Braves postgame quotes following Tuesday’s loss to Nats

JAIR JURRJENS

On if layoff hurt:

“Not really. I left a lot of pitches up and down the middle. Those things are excuses. You still need to go out there and perform, and I didn’t perform today.”

On if concerned about homers:

“Not really. I just need to fix some things in my mechanics and I’ll be fine.”

On if this start was similar to those since the break:

“Yeah. When you’re going good, everything is falling into place, and when you’re going bad, even you make a good pitch, you get hit, and when you make a bad pitch, they hit it. Just a tough time right now. Keep working, keeping doing what I can do to go out there and try to perform, and hope for the best.”

On struggles with his slider:

“My slider was awful today, slower, a bigger break. I was leaving it in the middle. I think I was trying to get a feel for it, and I didn’t get it, and things slowed down and tried to throw it for a strike and left it up.”

On if push leg is strong since DL:

“Yeah, the knee is fine. I just need to clean my mind up and start trusting again, and start working on what I used to do in the first half and go from there.”

On if can turn around with five, six starts left:

“Yes. I’m trying to do too much, put too much on myself. I’m not having fun right now. I need to start having fun and hope the ball rolls to my side.”

On if he could be tipping pitching to Nationals:

“I think I have three starts and I look like I’m throwing bp against them all the time. They’re making adjustments and I’m not making them. That’s a good question. I wish I had an answer for it.”

JASON HEYWARD

On challenge of staying patient vs. Hernandez:

“You have to just try to go up there and react. Livan has always been able to hit his spots really well and not have to worry about any situation, doesn’t really feel any pressure. Tonight was one of those nights where he had it going obviously. You’ve just got to tip your hat to him.”

On if hard to get in groove after lay-off, as a team:

“It is what it is. Three days off is three days. Toward the end of the season, we’re used to going out there and grinding right now. That never went into any of our minds as far as an excuse or anything like that. We want to come out and play well and continue to do wrong and finish strong the rest of the season.”

On his swings of late:

“For me personally, it’s good to contribute and have some good ABs, no matter what the result is. Go up there and make the pitcher work some, so guys like Alex before or after me can get something done.”

On the sacrifice fly:

“If you roll over that pitch or pop it up it’s a bad at-bat, if you hit a sac fly it’s a good at-bat. I’m not trying to do too much. I’m trying to keep it simple and stay within myself, make sure I’m not getting too anxious. In that situation I really want to put the ball in play and I was able to do so.”

FREDI GONZALEZ

On Jurrjens night:

“I think the thing was his breaking ball, it kept going over the plate. Three of the home runs, two of them were breaking balls that didn’t do much. Third start coming off the DL, that’s why we ran him out there for another inning. Maybe get his pitch count up a little bit, maybe get through that inning, get some work in and get him over the hump. I saw some pretty good fastballs after the fact, after the home run, I saw some fastballs that had some life to it, down in the strike zone, the last inning the same thing. So maybe that last inning will get him going again.”

On Hernandez:

“Livan pretty much frustrated us all day long. He’s capable of doing that right there, give you seven innings, never gives in, a good athlete.”

On if lay-off hurt JJ:

“I think it might have helped him, recovering from his knee. It’s just one of those things. His stuff wasn’t quite there today.”

On Kimbrel pitching:

“We had to get him in there. It’s seven days, if he didn’t pitch today, it’s seven days without throwing. Same thing with Vizcaino. You don’t want that from a reliever. That’s why we threw O’Flaherty in New York on Friday because he had thrown three days before that and we knew he’d have three days.”

128 comments Add your comment

David from Athens, AL

August 30th, 2011
11:13 pm

Thanks Carroll … btw, Jason said continue to do well … not wrong!

Frank from KS (now living in CO)

August 30th, 2011
11:22 pm

Ya know, people are worried about Derek…..they better be worried about JJ too

Hosea Williams

August 30th, 2011
11:22 pm

Sorry I am on the road and didn’t get to see this game, anyone who watched..what was the fastest pitch JJ threw, or where were his pitches?….if he was 87 to 89 all night he’s got a dead arm or worse issues. Last game he broke 90 only twice, he doesn’t have the stuff to pitch like that without a 92 or 92 mph fastball.

Rafael

August 30th, 2011
11:27 pm

Just got home from my rounds at Grady Memorial Hospital and checked the Braves score. 9 to 2 LOSS… I did not know they moved Derek Lowe’s start up one day. What!!??? Derek Lowe didn’t pitch tonight… oh, Scott Linebrink made the start tonight. NO… Jair Jurrgens started!!!???? Great, now Jurrgens has caught the “LOUSY virus” from contaminated Derek Lowe (Lowe originally contacted the virus from Kawakami).

