings. Worley got another K, but this one swinging. 7 K’s, six looking.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
2:30 pm
Lew, I would never call anyone’s intelligence into question. Just their awareness of the evidence and reason.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
2:33 pm
Hugo, if everyone is playing to expectations and is reasonably healthy, I don’t think the Phillies’ offense is better than the Braves’. And the Phillies starting pitching is better, but not by all that much. The Braves bullpen is better. The defenses of each team is pretty close, though I’d probably give a slight edge to the Braves. The Braves have premium defensive players at short and centerfield.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
2:34 pm
Oh well. Crossfire (ducks).
Lew
September 1st, 2011
2:34 pm
Shaun – BS – You routinely do it – every single freaking day you do it. You’ve got this vision in your head of the way you think things should be and be damned to those of us who either don’t agree, don’t care or have 50+ years of experience viewing baseball in other ways.
Felix Millan
September 1st, 2011
2:34 pm
shoulda warned you , Snot.
Justa thinking
September 1st, 2011
2:34 pm
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
2:30 pm
All looking!
Hitters caught looking at a third strike should have their man-card revoked. If the guy throws something with a wrinkle and you take a swing that makes you look like Pee-Wee Herman, fine. If he throws the gas right by you and you take a swing that makes you look like you never saw a fastball before, fine. But, if you can’t be ready to swing the bat with two strikes, that’s just feeble.
—————————————\ yes, and when the annoucer is telling you EXACTLY where Worley is going to throw the ne t pitch and is RIGHT all game… makes you wonder….
DAP
September 1st, 2011
2:35 pm
HugHugo Now all of a sudden you have Bourn and Constanza playing, who are in fact black.
hunh? how is constanza black and edgar renteria isnt? manny acosta? rafael soriano? garrett anderson? diory hernandez? ruben gotay? willie harris? julio franco? octavio dotel?
and these are just the guys i could think of who were on the team before heyward was.
flange1
September 1st, 2011
2:36 pm
Time for Dusty Baker to move on down the road?
glove51
September 1st, 2011
2:36 pm
@ Shaun: as soon as McCann has issues like that for about 7 solid months that’d make sense.
JRW
September 1st, 2011
2:37 pm
Martinez 2 run homer 6-1 Phils against the feeble Reds
Jimmy
September 1st, 2011
2:37 pm
Martinez 2 run shot. Phils up 6-1.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
2:37 pm
Felix,
Nah.I should’ve known.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
2:38 pm
glove51
What do you think of yesterday’s moves (Arsenal’s)?
DS1
September 1st, 2011
2:38 pm
If 50 people told me I was offensive, and I refused to believe it, what does that make me??? Right or oblivious?
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
2:39 pm
Think we can safely say that the Reds lack urgency, LOL. Mercy. Just lie there and bleed, why dontcha?
Mixxo
September 1st, 2011
2:40 pm
DOB –
Duke & The King tune……..liking that!
Jimmy
September 1st, 2011
2:40 pm
flange1- What’s up with Dusty?
(I’m done with the Reds-Phils game)
JRW
September 1st, 2011
2:41 pm
Shaun – The defenses of each team is pretty close, though I’d probably give a slight edge to the Braves. The Braves have premium defensive players at short and centerfield.
*********************************************************************
You do realize the Phillies are the number one rated defense and the Braves are sixth. The Phillies have 19 fewer errors. And as far as Shortstop and CF goes I would say Victorino and Rollins have the advantage.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
2:42 pm
And as far as Shortstop and CF goes I would say Victorino and Rollins have the advantage.
Really? In what ways?
Lew
September 1st, 2011
2:42 pm
The big fallacy here is that y’all actually believe that if you ignore someone or some situation that it will just fade away into obscurity. It ain’t so.
This is a public forum. All of us are free to post what we want to (and to invite banning if it’s too far over the top for decency’s sake) and we are all free to respond to what is posted.
If you choose not to do it then fine – that’s your right. But I don’t have to sit idly by, listen to trash and not respond as I please if I so choose. That scroll wheel works for y’all as well as it works for me and others. Like I said – you don’t like Shaun’s posts? Fine scroll on by. You don’t like mine, the same applies.
Maybe I’m pissing into the wind arguing with him, but it;’s damned well my right to do so.Not like you have to deal with the clean up.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
2:42 pm
Just another day….
DS1
September 1st, 2011
2:43 pm
Dusty is waaaaayyyyy overrated.
RC
September 1st, 2011
2:44 pm
You do realize the Phillies are the number one rated defense and the Braves are sixth. The Phillies have 19 fewer errors. And as far as Shortstop and CF goes I would say Victorino and Rollins have the advantage.
