4:46 pm August 23, 2011, by David O'Brien
August 24th, 20111:43 pm
JerseyGil – I don’t know. If needed, we’d probably have to go back there and play the Monday after the season ends. That’s my best guess. I’d rather play two Saturday, but I don’t think MLB can force the Mets to do that. Plus, you’ve got Fox involved.
DOB – You got any insight on this situation?
jeffery d The DH makes sense…pitchers aren’t hitters.
bull crap man. tell that to ruth. you should be ashamed.
10paul Why would any one want to see excellent defenders/weak hitters hit? Just have an offensive line and a defensive line.
great point. exactly the same argument as not making the pitcher hit.
It surprised me too, but Jaime Garcia didn’t get a single Cy Young vote last year.
Okay – I vaguely remember that he was in the conversation in the media. Sub 3.00, ERA, good numbers overall.
August 24th, 20111:44 pm
Unless Heath Bell has learned to slug, I don’t know that he’ll be too much help to the Gents. Guess he’d fill the void if Wilson is out for long.
Bell almost fell to the Braves… I think he’d be good pitching the 6th for us, on days when Vizcaino needs a rest, lol.
Nova Scotia Steve - EOF, Venters & Kimbrel are "The Untouchables"
They would need to work out a trade for Bell. Padres source has been quoted as saying Bell is unlikely to be traded.
However, I believe if the Giants part with some of their high end prospects it would be difficult for the Pads to turn down a deal. Given Bell is arbitration eligible at seasons end.
August 24th, 20111:46 pm
Other than if we managed to catch Philly………either way Arizona and San Fran are racing to see who plays in Philly and we’d get the Brew?
Brian from SC
Why don’t pitchers work on their hitting so they’re not embarrassments? Guys like Glavine and Maddux did things to help themselves at the dish.
August 24th, 20111:47 pm
Fols, that’s correct. The Braves are 99% likely to make the playoffs, and probably over 90% likely to be playing Game 1 of the NLDS in Milwaukee.
August 24th, 20111:48 pm
I came across this mind-boggling fact the other day. A pitcher, great hitter. But that large man had a few inside the park HRs – a few of them !!
The Giants need to lease some offense. Wonder if The Beard will come back full strength this year. Bell and The Beard could be a faint shadow of The Braves 3-headed Beast (and isn’t Vizcaino approaching a 4th head?) Also wonder if Peter Mo will return in time for post-season and (most importantly) pitching effectively.
August 24th, 20111:49 pm
Does this start to make more sense to you on why they weren’t treated the same?
They were treated the same. None of them were benched in May, June or July. Bench occurred in August.
Since May 1st one had hit .295/.336/.447/.783 through July 31st, Another had begun a 33 game hit streak and the last of the three had hit .201/.290/.332/.621. Looking at those numbers, in a post-season race, which one would you think could be benched for a potential change or upgrade or anything? They were all given the same amount of time to get healthy and get going. Two did. One didn’t. The one who didn’t was the youngest one who happens to have a viciously rabid and overly obsessed fan with access to a keyboard.
August 24th, 20111:50 pm
The DH makes sense…pitchers aren’t hitters.
Babe Ruth was a Pitcher. It’s just that in the modern game pitchers are specialized and not given the time or coaching to become good major league hitters. If they put in the time they probably could be good hitters. I would think most of them were the best hitters, fielders and pitchers on their HS team. That’s how they get drafted in the 1st place. Most pitchers start out as the best overall player/athlete on their team.
Braves vs Brew is actually got the making of a great series.
I’ll still hope to catch Philly but that is 100% based on our head to head series.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
If I were the Padres, I’d want to keep Bell…
Wow. Handling one player differently than another. Imagine.
Wasting the sarcasm on that guy, Mike. Might as well ask an ex-wife to quit b!tchin’ about week-late alimony. Can’t be done.
And, naturally, we have this to anticipate with high joy: if Heyward returns to chiseled-Greek-god-ness next year, we’ll get umpty-million cock-crowing posts about how every single person in the universe (save one) was wrong.
August 24th, 20111:51 pm
cabravesfan (August 24th, 2011 12:51 pm): “It’s too early for this. Why did I have to go and comment? I’m And Idiot.”
I believe the proper expression is:
“Ise And Idiot.”
(Or maybe “Ice”?)
Going to be a hard adjustment for Moylan to come back from all that Twittering!
August 24th, 20111:52 pm
Another reason for the Braves to continue to try to catch the Phillies. Against the Brewers home field advantage is no small thing.
