Kimbrel’s run has been something to behold

CHICAGO – On the way to converting his 40th save Tuesday night to tie the major league rookie record and extend his ridiculously long scoreless streak, Craig Kimbrel gave up a bloop hit to Aramis Ramirez with two out in the ninth inning.

It was a pitch Kimbrel said was located poorly and could have been hit a lot farther, so he felt fortunate.

Kimbrel tied the major league rookie record with his 40th save Tuesday in a 5-4 win against the Cubs.

Kimbrel tied the major league rookie record with his 40th save Tuesday in a 5-4 win against the Cubs.

Well, it says something about Kimbrel’s nasty repertoire that he can mislocate a pitch and have it only blooper by Ramirez, because the hottest hitter in baseball right now could probably count on one hand the number of mistake pitches he’s done that to in the past couple of weeks.

Oh, yes, Aramis Ramirez has been even hotter lately than Dan Uggla, albeit for a shorter period.

These numbers from the Cubs third baseman are hard to fathom: Ramirez is 27-for-48 (.563) during a 12-game hitting streak with three doubles, four homers, 14 RBIs and an .875 slugging percentage.

He is 8-for-9 in the first two games of this four-game series with the Braves, including a career-best 5-hit game Tuesday. The man has nine multi-hit games in his past 12, including four games with three or more hits.

Oh, and this is hardly the first time the Braves have seen this guy do damage. For whatever reason, he’s teed off against Braves pitching like few others over the years.

Ramirez has a stunning .387 career average in 62 games against the Braves, with 17 doubles, 13 homers, 40 RBIs and a 1.049 OPS in 240 at-bats.

And are you ready for this? In his past eight games against Atlanta, he’s 22-for-34 (.647) with two homers, nine RBIs and nine runs. He’s had seven multi-hit games in those eight, and three or more hits in five.

But you didn’t come here to read about Ramirez and the Cubs, so let’s change the subject. Back to Kimbrel.

♣ Kimbrel with a big K: The ascendant Braves rookie has been the best closer in baseball this season. He’s 15 years younger than his retired mentor Billy Wagner was last season, when a 38-year-old Wagner was the best Braves closer since John Smoltz.

Kimbrel, 23, overcame an inconsistent early season stretch to become the most dominant reliever in baseball over the past two months, currently riding a 32-appearance scoreless streak that spans 31-2/3 innings, during which he’s allowed 12 hits and 10 walks with 55 strikeouts.

He has 14 strikeouts with two walks in six innings over his past six appearances, and the babe-faced assassin from Alabama has 103 strikeouts and 25 walks in 63-2/3 innings this season.

No other major league reliever has as many as 85 strikeouts, and Kimbrel’s 14.56 strikeouts per nine innings is more than three strikeouts above the next-highest rate in the NL, Carlos Marmol’s 11.38 for the Cubs.

The end result will be a season that should compare favorably with Wagner’s 2010 or Smoltz’s 2002, when the bearded icon set an NL record with 55 saves (Eric Gagne matched it a year later).

John Smoltz set the Braves and NL record with 55 saves in 2002, equaled the following season by the Dodgers' Eric Gagne

John Smoltz set the Braves and NL record with 55 saves in 2002, equaled the following season by the Dodgers' Eric Gagne

(By the way, as much as the reliever phase of Smoltz’s career is remembered for his record 55 saves in ’02, his performance in ’03 surpassed it by most measures. In that ’03 season he had a 1.12 ERA and 0.870 WHIP (walks-plus-hits per inning pitched), with a jaw-dropping strikeouts-to-walks ratio of 73/8 in 64-1/3 innings.

Yes, 73 strikeouts with eight walks.

For Kimbrel, the last run against him was June 11 at Houston. Manager Fredi Gonzalez used Jonny Venters in two save situations that week, because Kimbrel had been shaky in recent outings and Venters was the league’s hottest reliever to that point of the season. (Both made the All-Star team and have formed, with Eric O’Flaherty, the most dominant relief trio in years.)

At that time, Kimbrel had a 3.38 ERA and .229 opponents’ average in 33 appearances, with five blown saves in 23 opportunities

Braves bullpen coach Eddie Perez says Kimbrel is a right-handed version of  Billy Wagner (above), the 2010 Braves closer who served as a mentor to the rookie.