FUNNY just how MANY pitchers Jason Heyward has to “tip his hat” to this season.

Amazing how mediocre journeyman pitchers like Chris Capuano and Livan Hernandez can shut down the Braves bats.

Tommorrow night doesn’t look good for the good guys. Our Braves have trouble against John Lannon and DEREK LOWE is pitching.

Mister Frisky

August 30th, 2011
11:29 pm

The only thing good about dropping the last 3 of 4 and getting shut down by 3 journeymen pitchers is the talk of catching the Phillies can stop.This offense has a lot of issues to say the least.Next year when the rotation is filled with power pitchers and the offensive problems at short and right are addressed the Braves can take the east back.As for the playoffs this year I don’t have much faith.

NorCal Brave

August 30th, 2011
11:34 pm

Appreciate the quotes, Carroll. JJ has become a broken record trying to explain his struggles. The guy’s just not the same pitcher since coming off the DL. Prado and McCann are in the same boat.
I would give serious thought to at least platooning Martin in left with Constanza, batting Georgy 2nd
to put some energy in the offense. Move Freeman back to the 3rd spot.

Braves803

August 30th, 2011
11:36 pm

It’s obvious Rafael didn’t watch the game. Heyward’s bat scored the only 2 runs we have. Don’t mind you bashing when bashing is due, but give credit where it’s due as well.

Brave Fan from VA

August 30th, 2011
11:39 pm

Derek Lowe over his last two starts give up 3 runs 2 earned through 12 innings pitched and people are still giving him the the cold shoulder. He can’ t help it that the offense swings at everything during the course of the game and gets shoutout against bad pitching on a daily basis.

Bob

August 30th, 2011
11:39 pm

LOL are u f’n serious??

Livan… a journeyman pitcher?? guess that WS ring and 170+ wins are blinding you

DontStopTheChop

August 30th, 2011
11:40 pm

What is causing you to not have much faith that the Braves will make the playoffs frisky? How well the Giants are playing right now..?

Brave in Oregon

August 30th, 2011
11:40 pm

All I have to say is: are you kidding me JJ?

Mr. Enigma

August 30th, 2011
11:43 pm

Send Jurrjens to rot in Mississippi with Kawakami the rest of the season. Let Teheran or Delgado join the rotation for the end of the season. They have a playoff spot all but nailed down. Not a stress situation like last year with Beachy and Minor.

wins-by-a-link

August 30th, 2011
11:46 pm

I think FG and FW need to be really concerned about starting pitchers, Hanson may not return and JJ has not performed well since the all star break, His last start was shaky even though he won, with Hudson you never know what to expect, What was once viewed as a strong point is now in question, Lowe is usually dominate in Sept but I would not bet on that just yet, our hitting has been weak all year and now with the starters folding up I have to question our ability to go deep into the play-offs. Maybe now all those folks that wanted to trade Minor for Beltran (including ajc writers) can see why that was a bad idea.

BravesfaninWis

August 30th, 2011
11:46 pm

Looks like the Braves are back to their old tricks, getting their asses handed to them by horrible teams like the Mets and Nationals. This is the time where good teams are usually playing their best ball, can’t say that about these Braves.

JAFO

August 30th, 2011
11:48 pm

Bravos sp in trouble. JJ is clearly not the same guy he was prior to the AS game. Huddy and beachy become the anchors. Give hanson all the time he needs. Stark contrast from first to second half.

Mister Frisky

August 30th, 2011
11:51 pm

Don’t Stop,Braves are makin the playoffs.But a shortage of hard throwing starting pitchers,and a lot of problems on O are gonna be a an issue against the Brewers.Next year when the rotation is Hudson and the kids with the live arms and SS and RF are fixed the dynasty will begin.

DontStopTheChop

August 30th, 2011
11:52 pm

Yea after I re-read what you wrote I realized you meant they would struggle IN the playoffs. My b

Tip O' the Cap

August 30th, 2011
11:56 pm

And now Freddi has gotten Heyward to start tipping his cap, too. Where is the burn, the desire, the urgency???

LOL. I started looking ahead at the schedule and have spotted another 3 game “break”. Those will be the last 3 games of the season — against the Phils. There sure won’t be a question of winning the division. Do MLB rules allow a voluntary forfeit?

Largo

August 30th, 2011
11:56 pm

Some sandlot players are more impressive than JJ. He has nothing left. Fredi said his stuff wasn’t quite there tonight. Hell, he has no “stuff.” He can’t throw hard enough to break an egg and his breaking ball, if he has one, sucks big time. Glavine said he might be throwing his fast ball with less velocity for a reason, maybe for location or better results. Well, whatever the reason, IT AIN’T WORKING!

