3:45 pm August 31, 2011, by David O'Brien
August 31st, 201111:11 pm
MIBravesFan: You’re more than welcome.
August 31st, 201111:12 pm
moe – so you are saying many saturday nights traveling somewhere in your near future?
ijonathan: Target Field definitely in my top eight or so ballparks, maybe even top five.
DOB – game time still not as good as Glavine’s masterpiece versus the Mets (versus Saberhagen or COne if I remeber right – Glavine’s 79 pitch complete game), though very impressive pitching performance by the Bravos
August 31st, 201111:13 pm
August 31st, 2011
Tonight’s game lasted 2:12, five minutes shorter than ATL’s previous shortest game this season. We like.”
August 31st, 201111:14 pm
short games are great the little one has started getting antsy towards the end…next year might be the year I really have to slow down how many games I make it to
August 31st, 201111:15 pm
tiger–I am being hounded to go and eat my kebabs. Even if I hear them from across the river. It is an improvement from the swarm that engulfed my house in Norman, OK. I just could not go anywhere on Saturdays in the fall. I will just close the windows on Saturdays and turn up the music.
Off to dinner.
August 31st, 201111:16 pm
caint you just trade the tyke for a season ticket?
Most “real” Braves fans, from my experience, don’t live in Atlanta, like myself. I have still managed to attend nine games this year on a college student’s budget, including flying my happy ass to DC for three games Opening Weekend. When I do get the chance to go to Turner Field, I get the sense that I am the only person who actually cares about what is going on on the field. I was fortunate enough to meet a couple of season ticket holders who actually cared about the team last time I was up there. But other than that it really is pretty pathetic. It’s not like Turner Field is expensive, I find the prices quite reasonable. It’s gas prices and hotels that get me, otherwise I’d be up every weekend. Not really sure the point I’m trying to make, just felt like venting a little bit. And please, do not make the stupid “school night” excuse. Not everyone has kids. Philly, Boston and NY continue to sell out every night despite school being in session. I’m not even concerned about our low payroll. I’m proud of the fact that we can compete at a high level with a middle of the road payroll. It’s the atmosphere I’m concerned about. We got a little taste last October of the potential of the Turner Field crowd I wanna see even more of that this October. LET’S GO BRAVES!!!
another short night for me thought I might get to converse with Moe at least today (hope the kebabs are wonderful)…oh well I’m lucky I get to blog at all on game nights anymore
when its sleepy time down south…
August 31st, 201111:17 pm
Wayne, yeah, very worried about Jurrjens and Hanson. Lowe is doing better, but he makes me nervous too.
Shame that Jair has had some injury issues, especially since it probably affects his conditioning. I thought this comment from Roger McDowell at the all star break when Jair was flying high was very telling about how the organization views Jair’s ups and downs as it relates to dedication to conditioning:
“We’re still in July,” said Roger McDowell. “When we talk about any pitcher, we wait and see where we’re at at the end of a year. Let’s see if he maintains the dedication he has had to his conditioning and all the things he does between starts.”
And now that he has been having knee woes, he hasn’t been able to do the kind of running and conditioning he did in the offseason and first half, so that’s a concern
August 31st, 201111:18 pm
nolie – the other 1/2 wouldn’t have any of that…I could leave them at home and go but I’d rather tuck him in and watch it on tv.
Wow…that cK is about to pass the mark for straight scoreless innings set by Cliff Lee is pretty huge.
Do we even really fathom, much less appreciate, what cK is doing?
Nice moves by FW. Presumably Lugo is on the way out…too bad…intense guy. a pro.
August 31st, 201111:19 pm
Thanks for Campillo. Knew I was missing at least one more. Wilson is a victim of brain-bleach.
August 31st, 201111:20 pm
peter – can’t argue with you especially this year. 14 home games left rolling into the playoffs and nobody at the games. IIRC last year it wasn’t until the last 2-3 weeks of the season that the crowds started building (I bet if I weren’t lazy I could look that information up somewhere)
August 31st, 201111:21 pm
Playoff roster: pitching: Hudson, Jurrgens, Lowe, Beachy, Minor, , Martinez, Moylan, Vizcaino (sp?),. O’Flaherty, Venters, Kimbrel.
