Hello every one! Heard Diaz is back. I’ll admit I was wrong in letting him go,because of all the out field problems the Brave had at the beginning of the first half. Welcome back Diaz.I’m glad your back……..
I didn’t want them to dump Matty for Mather last winter , made a pest of myself saying Mather would likely tank. So I gotta be happy that Matty is back. Hopefully he can pick it up a bit against lefties
Are there any local shops down there where I can find a poster of either Kimbrel and Venters together or al three of them with O’Flaherty in there as well?
I had an old poster with Glavine and Smoltz together that I got in 91 or 92 and later found a Maddux poster in a Cubs uniform and my son has them in his room now. He was asking about one with the Braves relievers and I looked and looked online one night and then again tonight and can’t find anything.
Perhaps when you get more regional there is something like that more readily available. If anybody knows of one or any shops down there that might have one, please direct me to a website or even a phone number/email address of any shops.
The official Braves site’s “shop” section has nothing. Ironically, there is a clearance Francouer and even a Casey Kotchman poster available.
The Braves are missing the boat on this one. My guess is before too long, (if not already), that trio is going to be one of the more popular bunch of players amongst the kids that are Braves fans.
N8 just fly down to Atlanta. bring your Hasselblad, go to a game and talk the three into posing. Take some shots. Go back home and market them on your site, keeping the originals for your boy. Get rich and retire.
Well this has been a goodnight once again,and yes you can say I’m happy Matty is back,and will learn not to put my foo in my mouth. What can I say? Once again I was wrong,and will man up to it! “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” “I Have high Hopes”….Got to like Frank Sinatra……..Peace Out………..
Sounds good nolie. Pay for my plane tickets, and I’ll share the profits with you.
Alright, I’m off to bed. Alarm’s going offin 4.5 hours to get the kids to school. I love getting less than 5 hours of sleep a night for the month of September…. I love getting less than 5 hours of sleep a night for the month of September…. I love getting…. oh, who am I fooling. I’ll sleep when I’m dead, right?
“Well thanks, but the save is a meaningless stat created by you guys in the mainstrem media.”
“92.7% of the fans were standing and cheering for the record. They’re clueless. You give a pass to the little kids because their parents should have them home reading Tractatus Logico Philosophicus instead of watching a baseball game.”
“Yes. If, A = Saves and B = Dollars and B is a function of A, then logically I should appear happy talking to Jerome Jurenovich…even if, he quit wearing glasses.”
“Celebrate? No logic in that. I’ll have a beer to lower my triglycerides.”
Couch Tater, It’s not Kimbrel’s fault that bullpen usage these days is built around the save rule and the save statistic and the last inning instead of around leverage, so why not cheer him? The best reliever in all of baseball should be cheered, for whatever reason. And he’s not the best reliever because of saves. He’s the best reliever because he can pitch.
Guess what? Guys like David Robertson, Sean Marshall and Jonny Venters deserve more dollars than most closers, for those who think the save situations is always the highest leverage situation. All those guys are having much better seasons than John Axford, who has 40 saves. If I need 3 outs, even if it’s in a save situation, I’m taking one of those three guys over Axford, and so would you, I would hope. That shows how telling the save stat truly is. I’ll take Kimbrel over all of them. But because he is an awesome pitcher not because he’s racked up saves.
People who overrated save total are bigger stat heads and are less reasonable than the people constantly being called stat heads. The people constantly being called stat heads realize there is a huge difference between Kimbrel and Axford, even though they both have a ton of saves. And they realize Jonny Venters is closer to Kimbrel than Axford. But you stat heads, go ahead and rely on the save statistic to tell you which relievers are the best at getting three outs when a team needs them.
DOB – I saw that you were expressing your favorite Ballparks overnight. We were thinking of getting some tickets off Stub-Hub and extend the Labor Day weekend by going to Citizens Bank Park next week. What is your take on it and is there certain areas that are better than others for sight lines etc.
An overall great day in Braves land! Chipper hits a homer, DLowe pitches a great game, and the Braves finally acquire the final 2 pieces of the bench that they need.
The team is now in place, it’s time to get ready for the last month of the season and then on to the playoffs.
Gotta say that even with JJJ and Hanson being iffy, I think this team has a chance in the playoffs.
Last year with the injuries, the team tried, but really did not have the fire power to go all the way.
This year, even with the injuries, the team does have the firepower to win it all.
I am looking forward to watching a great finish to Baseball 2011.
that’s what good pitching does for you Efrim. always been the Braves backbone often to some real mediocre offensive teams.the reason that I thought the Phillies would be very very good this season.
Yup. Philly is another team that hasn’t been all too good offensively.
I went to Citizen’s Bank Park once… and that was enough for me ..as a fan anyways. The park itself was open and nice so you could see what was going on if you were walking around the stadium but dealing with the Philly fans just got too much. I’m use to being the away fan at Braves games and college hoops/football, so I’m use to being heckled. But when a guy with his kids tells ya you’re going to get beat up in the parking lot by drunk/poed fans if you don’t take off your Braves gear if the Phillies lose– that drew the line. Little absurd.
I know McCann is exceptionally better than Ruiz in Hitting (Except he does seem to always do damage to the Braves). But with being totally honest, does B.Mac make this play? Unbelievable. What’s your opinion DOB?
Don’t count on the Braves going to Milwaukee in the NLDS as of today the D-Backs are only three games behind them for second best record amongst Division leaders.
The Phillies have held the Reds scoreless for 19 consecutive innings their longest such drought of the season. Seeing how the Reds are the highest scoring team in the NL and were 8-1 in last nine when the Phillies came to town, I’d say that qualifies as the Phillies pitching being pretty much on top of their game right now.
