4:46 pm August 23, 2011, by David O'Brien
Brian from SC
August 24th, 201111:13 am
I hope Pujols didn’t use HGH, and even if he did, I hope we never find out. That would put the final black eye on the last 10 years of baseball. There would be no one left to be a hero, to save us from villains like Bonds and A-Rod at the top of the record books.
August 24th, 201111:15 am
Here you go Wayne, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153053/1/index.htm
Read it and marvel.
If Pujols used, he must have started at 20 years old and never stopped, because his remarkable consistency sure doesn’t suggest that at some point he decided to “take it up a notch,” like Bonds did. Or that he needed help recovering from some chronic injury.
In other words, I don’t think he did.
August 24th, 201111:16 am
August 24th, 2011
Take it easy?
This is the same kind of mindset that earned us the “Buffalo Bills of baseball” moniker. Dunno about some of y’all, but I’m ready to take it to the next level. You think the Phillies are going to ease up?
They may not have a choice if the regulars aren’t playin
August 24th, 201111:17 am
SO HERE’S that amazing Albert Pujols baseball hero story. Every year in St. Louis, there is a Buddy Walk to raise money and awareness for the National Down Syndrome Society. Pujols is the chairman of the St. Louis Buddy Walk, and every so often, as he fulfills his duties, a child with Down syndrome will ask him to hit a home run. Actually, kids ask him just about every year.
In 2002, 10-year-old Kathleen Mertz threw out the first pitch to Pujols on Buddy Walk Day. As he walked over to give her the signed ball, she said, “Hey, Albert, hit me a home run.”
In the first inning he blasted a long homer off Houston’s Kirk Saarloos.
In 2003 Niki Cunningham threw out the first pitch on Buddy Walk Day. Of course, she also asked Albert to hit her a home run. In the 13th inning Pujols crushed a walk-off dinger against Florida’s Dan Miceli.
In 2006 Pujols found himself swamped with home run requests as he strolled with the crowd during the Buddy Walk. One after another, kids shouted at him, “Hey, Albert, hit a home run for me.” “You’re my hero.” “You’ve got to hit a homer for me, El Hombre.” That night, he faced Pittsburgh’s Ian Snell, and Pujols did not waste any time. He hit a home run in the first inning. Then, in the third inning, he faced Snell again, and he hit another. In the fifth inning, he faced Snell one more time. And he homered again—Pujols drilled this one about 450 feet.
“I thought it was going to hit the St. Louis Arch out there,” Snell said to reporters after the game. “I wanted to go high-five him. That’s unreal. That’s like Superman playing baseball.”
August 24th, 201111:18 am
“If the regulars aren’t playing.”
Yeah, been there and done that last year – no fun.
August 24th, 201111:19 am
Guys, I have no evidence to convict AP. But to be honest, he came up when juicing was at it’s apex.
Heck, we don’t know that Hoss or Smoltz or some of our beloved ones didn’t juice in some way.
I really don’t know that you can preclude anyone to be honest.
Maybe it’s best that we don’t find out……….
Later Braves fans….
August 24th, 201111:21 am
August 24th, 201111:23 am
Mixxo, they already are taking their foot off the gas by DLing Rollins and Hamels. The Hamels DL only costs him 3 days since they can retro it and had skipped him already. I also read that Rollins’ injury wasn’t that bad and might have been fine after a few days of rest. Oh and just last night they gave Ibanez, Howard and Ruiz the day off along with a half day for Utley. Doesn’t mean let Linebrink close or give away games, it just means systematically start limiting bullpen pitchers and giving days off here and there.
August 24th, 201111:25 am
Good morning y’ll
Good win to get last night, we are keeping it going. JASON finally had bat meet ball on the sweet spot. Good for him, he DID WIN the game for us last night. However he could have lost the game with his poor fielding in 9th inn. KIMBREL saved the win.
August 24th, 201111:30 am
Good morning everyone.
August 24th, 201111:33 am
I saw Jason’s slam, but missed the other hit he had. Heard Glavine say it was his hardest hit of the year. Anybody know where I can watch it online? post a link?
did you notice that the way he overran that ball in the 9th was like a replay of the one Uggla missed that alos rolled past him?
….Doesn’t mean let Linebrink close or give away games, it just means systematically start limiting bullpen pitchers and giving days off here and there. — AtlYnkHtr
“That” I don’t have a problem with.
August 24th, 201111:34 am
August 24th, 201111:36 am
Hi Chris, lovely video you posted last night. Hope you’re doing better.