What can I say about our offense. They can’t even hit an old fat man. Nice work, guys.

Mister Frisky

August 30th, 2011
11:57 pm

It’s all good Don’t Stop.

Allan

August 30th, 2011
11:58 pm

Don’t want to hear about the layoff hurting the Braves. The Phillies had it worst including travel delays and they just crushed the Reds.

Go bravos!

August 31st, 2011
12:00 am

9-2!!!! Come on braves!

NickB

August 31st, 2011
12:19 am

It’s one game after a layoff…. I’m not sweating it…..

JJ is a concern however, it appears to me that everything has been spinning and not breaking. However, I kinda mentioned a few months ago that I wouldn’t be surprised to see him have a crappy run of games because his peripheral numbers(FIP, xFIP, bABIP weren’t adding up with his counting stats (wins, ERA, WHIP). It really looked like he was getting very lucky….. I just hope he isn’t hurt and either covering it up, or doesn’t realize it.

Mike McDonald

August 31st, 2011
1:13 am

Freddi is out of his depth. This ex-fish stinks from the head and is clueless about how to manage talent. As the pressure ratchets up, he and his staff are likely to belly up. A sad fish tail to a hopeful season.

Tim

August 31st, 2011
1:13 am

Rafeal………..head back to the hospital where you are more useful. Are you a Braves fan or do you just pull for them come playoff time? Let me guess, you are the biggest Falcons fan now as well.

extremus

August 31st, 2011
1:20 am

At this point I think the Braves would welcome realignment back to the NL West if it meant not having to play the Nationals 18 times a year. Frustrating as can be that we ALWAYS lose ground on the Phillies when we play the Nats.

Linebrink for (Re)Cy(cling Bin)

August 31st, 2011
1:36 am

Just got home, saw the score and then looked at play-by-play

Seems once again they left some big runners on base that could have altered the game in their favor:

Bottom 2nd, Nats lead 1-0, Braves load the bases with 0 outs with a chance to do a bit of damage: Alex shows he’s not a good situational hitter and fouls out, Jason at least gets the sac fly, and then then JJ grounds out and they once again falter big in a bases loaded/no outs spot (very next inning, due to change in momentum Nats get two 2 out hits and retake the lead).

Bottom 4: Uggla singles, Chipper moves him over to 2nd with 1 out, F5 can’t get him over or in, Alex walks, and Heyward fouls out to end the inning with 0 damage (momentum shifts again, Nats get 2 on, 1 due to pitcher’s hit, and then it’s a 3 run homer and the Braves don’t threaten again)

Since they still have a ways to go before clinching a spot, if they make it, if they want to make October baseball last, their fates may ride on 1) starting pitching and 2) ability to get runners over and in once they get them on base

Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
1:45 am

“If the Braves were disoriented after a Hurricane Irene-induced three-day break, the Nationals didn’t help.”

No, the Braves were disoriented because their starting pitcher, that was supposed to use this time off to correct his mechanics, is clearly still hurt. I don’t give a damn what was said after the game…JJ is still hurt. I will not accept that he sux this bad now. If he does, God help us.

The Snatchionals? Really?

Barry

August 31st, 2011
1:52 am

I’m pretty sure the Braves will make the playoffs this year but they will be limping into them. Jurrjens seems to have forgotten how to pitch after coming off the DL. He’s been absolutely terrible the last couple of times out. Hanson is also injured and was in denial about it until the Braves organization forced him to get checked out. Lowe is pretty much useless. The only starters carrying this team right now is Hudson (even though he had a bad outing against the Mets) and the two young kids in Beachy and Minor.

I don’t understand how this Braves team is completely unable to score any runs off Livan Hernandez. It’s not like he’s throwing Linsecum sliders or 98 mph fastballs by people I mean COME ON!!! This is just downright pathetic. Yea Hernandez might be able to located well but his pitches are so darn slow Braves players should have plenty of time to see and hit the ball in those locations.

The Braves offense has been completely shut down the last two games. Heyward seems to be a big bust with a lot of hype but not much to back it up after his rookie season. This Braves offense can’t seem to get the clutch hit when they need it. They have been fortunate with home runs from McCann, Uggla, and Freeman to carry this offense. Braves will probably make the playoffs but right now this team isn’t built to make a run at the playoffs. This is the kind of stuff that’s seperate the Braves from the Phillies. Others may argue with me but Phillies have better pitching and players that know how to hit with guys on base.

jc_dawgs

August 31st, 2011
2:02 am

Braves……..WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:49 am

You know who else won? Me…cause I didn’t have to see us lose to the Snacthionals. I was busy elsewhere…

AZBravoFann

August 31st, 2011
2:59 am

My only question from the game is how in the world did Martin not get to Livan ’s ball before he made it to second???

clay

August 31st, 2011
3:02 am

I love how when we lose. Everyone knows what to do to fix it.

Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
3:06 am

I have no idea what to do fix us other than be away when we lose. There is one thing more important than winning…

timboy6

August 31st, 2011
3:12 am

Got a month left before the playoffs. I think we’ll turn it around before then. Don’t need any more lay offs in the schedule. It all started with the All Star Break. Just seems to take some time after lay offs. Odd.

NorCal Brave

August 31st, 2011
3:33 am

Linebrink for….: There were a couple of missed scoring oppts., but overall offense wasn’t much better than the 2-hit effort against the Mets last Friday. This one came down to JJ having another terrible outing and the Nats tacking on 3 more against Martinez. Prado and McCann continue to fight post-DL slumps, but JJ is the biggest concern; he keeps saying he just needs to fix his mechanics, an excuse that is getting pretty tiresome.

Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
3:40 am

There are 2 things that matter to me right now:

The Braves making the World Series

Wearing Brooklyn Decker’s ass as a hat

Go Braves…and GO ME!!

Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
3:51 am

Hey, how about JJ taking the break to work on his mechanics…Go on the fluffin DL JJ. You’re done. Give us a puncher’s chance of beating the Phoolies in the NLCS.

Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
3:55 am

I’m done. Trade JJ for whatever you can get right now. He is clearly never going to be a force when it counts. He is worth something to some dumbass team, so make the deal. Its a shame, cause he is awesome when it doesn’t matter…

Bruce Benedicts tight baby blue pants

August 31st, 2011
3:58 am

Barry—obviously they have not seen Livan enough.

Maybe this is the counter to the all star break…drum the Nats and then go on a .500 tear.

Bruce Benedicts tight baby blue pants

August 31st, 2011
4:02 am

Not a good way to end the break with the mailed in performance at NY and last night. The vets need to pull this thing together.

Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
4:07 am

It’s ok, cause clearly JJ is ready to lead us to a championship. Wait…he couldn’t beat the Snatchionals. Please shut him down.

wallypip

August 31st, 2011
4:15 am

As I posted on the item about Minor, the Braves are a month from the playoff with only one reliable and proven pitcher, Hudson, and one other reliable pitcher, Beachy. JJ ain’t gonna win a post-season game this year. Neither is Tommy Hanson. Neither is Derek Lowe. So, what’s the plan? The Braves have a month to figure out who their third and fourth playoff starters will be. Will they be young guns from within? Will the Braves snag a high-priced reliable starter off the waiver wire? Stay tuned.

Meanwhile, I agree that Constanza should bat second until Prado gets his mojo back. Prado is the engine of this offense, and when he struggles, the whole lineup struggles. He’s got to get it straightented out, and soon.

Stinger2

August 31st, 2011
4:24 am

The Braves need to wake up and realize they have a problem (whatever it is) when playing medicore teams.
FW and FG need to make some assessments of the pitching staff and do something.

Stinger2

August 31st, 2011
4:24 am

The Braves need to wake up and realize they have a problem (whatever it is) when playing medicore teams.
FW and FG need to make some assessments of the pitching staff and do something.

Von Trapp

August 31st, 2011
5:45 am

Send das crybabies home. Ve need only strong fans at das front line. Ve prepared for Der Bones Jones to delivers das large crowe pie tonights. Das all

dwayne

August 31st, 2011
6:05 am

Hey Knuckleheads, still think we catching the Phillies?

LOB Braves

August 31st, 2011
6:07 am

Starting pitching is hurting right now, but I think the biggest problem we have right now is the weak offense especially our no-hitting SS Seabass and the strike out machine Heyward. Prado is stinking it up also. Oh yeah forgot about McPopup.

joe

August 31st, 2011
6:09 am

at this point Jurgens andLowe give you no chance when you trot them out. We got three 21 year old pitchers that have a better chance of winning a game for you….

Ralph

August 31st, 2011
6:09 am

Bring up Teheran and Delgado today so they are on the post season roster, DFA Linesuck and Lugo. Post season rotation 1. Minor, 2 Teheran, 3. Delgado, Go with the future, they are not getting past the Brewers anyway.

panamajack

August 31st, 2011
6:24 am

Your right Ralph, do it today or forget it.

bustersonly

August 31st, 2011
6:27 am

Whatever we have on tonights roster, we are stuck with for the post season, get moving Frank.