I was very glad to see Matt D. I hope he can give the Braves a boost. The Braves “powers that be”
have traded off some good talent over the years. Those players have made other teams better. My guess is that Kelly Johnson keeps his suitcase packed because he never knows where he’ll in the same city 2 days in a row. I would love to see A. Jones back with the Braves. Even if no one agrees with me. I hate seeing him play for the Yankees. And I think that Constanza is about the fastest runner with the Braves. Win or loose I will continue to be a loyal fan for the Braves.
[...] started the action, acquiring outfielder Matt Diaz in a trade with Pittsburgh. Diaz, 33, is hitting .250 (11-44) this season as a pinch hitter and should Atlanta’s bench [...]
Shaun, you do realize that there is a difference pitching in the 7th or 8th innings when your offense can still make up for any mistakes. There is a totally different mentality and approach to pitching as a closer than in any other part of the game. Anyone who has played the game realizes this. The books don’t take into account situational pitching now do they.
I think the Braves pitching staff has got to be good from starting to closing. Each one has to do their part, and do it well,, or we loose. What a shock to see Lowe do something good!
Kat – I have found in my travels so far that NY and LA fans are by far the worst in almost any sport. I know the Philly Fans have “Rep” but the NY and LA fans are down right nasty.
JRW – Shaun doesn’t understand anything that he can’t quantify with his almighty, infallible statistics. Pressure doesn’t affect major leaguers… MLB players perform as robots, uneffected by emotion and circumstance. Otherwise, they would have never made it to the big leagues. Haven’t you ever listened to him?
Lead-off LF/2B MATT YOUNG [.278 BA] 3-3, 2 R, 3 BB. Lil’ MATTY Y has a perfect night , six times up, six times on base. Now that’s a lead-off hitter.
SS TYLER PASTORNICKY [.379 BA] 0-2. No ‘E’ although there were three by the G-Men.
PH/LF WILKIN RAMIREZ [.244 BA] 2-4, 2 R.
CF JEFF FIORENTINO [.276 BA] 3-5.
1B MAURO JOE ‘45′ GOMEZ [.292 BA] 4-5, 3 R, 1 3B [2], 2 HR [23], 8 RBI [86].
Both pistolas blazing last night sports fans. WOW!!!! What a game, and what a year. If he improves his average 20 points, there will be no holding him back. No where to put this guy.
Mike@8:37 – No need to be snippy. Most of us realize that Matt would have been happy to stay. Braves didn’t make him a reasonable offer. (I don’t blame the Braves or Mattie…strictly business).
I don’t think Diaz wanted to leave. Geez, it’s not like he’s an ex-girlfriend coming back. We couldn’t really expect him to stay in ATL and play for FREE…
Great moves by Wren, to shore up bench. Lowe is looking like September Lowe. Moylan sharp. Barring significant injury, we are looking pretty good for a September tune-up, and October run.
If JJ and/or Hanson gets straigtened out, and Heyward continues to “regress toward the norm”, as Shaun would say, I think our chances look great. Bullpen is the best in baseball, even before call-ups. Gives the “haters” little to complain about.
I’ve actually never had an issue, outside of the normal heckling, with Shea or Citi Field. Probably the luck of the draw on how intoxicated the home fans are around you.
I can’t figure out if Wren is trying to put together a former Pirates reunion in Atlanta. What? Hinske, Diaz, Wilson and sometimes McLouth. Anyone I’m forgetting?
Wilson’s a good pickup; sure glove. Good late innings replacement.
Kat, agreed. One of my funniest moments was in St. Louis when a young Cardinals fan walked by me in full winning visiting team regalia after the game and said “Boo You” I thought it was very cute and funny.
Efrim@9:03 – I think I get your point…I’m not too worried about Mac, or Prado, for that matter, and Heyward seems to be slowly moving in the right direction. I don’t expect an Uggla-like result, but .250 with some power would be terrific, at this point. Hopefully, Georgie will continue to contribute, and Diaz will help, as well.
Missing Gonzo. So if he is brought back, then it’s probably closer to 97-98ish. Who knows at this point – they could end up trading Diaz this winter. Or electing to let Hinske go.
Worse fans I know are the visiting Saber fans whenever Buffaloe comes to the RBC Center. They are drunk, loud and obnoxious. They take pride in being abussive. They pick fights in the parking lot, and have been known to vandalize cars with Hurricane decals.
True fact…the hurricanes always hire extra security, and Raleigh police beef up for Buffalo games. Of course, if I had to live in Buffalo, I’d probably be mad all the time too! (just joking).
Efrim – I don’t think that either Hinske or Diaz amount to much of a savings. Got to be a higher paid pitcher leaving town – especially if they re-up Bourn for millions.
Lowe’s a Brave in 2012 if Wren can’t move him, as discussed many times before. And I’m starting to think a wee bit that Wren might listen to offers for Jurrjens. Just starting, mind you.
Pittsburg is paying part of Mattie’s salary for next year, I think. I expect him and Hinske to both be back. I do expect Lowe and/or JJ to be traded. Also, KK and McLouth off the books (except McLouth buy-out). I expect SS to be cheap, wheather it’s Gonzo or replacement.
Got to be a higher paid pitcher leaving town – especially if they re-up Bourn for millions.
Yup, it has to be. This team ain’t going into next year with a mid nineties payroll. Even if they could afford it, doesn’t make sense to keep all of that pitching. I thought Hanson’s injury might make them think twice about trading Jurrjens, but if Tommy just has normal “wear and tear”, then maybe Lowe ends up sticking and Jair goes for 3 prospects.
Hah. Lowe ends up sticking around through the full duration of the deal. That’s a good one.
shaun The people constantly being called stat heads realize there is a huge difference between Kimbrel and Axford, even though they both have a ton of saves. And they realize Jonny Venters is closer to Kimbrel than Axford.
who are you talking about? none of us think kimbrel is anything like axford. so, why are you telling us?