August 24th, 201111:37 am
Good morning Mixxo
August 24th, 201111:38 am
“I really don’t know that you can preclude anyone to be honest.”
You can preclude Greg Maddux. If that guy was juicing he needs to ask for his money back. He looks like a science teacher
August 24th, 201111:40 am
To me that wasn’t an error by Heyward. It bounced like a football to the left. If an infielder gets a crazy bounce like that it is almost always ruled a hit
August 24th, 201111:42 am
I hope JASON’s rare success does not tempt FREDI to start playing him on a regular basis, when BIFF is ready to play he should. I like thouse two speedy guys in lineup, ot gives a new and better demention to the team.
August 24th, 201111:45 am
I hope JASON’s rare success does not tempt FREDI to start playing him on a regular basis, when BIFF is ready to play he should
Yeah, my mind is made up. He didn’t go 4 for 4 last night. He hits the bench tonight. Even if Biff isn’t ready. It was a simple mandate, and Jason didn’t follow. Hit the bricks, kid.
August 24th, 201111:46 am
Sorry typos in last post, I am trying to correct that.
August 24th, 201111:48 am
I love hearing Glavine break down the pitching. Sure doesn’t have a voice for radio though. It always seems to me like he’s Chip doing his Glavine impression!!
August 24th, 201111:49 am
Looking at Heyward’s numbers at Wrigley that DOB provided, it seems he picks up the ball very well there. Maybe they should grow ivy on the walls at Turner Field so Heyward can have those numbers almost all year.
August 24th, 201111:50 am
Chipper Jones is 20-for-46 (.455) w/ 3 doubles, 3 HR, 9 RBIs in his past 13 games, inc. 12 starts. Played 13 of last 16 Braves games in that stretch.
August 24th, 201111:51 am
I think you rotate with Constanza, Bourn, Prado, Heyward and Chipper. It will allow everyone to get playing time and stay fresh/sharp
August 24th, 201111:52 am
Thanks and yeah, doing better as each day passes.
Hit the bricks, kid.
No, no, no. Eleven said that, if Heyward can follow that up with another multi-hit game and a dinger, he can have another start. Don’t rush to judgment, Efrim.
August 24th, 201111:53 am
It will allow everyone to get playing time and stay fresh/sharp
…and practically guarantee that you never put your best 8 on the field at the same time.
August 24th, 201111:54 am
This morning it’s looking more and more likely that the Braves and the hurricane will be in NY at the same time. Is there a DH in our future?
DOB – you weathering out the NY series? Should be a first for you – hunkering down in NY for a hurricane party.
August 24th, 201111:55 am
My only problem Wwith CHIP is at times he gets way to loud, missjudges routine fly balls thinking they are going out of park. The man does know his baseball.
August 24th, 201111:58 am
Re DOB@11:50 – Chipper haters can STFU now. He’s worth every $$$. He may even get Heyward straightened out.
ncscoots, I’m not saying rotate every day but I know that Chipper is going to need at least 1 day off a week. Plus the rest will need days off here and there. I would start Constanza vs lefties, Heyward vs righties and both when someone needs a day off. I give FG some credit. I think he has played it pretty well
August 24th, 201111:59 am
timthebrave, the Heyward play should be an error from the standpoint of the way he played it. He played it very aggressively and then changed his mind and overran the ball. He also took his eye off it once it landed. It was a bad hop but he played it poorly as well.
This is hilarious: “If Heyward is going right, he’s a major force. Not gonna make judgments after 1 great night.”
…But it’s okay to make judgements after 87 plate appearances and 23 games (and to ignore 7 professional seasons).
Guess what? You shouldn’t make judgements after 1 great night nor should you after 23 great games. How about making judgements based on underlying skills and performances throughout pro careers?
August 24th, 201112:00 pm
Fine, scoots. He plays tonight. 2 for 4, or buried on the bench. This isn’t silly season.
August 24th, 201112:01 pm
I’m not saying rotate every day
Gotcha. I misunderstood the point, my bad.
CO-SIGN on DOB’s 11:50 and raleighbravefan’s 11:58.
August 24th, 201112:02 pm
Keeps getting harder to hate on these Braves. Of course, there are a few who will complain until we have an all-star at every position, payroll of $200M+, 5 Aces pitching, and win120+ games. Even then, they would complain when we lose, and blame it on Fredi. They would also complain about Wren and the owners.
Efrim, glad to see you’re open to the possibility, LOL.