Brewers at home – 31 games over .500
Brewers on the road – 6 games UNDER .500
Braves are a more balanced 10 games over on the road, and a superb 16 games over at The Ted.
…about how every single person in the universe (save one) was wrong.
eh. Quickly refuted with the demand to prove a negative. It should carry us through the season.
August 24th, 20111:53 pm
August 24th, 20111:54 pm
Unfortunately BoatDoc, as it stands now, should the Braves meet the Brewers in the post season, the Brewers will have home field advantage in scheduling. The Braves will be a road team until they reach the WS.
August 24th, 20111:55 pm
It should carry us through the season.
More like carrying us through a grove of thorn-bushes. Naked.
4-2 Mets…That guy Victorino 2 rbi
timthebrave, Prado should have been the regular secondbaseman if the Braves had determined Uggla wasn’t fit for that position any longer at some point this season. But even Conrad is a better player than Constanza, if we are going by overall skills and track record beyond a relative few games.
Hinske or even Constanza would have been Prado’s backup in leftfield.
So the players’ backups make no sense if that’s the excuse for why Uggla and Prado were treated differently.
If the excuse is that Heyward is 21, that’s a concern. How are any rookies going to get a fair shake, if their is an institutional bias within the Braves’ organization against young players who struggle but perform equally or better than some veterans who also struggled?
That’s the scary part in all this. If Freeman’s offensive production drops to something around league-average next season, the Braves might assume that that is who he is going to be for the rest of the season and bench him for some career minor leaguer with “hot hands.”
August 24th, 20111:56 pm
DOB, I’ve only been to Chicago once. We were playing in Janesville Wisconson back in 94 and made a special trip on a Saturday down to Chicago to go guitar shopping (and still have the guitar I bought), and we had pizza from two little shops that day in downtown Chicago, both within walking distance of the place I bought my guitar, and to this day both places are at the top of my list for best pizza I’ve ever had.
Can’t remember the name of either of them for the life of me though. But neither appeared to be a chain, at least any sort of national chain. Might have been local chains, though.
Now I’m hungry for pizza. Thanks.
How many saves will Craig end up with this season?
Could he be called upon to save 2 of every 3 remaining games?
August 24th, 20111:57 pm
I would think most of them were the best hitters, fielders and pitchers on their HS team.
Agree with that. Goes to show how hard it must be to hit major league hitting. Very few can do it as a part-time gig.
I love the strategy of the NL games. But then again, I’d much rather watch a 2-1 game than an 8-7 one.
Is it? I can’t remember a blog quorum on the personal edition of the phrase. I like your version, though, if it comes to that.
August 24th, 20111:58 pm
The Phillies are 26 games over at home and 13 games over on the road. The Braves would have to win in the Bandbox in the NLCS after getting by the Brewers lofty home record. Not the easiest path to the Series. Just another reason to try and win the division.
At what point do you throttle back on chasing the Phillies to rest legs and arms?
August 24th, 20111:59 pm
Tennessee: Yes, and too late for this season to complain about the obviously unfair rule that the Wild Card cannot have home field advantage against a Division Champion… even if the WC has a better record – and plays in a tougher division. (How great would it be to be playing the ‘Stros, Cubs, Pirates and even Cardinals this year competing for a division?)
Let’s see what the line up could look like if we benched Prado:
Shaun..See anything interesting?? Look real hard! You may be able to figure it out!
The other place that had fantastic pizza was a place in Seattle we used to always go to when visiting family in the 80’s. Not sure it is still there (and again don’t remember the name of it), but it was somewhere in the lower level of the fisherman’s warf downtown and the main “chef” guy would sing and play the spoons while cooking out in the open for everybody to watch. Pretty cool.
Thought maybe that Soundgarden’s “Spoon-man” was about him since they are from Seattle, but upon further exploration of the lyrics, I realized that the dude they were singing about probably had very little to do with pizza.
Thanks for the Pujols piece by JoePoz. Awesome – dont know why I hadnt read it till now. I really cant believe that that guy would juice – he seems like the antithesis of A-Rod.
Marlins-Reds moving up their game to have double header before the storm hits. Might have to be an option that the Mets-Braves go with on Saturday. I’d give the ball to C-Mart….
August 24th, 20112:01 pm
Any word on Georgie/Heyward spot?
Bourn Chipper McCann Uggla Freeman Prado Heyward Gonzalez
Looks good to me.
When the Braves clinch or as we get closer to clinching. Kimbrel will be used just enough to stay sharp IMO.