Shaun, you do realize that there is a difference pitching in the 7th or 8th innings when your offense can still make up for any mistakes. There is a totally different mentality and approach to pitching as a closer than in any other part of the game. Anyone who has played the game realizes this. The books don’t take into account situational pitching now do they.
JRW, yes. I’m sure Kimbrel would be absolutely no good if he had to pitch in “non-closer” situations and Venters would be absolutely no good pitching as a closer, right? Do you really want to make that argument? Do you really want to make the argument that Venters doesn’t have the “approach” or “mentality” to pitch as a closer and Kimbrel doesn’t have the “approach” or “mentality” to pitch as a non-closer? Do you really want to make the argument that John Axford is more cut out for closer duties than a pitcher like Jonny Venters? If you do, that’s fine. Just clarify now so it is clear how misguided you are on this.
JRW – Shaun doesn’t understand anything that he can’t quantify with his almighty, infallible statistics.
raleighbravefan, huh? I’m the one pointing out that how great Kimbrel and Venters and guys like Robertson and Marshall are great pitchers. You are the ones pointing to the save statistic.
“regress toward the norm”, as Shaun would say
…as if that statement doesn’t make sense or something? Still confused about what “regression” means?
Going deep into post-season would help payroll situation a lot. Playoff revenue is almost all gravy. Hurricanes only make a profit if they make the playoffs.
If Lowe finishes strong – let’s cross our fingers – I could see the Yanks biting on the remainder of Lowe’s contract. Otherwise, I think Lowe moves with the Braves eating a portion of his salary.
” David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution notes on Twitter that the Pirates are sending some cash to the Braves to offset Diaz’s $2MM salary for 2012.”
That might help a bit.
With an Infante type player in the back up SS role, a bench of Diaz, Hinske, Ross, Biff, and Infante type next year would be wonderful. Some power, some speed and some defense.
DAP, right. But at least one person thinks Axford is superior in his “mentality” and “approach” to pitchers like Venters, Robertson and Marshall because he’s a closer with 40 saves and those other guys aren’t. Obviously Axford is superior mentally and in his approach. (Sarcasm alert)
Apparently if you think someone like Venters or Robertston or Marshall would be more dominant as closers than John Axford has been as a closer, then you don’t understand the game, you’ve never played it and you don’t understand anything besides stats.
Yes, I realize you are a bit older, but I will allow you to pretend it isn’t so, just to keep your ego from falling into an abyss.
N8
I learned to go from country to rock (wasn’t too difficult) with the Eagles in the very early 70’s. And I saw them in the summer of ‘76 in Oakland at one of the “Day on the Green” concerts at the Coliseum.
I had tickets to the Hell Freezes Over Tour in Houston in early July of ‘94, but had to give them up instead for a family requirement in SC. I have the MTV version of the Hell Freezes Over video on VHS at home, and it is fun to watch the guitar interplay between Walsh and Felder. You can see it in Felder’s face and movements that the dude just flat out loves to play. Too bad there was a parting of the ways between him and the other Eagles. Never really heard the straight scoop.
As a side note, the country stars CD “Common Threads” is also a good listen, if you are into a bit of country. Word is that the filming of Travis Tritt’s version of the Take it Easy video was the trigger that got the band back together. The Eagles members are in the pool hall scenes with Travis Tritt on the video. Supposedly, they had so much fun getting back together, they decided to give it a go.
I love it in the Hotel California intro (on the video) when the crowd finally realizes what song they are playing……..
richbrave – No idea. I live in Vermont and it hasn’t been that hot up here, but must have been better because he’s pitched pretty well those past three games.
On another front – they’ve already got power back to 67,000 of the 73,000 that lost it and all roads leading to the isolated communities are at least patched to the point they can now get through. They’re not messing around in Vermont.
Actually, Shaun, you have appeared to be the one confused about this particular definition in prior posts. Now, you may indeed know the proper usage of the term in the contexts you’ve cited, but you have misused the term enough so that it’s not a given. I don’t believe I’d try to take the high ground on this one, were I you. Move on elsewhere.
Shaun – I’m not confused at all. Just mystified sometimes at some of your coments (like JJ being a #4, for example).
BTW, you aren’t the only intellegent, educated person on here. Just the most arrogant.
I knew there was more than one of you in your skin. Heh!
BTW, I hated it. My middle grandson’s inaugural ninth-grade football contest. Thought I’d get back in time to at least see KIMBREL go for the record. Instead, I get JOHNNY What’s-his-name blathering on about the GNATS in the post-game telecast. Sigh, such is life.
The playoff rotation will depend highly on how all the guys do in September, obviously. But I can’t see any scenario where Lowe doesn’t pitch in the 2 or 3 slot. Depends on Jurrjens as to whether Lowe is the 2 or the 3. Beachy will be the 3 or 4. Again, depending on Jurrjens September record.
He went off like Robert or PL. He just hasn’t been able to stop. It never used to be this bad. Guy was much more calm, but I think the decisions the org. is making is frustrating him or something. Bananas.
raleighbravefan, actually I think Jurrjens is an acceptable #3 and a solid #4. What do you think Jurrjens is? What is your definition of an “ace”? Is it just the top 30 pitchers in baseball or a pitcher who would be a clear number one on pretty much any staff, year-in and year-out? I know it’s all fuzzy and subjective but I think an ace is more the latter.
What is your definition of an “ace”? Is it just the top 30 pitchers in baseball or a pitcher who would be a clear number one on pretty much any staff, year-in and year-out?
No one thinks Jeff Karstens or Wandy Rodriguez is an ace. Someone must of done you wrong, man.
Jurrjens for prospects. I think that’s what Wren would attempt to leverage, prospects. I think Jurrjens could fetch some quality kids.
Of course, assuming Wren trades Lowe and Jurrjens, he’s moving Minor and Teheran into the rotation. With Beachy, that makes for a young and relatively inexperienced crew.