August 24th, 201112:04 pm
Minors regular season ends across the board a week from this Monday on Labor Day. Freakin crazy that it’s already September. Time flies. Positives? Andrelton Simmons, Ed Salcedo(although it’s been a bad 5 weeks), Tyler Pastornicky, Teheran/Delgado/Vizcaino. Disappointments? Matt Lipka, Carlos Perez, Joe Leonard. That’s just off the top of my head.
August 24th, 201112:08 pm
He’s a 3rd Baseman. Not God.
Anonymous (used as a mass noun)
August 24th, 201112:14 pm
There have been complaints on Braves message boards and the like that Jason Heyward needs to be benched regularly or even sent to the minors.
Fredi Gonzalez started Jose Constanza on Tuesday and Wednesday in place of Heyward. Perhaps there was a good reason to rest Heyward and let him have essentially three days off. There is no doubt he’s under-performed expectations so far this in 2011.
It seems apparent that he’s battled injury for most of the season. Although I’m also of course very open to the possibility that cluelessness is the explanation for Constanza starting two consecutive games.
It seems the argument is that because Heyward is in his sophomore season, he may have never had skills to begin with, and last year was actually the fluke season.
I’m not sure there is a name for this fallacy, the idea that if a young player played well at one point and is not playing so well recently, he’s automatically a bust. But if a veteran player struggles, he’s just having a flukey, down year or “he’ll get it going soon.”
Some message-board fanatics have suggested Heyward equals Brad Komminsk or Heyward equals Jeff Francouer (and Freddie Freeman equals McCann). Hopefully the Braves organization does not buy into this to any degree whatsoever.
Komminsk had two minor-league seasons of 100-plus strikeouts and 74 walks. Not that that meant he was destined to be a 4-A player. But certainly, those were red flag seasons that Heyward never really had.
Francoeur never walked a lot in the minors (I know, shocking) and always struck out at least twice as often as he walked. Again, not necessarily a guarantee of anything, but certainly an indication that there were major concerns with Francoeur’s game.
Komminsk and Francoeur were raw, toolsy guys that might have developed into good players. Francoeur has actually developed into an okay platoon outfielder. Sometimes those types of players develop and develop into stars.
However, Heyward showed both tools and skills from the day he first stepped onto a professional baseball field.
It’s possible that he’ll fade away and forever be viewed as a bust and a one-year wonder.
It’s possible that players like Jose Constanza will outplay Jason Heyward the rest of the season.
But would you want to roll those dice?
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August 24th, 201112:15 pm
Outta here for a while, will be back before gamestart. Have a good afternoon y’ll.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
August 24th, 201112:16 pm
Is there any rain scheduled for Philly? Would be awesome if tonight’s game got totally washed out and the Mets pushed Pelfrey forward to PITCH AGAINST THE BRAVES THIS WEEKEND!!!
August 24th, 201112:17 pm
Ludwick to Pirates DL. Yet another deadline deal that’s not worked out as planned.
August 24th, 201112:18 pm
what makes anyone think he’d be as good as he is now? Could be that the screwed up mechanics are what makes him nasty….BH
I have said the same thing. that’s why they don’t change these guy
August 24th, 201112:20 pm
Thought that sounded like Shaun.
August 24th, 201112:22 pm
I picked the Braves to win the WC at the beginning of the year, Philly to win the east, and the Brewers to win the central after that 1st series we had with them. I totally missed it on the Rockies though to win the west. Hey, nobody’s perfect. If the Giants can get any kind of run production they win the west, their pitching is excellent. So if things pan out this way, who do we play?
August 24th, 201112:25 pm
We’ll be on a 17 game winning streak the next time Philly gets a look at our healthy club……
McFann, that might just be what Mac needs – to jack some hits against Pelfrey
August 24th, 201112:26 pm
Morning blog. I’m bored. Entertain me
August 24th, 201112:28 pm
“The DH has extended the careers of many over there in the AL, and if it hadn’t been for the DH spot, some HOF’S wouldn’t have gotten to 3,000 hits, Sorry rich, that is a VERY dumb statement.”
No, the above is a very dumb statement. The “some HOF’S wouldn’t have gotten to 3,000 hits” part, simply shows that this poster doesn’t even think it through. They got to 3000 hits BECAUSE of the DH position. At the end, they became hitters and not baseball players. It cheapens the game when used in a game. It cheapens a hitters final numbers by artificially extending their career.
There is nothing good about the DH rule.
August 24th, 201112:30 pm
Shaun is going at it with DOB on twitter. Really never stops. It’s absolutely become like a Robert/Cox obsession.
August 24th, 201112:32 pm
Yes, it is. But the Mets are NOT cooperating!!