The Phillies are the #1 rated defense by what rating?? It’s been about a month, but I saw a rating of defenses that had Philly 5th worst in all of baseball. Lack of errors is not necessarily an indication of good defense.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
2:44 pm
Round and round we go…
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
2:45 pm
The Reds are interesting, as they have so many position player prospects and so little pitching, yet refuse to trade a player like Yonder Alonso for pitching when it’s clear that he has no place on the team.
JRW
September 1st, 2011
2:45 pm
Scoots you wouldn’t take Rollins over Seabass at short? And Victorino is stronger offensively than Bourn and right there defensively I don’t see the extreme superiority that you and Shaun are
DAP
September 1st, 2011
2:48 pm
JRW And as far as Shortstop and CF goes I would say Victorino and Rollins have the advantage.
and youd be wrong. id be ok with you saying they are AS good, but no way they are better defensively.
Jimmy
September 1st, 2011
2:48 pm
Francoeur hit his 16th bomb today at Detroit.
(Throwing wood on the fire)
noliee
September 1st, 2011
2:48 pm
Now, you may indeed know the proper usage of the term in the contexts you’ve cited, but you have misused the term enough so that it’s not a given. I don’t believe I’d try to take the high ground on this one, were I you. Move on elsewhere. scoot
I gotta kinda go with Shaun on this one. to regress means to return to a previous condition.
Granted in a non-statistical discussion it usually has a negative connotation in the manner of someone who has been doing better for awhile but is slipping back into bad habits,.
If a person has always been good and is now doing poorly that is not regression cause there is no previous level to which he is returning.
So from either standpoint Prado’s poor year is not regression since he has always been at a higher level.From a statistical usage returning to his better days would be regression. From a non-statistical standpoint regression should not be used at all.
JM2CW
JRW
September 1st, 2011
2:49 pm
Elias Sports Bureau
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/fielding/year/2011/seasontype/2/league/nl
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
2:49 pm
Rollins is overrated in my opinion.
flange1
September 1st, 2011
2:49 pm
Jimmy,
To me the Reds have been underperforming this year and maybe last. Dusty is always hard on young pitchers and he has been with the Reds young folks as well.
With the talent on that team to perform like they are this year, the easiest way to shake things up is to change the manager.
There have been reported conflicts with the GM and Dusty on playing time for players.
I think Dusty gets the boot after the season.
Mixxo
September 1st, 2011
2:50 pm
Phillies are just incredible. Admit it.
JRW
September 1st, 2011
2:50 pm
DAP I was going total package not just defensively see my 2:45 post
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2011
2:51 pm
They are getting to Worley. A little.
Hugo
September 1st, 2011
2:51 pm
DAP
Dude, I guess you’re right. Jose would be hispanic i guess.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
2:52 pm
JRW, I believe the question was defense, was it not, not offense nor the overall capabilities of the players? At least, that’s how I read the quote you included with your post.
There’s little question that Gonzalez is the superior defensive player, these days, and Bourn is considered by most to be at least a click better than Victorino with the glove (I haven’t really watched him enough to form an opinion there, my own self).
I’d look up and post all the metrics, but I’m just too lazy. You’ll have to trust me on this one.
flange1
September 1st, 2011
2:52 pm
And Efrim,
I heard that the Reds are considering keeping Alonso and trading Votto!
CB
September 1st, 2011
2:52 pm
Who cares about OBP? Francoeur has power. ( throwing some more wood on fire)
JRW
September 1st, 2011
2:52 pm
6-4 Phillies Maybe some life in the Reds after all
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
2:53 pm
I am starting to think Frank Wren will wait another year on a potential Prado extension. Probably even McCann while only focusing on Bourn. But I swear, if Uggla and Bourn’s extensions make it hard to extend Heap, I’ll….[insert angry phrase]
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
2:53 pm
I heard that the Reds are considering keeping Alonso and trading Votto!
Now that……is bananas.
RC
September 1st, 2011
2:53 pm
Who cares about OBP? Francoeur has power. ( throwing some more wood on fire)
If OBP is important, why don’t they put it on the scoreboard? (dousing that wood with gasoline…)
noliee
September 1st, 2011
2:54 pm
Damn right. It it was important it would be on the scoreboard
JRW
September 1st, 2011
2:54 pm
Ha. Thanks scoots I’m to lazy to look it all up too. I’ll trust you.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
2:54 pm
dang RC beat me
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
2:54 pm
Shaun McCann, last 30 days: .146/.241/.417
OK!! OK!! Enough, already!!! We know!!
dwayne
September 1st, 2011
2:55 pm
dwayne
September 1st, 2011
9:37 am
Hey knucleheads, stop with the “we can catch the Phillies” crap, not gonna happen, how many times do I need to explain this. Braves got to get Hudson, JJ and Lowe, yes Lowe, ready for post season, McCann and Prado need to get their swing back and Constanza’s ankle has to heal, did yall notice the slight limp after he grounded out last night? He sure aint hitting 400 any more is he? Did yall think he would? Geeeeeez.