Interesting LEW. Down here VIRGINIA ‘power’ still has my immediate neighbors on gasoline generators while you must drive under dangling, and over downed power lines in our neighborhood. Meanwhile, I have power, and have since the event. Having that nuclear reactor scrum during last week’s earthquarke must be crimping their style severely. Living at the foot of the cross my man, living at the foot of the cross.
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Ward
September 1st, 2011
1:42 am
Hello every one! Heard Diaz is back. I’ll admit I was wrong in letting him go,because of all the out field problems the Brave had at the beginning of the first half. Welcome back Diaz.I’m glad your back……..
Ward
September 1st, 2011
1:45 am
Braves did a good thing to bring back Diaz.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
2:06 am
I didn’t want them to dump Matty for Mather last winter , made a pest of myself saying Mather would likely tank. So I gotta be happy that Matty is back. Hopefully he can pick it up a bit against lefties
Ward
September 1st, 2011
2:06 am
How you like this! The Braves get Jack Wilson too from Seattle…… Good job Wren……..Sure up the middle infield……
Ward
September 1st, 2011
2:08 am
noliee: You know that I will admit it when wrong,and after all the crap. Glad Matty is back too,and now we have Wilson too……
Ward
September 1st, 2011
2:24 am
All this I just found out!Good news tonuight!
Ward
September 1st, 2011
2:25 am
Now the Braves out field is fast,and has good D…….
N8
September 1st, 2011
2:36 am
DOB (or anybody that lives in the Atlanta area)…
Are there any local shops down there where I can find a poster of either Kimbrel and Venters together or al three of them with O’Flaherty in there as well?
I had an old poster with Glavine and Smoltz together that I got in 91 or 92 and later found a Maddux poster in a Cubs uniform and my son has them in his room now. He was asking about one with the Braves relievers and I looked and looked online one night and then again tonight and can’t find anything.
Perhaps when you get more regional there is something like that more readily available. If anybody knows of one or any shops down there that might have one, please direct me to a website or even a phone number/email address of any shops.
The official Braves site’s “shop” section has nothing. Ironically, there is a clearance Francouer and even a Casey Kotchman poster available.
The Braves are missing the boat on this one. My guess is before too long, (if not already), that trio is going to be one of the more popular bunch of players amongst the kids that are Braves fans.
noliee
September 1st, 2011
3:40 am
N8 just fly down to Atlanta. bring your Hasselblad, go to a game and talk the three into posing. Take some shots. Go back home and market them on your site, keeping the originals for your boy. Get rich and retire.
Ward
September 1st, 2011
3:41 am
Well this has been a goodnight once again,and yes you can say I’m happy Matty is back,and will learn not to put my foo in my mouth. What can I say? Once again I was wrong,and will man up to it! “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” “I Have high Hopes”….Got to like Frank Sinatra……..Peace Out………..
Ward
September 1st, 2011
3:42 am
meant to say foot in My mouth! Talk tomorrow every one!
N8
September 1st, 2011
4:06 am
Sounds good nolie. Pay for my plane tickets, and I’ll share the profits with you.
Alright, I’m off to bed. Alarm’s going offin 4.5 hours to get the kids to school. I love getting less than 5 hours of sleep a night for the month of September…. I love getting less than 5 hours of sleep a night for the month of September…. I love getting…. oh, who am I fooling. I’ll sleep when I’m dead, right?
Goodnight John Boy.
chipl1960
September 1st, 2011
6:25 am
It appears the Braves are going for it. Lets get the pitching back on track get rid of Linebrink and get Heyward going and I like our chances.
Couch Tater
September 1st, 2011
6:26 am
Post-Game quotes you didn’t hear…
Craig Kimbrel:
“Well thanks, but the save is a meaningless stat created by you guys in the mainstrem media.”
“92.7% of the fans were standing and cheering for the record. They’re clueless. You give a pass to the little kids because their parents should have them home reading Tractatus Logico Philosophicus instead of watching a baseball game.”
“Yes. If, A = Saves and B = Dollars and B is a function of A, then logically I should appear happy talking to Jerome Jurenovich…even if, he quit wearing glasses.”
“Celebrate? No logic in that. I’ll have a beer to lower my triglycerides.”
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
7:14 am
Couch Tater, It’s not Kimbrel’s fault that bullpen usage these days is built around the save rule and the save statistic and the last inning instead of around leverage, so why not cheer him? The best reliever in all of baseball should be cheered, for whatever reason. And he’s not the best reliever because of saves. He’s the best reliever because he can pitch.
Guess what? Guys like David Robertson, Sean Marshall and Jonny Venters deserve more dollars than most closers, for those who think the save situations is always the highest leverage situation. All those guys are having much better seasons than John Axford, who has 40 saves. If I need 3 outs, even if it’s in a save situation, I’m taking one of those three guys over Axford, and so would you, I would hope. That shows how telling the save stat truly is. I’ll take Kimbrel over all of them. But because he is an awesome pitcher not because he’s racked up saves.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
7:17 am
People who overrated save total are bigger stat heads and are less reasonable than the people constantly being called stat heads. The people constantly being called stat heads realize there is a huge difference between Kimbrel and Axford, even though they both have a ton of saves. And they realize Jonny Venters is closer to Kimbrel than Axford. But you stat heads, go ahead and rely on the save statistic to tell you which relievers are the best at getting three outs when a team needs them.
curtis jones
September 1st, 2011
7:58 am
Hoping to see Constanza back in the lineup tonight…either in left or right field. Braves are 16-8 when he starts
JRW
September 1st, 2011
8:03 am
DOB – I saw that you were expressing your favorite Ballparks overnight. We were thinking of getting some tickets off Stub-Hub and extend the Labor Day weekend by going to Citizens Bank Park next week. What is your take on it and is there certain areas that are better than others for sight lines etc.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
8:04 am
Shaun, will you ever stop?