Position players: McCann, Ross, Jones, Gonzalez, Uggla, Wilson, Freeman, Hinske, Prado, Bourne, Heyward, Conrad,. Constanza, Diaz.
Maybe Sherrill, if healthy, instead of Minor.
Peter – does who else attends Braves’ games seriously affect your self-worth as a Braves fan? You do what you can do – what does the rest matter?
August 31st, 201111:23 pm
Sounds like your “college student’s budget” is a tad more forgiving than mine was back in the day, Peter. But, good post.
I think the crowds will be out in the post-season. The reasons that Atlanta doesn’t support the Braves better have been beat to death on here, but it just boils down to “it’s not a baseball town,” IMO. I’ve given up worrying about it.
Anyway, great day for the Braves and great win tonight. We’re off to Atlanta for the long weekend; will be at the Dome for the Dawgs, but won’t get to any Braves games, despite pleas to my hosts (see paragraph above… just not into baseball).
August 31st, 201111:24 pm
you could tiger but I’m too lazy to tell you where……
mike – when are you leaving town…I might give them the old 5-1 wave on sunday
August 31st, 201111:25 pm
Glavine was funny as hell tonight when discussing his only HR as a hitter. And especially when mocking Morse’s little “dance” before stepping in the box.
DOB, I’ve only been to 3 outdoor MLB stadiums (Safeco, Coors and Target Field a couple of weeks ago). The first 10 or so big league games I went to were either in the Metrodome or Kingdome.
So while my “experience” in all of the parks is very limited, I find it hard to believe that any other of the newer stadiums compare to Target Field. My guess is that the ones that would top it would be the historic parks (Fenway, Wrigley, old Yankee Stadium, old Tiger Stadium). Not necessarily because they are/were better. But because of the nostalgia.
I remember thinking Coors was incredible the year it opened. And Safeco topped that imo. But Target Field is just “cozy” if that makes any sense. Right on top of the action.
I tried getting my oldest son to pose for a photo with the Kirby Puckett statue and hang his Braves hat on Puckett’s fist. But he wouldn’t do it (too many people around). Wanted to kick that thing when I walked by it. LOL. Actually I loved Puckett, but since that statue is of him rounding the bases after the HR off of Liebrandt, you can understand the desire to tip it over.
What other parks compare? From TV, Turner Field looks pretty cool. Hard to believe it’s 14 years old.
Will Kimbrel approach the Drysdale/Hershiser innings records? I include both because to be honest, both pitchers had questionable calls that helped to keep their streaks intact. Drysdale hit Dickie Dietz (a SC boy) and it was ruled he didn’t try hard enough to get out of the way. Hershiser gave up a run, but Brett Butler (then w/ the Giants) was ruled to have interfered with the SS on his throw to first on the play.
Dodgers bias with umps, I guess……..
Still remember that game maddux pitched against the yankees in 1997 or so. my dad was teaching me to drive. so we dropped my mom, brother and sisters off at yankee stadium, and my dad took me to practice driving. figured game would be a long enough that i’d get enough practice in. but it seemed like that by the time we pulled away from the stadium to go practice, maddux had already ended the game and we had to turn around and go pick up the rest of the family.
last 7 home games attendance picked up…last 2-3 weeks of the season people at my office actually talked baseball with me (which almost never happens)
August 31st, 201111:27 pm
maybe I’m not so lazy
prolly had the tyke look it up……..
August 31st, 201111:28 pm
he is sleeping
August 31st, 201111:29 pm
BTW I received a package from the hag today. The rumors of his death seem to have been exaggerated. Guess he just got tired of putting up with us all the time.hopefully he will return
August 31st, 201111:31 pm
That’s good to hear, noliee.
August 31st, 201111:33 pm
yeah I hope he comes back soon
so, ugabrave, do you think your dawgs are gonna beat boise and south carolina?
August 31st, 201111:35 pm
is it too early to be thinking about spring training yet?
Just to throw my 2 cents worth in on parks. I have been in 12 stadiums total (had to remove my shoes to add those up). Old parks: NYY, ATL, HTN, STL, and SF. Existing parks: ATL, SF, SEA, COL, AZ, Oakland and Anaheim.
The new parks are all excellent, or at least the ones I have been in. I go to SF and Colorado the most, and really enjoy those. The Ted is also a fun park to be in.