BOBBY COX

August 31st, 2011
6:29 am

I would try and get NORTON on the bench for the post season, he can flat out hit.

Peachtree John

August 31st, 2011
6:30 am

I’ll say it again: send him down. Let him practice and learn how to pitch again in the minor leagues. He is of NO help to us up here.

nextyearsfantacy

August 31st, 2011
6:36 am

I would like to see as many of our future stars as possible in the lineup all through the rest of the season, get them ready for next year, hell we are not going anywhere in the post season anyway.

onlyonce

August 31st, 2011
6:41 am

I would say, trade Hanson and JJ for a player like Delgado or Kemp but I doubt you could give them away now, they are finished.

josh

August 31st, 2011
6:59 am

People keep saying we can’t beat medicore pitchers, well the big reason is we have 4 medicore pitchers going against their medicore pitchers combined with our less than medicore offense, what can we expect, bring on the young guns.

stoky

August 31st, 2011
7:00 am

Just got to tip your hat to them… Huddy Beachy Freddie Cruddy

a tool

August 31st, 2011
7:03 am

BACK TO THE FUTURE

originalralph

August 31st, 2011
7:06 am

The future is now, do it.

Good grief Charlie Brown

August 31st, 2011
7:24 am

Hernandez and the Nats are like friggin’ kryptonite to this team. Teheran and Delgado can’t get in the rotation fast enough.

damn that was an ugly game…no more 3 day layoffs.

George Washington

August 31st, 2011
7:26 am

Didn’t get to watch the game last night. How was the effort? It couldn’t have been worse than the last game against the Mets, could it? Every team has an unlucky game occasionally but every game needs 100% effort and the luck will take care of itself.

George Washington

August 31st, 2011
7:30 am

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Let's Go

August 31st, 2011
7:32 am

I think another stint on the DL is in order for Mr Jurrjens because I don’t care what he says his fastball is not what it was prior to the all star game. SInce right now Beachy & Minor are the 2 top pitchers on this staff I guess you could say the future is now so why not add Delgado & Teheran to the rotation with Hudson and go from there. Might as well see what next season is going to be like.

Dean

August 31st, 2011
7:48 am

7.5 games behind Philly and the Braves have played 3 more games than them. We have 6 games left head to head with Philly but like last year they will just line up their starting rotation and blow us away and now they have Cliff Lee to add to that rotation. I have tickets for the last 3 games of the season vs Philly that seem like now to be more like exhibition games rather then the division championship games I envisioned when purchasing the tickets last month. Should of known better!!

Charlie

August 31st, 2011
7:58 am

JJ is garbage. The first half for him was a fluke. We have the real JJ now. He has an weak 87 mph fastball, a hanger slider, and no location on his change up. The guy is a total loser, from a pitching stand point…and Brian McCann keeps asking for the slider, so the Nats can bury it. Real bright.
Fredi G. is an idiot, when it comes to managing a pitching staff. Let JJ hit in the 5th, and trot him out in the 6th, to give up another HR. Then he brings in Kimbrel for the 9th, in a 9-2 game. Fredi has not a brain in his head.
Our hitters mailed in another worthless effort. Mailed it in. I don’t care what excuses come from Joe S., or the players themselves. If the Braves don’t spit out the wildcard, the Phiilies will kill them anyway.
I can hardly wait for Fredi to trot Lowe out there tomorrow. He’ll get blasted, just as JJ did, and the batting order will mail in another piss poor effort.

Blackberry Cobbler

August 31st, 2011
8:06 am

Last night was the worst Braves game I’ve seen in a long time. The team looked like they were sleep-walking. No fire, no energy whatsoever.

It looks to me like this team has decided to just settle for the wild-card.

Just as well. They won’t catch the Phils anyway with this attitude and performance.

georgiadawgg

August 31st, 2011
8:13 am

THE BRAVES ARE PATHETIC. DOG TURD JAR IS NOT AS GOOD AS HE THINKS HE IS. ANOTHER LOSS TONIGHT , THE DRUNK IS PITCHING.