Also, still baffled by your opinion that Matt Cain is a decent #2 starter.
flange1
September 1st, 2011
8:07 am
Morning all,
An overall great day in Braves land! Chipper hits a homer, DLowe pitches a great game, and the Braves finally acquire the final 2 pieces of the bench that they need.
The team is now in place, it’s time to get ready for the last month of the season and then on to the playoffs.
Gotta say that even with JJJ and Hanson being iffy, I think this team has a chance in the playoffs.
Last year with the injuries, the team tried, but really did not have the fire power to go all the way.
This year, even with the injuries, the team does have the firepower to win it all.
I am looking forward to watching a great finish to Baseball 2011.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
8:08 am
that’s what good pitching does for you Efrim. always been the Braves backbone often to some real mediocre offensive teams.the reason that I thought the Phillies would be very very good this season.
Yup. Philly is another team that hasn’t been all too good offensively.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
8:08 am
All of a sudden, Derek Lowe has looked pretty good in 4 of his last 5 starts. Game #3 starter…..
Kat
September 1st, 2011
8:10 am
JRW…
I went to Citizen’s Bank Park once… and that was enough for me ..as a fan anyways. The park itself was open and nice so you could see what was going on if you were walking around the stadium but dealing with the Philly fans just got too much. I’m use to being the away fan at Braves games and college hoops/football, so I’m use to being heckled. But when a guy with his kids tells ya you’re going to get beat up in the parking lot by drunk/poed fans if you don’t take off your Braves gear if the Phillies lose– that drew the line. Little absurd.
JRW
September 1st, 2011
8:14 am
I know McCann is exceptionally better than Ruiz in Hitting (Except he does seem to always do damage to the Braves). But with being totally honest, does B.Mac make this play? Unbelievable. What’s your opinion DOB?
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18660373&c_id=phi
Don’t count on the Braves going to Milwaukee in the NLDS as of today the D-Backs are only three games behind them for second best record amongst Division leaders.
The Phillies have held the Reds scoreless for 19 consecutive innings their longest such drought of the season. Seeing how the Reds are the highest scoring team in the NL and were 8-1 in last nine when the Phillies came to town, I’d say that qualifies as the Phillies pitching being pretty much on top of their game right now.
Dixie Lee
September 1st, 2011
8:15 am
I was very glad to see Matt D. I hope he can give the Braves a boost. The Braves “powers that be”
have traded off some good talent over the years. Those players have made other teams better. My guess is that Kelly Johnson keeps his suitcase packed because he never knows where he’ll in the same city 2 days in a row. I would love to see A. Jones back with the Braves. Even if no one agrees with me. I hate seeing him play for the Yankees. And I think that Constanza is about the fastest runner with the Braves. Win or loose I will continue to be a loyal fan for the Braves.
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8:16 am
[...] started the action, acquiring outfielder Matt Diaz in a trade with Pittsburgh. Diaz, 33, is hitting .250 (11-44) this season as a pinch hitter and should Atlanta’s bench [...]
JRW
September 1st, 2011
8:18 am
Shaun, you do realize that there is a difference pitching in the 7th or 8th innings when your offense can still make up for any mistakes. There is a totally different mentality and approach to pitching as a closer than in any other part of the game. Anyone who has played the game realizes this. The books don’t take into account situational pitching now do they.
Dixie Lee
September 1st, 2011
8:22 am
I think the Braves pitching staff has got to be good from starting to closing. Each one has to do their part, and do it well,, or we loose. What a shock to see Lowe do something good!
JRW
September 1st, 2011
8:33 am
Kat – I have found in my travels so far that NY and LA fans are by far the worst in almost any sport. I know the Philly Fans have “Rep” but the NY and LA fans are down right nasty.
Mike
September 1st, 2011
8:37 am
So Diaz is soooooo happy to be back with the Braves. Tell me again why he left just eight months ago?
Lew
September 1st, 2011
8:43 am
Mike- Because the Braves didn’t re-sign him and let him explore Free Agency.
Shaun – You started early today. Go back to bed.
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
8:50 am
JRW – Shaun doesn’t understand anything that he can’t quantify with his almighty, infallible statistics. Pressure doesn’t affect major leaguers… MLB players perform as robots, uneffected by emotion and circumstance. Otherwise, they would have never made it to the big leagues. Haven’t you ever listened to him?
richbrave
September 1st, 2011
8:50 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
ERIC CORDIER [ND, 4.94 ERA] 4.9 IP, 3 H, 1 R/ER, 3 BB, 1 SO. I’m still waiting to see what the BRAVES see here. He’s protected on the 40-man.
PETER MOYLAN [0.00 ERA] 1.0 IP, 0 H, zeros, 1 BB, 0 SO. I pronounce him ready to return.
‘Blue’ JAYE CHAPMAN [2-1, 2.35] 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 3 SO.
J.J. HOOVER [10.50 ERA] 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R/ER, 1 BB, 1 SO.
DUSTY RICHARDSON [2.51 ERA] 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R/ER, 2 BB, 2 SO.
Lead-off LF/2B MATT YOUNG [.278 BA] 3-3, 2 R, 3 BB. Lil’ MATTY Y has a perfect night , six times up, six times on base. Now that’s a lead-off hitter.
SS TYLER PASTORNICKY [.379 BA] 0-2. No ‘E’ although there were three by the G-Men.
PH/LF WILKIN RAMIREZ [.244 BA] 2-4, 2 R.
CF JEFF FIORENTINO [.276 BA] 3-5.
1B MAURO JOE ‘45′ GOMEZ [.292 BA] 4-5, 3 R, 1 3B [2], 2 HR [23], 8 RBI [86].
Both pistolas blazing last night sports fans. WOW!!!! What a game, and what a year. If he improves his average 20 points, there will be no holding him back. No where to put this guy.
RF STEF GARTRELL [.265 BA] 1-4, 2 R, 1 RBI [89], 1 BB.