I spent a lot of time in Minnesota in the 80’s, but unfortunately never went to a game while there. When I retire, I’d like to tour the country one summer to visit as many parks as possible. Now that would be fun.
The food at AT&T (I think that is the name of the SF park now) was the best.
August 31st, 201111:36 pm
Here’s my potential lineups down the stretch when Chipper/Gonzalez/Heyward gets days off as well as Prado.
W/O Chipper & Gonzalez against LHP:
1. Bourn CF
2. Prado 3B
3. McCann C
4. Uggla 2B
5. Freeman 1B
6. Diaz LF
7. Wilson SS
8. Constanza RF
W/O Chipper & Gonzalez against RHP:
1. Bourn CF
2. Prado 3B
3. McCann C
4. Uggla 2B
5. Freeman 1B
6. Heyward RF
7. Wilson SS
8. Constanza LF
W/O Prado against LHP:
1. Bourn CF
2. Diaz LF
3. McCann C
4. Uggla 2B
5. Chipper 3B
6. Freeman 1B
7. Heyward RF
8. Gonzalez SS
W/O Prado against RHP:
1. Bourn CF
2. Constanza LF
3. McCann C
4. Uggla 2B
5. Chipper 3B
6. Freeman 1B
7. Heyward RF
8. Gonzalez SS
W/O Chipper against LHP (keeping Prado in LF):
1. Bourn CF
2. Prado LF
3. McCann C
4. Uggla 2B
5. Freeman 1B
6. Diaz RF
7. Gonzalez SS
8. Wilson 3B
These are just some of the many options Fredi now has with the moves Wren has done. September is going to be fun
August 31st, 201111:37 pm
I had grand plans of doing the park tour this summer with my oldest…no such luck. I’m working on training the youngest early – hope I don’t burn him out.
August 31st, 201111:39 pm
AT&T is about my fave even though you can still get some chilly weather that at times in the summer. Not near as bad as Candlestick was though. Pitt has a nice park IMO. I’d rank the Ted toward the middle I guess
other than the next couple of weeks the way our schedule lays out we likely won’t need that many days off…now if the phillies get there X and we get our Z I think we can think about rest
I’m going to call it a night on the blog. It was a great night, all the way around – MattyD back, Derek pitching very well (and getting a lifetime memory in the process – ), Chipper getting to 450 (here’s hoping he passes Yaz this season, for his grandfather!), Danny with his never ending hustle driving in a run, and Craig with the rookie saves record! It was a really great night! Take care, everyone!
August 31st, 201111:40 pm
For you Turner Field folks, where do you go to get the best food. I’m going to be there on the 12th with Ms DS1 and don’t want a Hank Dog (or whatever the heck that garbage was……)
Tiger, if you’re there, let’s arrange to hook up on the 12th. I’ll send you an email in a couple of days with my cell phone number……….
night MiBF. hava goodun
August 31st, 201111:42 pm
Were the seagulls out in force at the end of the game at AT&T when you were there? I think this is more of a recent (last couple of years) occurrance. Funny as heck.
Great pork nacho’s at AT&T.
braveheart, nothing would suprise me. but my guess is a split.
August 31st, 201111:44 pm
I’ll be there…do you want at game or outside the game?
August 31st, 201111:48 pm
they used to swarm you at candlestick. They were around in the new park too though not overwhelming
tiger–Sorry to miss you. Just popping in for a moment. It is Eid, so kebabs must be made and eaten. Food and alcohol are necessary. So I am eating and drinking. I’ll catch up soon.
August 31st, 201111:53 pm
inside the game is very hit or miss…its all managed by aramark and they really suck. Most days the brats are nice golden crisp and juicy…other times just seem soggy. McCann’s burgers in CF aren’t bad but nothing to write home about (which is about the statement I would make for most of the food vendors).
If you get up to the 755 club and the dining areas behind the suites it becomes a completely different experience. Nicer food also higher price. 755 club you can actually sit down at a table outside and eat/drink/watch the game which is a nice way to start the game.
August 31st, 201111:54 pm
Atlanta Fulton County Stadium, Turner Field, The Stadium Formerly Known as Joe Robbie, Tropicana Field, Old Yankee Stadium, Shea Stadium, Milwaukee County Stadium, Wrigley Field, Nationals Park, Safeco Field.