Donovan

August 31st, 2011
8:34 am

When the Braves win their value is acclaimed and their strengths are shouted from the roof tops. However, when they lose it is apparent that their mediocrity is glaring. Last night was a prime example of why this team will never achieve any post season success for quite some time. The often heralded Jurrjens is a joke. His history of injury, inconsistency, and suspect talent is a stone around the team’s neck. Placed in the mix of a weak hitting offense and a power hitting catcher who is defensively deficient, Jurrjens is another empty uniform that steals a sizeable pay check. When this team cannot handle a team that is a perennial loser it is time to call a spade a spade. Derek Lowe is next in line to illustrate the above mentioned lack of talent we have as a collective bunch imitating as a contender for the World Series. Management is bush league and so is the coaching to go along with this group of empty uniforms.

bill

August 31st, 2011
8:48 am

some of you guys make me laugh others make me afraid to be a Braves Fan. Every team goes through dry spells. You just hope to avoid them at playoff time. Go BRAVES!

phil

August 31st, 2011
9:16 am

georgiadawgg

August 31st, 2011
8:13 am
THE BRAVES ARE PATHETIC. DOG TURD JAR IS NOT AS GOOD AS HE THINKS HE IS. ANOTHER LOSS TONIGHT , THE DRUNK IS PITCHING.
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It’s the posts like this, you know, the ones from the heart, that make me feel all warm inside….

phil

August 31st, 2011
9:19 am

Charlie

August 31st, 2011
7:58 am
JJ is garbage. The first half for him was a fluke. We have the real JJ now. He has an weak 87 mph fastball, a hanger slider, and no location on his change up. The guy is a total loser, from a pitching stand point…and Brian McCann keeps asking for the slider, so the Nats can bury it. Real bright.
Fredi G. is an idiot, when it comes to managing a pitching staff. Let JJ hit in the 5th, and trot him out in the 6th, to give up another HR. Then he brings in Kimbrel for the 9th, in a 9-2 game. Fredi has not a brain in his head.
Our hitters mailed in another worthless effort. Mailed it in. I don’t care what excuses come from Joe S., or the players themselves. If the Braves don’t spit out the wildcard, the Phiilies will kill them anyway.
I can hardly wait for Fredi to trot Lowe out there tomorrow. He’ll get blasted, just as JJ did, and the batting order will mail in another piss poor effort.
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It’s a shame we’re so far under .500…

AB*Nation

August 31st, 2011
9:25 am

Braves mgt needs to draw a line in the sand for cutting bait on JJ getting his act together. The situation w/ Hanson only compounds problem in that, with postseason only a month away, they are going to have to make a decision on Delgado (or Vizcaino, as Teheran may carry more risk) to step into JJ’s starting spot. Screw the inexperience factor, I will take my chances w/ either in the playoffs… opposed to JJ serving up the same kind of bp balls as Lowe the rest of the way — which will likely continue vs. his making “mechanical adjustments”. Historically, this is where Braves mgt has failed and would rather preserve a players feelings vs. doing the right thing (aka Leibrandt Syndrome). Sucks to have not 1, but 2 of the top 3, pitchers regress thru injury or durability (mental or physical or both for JJ) in a season where they had a real shot at contending postseason. Future looks bright, regardless of bad luck, Go Bravos!!!!

Mets R Best

August 31st, 2011
9:33 am

My, my……what a butt kicking the Nats put on the Braves. Even worse that the one the Mighty Mets put on your overated team last Friday. What excuses this time? –did they have to go back home and pack again? Still worried about the hurricane?
We Mets fans can’t wait to beat up on Braves pitching again on Sept. 8.

darrell starks

August 31st, 2011
9:34 am

What are Braves waiting on it’s time to bring up the big dogs TEHERAN, DELGADO.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!

phil

August 31st, 2011
9:34 am

We have one reliable starter right now.

One.

Beachy and Minor are the other 2 alternatives and have very little experience.

Let’s try to be realistic here.

Without AT LEAST one other VETERAN starter in the mix come Milwaukee time, we are not going to advance.

Period. You know it. I know it. It makes me sick, but this game owes no one anything. We cannot rely on two part time rookie starters to carry us come crunch time.

Lowe, JJ or Hanson. One of the three needs to grow a pair at some point, stop the whining and bitching and complaining and whimpering and terrible pitching and walk out to the mound and do something positive to help the team WIN. It’s getting to the point with these 3 that I’m embarassed to even hear their names mentioned.

phil

August 31st, 2011
9:37 am

Mets R Best

August 31st, 2011
9:33 am
My, my……what a butt kicking the Nats put on the Braves. Even worse that the one the Mighty Mets put on your overated team last Friday. What excuses this time? –did they have to go back home and pack again? Still worried about the hurricane?
We Mets fans can’t wait to beat up on Braves pitching again on Sept. 8.
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Another day, another post for Metsrbest from the friendly confines of the break room at Attica state prison…

bvillebaron

August 31st, 2011
9:42 am

Last night’s performance didn’t surprise me one bit for several reasons:

(1) Braves always seem to play lousy the first game after a lay off;

(2) They seem to struggle against junkballers like Hernandez (which was compounded by the layoff);

(3) G(Nats) have always been a nemesis for the Braves; and

(3) JJ is still struggling to regain his form (maybe his knee is still bothering him).