3B/SS BRANDON ‘Skip’ HICKS [.259 BA] 1-5, 1 R, 1 HR [18], 1 RBI [49], hat trick.
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
8:52 am
Mike@8:37 – No need to be snippy. Most of us realize that Matt would have been happy to stay. Braves didn’t make him a reasonable offer. (I don’t blame the Braves or Mattie…strictly business).
Hugo
September 1st, 2011
8:53 am
I don’t think Diaz wanted to leave. Geez, it’s not like he’s an ex-girlfriend coming back. We couldn’t really expect him to stay in ATL and play for FREE…
Hugo
September 1st, 2011
8:54 am
Nolieee
Don’t know if you’re on here now. Saw something in one of your threads. What is a Hasselblad?
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
8:58 am
Great moves by Wren, to shore up bench. Lowe is looking like September Lowe. Moylan sharp. Barring significant injury, we are looking pretty good for a September tune-up, and October run.
If JJ and/or Hanson gets straigtened out, and Heyward continues to “regress toward the norm”, as Shaun would say, I think our chances look great. Bullpen is the best in baseball, even before call-ups. Gives the “haters” little to complain about.
CrαZy
September 1st, 2011
8:58 am
Your scroll wheel should be spinning by the time you read the Sha in Shaun. Nothing new to see here move on!
Ease
September 1st, 2011
8:59 am
A camera. The power of Google.
CrαZy
September 1st, 2011
9:01 am
Gives the “haters” little to complain about.
Yeah right!!!!
Kat
September 1st, 2011
9:02 am
JRW-
I’ve actually never had an issue, outside of the normal heckling, with Shea or Citi Field. Probably the luck of the draw on how intoxicated the home fans are around you.
Tommy T
September 1st, 2011
9:03 am
“So Diaz is soooooo happy to be back with the Braves. Tell me again why he left just eight months ago?” – Mike
Pretty sure it was the two year contract offer that he wasn’t getting from the Braves.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:03 am
Martin Prado hit .219/.287/.324 in 115 plate appearances in August.
Brian McCann has hit .146/.241/.417 in 54 plate appearances since returning from the DL on August 14th.
Freddie Freeman hit .277/.310/.404 in 100 plate appearances in August.
Jason Heyward hit .213/.278/.362 in 54 plate appearancees in August.
Jeff R
September 1st, 2011
9:03 am
I can’t figure out if Wren is trying to put together a former Pirates reunion in Atlanta. What? Hinske, Diaz, Wilson and sometimes McLouth. Anyone I’m forgetting?
Wilson’s a good pickup; sure glove. Good late innings replacement.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
9:06 am
Hasselblad? A Vampire Life Guard?
Jeff R
September 1st, 2011
9:07 am
The Dog Days, Efrim – well, accept for Heyward, who’s having a Dog Year.
CrαZy
September 1st, 2011
9:07 am
Raleighbravefan
Make the playoffs— complain about being the Wild card
Win the world series— complain about not being the best team ever
ect..ect..ect…
JRW
September 1st, 2011
9:10 am
Kat, agreed. One of my funniest moments was in St. Louis when a young Cardinals fan walked by me in full winning visiting team regalia after the game and said “Boo You” I thought it was very cute and funny.
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
9:12 am
Efrim@9:03 – I think I get your point…I’m not too worried about Mac, or Prado, for that matter, and Heyward seems to be slowly moving in the right direction. I don’t expect an Uggla-like result, but .250 with some power would be terrific, at this point. Hopefully, Georgie will continue to contribute, and Diaz will help, as well.
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
9:14 am
Lew@9:06 – FUNNY
CraZy – I said they would have little to complain about…I didn’t say they wouldn’t find something to complain about.
Salary or Celery
September 1st, 2011
9:14 am
Lowe – 15
Jones – 14
Uggla – 13.2
McCann – 10.5
Hudson – 9
Bourn – 7
Jurrjens – 7
Prado – 5.5
O’Flaherty – 2
Moylan – 2.2
Ross – 1.625
Diaz – 2
Hinske – 1.5
Total: 90.525 million tied up in 13 players
12 pre 3 minimum players – 5.4 million
TOTAL: 95.925 MILLION
Fish Bisch
September 1st, 2011
9:15 am
Eat last night’s performance Lowe Hatters!
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:16 am
I just want Jason to finish at .230/.320/.410. That’s my personal goal for him.
Soph
September 1st, 2011
9:16 am
He gives our female Braves fans something to look at, too
No, he doesn’t BUT welcome to Atlanta, anyway.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
9:16 am
Watch on of those pitchers disappear this winter to free up salary.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
9:18 am
Fish – Well, they are mad for the most part, but Hatters?
Nonetheless – Lowe’s given up three earned runs in his last three starts and 18IP. Maybe we shouldn’t send him to the bullpen after all.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:19 am
Missing Gonzo. So if he is brought back, then it’s probably closer to 97-98ish. Who knows at this point – they could end up trading Diaz this winter. Or electing to let Hinske go.
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
9:20 am
Worse fans I know are the visiting Saber fans whenever Buffaloe comes to the RBC Center. They are drunk, loud and obnoxious. They take pride in being abussive. They pick fights in the parking lot, and have been known to vandalize cars with Hurricane decals.
True fact…the hurricanes always hire extra security, and Raleigh police beef up for Buffalo games. Of course, if I had to live in Buffalo, I’d probably be mad all the time too! (just joking).
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:21 am
Wouldn’t it be something if Lowe ended up starting Game 2 for us?
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:22 am
Zona has won 9 games in a row. I say good. I can’t stand the Giants.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
9:22 am
Efrim – I don’t think that either Hinske or Diaz amount to much of a savings. Got to be a higher paid pitcher leaving town – especially if they re-up Bourn for millions.