I have also seen 27 of the 30 MLB clubs in person, only missing Giants, Dodgers, and Astros.
August 31st, 201111:56 pm
I don’t know of any great food anywhere in there. It’s all a single vendor, I believe. But if you get some tickets off stubhub that say “755 club” in the comments section, you at least can take your wife up there and eat at a table outside the club – food is not bad, more $ than practical, but mostly good for the experience. The club also lets out into the enclosed, air-conditioned Golden Moon level (is it still called that?) where there are more choices for food, including basic sushi, which suits me well. Or, if you have tickets to sit in that level, you will be able to eat that food. Also, the BBQ place by the outfield is OK, and the sauces are not bad.
But I have not found anything like they have at some other parks, where something local and/or special is a part of the choices and it’s not all the same food vendor. Maybe the Chop House is better? I haven’t been there.
August 31st, 201111:59 pm
Also, if you and your wife are into BBQ, there are a couple of places within 3 miles – Daddy D’s and Fox Bros (which was made famous by DOB himself on the blog a few years ago before they got their own place.) Turner FIeld lets you take food and drink into the stadium, if you want to get take out and go in.
well at least we tell a consistent if not repetitive story…
September 1st, 201112:00 am
that’s your ranking of the best parks, Peter??
September 1st, 201112:01 am
yeah, both typing at the same time, trying in vain to think of anything worthy to mention…
learner – always make sure to be specific when you say drink I h8 watching people get turned away at the g8 –
non alcoholic in plastic containers (no glass or cans). You can’t bring a hard sided cooler (and soft sided must have shell removed.
September 1st, 201112:02 am
ok for real this time
September 1st, 201112:03 am
September 1st, 201112:04 am
oh boy a whole entire month away from O’Hawke.
Sorry, had to go do some actual work. How about before the game in the park? Can you get there early? I’ll have you call me……..
Talk w/ you a bit closer to the game.
September 1st, 201112:06 am
you should just have tiger fly you to the game Wayne…..
September 1st, 201112:07 am
nolie and others
haggard did comment on one of the blogs last year – I think it was on the first page of the blog that DOB posted late at night. Mentioned something about his reappearance too.
September 1st, 201112:08 am
Last week not last year.
Link to QUOTAGE with Diaz pregame, post-trade quotes added
September 1st, 201112:10 am
I sat in the upper deck of CF at Candlestick one Saturday afternoon game, and the wind was blowing constantly all game. Some paper/food wrappers were just kinda hanging in place out about 30 feet in front of us for what seemed like forever.
That day was also the day the Beach Boys played after the game. Can’t remember the year, but I think it was around 84 or 85.
The seagulls are getting worse at AT&T. Actually, they are quite amusing. And they ain’t afraid of you either, when you get between them and the left overs…….
Gonna head off to bed folks. Though it is only 9pm here, I got a long day tomorrow.
September 1st, 201112:14 am
N8, I really like Target, but AT&T (San Francisco) is just an incredible place — the overall atmosphere of the park and the area is difficult for any other to match. I’d put that atop my list, even ahead of Fenway, which has a similar energy but few of the amenities. PNC Park is also phenomenal.
But I’d put Target up high behind those three or even with PNC and Camden Yards. And I still love Wrigley, even though it’s brutal for reporters covering night games. San Diego’s park is also very strong, as is Dodger Stadium, though they let it slip this year along with everything else in the organization.
September 1st, 201112:15 am
Tiger fly me out?? That sounds like a plan!
Actually, me and the missus are driving across country starting Friday morning. Got work in SC during the Labor Day week. Gonna spend the evenings and that weekend with the folks.
Catching the Braves game on the 12th, then heading up to VA to spend a week with son #2 who is stationed at Langley. His mom’s going to get his apartment all squared away and mother approved.
Then we will catch the graduation of son #3 from Army boot camp at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri on our way back towards home. He thinks he will get a 2-3 day pass between boot camp and tech school training. Then we head back home. Gonna be 3 weeks on the road. Should be loads of fun! Of course, if you don’t like driving it could be hellish.