However, I do believe he’ll end up around 50 saves this season.
JRW – that will just make the victory that much sweeter when the Braves go to the WS.
Efrim – like I said, the Saturday game is a 4:10 FOX game. Lots of money involved.
August 24th, 20112:02 pm
4-3 Mets. Pelfry doing his best to give game back to Phillies.
I certainly hope not. The bats ought to give us some clear games so that Sherrill, Linebrink and Arodys + September callups can do their part.
The A Bomb
August 24th, 20112:03 pm
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS:
The Mets expect that Hurricane Irene, which could threaten the eastern United States in the coming days, could disrupt or threaten their ability to play Sunday’s home game against the Braves.
If that game is canceled, it might not have to be made up, and not playing it would be simpler logistically if the weather also affects Monday’s Citi Field doubleheader against Florida.
DOB…I don’t know if this was posted before, but the King of the Philly Cheez Steak, Joey Vento Owner of Geno’s, pass last night of a massive harth attack.
The Blue Indian
Gentlemen, allow me to be the pail of water on these hot coals….
Before I begin, let me say that I will be pulling for our Bravos to snag that pennant just as hard as all of us. But if my calculations are correct (I hope they aren’t), then the division looks pretty much locked up:
As of today, Philly has a magic number of 28 to take the division.
If you need info on magic numbers, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(sports)
With Philly having 35 games left to play and the Braves having 32, here’s how things look:
If the Phillies continue to play as they have all season (.630 ball) then their record over these last games will be 22-13 .
For the Braves to win the division, they would have to go 27-5 in their last games (.844…crazy)
If the Phillies slouch a tad and go 19-16 (.543) , then the Braves need a 24-8 record (.750…still unreal), which means that they would need to win 3 of 4 from here on out. That is only if the Phillies slouched that bad.
On the bright side, the Braves have a magic number of 24 to clinch the Wild Card, meaning even if the Braves play .500 ball (16-16) in this last stretch, the Giants would have to go 26-7 (.788) in their last stretch to overcome us.
Bottom line: Our Braves are playoff bound for the 2nd year in a row. However, the division title looks all but won by the Phillies.
August 24th, 20112:04 pm
Bourn Chipper McCann Uggla Freeman Prado Heyward Gonzalez. Looks good to me.
If Fredo turned in that lineup card, I’d be checking him for alien possession, LOL.
No doubt in my military mind, the Phillies have this game in the bag.
August 24th, 20112:06 pm
Wily Mo Pena can certainly hit the long ball. After a long lay-off and some time in the minors he comes up and has hit 7 HRs in 69 ABs. OBP is only .229 though.
August 24th, 20112:08 pm
Teams very rarely cancel games because of losing gate receipts. That’s why so many Day/Night double headers these days so they get the $$$ from every game. My guess would be that they make it up on Sept. 8th an off day for both teams.
No doubt in my military mind, the Phillies have this game in the bag.
Don’t they always? You and JRW should probably sit down somewhere and compare your Phillies-awe. If the Phillies were a guy, I’d look at you two and say, “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
Eleven in '11
August 24th, 20112:09 pm
Well, I sure do hope that the Mets play at pathetically against us this weekend as they are against the Phillies.
JC from DR!
Oh fudge… Randy Wells today…
August 24th, 20112:10 pm
If the Phillies were a guy, I’d look at you two and say, “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
Dont care if the Phillies were a guy or girl – Mixxo’d be blind by now.
Pence flyball out with bases loaded. 4-3 NY Mets Mets Mets.
August 24th, 20112:11 pm
I agree that the division is all but locked up. Braves have to continue playing good ball and not worry about what the Phillies do. No sense in doing that.
However, if the Braves were to hand it to the Phillies in the remaining head-to-head games? Then there is still a fighting chance at that division. Braves need to go a minimum 5-1 against Philly in the remaining 6 games against them, and in reality probably need to sweep them.
Likely. Also probably a no.
But stranger things have happened. All I really care about is being healthy, and playing good ball heading into October. If we’re healthy and the lineup is clicking, I’ll take our chances against ANYBODY. Even if we have to go on the road to do it.
August 24th, 20112:12 pm
Or I guess the game could just be cancelled. I forgot the Mets have a double header on Monday, so they probably wouldn’t want to even play an extra game on Saturday. Looks like we’re going to play 161 in ‘11.
