Braves quotes after Monday’s win against Cubs

***FREDI GONZALEZ

“J.J. pitched good – 6-1/3 innings, gave us a great opportunity to win the ballgame. Then Vizcaino comes in and gets those two nice outs [in the seventh], O’Flaherty [in the eighth] …”

“We escaped a lot of jams today. They got on base a lot and we were able to make the pitches we had to.”

On Venters in 9th

“That’s not the way you draw it up, but Jonny’s got that composure that he can get out of that jam.”

“It was nice to give Kimbrel a day, an opportunity to rest him a little after yesterday’s outing. I think he cranked up almost 30 pitches yesterday [25]. Coming into today we talked about giving him a day, and it worked out.

“You think about the matchups, two out of the [first] three hitters in the ninth facing Jonny were left-handers, and he walks the first two. That’s the grand game of ours sometimes.”

On Uggla’s fifth 30-homer season, two more than any other 2B

“Never been done. First time in history, right? As a second baseman? That’s a tremendous feat to do that. Good for him. That’s what he came here to do, and he’s done it…. Tremendous.”

On Jurrjens’ second start back from DL

“As we go forward with him, the more starts he gets the better he’s going to be. He gave us a little scare on the comebacker, slipped and came out limping a little bit. But he was fine.”

On Constanza’s injury

“Just a little sprained ankle. Slight, maybe a day or two and he should be ready to go.”

Scare you when he did it?

“I didn’t see it from the dugout. I see Bubba [trainer Jeff Porter] run out and some of the players say, ‘Oh, [shoot].’ And he’s hobbling and I’m thinking knee. But he has a history of that, with that ankle. Hopefully it’s nothing major, give him a couple of days and get him back in there. Because he makes some stuff happen.”

“Well, it’ll give Jason a chance to play.”

***JONNY VENTERS

On making things interesting in night

“It was not intentional.” (smiles)

Got the three straight outs after two walks to start ninth

“I felt good the whole time. They came up with an approach to see some pitches, and I couldn’t get one over to the first two guys. I felt good the whole time, though, just wasn’t making any pitches to start the inning off.”

“We kind of pitches out of jams all night, buckled down when we had to and came out with a big win.”

***DAN UGGLA

On starting season so slow, but getting to 30 homers so fast

“Yeah, it’s the fastest I’ve ever gotten to 30. But I’ve been saying all year long, that’s why you play the full season. That’s why you keep working, stay positive, because you never know what can happen. I’ve been hot before, and good things happen when you’re feeling good and hitting the ball hard.”

On getting his fifth 30-homer seasons, when no other 2B has has more than three such seasons

“I know. It’s kind of crazy. Who’d have thought, right? I guess that’s where I’ve got to hit them against this team. If I keep hitting them in the park, Barney’s going to catch it and get me out somewhere. So I think I’ll try to hit it where they can’t catch ‘em.”

On Freddie Freeman’s 18th homer

“Freddie’s a stud, man. The ceiling on this kid, if you look at him playing as long as 15 or 20 years. I mean, the numbers that this guy is going to put up – power, hits, RBIs, runs scored, average, any way you want to look at it, he’s going to do some special things. You watch this kid every day, and not even mentioning his defense, he’s going to be one of the best, if he stays healthy, I think to ever play the game.”

On where that homer ranks among the four he’s hit in 17 games at Wrigley

“I hit one a few years ago that was a pretty good one. It was like this one, but it was a fastball that I got every bit of. I don’t know where they hit on the streety or whatever, which was farther, but they felt a lot alike.”

***JAIR JURRJENS

On making big pitches to get out repeated jams

“Like to make it interesting. Just makes it fun. Gotta make it fun somehow.” (smiling)

On how he felt compared to first start off DL last week

“Good. Better command. Big improvement on the changeup. That’s what I was talking to Eddie [Perez] about, if I have my changeup it makes the game a little easier for me. That’s my go-to pitch that I got out of most of my jams with, just hitting my spots. It’s improvement from the last one.”

On getting into trouble with two outs

“I think trying to be too perfect, and I was rushing. Falling behind. Most of my walks came with two outs, I think. Not a lot of games where you’re going to get away with walking guys with two outs. Today I had luck on my side. I made pitches when I needed to make pitches.”

On jamming right knee, same one he had ’scoped in October and strained last month

“It just happened when I tried to pop up [after fielding grounder], my cleats got stuck in the grass. I felt a pinch, but it’s fine.”

On getting through first inning after loading bases with one out

“After the first inning, just getting out of that inning with the double play built my confidence. My confidence was down. Going deep, going to the seventh inning, I’m going to go from this outing and just try to get better.”

On not having to face Uggla anymore

“I told him in spring training I was glad I didn’t have to anymore. What he’s been doing [annually], hitting 30 bombs, is just amazing. I’m glad I have him playing behind me and hitting for me. He was really a good trade for us and a good sign. He came in and we, like, mingle with the guy right away. We’re really happy to have him here.”

165 comments Add your comment

Brandon

August 23rd, 2011
12:11 am

Kimbrel rocks

August 23rd, 2011
12:17 am

uggla is the man… and btw…chipper’s swing is looking pretty good

GEORGY GET BETTER!!

Spartygw

August 23rd, 2011
12:20 am

Hated to see Georgie get hurt busting his ass down the line. I hope they’re right and it’s just a couple days.