Braves bullpen coach Eddie Perez says Kimbrel is a right-handed version of Billy Wagner (above), the 2010 Braves closer who served as a mentor to the rookie.

After considering making a change and having Venters at least split the closer duties with Kimbrel, Gonzalez decided to keep Kimbrel in the primary closer role.

Kimbrel hasn’t given up a run, earned or otherwise, in more than two months since then. In 32 scoreless appearances since then, opponents have hit .114 against him, and he’s 22-of-22 in save opportunities.

His next save will move Kimbrel past Neftali Feliz for the major league rookie record. Feliz, a former Braves prospect, had 40 saves last season for Texas.

Kimbrel tied the record Tuesday when he struck out pinch-hitter Tyler Colvin with Ramirez at second base in a 5-4 game (Ramirez had advanced on an error by right fielder Jason Heyward).

“I would like to see how many of those are one-run games,” Gonzalez said. “It seems like every night it’s one run….”

Actually it’s 18 one-run save opps for Kimbrel, who has converted the last 11.

“He’s just so composed,” Gonzalez said. “He’s not just a fastball guy anymore. He threw three breaking balls to the last guy. He’s learning. He’s getting better. He’s been terrific, really.”

Chipper Jones was asked late Tuesday what Kimbrel has shown him this season.

“Fearless,” Jones said. “Absolutely fearless. I think he realized really early on in the season, I throw the ball 100 miles an hour, and 99 percent of the people in the big leagues, you can tell them 99 [mph] is coming and they ain’t going to hit it. And he’s got a devastating breaking ball to boot. And he commands both.

“To listen to guys on other teams talk about our guys at the end of the bullpen, it’s really amazing. That they have harnessed everything this quickly. The kid’s got 40 saves before the end of August.”

After the major league rookie record, the next saves mark ahead of Kimbrel will be tough to reach this season. That’s the Smoltz/Gagne 55-save NL record, which is also obviously the Braves team record.

Kimbrel got his 40th save Tuesday in the Braves’ 130th team game. In 2002, Smoltz had 45 saves (in 49 opportunities) after 130 team games.

While it’s certainly possible that Kimbrel could reel off 15 saves in the surging’ Braves last 32 regular-season games, the likelihood may be that they will want to rest him a bit more in the final weeks before the postseason.

The Braves have won six in a row and 15 of 19 to move to a season-high 26 games over .500 (78-52), the fourth-best record in the majors. They’re still 6-1/2 games behind Philadelphia in the NL East, while the Braves have extended their wild-card lead to a seemingly insurmountable 9-1/2 games over San Francisco and 10-1/2 over St. Louis.

They certainly don’t want to take their foot off the gas and coast in the final weeks. But unless the Braves believe they have a legit chance to catch Philadelphia and win the division and home-field advantage that would go with that,  I’d expect they’ll try to get Kimbrel and fellow workhorses Venters and  O’Flaherty a bit more rest to make sure they’re as fresh as possible for the playoffs.

Particularly since hard-throwing recent rookie arrival Arodys Vizcaino has shown he can handle big late-innings situations, and Peter Moylan should be back from the DL after rosters expand next week. Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado could also be options in September.

Kimbrel doesn’t think much about rest. Or records, or streaks. He just takes the ball whenever the call is made to the bullpen, and goes to work mowing down hitters.

“I’ll look back on it at the end of the year,” he said of his growing list of accomplishments. “Right now I’m just worried about helping us win and helping us get to the playoffs and through the playoffs.”

BRAVES LINEUP

  1. Bourn  CF
  2. Prado LF
  3. McCann C
  4. Uggla 2B
  5. Freeman 1B
  6. Jones 3B
  7. Heyward RF
  8. Gonzalez SS
  9. Lowe RH

♣ OK, outta time. Let’s close with best song off the Smashing Pumpkins’ 1995 double CD Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Frontman Billy Corghan is from the Chicago ‘burbs. You can hear the studio version by clicking here, or click here to see them do a live, acoustic version of the song that might be even better.