That was a great Pujols piece and I love Joe Poz’s writing. Interesting – I just read a Pujols biography that Joe Poz wrote the introduction for, and the book wasn’t as good or concise as that article by Joe.
August 24th, 20112:13 pm
Yup, good point.
D. Wright HR
August 24th, 20112:14 pm
David Wright Homer …5-3 Mets
I like good baseball teams chief. You got a f’n problem with that?
I suggest you get over it.
As Chip would say, we have a slugfest here in Philly today.
August 24th, 20112:16 pm
Choo sidelined by left trunk soreness- LOL
August 24th, 20112:18 pm
Mixxo, I’ve read your book, man; I know why you post the stuff you do. It doesn’t make me angry. On the contrary, it provides many opportunities for me to joke at your expense. How can I not love you for that?
Does it even matter anymore? Whoever is pitching we are going to lose. That’s whats been going on all season. :shrug:
N8- you do want to keep an eye on the division. You want to play Dbacks or Brewers? Thought so.
August 24th, 20112:19 pm
Mixxo, I’ve read your book, man; I know why you post the stuff you do.
Shaun, Since you can’t figure it out…Please posta lineup with Prado on the bench..Thanks
August 24th, 20112:20 pm
Shaun (August 24th, 2011 12:38 pm): “What cheapens the game is watching pitchers try to hit.”
Okay — so, this year you’d prefer to watch Bobby Abreu, Vladimir Guerrero or Adam Dunn “try to hit” rather than Tim Hudson, Dontrelle Willis, Carlos Zambrano or Dan Hudson?
How ’bout Alex Gonzalez, Ian Desmond, Alcides Escobar, Jason Bartlett, Ryan Theriot, Brendan Ryan, Cliff Pennington, Yuniesky Betancourt and Elvis Andrus — all prototypical “light-hitting” shortstops? Perhaps there should be TWO DHs in the line-up?
Or how about this:
Let’s have MLB go totally NFL, and have an offensive squad for batting and a defensive squad to play the field?
And THAT is the only logical extension of all your arguments for a DH, and it exposes the flaws in your reasoning.
Reductio ad absurdum — that’s YOU, dude, in a nutshell.
Braves went from 5.5 down to 1.5 down in 5 days back in May, but you guys are 100% certain we can’t close 6.5 in 6 weeks.
I’m not predicting that it’ll happen, but it’s silly to assume it can’t. IMHO of course.
shaun Prado should have been the regular secondbaseman if the Braves had determined Uggla wasn’t fit for that position
then who played LF? and 3B when chipper needed a day? and constanza wasnt on the 40-man. they coudlnt just bring him up any time. you start doing that, and it gets thin real quick. besides, prado missed a huge chunk of time and couldnt fill in for uggla.
its revisionist history to say the braves should have handled the uggla situation differently. there werent alot of options.
August 24th, 20112:21 pm
thread killer Bourn
Shaun..See anything interesting??
im not shaun, but i noticed you have the manager batting 6th.
August 24th, 20112:22 pm
August 24th, 20112:23 pm
Hi, Neight! Boy, our ERA sure has been good the last week or so, hasn’t it??
August 24th, 20112:24 pm
Hasn’t Shaun argued all summer that if Heyward deserved to be benched, that Prado should also have been benched? So he couldn’t have taken over 2B when Uggla was benched.
If we benched Heyward, we had to also bench not only Uggla, but also Prado.
August 24th, 20112:25 pm
MikeInFl, season is only 5 weeks from ending. I don’t think anyone is saying it cannot happen. We all know it can there are 32 games left and the scenarios are endless. I think most of us know that for it to happen it will take a pretty long losing streak from a team that does not seem to lose many in a row while we continue to play at a .600 clip or higher.
Tell ‘em, Mike. Buncha lay-down wusses. Oh, we’re so far behind, waaah. Oh, the Phillies are too good, waaah. Oh, we might as well just settle for second, waaah. Man, just bow the bleep UP.
The DH always seemed like something conceived in grammar school.
January 14, 1968, the Superbowl TV viewership jumped from 12.4million viewers to 20.6 million.The 1968 Worlds Series had 22.8 million viewers. Panic stricken, the owners voted to lower the mound and institute the DH to provide more offense. However, the effort by Charlie O. Finley to have “Harvey the mechanical rabbit” in every park, was roadkilled.
Keep “joking” then. We’ll see who has the last laugh chief.
Gino’s East or Giordano’s??
August 24th, 20112:26 pm
AtlYnkHtr, ’scoots was kind enough to craft my response for me at 2:25.