But we keep hearing they have the money, so…………
Jeff R
September 1st, 2011
9:22 am
Lowe’s a Brave in 2012 if Wren can’t move him, as discussed many times before. And I’m starting to think a wee bit that Wren might listen to offers for Jurrjens. Just starting, mind you.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:23 am
So much for races this year in baseball. I guess it’s still up in the air in the AL West….
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:24 am
And I’m starting to think a wee bit that Wren might listen to offers for Jurrjens. Just starting, mind you.
Oh, I think you can bank on that one. He’ll be listening on Jair and Derek.
DC Brave
September 1st, 2011
9:25 am
DOB..can we possibly get a picture of Jack Wilson and Georgie Constanza standing together. Nice to reunite Jerry and George!
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
9:26 am
Pittsburg is paying part of Mattie’s salary for next year, I think. I expect him and Hinske to both be back. I do expect Lowe and/or JJ to be traded. Also, KK and McLouth off the books (except McLouth buy-out). I expect SS to be cheap, wheather it’s Gonzo or replacement.
richbrave
September 1st, 2011
9:26 am
Salary or Celery
September 1st, 2011
9:14 am
Lowe – 15
Jones – 14
Uggla – 13.2
McCann – 10.5
Hudson – 9
Bourn – 7
Jurrjens – 7
Prado – 5.5
O’Flaherty – 2
Moylan – 2.2
Ross – 1.625
Diaz – 2
Hinske – 1.5
Total: 90.525 million tied up in 13 players
12 pre 3 minimum players – 5.4 million
TOTAL: 95.925 MILLION
I thought UGGLA was due a four million raise next year and was making four less this
Jeff R
September 1st, 2011
9:27 am
Is Chipper coming back for sure? Likely, but if he choses to hang em up, there’s a budget savings there.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:27 am
Got to be a higher paid pitcher leaving town – especially if they re-up Bourn for millions.
Yup, it has to be. This team ain’t going into next year with a mid nineties payroll. Even if they could afford it, doesn’t make sense to keep all of that pitching. I thought Hanson’s injury might make them think twice about trading Jurrjens, but if Tommy just has normal “wear and tear”, then maybe Lowe ends up sticking and Jair goes for 3 prospects.
Hah. Lowe ends up sticking around through the full duration of the deal. That’s a good one.
DAP
September 1st, 2011
9:28 am
shaun The people constantly being called stat heads realize there is a huge difference between Kimbrel and Axford, even though they both have a ton of saves. And they realize Jonny Venters is closer to Kimbrel than Axford.
who are you talking about? none of us think kimbrel is anything like axford. so, why are you telling us?
youre making stuff up again.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:29 am
I wonder if they count McLouth’s full buyout on the books for next year. I bet they broke it out over the three years he was here….I hope.
DAP
September 1st, 2011
9:29 am
JRW does B.Mac make this play? Unbelievable.
yeah, he probably does. mccann backs up 1stbase on groundballs to, if you havent noticed.
mike So Diaz is soooooo happy to be back with the Braves. Tell me again why he left just eight months ago?
because the braves didnt offer him a contract, at all. not much he couldve done to stay.
richbrave
September 1st, 2011
9:29 am
Hey LEW:
has the weather moderated from the high nineties at game time in his past three starts? LOWE, that is.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
9:30 am
Shaun, you do realize that there is a difference pitching in the 7th or 8th innings when your offense can still make up for any mistakes. There is a totally different mentality and approach to pitching as a closer than in any other part of the game. Anyone who has played the game realizes this. The books don’t take into account situational pitching now do they.
JRW, yes. I’m sure Kimbrel would be absolutely no good if he had to pitch in “non-closer” situations and Venters would be absolutely no good pitching as a closer, right? Do you really want to make that argument? Do you really want to make the argument that Venters doesn’t have the “approach” or “mentality” to pitch as a closer and Kimbrel doesn’t have the “approach” or “mentality” to pitch as a non-closer? Do you really want to make the argument that John Axford is more cut out for closer duties than a pitcher like Jonny Venters? If you do, that’s fine. Just clarify now so it is clear how misguided you are on this.
JRW – Shaun doesn’t understand anything that he can’t quantify with his almighty, infallible statistics.
raleighbravefan, huh? I’m the one pointing out that how great Kimbrel and Venters and guys like Robertson and Marshall are great pitchers. You are the ones pointing to the save statistic.
“regress toward the norm”, as Shaun would say
…as if that statement doesn’t make sense or something? Still confused about what “regression” means?
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
9:30 am
Going deep into post-season would help payroll situation a lot. Playoff revenue is almost all gravy. Hurricanes only make a profit if they make the playoffs.
Around The Horn
September 1st, 2011
9:31 am
RUNNING HARD TO FIRST
Why doesn’t Fredi insist that the Braves run hard to first base?
Jeff R
September 1st, 2011
9:32 am
If Lowe finishes strong – let’s cross our fingers – I could see the Yanks biting on the remainder of Lowe’s contract. Otherwise, I think Lowe moves with the Braves eating a portion of his salary.
flange1
September 1st, 2011
9:33 am
Efrim,
Reread this from MLB trade rumors
” David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution notes on Twitter that the Pirates are sending some cash to the Braves to offset Diaz’s $2MM salary for 2012.”
That might help a bit.
With an Infante type player in the back up SS role, a bench of Diaz, Hinske, Ross, Biff, and Infante type next year would be wonderful. Some power, some speed and some defense.
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
9:33 am
DAP, right. But at least one person thinks Axford is superior in his “mentality” and “approach” to pitchers like Venters, Robertson and Marshall because he’s a closer with 40 saves and those other guys aren’t. Obviously Axford is superior mentally and in his approach. (Sarcasm alert)
Apparently if you think someone like Venters or Robertston or Marshall would be more dominant as closers than John Axford has been as a closer, then you don’t understand the game, you’ve never played it and you don’t understand anything besides stats.