Smashing_pumpkins_1990_promo_cropped

“TONIGHT, TONIGHT” by Smashing Pumpkins (Corghan)

Time is never time at all
You can never ever leave without leaving a piece of youth
And our lives are forever changed
We will never be the same
The more you change the less you feel
Believe, believe in me, believe
That life can change, that you’re not stuck in vain
We’re not the same, we’re different tonight
Tonight, so bright
Tonight

And you know you’re never sure
But you’re sure you could be right
If you held yourself up to the light
And the embers never fade in your city by the lake
The place where you were born
Believe, believe in me, believe
In the resolute urgency of now
And if you believe there’s not a chance tonight
Tonight, so bright
Tonight

We’ll crucify the insincere tonight
We’ll make things right, we’ll feel it all tonight
We’ll find a way to offer up the night tonight
The indescribable moments of your life tonight
The impossible is possible tonight
Believe in me as I believe in you, tonight

– David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

2,005 comments Add your comment

reckingball

August 24th, 2011
3:40 pm

reckingball

August 24th, 2011
3:40 pm

Jimmy

August 24th, 2011
3:43 pm

Mets up 7-3 headed to the 7th.
Now, to read the blog.

Irene

August 24th, 2011
3:44 pm

Here I come!

noliee

August 24th, 2011
3:46 pm

A manager should play the best, most talented, most skilled players virtually everyday the whole season unless the team acquires someone who is clearly better, more talented, more skilled; or unless there is an injury….Shaun

I’m on board with this especially theoretically . and this is what most teams would like to be able to do. The anti-hot hand approach.obviously when those deemed as the best players fall way below expectations for very long time it opens up second thoughts especially to impatient fans

FlyOnTheWall

August 24th, 2011
3:48 pm

3 wasted ABs in the lineup tonight 7,8,9…I sure hope Lowe can keep us close…go Braves

timthebrave

August 24th, 2011
3:48 pm

The bullpen has been amazing!!

Mixxo

August 24th, 2011
3:48 pm

Uh oh, the Brewers are losing.

Is The Prince going to beat someone up?

Dennis Reynolds

August 24th, 2011
3:49 pm

dob,
any chance we get Infante back?

timthebrave

August 24th, 2011
3:50 pm

I hope that Lowe can be more consistent. Great outing last time would be cool if he could follow it up. Plus I have $5 bet on every game in the series so I’m going to get greedy and hope for a sweep

reckingball

August 24th, 2011
3:50 pm

that’s stupid

noliee

August 24th, 2011
3:52 pm

I like smashing pumpkins with my Uzi 9 mikemike

Jimmy

August 24th, 2011
3:52 pm

Yeah, Brew Crew lost.
That game in Denver shaping up into “one of those Mile-High games”.
Rcokies 4, Astros 4 after two innings. 11 hits so far.

Carolina Gent

August 24th, 2011
3:52 pm

DOB,
With both the Braves and, apparently, Hurricane Irene both headed to New York this weekend, with at least category 2 storm conditions likely by Sunday, are there any discussion between the Braves and Mets about doubling up Friday? Since this is our last visit to Citi Field this year, seems like the Mets would want to make sure to get all 3 in and not have to postpone to a later day off.

Shaun

August 24th, 2011
3:53 pm

noliee, Yep. With baseball especially, it’s hard to appease a rabid fan base and the sports-talk crowd.

But I loved the exchange between Theo Epstein and some Boston sports talk radio guys: http://joyofsox.blogspot.com/2009/10/theo-we-ignore-rbi-in-front-office.html

He basically told them they didn’t know what they were talking about in a very honest and logical way. He wasn’t exactly kind about it but he also wasn’t overly harsh. He just said what needed to be said to get the point across that they didn’t have a clue what they were talking about.

ncscoots

August 24th, 2011
3:53 pm

The Alabama Assassin. I like it.

Where’s jeffrey? Notice the inverted W of Smoltz’s? Yet, there doesn’t appear to be much squeezing of the scapula nor a great deal of horizontal abduction. :-)

PDOG

August 24th, 2011
3:54 pm

Nice piece DOB, like the lineup by FG tonight. I hope the Braves are more concerned about Kimbrel and Venters health then they are about breaking records. Got to give those guys rest so that they are fresh for playoffs and that they are around for a few more years.

where are the true fans

August 24th, 2011
3:54 pm

I glad he turned it around from the beginning of the season. He had me thinking the same thing as when Protor went out.