Hugo
September 1st, 2011
2:55 pm
Shaun
I don’t disagree with that. I don’t see a weakness with the Phillies. If the Braves are healthy, I don’t think they have a weakness either. Doesn’t mean either team is unbeatable, i just think you have to earn your wins against teams like that. Braves have faired well in the season series vs. the Phils past two years. Plus, I think the Braves did have a weakness before they acquired Bourn. Uggla being in such a slump created a weakness. I’m excited to see them play again with the new situation.
Still, it’s gonna take good, complete baseball to beat the Phillies.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
2:56 pm
WoW! Really?? They NEED to START Ross!!!!
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
2:56 pm
Because OBP doesn’t necessary indicate an actual talent of putting the bat on the ball.
RC
September 1st, 2011
2:56 pm
I am starting to think Frank Wren will wait another year on a potential Prado extension. Probably even McCann while only focusing on Bourn. But I swear, if Uggla and Bourn’s extensions make it hard to extend Heap, I’ll….[insert angry phrase]
Based on the way Prado has played this year, I think it’s a wise move to wait another year before talking extension. He really hasn’t looked like the same hitter this year that he did the previous two, so it will be really interesting to see how he rebounds next year. He seems like a great competitor, so I’d love to see him rebound, but until he does I hope that Wren and Co. hold off on giving him a long term deal.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
2:57 pm
McCann is in decline.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
2:57 pm
I gotta kinda go with Shaun on this one. to regress means to return to a previous condition.
Except that he has used the term incorrectly in the past, and on more than one occasion. I was pointing out that, having done so, sarcastic rejoinders imputing confusion by another poster concerning the term are perhaps the wee tiniest bit of hypocritical bushwah. That’s all.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
2:57 pm
Because OBP doesn’t necessary indicate an actual talent of putting the bat on the ball.
huh? It is a talent for not making outs, which is more important than putting the bat on the ball.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
2:58 pm
Catchers have a very short shelf life, they usually hit thier primes around 23 to 25… McCann’s best days are behind him.
Jimmy
September 1st, 2011
2:58 pm
Shaun – last 30 days: .ABU/.TTH/.OLE
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
2:59 pm
noliee, I don’t know.. you tell me.. does that take talent if they choose to pitch around you to pitch to the pitcher?
Soph
September 1st, 2011
2:59 pm
WoW! Really?? They NEED to START
RossBoscan!!!!McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
2:59 pm
Arkansas Transplant McCann is in decline.
AAAAAA!!! No he isn’t!!!
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
2:59 pm
Hey knucleheads, stop with the “we can catch the Phillies” crap, not gonna happen, how many times do I need to explain this.
Whatever the number, you’ve exceeded it by one.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
2:59 pm
ok, I did not see him use it as other than to return to a previous condition.
I do see many folks here misuse it when they actually mean decline
DS1
September 1st, 2011
3:00 pm
Efrim
I hope FW waits on all those guys!!
Soph
September 1st, 2011
3:00 pm
Ruh roh, someone hold McFann back.
Ease
September 1st, 2011
3:00 pm
Why is Francoeur not batting third then? Being the best HR threat and all…
David O'Brien
September 1st, 2011
3:00 pm
Braves lineup: 1. Bourn CF, 2. Constanza LF, 3. McCann C, 4. Uggla 2B, 5. Jones 3B, 6. Hinske 1B, 7. Heyward RF, 8. Gonzalez SS, 9. Hudson P
Random
September 1st, 2011
3:01 pm
Jeff R (September 1st, 2011 9:32 am): “If Lowe finishes strong – let’s cross our fingers – I could see the Yanks biting on the remainder of Lowe’s contract. Otherwise, I think Lowe moves with the Braves eating a portion of his salary.”
Nope — think again.
Look again.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:01 pm
can you regress up?
Hugo
September 1st, 2011
3:01 pm
Being on base is good enough for me if i’m coaching MLB. I’d like to think we’d score some runs if nobody got out…
RC
September 1st, 2011
3:02 pm
Baseball Prospectus had a really good article up today about Heyward and the Braves outfield (it is a free article). The basic hypothesis was that unless Fredi knows something that the general public doesn’t (which is possible), then the team is best served by letting Heyward play for the next month to try and work his way out of the current funk his swing is in. Since they have a large lead in the WC, and are trailing by a large margin in the division, they are best served to use September as an extended “rehab” or sorts for Heyward, since the team’s best chance in the playoffs is if he is able to recover to something close to what he was last year.