For all you fair weather “fans” on here, the good news is that Hanson’s injury isn’t serious and the playffs start in October, not September, so don’t go breaking your ankles just yet!

bravesfaninNashville

August 31st, 2011
9:42 am

When JJ gets healthy enough to pitch well I think the Braves need to trade him for a position player because he’s going to leave as a Scott Boras client anyway. I don’t believe either he nor Tommy Hanson will reach the potential they had earlier in their careers. When you look at Maddux and Glavine those guys were never on the DL until very late in their careers into their mid to late 30’s. We have so much pitching stockpiled lets trade both of these guys before they get real expensive and at least get a shortstop, 3B or outfield prospect for each of them.

darrell starks

August 31st, 2011
9:49 am

The way JJ, HANSON, LOWE have pitch lately i would have a new pitching rotation.
1. HUDSON
2. BREACHY
3. MINOR
4. TEHERAN
5. DELGADO
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!

PMC

August 31st, 2011
9:54 am

It’s unbelievable how much they suck against the Nationals and Livan Hernandez.

ijudgenot

August 31st, 2011
9:57 am

I said yesterday that who started in right field Constanza or Heyward would show whether Fredi had been paying attention this year. Baseball is tansitioning from the game of the big boppers to a game of pitching.and speed. I am a big Heyward fan. This kid will be a big part of the Braves future. So when I said that Constanza should have started last night’s game, it did not mean to bench Heyward for the rest of the season. What I meant was that the situation(Hernandez pitching) meant that Constanza, a contact hitter with speed gave you a better chance to score runs than this year’s version of Jason Heyward. Hernandez now is a junk ball pitcher that relies on batters trying to hit his slow pitches out of the park, instead of just waiting and hitting the ball where it is pitched, like Freeman did in the second inning. A team like the Yankees or Boston would have scored 10 runs against Hernandez junk because they would have just singled him to death(death by a thousand cuts) instead of the Coc/Fredi approach swing for the fences and saee what happens. having Bourn’s and Constanza’s speed on this team is useless unless the manager is willing or knows how to use it Bourn led off the Braves half of the first with a single as he has done several times and Prado and did not sf or hit and run, nor did Bourn attempt to steal second base. Instead of putting immweiate pressure on Hernandez, the Braves wait for the big inning and let Prado swing away. I know Freeman is a rookie, but Fredi’s insistance of having McCann or Chipper in the 3rd spot is assinine. The lineup of Bourn, Prado, Freeman and Uggla at the top had the Braves engine’s purring, then Fredi sticks McCan into 3rd spot instead of hitting him 5th or 6th until he got his stroke grooved. What happened to going with the hot hand. That does not mean just that you start it also means where you have them situated in the line up. Baseball is transitioning, unfortunately Fredi is finding it hard to let go of the old Cox mentality of wait for the 3 run homer.

JAFO

August 31st, 2011
9:57 am

SIT hitting is the definition of inept. Once they got down 5-1, time for sox yanks on mlb. What’s the braves record when they DON’T hit a homerun?

henry from TN

August 31st, 2011
9:57 am

the braves only left 5 on base last night the redsox left 16 against the yankees so good teams have bad games and leave runners on base…livan hernandez pitches like jamie moyer and the braves had trouble against him….

Brandon

August 31st, 2011
9:58 am

Looking at jurrjens, I began to see his fastball hit the 90s again. Good sign. Only real problem was his breaking ball. By the postseason, I’m sure he will have fully regained his form. All young pitchers face adversity( lincecum last season?) people need to relax. Derek Lowe actually has pitched better his last 2 starts. Hudson and beachy have been 2 of the best pitchers since the all star break. Heyward is improving. Yeh, we lost to the nationals, but what’s new? At least we will be playing above 500 teams in the postseason. That’s where the braves really shine. Go braves.

JAFO

August 31st, 2011
10:06 am

I’m sure you’re not comparing the sox offense to the braves. The SIT has been pathetic all season. This is nothing new and it will be a glaring deficiency in the playoffs.

stew

August 31st, 2011
10:08 am

JJ is just a pitch away from 91-93 and going the way we started. Anyway, the rotation now should be Huddy, Beachy, and Minor. We should wait on Hanson. Lowe should be traded for anything we could get. Why is everybody panicking? Friday’s game was the hurricane. Nobody wanted to play. Then, we had three days off. They had just won 17 out of 23 games. Don’t worry. We got Bourn and Constanza and a new running offense. We didn’t expect for Constanza to hit .400 did we?

hawk TN

August 31st, 2011
10:08 am

the cardinals i think should the most concern for the braves in the wild card, because they have the best offense in the national league and their pitching is getting better only 8.5 back in the wild card….