Mixxo

August 24th, 2011
3:54 pm

noliee –

I’d like to use that Uzi on Billy’s whiny vocal cords. Ugh!!

AtlYnkHtr

August 24th, 2011
3:55 pm

I’m confused, Chipper says if you tell people 100 mph is coming 99% won’t be able to hit it? I thought the adage was major league hitters could hit a 120 mph fastball if they knew it was coming?

Mixxo

August 24th, 2011
3:55 pm

Haven’t read the blog yet…….I take it, it was good?

where are the true fans

August 24th, 2011
3:56 pm

Whenever he goes out, the people always shout, the Braves just blew another game, da da da da da.

noliee

August 24th, 2011
3:56 pm

when is an inverted W not an M?…. In baseball pitching vernacular

BoatDoc

August 24th, 2011
3:56 pm

Ramirez is hot, and it also seems like Castro and Barney turn it up a notch against us… but I like our chances.

Keep it up, Mets…

keylargo

August 24th, 2011
3:57 pm

Mets are beating the Phils 7 – 3 in the 7th. A Braves win tonight and we could be 5.5 out.

Fish Bisch

August 24th, 2011
3:57 pm

Why didn’t Fredi choose to walk Ramirez with 1st base open last night?

ncscoots

August 24th, 2011
3:58 pm

AYH, “You can time a jet plane if it’s straight.” is the phrase I think you’re looking for.

noliee

August 24th, 2011
3:58 pm

he wanted the fans to have sumthang to whine about even with a win

noliee

August 24th, 2011
3:58 pm

must not be straight

BoatDoc

August 24th, 2011
3:59 pm

Scoots – I think I heard that phrase credited to the late, great Edward Matthews.

BoatDoc

August 24th, 2011
3:59 pm

Scoots – I think I heard that phrase credited to the late, great Edward Matthews.

ncscoots

August 24th, 2011
4:00 pm

when is an inverted W not an M?…. In baseball pitching vernacular

Exactly, LOL. I’ve long wondered about the origins of such.

Bobby's Chauffeur

August 24th, 2011
4:00 pm

We continue with this conversation about Freddi playing Constanza vs Heyward. I don’t see the point. Constanza was a fill in. He surprised everyone and probably himself with all thos “lucky” or well placed hits. The point should have been, the guy added excitement to the team and fired the rest of the team up. Everyone got on board. The guy was showing them how to play with fire, something I feel had been missing on this team. The Braves certainly have the talent on paper. I just wonder if Constanza’s “fire” helped. (I know we had injuries to deal with at this time also)
I feel he was more valuable to the team than Heyward. I still think Heyward will carry this team in the playoff’s, at least that is my hope.

BoatDoc

August 24th, 2011
4:00 pm

Yikes sorry for the double post.

ncscoots

August 24th, 2011
4:02 pm

Eddie Matthews is a worth two posts. Easy.

TennesseePaul

August 24th, 2011
4:03 pm

Thanks for the work DOB.

GO BRAVES!!

Last 9 starts of the starting 9

_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS
Bourn__ .270 .325 .378 0.703
Prado__ .225 .262 .325 0.587
McCann_ .156 .270 .375 0.645
Uggla__ .250 .333 .594 0.927
Freeman .242 .257 .424 0.681
Chipper .455 .486 .818 1.305
Heyward .233 .324 .467 0.790
Seabass .194 .242 .323 0.565
Lowe___ .250 .294 .375 0.669

BoatDoc

August 24th, 2011
4:05 pm

That .455 by Chipper looks good, Tennessee. Lowe’s .250 doesn’t look bad either ;-)

noliee

August 24th, 2011
4:06 pm

I guess an “inverted W” just sounds more menacing scoots

phil

August 24th, 2011
4:07 pm

When the Phillies lose, the Braves lose….that’s why we picked up 2 games on em this week.