Thought it was a really good point, and hopefully the Braves will recognize this and put themselves in the best possible position for the postseason.
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2011
3:02 pm
Have a rest, Marteeeeen…we’re gonna need you.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
3:02 pm
Fredo goes rogue on the lineup, LOL.
Soph
September 1st, 2011
3:02 pm
Enjoy your day off, Praydo.
Soph
September 1st, 2011
3:03 pm
You too, fabulous Freddie.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:03 pm
does that take talent if they choose to pitch around you to pitch to the pitcher? AT
who was discussing just that single aspect of OBP?
and as a matter of fact most teams do not get a high OBP in the 8th slot which negates that silly urban baseball myth anyway.
OBP is considered now as perhaps the premier offensive ability and is pretty repeatable over a career.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:04 pm
hit > walks
DS1
September 1st, 2011
3:04 pm
I told ya the Reds were coming back!!! Call me Mr. Positive!
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:04 pm
Soph Ruh roh, someone hold McFann back.
Not if I cann help it!…
Arkansas Transplant can you regress up?
Uh…Maybe…?
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:04 pm
walks > outs
DAP
September 1st, 2011
3:05 pm
JRW DAP I was going total package not just defensively see my 2:45 post
no you werent. see your 2:41 post. Better yet, ill re post it for you.
You do realize the Phillies are the number one rated defense and the Braves are sixth. The Phillies have 19 fewer errors. And as far as Shortstop and CF goes I would say Victorino and Rollins have the advantage.
Jimmy
September 1st, 2011
3:05 pm
Wow! FF and Prado out. Constanza in the 2 hole.
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2011
3:05 pm
Votto…come on, man. *slaps forehead*
RC
September 1st, 2011
3:06 pm
Hmm…that’s a very un-Fredi like lineup. Rather suprised he didn’t try to break up the lefties, but considering that we are facing Wang it hopefully won’t really matter.
T for Texas
September 1st, 2011
3:07 pm
Catchers have a very short shelf life, they usually hit thier primes around 23 to 25… McCann’s best days are behind him.
To be specific, they all have one good ten day stretch in them that manifests sometime in the 24 year old season. Before that they are all potential, after that they are all decline.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
3:07 pm
Catchers have a very short shelf life, they usually hit thier primes around 23 to 25… McCann’s best days are behind him.
McCann is still capable of putting up big numbers and currently has a 135 OPS+. Tear up the current deal and sign him for 6 years and 78 million!
Lew
September 1st, 2011
3:07 pm
Efrim – I wouldn’t worry too much. Lots of salary coming off the books the next couple of years. I do think it’s one reason Jurrjens will be gone and why Wren has steadfastly refused to trade that good, very cheap for quite some time pitching – more cash to re-up some of the position players..
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:08 pm
can you regress up?…AT
in statistical usage? certainly. direction has no meaning, it simply indicates returning toward the established mean.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:08 pm
consistency > a one month hot streak
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:08 pm
RC Hmm…that’s a very un-Fredi like lineup.
No…un-Fredi-like would be:
1. Bourn CF, 2. Constanza LF, 3. Jones 3B, 4. Uggla 2B, 5. McCann C, 6. Hinske 1B, 7. Heyward RF, 8. Gonzalez SS, 9. Hudson P
Or something along that line…
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
3:08 pm
Good for Fredi. Prado and Freeman need a rest. They have continually played and in August have slowed. Best thing for them both to get a day here or there down the stretch.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:08 pm
Then McCann needs to regress
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2011
3:09 pm
and let’s not leave out Prado.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
3:09 pm
Catchers have a very short shelf life,
nolie being the exception.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
3:09 pm
I thought a player’s “prime” was like…27……
T for Texas
September 1st, 2011
3:09 pm
But I swear, if Uggla and Bourn’s extensions make it hard to extend Heap, I’ll….[insert angry phrase]
One would hope that Frank has access to some scratch paper and a pencil, on which he has made notes on how to make sure that doesn’t happen.
DS1
September 1st, 2011
3:10 pm
AT
If you are currently below the mean, you can certainly regress “up”.
RC
September 1st, 2011
3:10 pm
Catchers have a very short shelf life, they usually hit thier primes around 23 to 25… McCann’s best days are behind him.
Is the based on the entire population of catchers, or “elite” catchers? While most positions don’t warrant splitting out the two types, I think that catcher does due to the fact that so many players are able to have big league careers while providing almost no offensive value, due to teams/managers desire for good defense and a “good game caller” behind the plate.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
3:10 pm
I do think it’s one reason Jurrjens will be gone and why Wren has steadfastly refused to trade that good, very cheap for quite some time pitching – more cash to re-up some of the position players..
Most likely right. And I have given up on the thought of dealing Lowe because of Random. He will not be traded.