How is it that we’ve only faced him ONCE this year, and Fredi had the audacity to play ROSS that game???
The Blue Indian
August 24th, 201112:34 pm
For those who are curious, here’s the breakdown of the schedule comparison between us and the Phillies the rest of the way:
Mets – tonight
Marlins- 3 games (**Philly is 9-3 in 12 games against them this year)
Reds- 4 games (**Philly is 3-1 in 4 games against them this year)
Marlins- 3 games
Braves- 3 games (**Philly is 6-6 in 12 games against us this year)
Brewers- 4 games (**Philly is 1-2 in 3 games against them this year)
Astros- 3 games (**Philly is 3-0 in 3 games against them this year)
Cards- 4 games (**Philly is 2-3 in 5 games against them this year)
Nationals- 4 games (**Philly is 8-6 in 14 games against them this year)
Mets- 3 games (**Philly is 10-4 in 14 games against them this year)
Braves- 3 games
Chicago- tonight & tomorrow night (**We’re 3-2 in 5 games against them this year w/ 2 left)
Mets- 3 games (**We’re 6-6 in 12 games against them this year w/ 3 left)
Nationals- 3 games (**We’re 6-6 in 12 games against them this year w/ 3 left)
Dodgers- 3 games (**We’re 1-3 in 4 games against them this year w/ 3 left)
Phillies- 3 games (**We’re 6-6 in 12 games against them this year w/ 6 left)
Cards- 3 games (**We’re 1-2 in 3 games against them this year w/ 3 left)
Marlins- 3 games (**We’re 9-3 in 12 games against them this year w/ 6 left)
Mets- 3 games
Marlins- 3 games
Nationals- 3 games
Phillies- 3 games
Now, obviously with Philly having the best record in baseball, we all knew they’d have more wins against the teams they’ll be playing from here out. But, here’s where we possibly have the edge: Philly has to play two 4 game series against the only 2 teams they have a losing record against this season. That’s pretty big, especially when you consider that the Brewers are very likely a playoff team with the Cards have a very competent team this year. Also, it should be noted that we have 4 off days left this season with the Phillies having only 2 more off days, plus a double-header, and two 4 game series!!
Y’all can thank me later on this well-informed/researched email.
Again…. I like our chances.
Let’s set our sights on this division title. Worst thing that can happen is we slam dunk the wild card.
August 24th, 201112:36 pm
Anonymous , the logical fallacy in that quote is posited in paragraph 4. The fallacy? Strawman.
“It seems the argument is that because Heyward is in his sophomore season, he may have never had skills to begin with, and last year was actually the fluke season.”
The rest was the rebuttal to the strawman. Not really worth the time to read.
New to Twitter but I got that too…..just not sure who’s Shaun….PayneBall or thenotoriousc! lol
August 24th, 201112:37 pm
He’s PayneBall- you can click on the name and get his profile. The other name is a fake account (I had to look too )
August 24th, 201112:38 pm
Jimmy, you don’t think non-DH’s stick around longer than they would ordinarily in order to just get to that magical 3,000-hit milestone? Not judging players on milestones is what to take from that.
What cheapens the game is watching pitchers try to hit or watching a particular player in every lineup come up to the plate to purposely make an out every time a runner is on 1st and/or 2nd base with less than 2 outs.
It’s Shaun Payne.
August 24th, 201112:39 pm
TennPaul, notice who was the author of the article. Not I. Point of post was to show that not only are we here afflicted, so is the rest of blogdom. He is a disease that is spreading.
August 24th, 201112:40 pm
Shaun – What player are you aware of that purposely makes an out in those situations? Do you ever stop with the crap you spout?
He’ll probably get a September call up, no matter how badly he stinks up AAA….Frankie Wren
Sept callups now cost 70,000 per player. I’m not sure they are gonna pay that unless he shows something
HAHA! Thanks Cab, done!
August 24th, 201112:41 pm
Damn. I guess those 100+ years of baseball prior to the advent of the DH were just terrible…
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August 24th, 201112:43 pm
Ludwick has hit 1 HR since the trade. And it was earlier this week.
But I think it was the Pirates pitching that collapsed – as somewhat expected – rather then offensive struggles.
We’ve already gone over this, but of course, Wren is backing Fredi on his decision to play Jose Constanza over Heyward. Clearly, not just a Fredi thing.
August 24th, 201112:44 pm
I have to admit it was a little fun watching the Pirates win ball games again!
With that being said I have no problem beating them on a bogus call and sending them into a downward spiral
cab – We’ve already determined that baseball never existed prior to Shaun’s dream that caused it to come into being sometime about fifteen years a or so ago along with all of those stats that we Neanderthals refuse to see as the truisms of life.