Mixxo

August 24th, 2011
4:07 pm

7-4 Mets…..bottom 7th.

Here. They. Come. 8O

DawgDad

August 24th, 2011
4:07 pm

Why is Jason Heyward in the lineup again? He should be in Gwinnett learning how to hit. Send the hitting coach with him, he’s making Pendleton look like a genius.

You know, with their starting rotation and lineup the Phillies aren’t going to be scared of anybody. But they should be.

reckingball

August 24th, 2011
4:07 pm

Metros 7 – Phillies 4 in bottom of 7th, with Manny Acosta on the mound for the Metros.

Heisenberg

August 24th, 2011
4:08 pm

Keep writing articles about how Heyward is struggling. Seems like everytime his hitting (or lack therof) headlines a blog, he has a big night. Kudos to the kid for staying positive.

phil

August 24th, 2011
4:08 pm

Bench Seabass and McFat….they’re killing us.

BravesFaninPA

August 24th, 2011
4:08 pm

Any word if MLB has talked with Braves and Mets about switching this weekend to Atlanta and moving the September series in Atlanta to New York?

phil

August 24th, 2011
4:09 pm

Acosta? Great…

ncscoots

August 24th, 2011
4:09 pm

nolie, yes, more negative, I guess. I mean, if you just call it “M” and “W”, how do you know which is good and which is bad?

BoatDoc

August 24th, 2011
4:10 pm

“Why is Jason Heyward in the lineup again? He should be in Gwinnett learning how to hit. Send the hitting coach with him, he’s making Pendleton look like a genius.”

Maybe because Constanza is under the weather, ankle-wise, and because Heyward has a lifetime avg vs the Cubs of about a zillion, including 3 hits with a Grand Slam last night.

But then again, I’m just guessing.

cricket

August 24th, 2011
4:10 pm

Check out a beat writer’s perspective, pretty sure DOB agrees with most of the points made here -

http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2011/08/tya-interview-with-marc-carig-33547

I like this :)

But I was surprised by the amount of criticism that amounted to little more than snark for snark’s sake. Sadly a lot of it came from sabermetric types — many of whom clearly didn’t know my work or my outlook on the game. They revealed this lack of familiarity by making all the blanket statements one would expect, assuming that for some reason that I bemoaned the change in the game, and that I was somehow beholden to the Church of Batting Average, RBI and Grit. To me, it’s the most unfair criticism, to assume that just because I’m in the mainstream media that I’m closed-minded about these things. Are we still fighting this stupid philosophical battle? It’s not 2002, anymore, and it’s been years since I’ve made a mom’s basement joke. So, save the snark.

AtlYnkHtr

August 24th, 2011
4:10 pm

scoots, right which contradicts Chipper’s statement but whatever, no biggie.

timthebrave

August 24th, 2011
4:11 pm

Shaun, the article is about JD Drew who lost his starting job to Josh Reddick before getting sent to the DL for slumping so bad

cricket

August 24th, 2011
4:11 pm

mets want it more than philies?

timthebrave

August 24th, 2011
4:12 pm

Shaun, the article is about JD Drew who lost his starting job to Josh Reddick for slumping so bad

JC from DR!

August 24th, 2011
4:12 pm

Have any of you ever watched Louis CK’s stand up comedy?, :lol: this guy is hilarious!!

CajunStorm

August 24th, 2011
4:13 pm

Kimbrel is just flat out Nasty. Venters is Stanky. O’Flat is Funky. And Delgado, Teheran, and Vizcaino are simply Musty!!! Our young guns are smelly good. Question I have for Braves mngmt is why would you not call the younguns up before the Sept call ups so they all could be eligible for the post season roster? IMHO, I trust these youguns more than “Can’t keep the score LOWE,” “my scorecard is in Peril, Sherrill,”or my era Line is on the Brink of disaster!” Just saying. The time and future is NOW…..and I’m rolling with the younguns.