STRETCH

August 31st, 2011
10:09 am

The reall JJ has finally shown up. Topping out at 87mph is not gonna cut it. Im watching this guy last night and im thinking to myself, he’s worse than Hanson when it comes to mechanics.

He was serving the ball on a platter and the Nats were just sittin back and teeing off! He clearly didnt have it and hasnt had it since the break but Bobby Cox Light keeps trotting him, Lowe and Hanson(if it had not been for the shoulder) out there. None of these three has a pitch that they can pull out of their arsenal to blow a guy away when they need to.

And people saying it was cause of the long break. Bulletin: Did anyone see was Halladay did last night after 8 days off? Then he cleared the bases with a double!

And Livan Hernandez, I REALLY HATE THAT GUY! Did he even top out in the 90’s at all last night? The Braves as a collective unit really had no idea at the plate last night. HE THREW THE SAME TWO PITCHES ALL NIGHT!!!

They made Livan look like Nolan Ryan out there. And speaking of offense, this is not the time for the Jekyll to show up. No discipline at all. Bases loaded and NO outs and very fortunate to get ONE run that inning.

If they go into the post-season like this, folks get ready for another FIRST ROUND elimination!

And I love Chipper, watched his very first game, but its time for something to happen. Even when he is healthy he is not worth the money he’s getting. For that kinda money, if im an owner, im expecting 150 games, 30 hrs, 120 rbi’s. Re-structure the contract next season and start moving forward.

Steve

August 31st, 2011
10:10 am

Bad time for the pitching AND hitting to go south.Need to have Costanza in the line up with Bourn to give the Offense a boost.

Mister Frisky

August 31st, 2011
10:10 am

Darrell Starks you are spot on dude.This year is a bonus.The Braves will be great again with your rotation and a trade for a hitting SS and some type of resolution to RF.Get Hanson and Jurjens healthy and sucker them off to a willing taker.Playoff success will only come with a power rotation.

Mister Frisky

August 31st, 2011
10:14 am

One more thing what’s Prado’s problem.Beginning to think last year was a career year and he is just a 265 hitter oh well that’s still better than three other starters and the pitchers spot.

phil

August 31st, 2011
10:18 am

I said something about Prado and the career year back in March and was blasted for daring to suggest such a thing….

The Sertoma Kid

August 31st, 2011
10:20 am

Why did Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux have to get old?

Mister Frisky

August 31st, 2011
10:20 am

I think you were right Phil 267 not gonna cut it in the 2 hole.

JAFO

August 31st, 2011
10:22 am

AG’s at bat with the bases loaded, no one out, and a 2-1 count was clearly the ab of the year. A spectacle to behold.

MF- right on with prado. Almost like he’s out of gas.

Mister Frisky

August 31st, 2011
10:31 am

JAFO absolutely right about AG,all his at bats are a spectacle.I know his D is great but he seems to always come up with guys on due to the fact the 4 5 6 seem to get on base all the time.Moving forward that has to be addressed.Gonzalez,Heyward,and the pitchers spot against the best starters in the playoffs leaves me little hope.

MIdtown

August 31st, 2011
10:34 am

JJ, you are admitting that you are making mistakes, that some of your pitches are not working, and that your pitching mechanics need some work

… and the problem is that you are trying to do too much? You need to “start having fun and hope that the ball rolls to your side”?

This pitching business must be more fickle and harder than I realized, even for the professionals.

JAFO

August 31st, 2011
10:48 am

MF- without georgie down there it’s a batting order of 6.

Supes

August 31st, 2011
10:57 am

I was at the game…Jair looks finished. He’s lost mph of his fastball and there was only on average about 5 mph difference from his breaking pitch…that’s not enough to consistently throw off timing. On top of that his location is off.

I’m sorry but I hope Wren doesn’t sign him to any contract and he’s the one to be traded. yes i know Tommy Hanson may end up having arm issues but at least he’s got out pitches, he’s a strikeout pitcher. Jair just looks average at best long term.

Our offense once again had a chance to break the game open…bases loaded 0 out and they only scored the 1 run. Just looking bad right now.

In the words of Pedro this is what the braves offense post game comment should be:

I JUST call LIVAN my daddy and go about my business. Owned by a fat bastard that tops out with a fastball that would make Jamie Moyer proud and pitch till he’s 55! Unreal how they struggled again.

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