September 1st, 201112:18 am
DS1 – you forced me to tabulate stadiums visited – no longer existing – Yankee, Shea, Veteran’s, Memorial (also RFK, but not for baseball – World Cup soccer [your favorite sport] and McCartney) – still there – Turner, Fenway, Dodger’s, Petco, Camden and Angel’s…
Almost made it to Fulton long ago driving from Richmond to Florida, but we were too tired…
have a safe and enjoyable trip buddy.
September 1st, 201112:22 am
Arizona is only 3 games behind the Brewers. It would bw nice for them to pass them, and plays the Dbacks in the weildcard round
September 1st, 201112:24 am
I visited Angels stadium this year, it really made me appreciate the Ted
September 1st, 201112:27 am
Cardinals have passed the Giants in the Wild Card race…
Frank certainly likes to make deals. Good to see the deeper bench. Just need to get the starting pitching sorted out, and then this team is lookin like a damn good bet for an easy stretch run.
September 1st, 201112:28 am
Over the past ten games the Braves have a better record than the super-hot Brewers…
September 1st, 201112:29 am
But did you have to take off your shoes to count ‘em?? Huh?
September 1st, 201112:30 am
DS1 – being so much “younger” than you, I used new technology – pen and paper…
September 1st, 201112:33 am
Braves close to within 1.5 games of the Yankees in the all-important AL Wild Card vs. NL Wild Card standings…
September 1st, 201112:34 am
On a serious note, did I tell you my first career was in electronic/computers (when 32K of memory was a LOT). Although I am pretty set in my ways, I am a computer savy old dude. Recently had to replace my 3 year old reliable cell phone for one of these smart phones.
You’d get a major kick watching me try to figure this danged thing out. If I ever do, watch out……….
September 1st, 201112:35 am
DOB, you’re probably right. That park in SF looks pretty cool. With the water and everything. I also forgot to add Dodger Stadium to my wishlist of older parks.
I suspect that as each new park is built they try and put their own twist on things, while using the best things from the exsisting “new” parks. I’m guessing Camden and the Rangers’ stadium were state of the art when new. Crazy how fast the new parks kind of date themselves.
What I can say, is that the Kingdome and Metrodome were two of the most horrible places to experience a baseball game. Been in both of those places when there was fewer than 5000 people in them.
Wayne, I would imagine that each park has it’s own unique food, while there is also probably food that is the same at many parks.
The coolest thing we ate at Target Field was the $12.00 nachos (maybe it was $14.00 – don’t remember). But they came in one of those old plastic toy baseball helmets like the kids used to buy at the toy stores in the 80’s. And that thing was LOADED. By the time we got to the bottom of it, the chips were soggy as hell. Needed a spoon and a straw to finish it off. But tasty nonetheless.
We didn’t get much food there. We actually ate downtown before the game at Smally’s (owned by Roy Smalley). Pretty kick ass food. So we were stuffed. Still amazez me how much Minneapolis has cleaned up that area where Target Field and the Target Center are. In the 80’s that place reminded me of the scen from Vacation where Clark tells the family to “roll em up!”. Pretty grungy wharehouse district back then.
September 1st, 201112:38 am
Wayne – you do realize that you are younger than I am…or do you?
September 1st, 201112:41 am
VJ that 12:33 made me smile. When I was a kid, I used to get up and compare the “leaderboards” between the AL and the NL and keep score. Seeing which league leader was better than the other.
September 1st, 201112:45 am
N8 – just fun to check since there are one or two people who infrequently visit the blog who seem to view the Braves as one of the worst teams in baseball…
September 1st, 201112:49 am
wheres mitchell. don’t tell me he couldn’t find sumthang to bitch about tonight
KJ hit a HR off Jo Jo tonight ( 2 2/3 IP, 7 ER) – stats thanks to cab in the bedroom…
September 1st, 201112:50 am
nolie – that would be too incredible to contemplate…
September 1st, 201112:51 am
do you have a link to that “cab in the bedroom” site?