August 24th, 201112:45 pm
Cab, if you’re bored and want to be entertained, might I suggest backing up a few steps (from your 12:41) and chosing another path this morning. That one travels straight through “Boredom Hollow.” I know you know this already, but just thought I’d remind you, anyway.
August 24th, 201112:46 pm
cabravesfan, wasn’t terrible. Was less interesting. There is some gray area between entertaining and terrible, ya know. And “entertaining” is relative. NL-rules baseball is extremely entertaining. AL-rules baseball is just more entertaining.
Yeah, it was just hard to ignore a comment like that…
August 24th, 201112:47 pm
Shaun – Yes, non-DH do stick around to extend numbers, but they have to play the field. They have to able to more for their team than just hit. All a DH has to contirbute is the hitting.
And there is more than just the pitcher batting the guy over. Decisions have to be made whether to pinch hit, have the pitcher bunt or try to steal to get into scoring position. DH baseball is like Sunday Chruch League softball. Fill out the lineup card and go for it.
It would be the same if the NBA let Kobe run off the court (and a sub come in) when the other team has the ball. In transition, he could run back onto the court and play offense. Stupid, isn’t it.
How about a Designated Runner that stands in a box behind homeplate. He can’t run until the ball is hit. That would keep DHers playing even longer.
Silly, silly AL.
shaun What cheapens the game is watching pitchers try to hit or watching a particular player in every lineup come up to the plate to purposely make an out every time a runner is on 1st and/or 2nd base with less than 2 outs.
uh…no thats called baseball. some folks prefer every one on the field to be real baseball players. AL pitchers and DH’s are not real baseball players. yes i said it. DH rule sucks, and, yes, cheapens the game.
Anonymous, yeah, I saw that.
In your opinion. You should try using those words occasionally. Your opinion is that AL baseball is more entertaining. There are people that would disagree. Like me.
August 24th, 201112:48 pm
Efrim, that makes it all better. Everyone knows the more people believe something, the more correct it becomes.
cabravesfan, pretty obvious that it’s my opinion, if I’m typing it.
Yo Yo Yo!!!
August 24th, 201112:49 pm
DOB, do you believe there is any chance Fredi swaps Chipper and Prado in the batting order?
I mean, duh cab.
Hopefully the wind will be blowing out to left center again tonight!
August 24th, 201112:50 pm
I will keep that in mind the next time you insist that Player A is better than Player B because the “stats” say so.
shaun NL-rules baseball is extremely entertaining. AL-rules baseball is just more entertaining.
in your opinion. in my opinion, AL baseball sucks. seriously, its not very fun to watch, compared to NL games.
August 24th, 201112:51 pm
Thank you DAP, cab!!
It’s too early for this. Why did I have to go and comment? I’m And Idiot.
I didn’t know anyone that stands behind a National League team could possibly be a fan of the DH. Our league adds more to the game via strategy than an aged DH adds in power and excitement.
August 24th, 201112:54 pm
cab, finally something we can agree on!
That I’m and Idiot? Gee, thanks!
August 24th, 201112:55 pm
Is it possible that we like both ways for what they offer?
Mike in VA
The DH takes almost all of the strategy out of the game.
I much prefer NL games as well. Strategy, decisions to be made, getting to see Huddy hit. Priceless.
Offense is fun but AL games seem to last too long. It always feels like those Yankees/Red Sox games on Fox are always 5 hours long.
August 24th, 201112:56 pm
Don’t you think that not having the DH puts the NL at a slight disadvantage as far as playoffs and possibly interleague goes? I’m a purist, but I’d love to see both teams play by the same rules.
If a NL team sets itself up as a DH type team, it would probably have a different roster than a non-DH team. And it would be able to rest players in the field, while not taking their bats out of the lineup. I would think that would be huge for a catcher, or an older player like Chipper.
your thoughts on Kimbrel for CY?
Is there a more dominant pitcher in baseball
that can affect SO many games??
NO! You must CHOOSE A SIDE!!!
Email on it’s way……..
August 24th, 201112:57 pm
cab,you put it on a tee and I can knock it off. LOL
Shaun – If you want to run a ML team, you’d better go get ultra rich. No way you’ll ever convince people who are actually running the sport that you even know your behind from the proverbial hole in the ground, much less convince them your way is right and their’s is not.
Now, I’m getting confused and don’t believe it’s PL. These just seem like one offs from someone trying to fake a fake PL name.
DS1 – Got it – y’all are on your own.
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