Geaux Braveauxs

Heisenberg

August 24th, 2011
4:13 pm

Sure a MLB hitter could time a jet, but he is gonna need a bigger bat.

timthebrave

August 24th, 2011
4:13 pm

Shaun, I agree RBI’s are not important when “comparing players”

DawgDad

August 24th, 2011
4:14 pm

BoatDoc: I saw the game last night. I’m the guy that’s been posting how Heyward reminds me of Willie McCovey at the plate and how each has had struggles at age 22. Yeah, Freddi needs to take advantage of a hot Constanza (when healthy), but Heyward is the real deal.

BoatDoc

August 24th, 2011
4:14 pm

Heisenberg – I don’t know if *any* MLB hitter could hit a jet… but by golly Eddie Matthews could have!

Fish Bisch

August 24th, 2011
4:14 pm

Wandy Wells owns us :(

BoatDoc

August 24th, 2011
4:16 pm

DawgDad – so the other post was sarcasm? (It’s so hard to pick up on that with the written word…)

Shaun

August 24th, 2011
4:17 pm

timthebrave, yes, the article was also written in 2009, when Drew posted a .392 on-base and a .522 slugging, and when Jost Reddick played most of his games in Double-A.

JoshTown

August 24th, 2011
4:18 pm

Go braves indeed. I knew they had been on a roll, but 15-4 in their last 19 is fantastic. Ride the wave fellas! Great blog, DOB!

Lew

August 24th, 2011
4:18 pm

AYH – Yeah, they can hit that 100MPH fastball if they know it’s coming – however……….it’s that 85 MPH slider that they have to worry about so they never now when the fastball is coming.

ncscoots

August 24th, 2011
4:19 pm

Sure a MLB hitter could time a jet, but he is gonna need a bigger bat.

…and a pitcher without a wipeout slider. :-)

Jose Capellan is merely the example most readily to mind. That kid threw even harder than Kimbrel, if you can imagine such a thing. But he had nothing to get hitters off the gas. In addition, Kimbrel’s ball has late life, Capellan’s did not. Kimbrel hides the ball fairly well, Capellan did not. So, pretty much the same velocity, but one’s an All-Star and the other is…well, I don’t actually know where Capellan is, so I can’t rightly say.

brian

August 24th, 2011
4:19 pm

I am glad that Heyward is getting a second start but any word on Constanza?

AtlYnkHtr

August 24th, 2011
4:20 pm

Lew, yes you’re right, but the quote attributed to Chipper makes no mention of a slider. Just seemed odd that it contradicts what I have always heard.

cricket

August 24th, 2011
4:21 pm

Jimmy

August 24th, 2011
4:22 pm

7-4 Mets headed to bottom of 8th.

Lew

August 24th, 2011
4:22 pm

AYH – Since when have you started going by what you heard?

noliee

August 24th, 2011
4:23 pm

Are we still fighting this stupid philosophical battle? It’s not 2002, anymore…writer

obviously we still are, on a daily basis here on the ol’ blog, and not all of the snark comes from the sabergeeks

AtlYnkHtr

August 24th, 2011
4:24 pm

Someone find out if Moylan can play RF while Sherrill gets the 2nd out of the 6th and then Moylan comes back in to get the 3rd out. I remember Davey Johnson used to do this with Orosco and McDowell I think.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Wright-field-Astros-reliever-pitches-plays-ou?urn=mlb-wp16906

Lew

August 24th, 2011
4:24 pm

I wonder if Theo would be ignoring those RBI if he didn’t have five players likely to rack up 100 apiece this year?

Jimmy

August 24th, 2011
4:25 pm

One out PH double by Ross Gload.

noliee

August 24th, 2011
4:26 pm

prolly would, since sabermatics does and he is a sabergeek. he also ignores what the fans claim to want when he makes his decisions on personnel

cricket

August 24th, 2011
4:26 pm

obviously we still are, on a daily basis here on the ol’ blog, and not all of the snark comes from the sabergeeks

sabergeeks? :)

Lew

August 24th, 2011
4:26 pm

Why is Heyward playing tonight? After last night he has the hot hand. Tag, he’s it – for tonight anyway.

timthebrave

August 24th, 2011
4:26 pm

Shaun, Why would he bench JD Drew then? The stats show that he never should have lost his job…..

AtlYnkHtr

August 24th, 2011
4:26 pm

noilee, you saying you want a GM that listens to the fans?