August 24th, 20112:27 pm
“Let’s see what the line up could look like if we benched Prado:
Shaun..See anything interesting?? Look real hard! You may be able to figure it out”
I see an injured Nate McLouth playing
Mixxo, come on, man. There’s hardly any scenario extant in a universe inhabited by humans in which I don’t get the last laugh at you, LOL.
August 24th, 20112:28 pm
It has McFann. You don’t think playing 4 games against the Giants and 3 against the D-Backs (who hit .235 on the road), has anything to do with that, do you?
August 24th, 20112:29 pm
No, I don’t!
August 24th, 20112:30 pm
Scratch McLouth and replace with Hinske..It still has the same result..
August 24th, 20112:32 pm
“N8- you do want to keep an eye on the division. You want to play Dbacks or Brewers? Thought so.” N-Nine
First of all, I didn’t say anything about not “keeping an eye” on the division. I stated that other than the head-to-head games, the Braves can’t control what the Phillies do.
All they can do is play good ball.
As for playing the Brewers or the D-Backs? What’s the difference? They’re both much better at home. Gonna have to win road games in either Philly, Milwaukee, SF or Arizona to make it to the WS last time I checked.
August 24th, 20112:36 pm
As for playing the Brewers or the D-Backs? What’s the difference?
If we place first, Dbacks come to ATL. If we finish second, we go to Miller Park. That right there is enough to keep fighting. Phillies might just cool off enough, who knows?
August 24th, 20112:38 pm
Or I guess the game could just be cancelled. I forgot the Mets have a double header on Monday, so they probably wouldn’t want to even play an extra game on Saturday. Looks like we’re going to play 161 in ‘11. -Efrim
The Mets and Braves share an off day on Thursday, September 8th. The Mets will be coming home from Florida, then. The Braves will be finishing up a series in Philadelphia on the 7th. It would make sense to play the make-up game on the 8th in New York before heading to St. Louis for the weekend. It’s an option, anyway.
August 24th, 20112:40 pm
N8 Gonna have to win road games in either Philly, Milwaukee, SF or Arizona to make it to the WS last time I checked.
not if we win the division. just saying.
August 24th, 20112:41 pm
American League games are boring for me. I like guessing leave the pitcher in or hit for him, walk the number eight or not.
August 24th, 20112:43 pm
Have you folks noticed the dirth of PHILLIES trolls here lately? Amazing what matching the winning streaks of their fav club does to the big-shot big-mouths.
If you break things down, catching the Phillies doesn’t seem as daunting
We both play 11 games before the next matchup (try to pick up 2 games)
We play three at Philly (win 2 of 3, pick up another game)
Then, we play 15 games and they play 18 before the final matchup (try to pick up 2 1/2 games)
Do that and we go into the final weekend 1 game down with 3 to play
I’d take that anyday of the week!
August 24th, 20112:47 pm
“But even Conrad is a better player than Constanza, if we are going by my obscure stats and ignoring what actually happens on the field.”
August 24th, 20112:48 pm
Are there any versions of Braves Blogs where every other entry is not:
“I’m smarter than you, son of an electric donkey-bottom wiper, and you are just plain stoopid if you think TheDHisGoodHeywardShouldStartBravesRelieversAreBeingUsedProperly.”
“No – I’M not only smarter than YOU, but YOU create a partial vacuum with your oral cavity!”
August 24th, 20112:51 pm
Well, I certainly don’t have a definitive answer for you, but, could I steal that “oral cavity” insult?
Since pizza is one of the big topics of the day the best in the country is in New Haven Ct. There is Sally’s and Peppe’s if anyone is in the area and you love pizza don’t miss it.
When Uggla was struggling we also didn’t have Michael bourne in cf and Prado was never playing as bad as Schaefer or Mcclouth. That being said I like Heyward and I hope he hits like yesterday the rest of the way. I was more encouraged that 2 of the hits were opposite way or up the middle than I was by the homerun.
DAP, I’m not saying they should have handled the Uggla situation differently. That wasn’t my point. My point is that the Uggla situation was handled quite well. They should do that with all of their most skilled players.
MikeInFl, that just further proves the absurdity of benching talented players because you are assuming disappointing past performance means they are destined to perform the same way going forward. It’s even more absurd when you consider Uggla was much worse than Heyward and Prado at one point but was and should have been in there because it was irrational to assume that his struggles would continue beyond yesterday. The Braves apparently understood this with Uggla but they don’t with Heyward, even though Uggla performed much worse.
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