DS1
September 1st, 2011
9:33 am
Couple of follow ups from last night…
VJ
Yes, I realize you are a bit older, but I will allow you to pretend it isn’t so, just to keep your ego from falling into an abyss.
N8
I learned to go from country to rock (wasn’t too difficult) with the Eagles in the very early 70’s. And I saw them in the summer of ‘76 in Oakland at one of the “Day on the Green” concerts at the Coliseum.
I had tickets to the Hell Freezes Over Tour in Houston in early July of ‘94, but had to give them up instead for a family requirement in SC. I have the MTV version of the Hell Freezes Over video on VHS at home, and it is fun to watch the guitar interplay between Walsh and Felder. You can see it in Felder’s face and movements that the dude just flat out loves to play. Too bad there was a parting of the ways between him and the other Eagles. Never really heard the straight scoop.
As a side note, the country stars CD “Common Threads” is also a good listen, if you are into a bit of country. Word is that the filming of Travis Tritt’s version of the Take it Easy video was the trigger that got the band back together. The Eagles members are in the pool hall scenes with Travis Tritt on the video. Supposedly, they had so much fun getting back together, they decided to give it a go.
I love it in the Hotel California intro (on the video) when the crowd finally realizes what song they are playing……..
Lew
September 1st, 2011
9:34 am
richbrave – No idea. I live in Vermont and it hasn’t been that hot up here, but must have been better because he’s pitched pretty well those past three games.
On another front – they’ve already got power back to 67,000 of the 73,000 that lost it and all roads leading to the isolated communities are at least patched to the point they can now get through. They’re not messing around in Vermont.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2011
9:34 am
Still confused about what “regression” means?
Actually, Shaun, you have appeared to be the one confused about this particular definition in prior posts. Now, you may indeed know the proper usage of the term in the contexts you’ve cited, but you have misused the term enough so that it’s not a given. I don’t believe I’d try to take the high ground on this one, were I you. Move on elsewhere.
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
9:36 am
Shaun – I’m not confused at all. Just mystified sometimes at some of your coments (like JJ being a #4, for example).
BTW, you aren’t the only intellegent, educated person on here. Just the most arrogant.
richbrave
September 1st, 2011
9:37 am
“2:12 …… we like” DOB
I knew there was more than one of you in your skin. Heh!
BTW, I hated it. My middle grandson’s inaugural ninth-grade football contest. Thought I’d get back in time to at least see KIMBREL go for the record. Instead, I get JOHNNY What’s-his-name blathering on about the GNATS in the post-game telecast. Sigh, such is life.
DS1
September 1st, 2011
9:38 am
Efrim
The playoff rotation will depend highly on how all the guys do in September, obviously. But I can’t see any scenario where Lowe doesn’t pitch in the 2 or 3 slot. Depends on Jurrjens as to whether Lowe is the 2 or the 3. Beachy will be the 3 or 4. Again, depending on Jurrjens September record.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
9:38 am
raleighbraves – Educated? Just because he was beat up on every school playground he set foot on……..
bill
September 1st, 2011
9:38 am
I am confused do we now hav athree man rotation in Right Field?
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:38 am
youre making stuff up again.
He went off like Robert or PL. He just hasn’t been able to stop. It never used to be this bad. Guy was much more calm, but I think the decisions the org. is making is frustrating him or something. Bananas.
flange1
September 1st, 2011
9:39 am
Wayne,
I think Felder wrote a tell all book about his time in the Eagles and he was not all that nice to Henley and Frey.
After the book came out, Felder never played another gig with the Eagles.
Bummer too, love his playing!
Lpad
September 1st, 2011
9:40 am
Does anyone know if J.Wilson is signed for next year?
Shaun
September 1st, 2011
9:40 am
ncscoots, where have I misused the term?
raleighbravefan, actually I think Jurrjens is an acceptable #3 and a solid #4. What do you think Jurrjens is? What is your definition of an “ace”? Is it just the top 30 pitchers in baseball or a pitcher who would be a clear number one on pretty much any staff, year-in and year-out? I know it’s all fuzzy and subjective but I think an ace is more the latter.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
September 1st, 2011
9:40 am
JRW But with being totally honest, does B.Mac make this play? Unbelievable.
Sure he could, why not?
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:40 am
DS1, you’re probably right. Hudson/Lowe/Jurrjens/Beachy and then back to Huddy for a Game 5 if necessary.
Lew
September 1st, 2011
9:41 am
Shaun – No sarcasm alert is necessary – we automatically assume based on past posts.
raleighbravefan
September 1st, 2011
9:42 am
scoot – Shaun always tries to “take the high ground”, if you mean being arrogant, with a feeling of superiority and infallibility.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:42 am
What is your definition of an “ace”? Is it just the top 30 pitchers in baseball or a pitcher who would be a clear number one on pretty much any staff, year-in and year-out?
No one thinks Jeff Karstens or Wandy Rodriguez is an ace. Someone must of done you wrong, man.
Jeff R
September 1st, 2011
9:42 am
Jurrjens for prospects. I think that’s what Wren would attempt to leverage, prospects. I think Jurrjens could fetch some quality kids.
Of course, assuming Wren trades Lowe and Jurrjens, he’s moving Minor and Teheran into the rotation. With Beachy, that makes for a young and relatively inexperienced crew.
CB
September 1st, 2011
9:43 am
Lpad,no. Free agent.
Efrim
September 1st, 2011
9:43 am
Shaun, do you just look at xFIP and determine who are #1 starters?
richbrave
September 1st, 2011
9:44 am
Interesting LEW. Down here VIRGINIA ‘power’ still has my immediate neighbors on gasoline generators while you must drive under dangling, and over downed power lines in our neighborhood. Meanwhile, I have power, and have since the event. Having that nuclear reactor scrum during last week’s earthquarke must be crimping their style severely. Living at the foot of the cross my man, living at the foot of the cross.