It’s a virtual reality sort of deal…
September 1st, 201112:53 am
Watched the summer season finale of Leverage tonight – returning in November…
dang. sounded like it might be more interesting than BaseballReference
September 1st, 201112:54 am
Almost time for me to go play “Name That Star Trek” – I have still not submitted a formal answer for Monday night, but I nailed last night’s episode two seconds after walking in the door from my class…
September 1st, 201112:56 am
Peter Moylan tweeted for assistance tonight – he was in a discussion with Wes Helms, and needed to know what Helms had done against him – I happened to spot the tweet while walking Nala, alerted cab, and she was able to get the answer to Peter thanks to Baseball Reference… (0-3 was the answer)…
I don’t care all that much for the way they break up some short season shows like Leverage. Because of the way I watch them I think I’d just as soon that they showed them all at one time and waited till the next year to start a new season. I might be in the minority about that though.
September 1st, 201112:58 am
So, this time of year when I’m busy as hell, I start digging through the depths of my iTunes library and decided to listen to The Eagles “Hell Freezes Over” CD.
Before the live section started (first few tunes were “new” studio tunes in 94). Glen Frey says “For the record we never broke up…. we just took a 14 year vacation”
Does anybody else find the irony that that was such a big deal after 14 years away from each othe, and they have now been on a slew of “Farewell” tours going on 17 years?
Too funny. Some of the tunes hold up. Some are just a tad lame for me. But any way you slice it as a guitar player, Joe Walsh and Don Felder are pretty cool playing together.
September 1st, 201112:59 am
nolie – well, as a technological dinosaur tied to watching the DVR version the week the show is on, it would appear that way to me…
September 1st, 20111:01 am
Though I have to note that Chris Berman has completely ruined what used to be one of my favorite guitar tunes in Hotel California. What’s funny to me is I’m not a big fan of Don Henly the political advocate. Yet it’s the tunes he sings that I like the most. The Glen Frey stuff is tune country for me. But guitar wise, Life in The Fastlane still holds up. The way those guitars layer each other is magic.
That was one helluva “backup” band Linda Ronstadt had back in the day.
September 1st, 20111:02 am
N8 – Henley is at the Greek Theater here in a few weeks with one of DOB’s girls, Lucinda Williams – very tempting to dig into my tutoring fortune to check it out…
September 1st, 20111:08 am
Not sure if he was joking because of the joke at the end, but Rich Eisen just tweeted:
Breaking News: Yanks call up Scott Proctor. MLB VP of ops Joe Torre orders Yanks to warm him up every night regardless of use
September 1st, 20111:12 am
VJ, just finishing the CD now and am still a sucker for Desperado. I went to that Hell Freezes over tour twice. Paid 95 bucks a ticket for my wife and I (before we were married) at the Target Center, and then like clock work they came to Fargo the next fall and it was about 60 bucks per. So we went again. Wasn’t as good (the Fargodome is a horrible place to ‘listen’ to a concert. Sounds like crap in there. Where most of the basketball arenas are much better.
I was never a huge Eagles fan, but felt obligated to go since it might be the “last chance” to see them. LOL. But what’s amazing about them is the backing vocals are spot on to the records. Not a lot of bands can nail those ooohs and aaaahs live. Usually artists will have backup singers to nail those parts. But they pretty much are spot on live. Might as well have all been on stools though. They don’t put on much of a “show”. Can’t imagine how statue-esque they are now on stage. Geezers. LOL. And I don’t think Felder has been with them for some time now. I’m glad I went, but doubt I’d ever kick out the cash to see them again. They’ve rolled through here a couple of times since then and I’ve passed. I’ve given them enough money.
September 1st, 20111:13 am
I am off – I’ll be back just about in time for the Shaun Show in the morning…
NO MORE PARRISH
September 1st, 20111:17 am
The Braves rank dead last in the National League in average (.227) and OBP (.296) against left-handers.
FIRE PARRISH BEFORE 2012 SEASON AND HIRE MILT THOMPSON.
September 1st, 20111:18 am
I saw the Eagles at the Richmond Coliseum sometime circa 1977 – they had a semi-obscure singer open for them named Jimmy Buffett…I can’t say my memories of it at this point are very specific. Haven’t seen the Eagle since then, but have sneaked in a bit over a dozen Buffett shows. I am a sucker for The Last Resort… and I have to love The End of the Innocence since it was written by my old Williamsburg buddy Bruce Hornsby…
September 1st, 20111:19 am
Good to hear from a disgruntled “fan”…
September 1st, 20111:21 am
Okay – really – I should go to bed – back-breaking 3.5 hour day of tutoring tomorrow (bit of a respite as schools are just gearing up out here)…
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