Arthur Redding, Jr.

August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm

Kimbrel is a lock for Rookie of the Year. Fredi deserves a little credit for staying with Kimbrel when he went through that little rough spot earlier in the season.

Why did Minor even pitch to Aramis Ramirez with runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out last night?

Constanza has been great. And there’s no doubt that he deserves a spot on this team. But Heyward is the man in RF. And he needs to be getting the at-bats.

Gotta be pleased with Chipper but he needs a couple of off days every week. And this helps assure playing time for Constanza–and Hinske.

Really need for McCann to get going. But he did hit some balls hard last night and seems to be getting his timing back.

Heisenberg

August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm

Yes BoatDoc but he would still need a bigger bat.

Shaun

August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm

timthebrave, what do you mean, “when comparing players”? Why the quotes?

RBI are useless except as a team stat. The problem is it doesn’t account for creating RBI opportunities, which often takes as much or more skill, and ignores events that would have lead to RBI if a player’s teammates had been on base. If you are relying on RBI to tell you about a player’s production, you are basically assuming a player should be rewarded and punished based on opportunities and teammates.

Lew

August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm

noleeee- Most GM’s – if not all GMs- ignore fans when making decisions.

AtlYnkHtr

August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm

2 on 1 out for Polanco then Utley/Howard.

Jimmy

August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm

Victorino safe on error. Gload to third.
First and third..1 down.

cricket

August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm

I like Theo but wonder what he could do with a measly 100mil payroll

Lew

August 24th, 2011
4:28 pm

What we need is an RBI Assist Stat. Maybe that would make Shaun happy.

ncscoots

August 24th, 2011
4:28 pm

obviously we still are, on a daily basis here on the ol’ blog, and not all of the snark comes from the sabergeeks

Atrocities on both sides. World Court for all. Talks for a negotiated peace have broken down, the parties have left the table.

noliee

August 24th, 2011
4:29 pm

my creation as far as I know, and playful , not as derogatory as it sounds since I am at least partially in that camp myself though I still adhere to my old scouting instincts too ;)

Lew

August 24th, 2011
4:29 pm

Of course, they’d likely call that stat Runs.

Jimmy

August 24th, 2011
4:29 pm

Polanco grounds into double play. They go to the 9th.

timthebrave

August 24th, 2011
4:29 pm

Shaun, Because RBI’s are very important in “winning games”

noliee

August 24th, 2011
4:29 pm

yes Lew I know, but I sense that some here do not believe that ;)

timthebrave

August 24th, 2011
4:30 pm

Shaun, You argue with me even when I agree with you. It’s better than arguing with yourself which I have seen you do in the last few days

noliee

August 24th, 2011
4:32 pm

I think that is a legitimate question cricket. he likely won’t ever have to show us though, at least as long as he is with Boston

Shaun

August 24th, 2011
4:32 pm

I wonder if Theo would be ignoring those RBI if he didn’t have five players likely to rack up 100 apiece this year?

Lew, Yes. He and his front office ignores RBI and always will. I don’t see what having five players likely to rack up 100 RBI a piece this year has to do with whether or not the front office ignores RBI. He has three pitchers that could win 15 games. I’m pretty sure they don’t look at pitcher wins, either.

timthebrave, what stats show that Drew should have never lost his job? Drew is a 35-year-old with a .317 OBP and .305 SLG this season.

ncscoots

August 24th, 2011
4:32 pm

since I am at least partially in that camp myself though I still adhere to my old scouting instincts too

You and I are the Swiss in this war. :-)

ray k.

August 24th, 2011
4:33 pm

DOB, that is the first time in 3 years I actually stopped and read the lyrics to the song you posted. I love the Pumpkins, saw Billy many times over the years–even solo. In person, anyone will tel you, the guy is a class act. Many fans think they peaked earlier with Siamese Dream, but in my estimation, Melancholy is their White Album.

Now maybe one of these days you’ll post a Cure song.

Chop Chop

August 24th, 2011
4:34 pm

The Phils’ loss today could spell the end of their season.

noliee

August 24th, 2011
4:34 pm

yup scoots. neutral ground can often be hard to find on the ol’ blog :?

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