I_R_Human

August 23rd, 2011
12:24 am

“Well, it’ll give Jason a chance to play.”

Is this suppose to be a good thing? Because I’m not to sure it wouldn’t be better to put Hinske out there instead……

Kimbrel rocks

August 23rd, 2011
12:26 am

Hinske def needs to get some at-bats in this series

I_R_Human

August 23rd, 2011
12:26 am

I still seriously don’t get why people think it something big to be “first” to comment and then add nothing else…….no opinion…..no true comment…….just FIRST like they get a prize or something…..come on people….

gottagetGeorgieback

August 23rd, 2011
12:27 am

Heyward seems to take a step forward, and one backward. Georgie, get well soooooon !!!
Frank Wren, great job finding and signing him, with the assist to Tosca, but don’t let him get away! His approach is great, his hustle is contagious and he’s just fun to watch. Haven’t yet seen him ‘jog’ to first on a grounder, even if it’s right to the defensive player. Always hustles.

JMF

August 23rd, 2011
12:28 am

I am trying to get an answer. If the Braves play the Brewers in the 1st round and have a better record, do they (Braves) receive home field advantage.

Kimbrel rocks

August 23rd, 2011
12:31 am

no wildcard goes on road first

Kimbrel rocks

August 23rd, 2011
12:33 am

braves will play in Milwaukee for two games…we really need to root for winning team in the west to end up with better record than the brewers.

mathman

August 23rd, 2011
12:33 am

No, the wildcard team never gets home field advantage

I_R_Human

August 23rd, 2011
12:36 am

Wildcard team would never get the reward of having a home field advantage because thats the reward for winning your division.

Let’s not give up on the division and get that home field advantage for the Braves…..

Still time to catch Philly…….6 games left with them……long shot, but still a chance!

Kimbrel rocks

August 23rd, 2011
12:38 am

if we can get under 5 games from philly by the end of this week….we actually can give them a run ….at least make them work for it!!!!! ha

mathman

August 23rd, 2011
12:40 am

Folks, we aren’t going to catch the Phillies.

AZBravoFan

August 23rd, 2011
12:43 am

love to see Jason do a little reverse Wally Pipp on Georgy, make it tough for Fredi to decide who to put out there, maybe this little opportunity will spur his confidence…

marshall

August 23rd, 2011
12:43 am

I_R_Human

When I do the “first” thing, I simply do it to annoy people who get annoyed by it

J-Man

August 23rd, 2011
12:45 am

@ JMF……No

joliet jim

August 23rd, 2011
12:47 am

Iwas there sooo good to see the boys destroy the cubs in their dump of a park.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
12:49 am

Catching the Phillies will be a product of this team continuing to play great baseball. The pitching is starting come around and the hitting is still producing. With an 8.5 game lead in the Wild Card we can relax and just play solid baseball. If that is enough to catch the Phillies, great. If not, don’t expend a bunch of energy chasing them down when it could adversely effect our ability in the playoffs. I think most of us remember the 1993 NLCS after running down the Giants…

I_R_Human

August 23rd, 2011
12:50 am

So far the Wild Card chase in both leagues is becoming a joke………it would take a complete collapse in both leagues to make the Wild Card truly interesting

mathman

August 23rd, 2011
12:50 am

JHey looked bad in his only AB tonight. He didn’t look all that interested in the field either. Maybe, he will snap out of it, the next 2 days. He is now striking out, while before he was rolling the ball to second.

I_R_Human

August 23rd, 2011
12:53 am

Send J-Hey up there batting right handed……..he couldn’t suck any worse could he?

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Marseilles Mutt

August 23rd, 2011
1:02 am

Mathman@12:40

Not so fast my friend.

Ask any good OLD Philly fan and they will tell you how the Phils blew the pennant with a seemingly insurmountable lead – a half dozen games or so- and lost out with ten or twelve games left!

I honestly don’t remember what the numbers were, but stranger things have happened with a lot fewer games left than we currently have on the docket

john

August 23rd, 2011
1:05 am

Mathman just do the math we are back 6.5 games from philly we have 6done more games against them and we gained 2 games last week just one more anweek like that and 2 good series against the phils and we got a very good chance finishing on top

ohhhhYEAH

August 23rd, 2011
1:09 am

the only way a wild card gets home field advantage in the playoffs is if both wild card teams meet in the world series, and then, as per bud selig, the all star game winner gets home field advantage

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
1:12 am

Ask any NEW Phillies fan and they will you how invincible the Phils are and that could never happen with Doc, Lee, Hamels and Oswalt. They will tell you that Pence is the best thing since sliced bread and how he’s suddenly a .380 hitter because he’s wearing a Phillie jersey. They’ll tell you how Mayberry is a stud prospect even though he’s 27 and hasn’t done jack until the last couple weeks.

I really can’t wait to shut those clowns up.

I_R_Human

August 23rd, 2011
1:12 am

Am I the only one who finds it funny telling Mathman to do the Math?

Dan Uggla eats his spinach

August 23rd, 2011
1:13 am

I think Atlanta WILL catch the Phils. This team is hitting its stride at the right time. If Hanson can get better they have a good shot – barring any serious key injuries. I’m still thinking they can pull a 100 win season. Yeah, yeah… Long shot. I’know. Braves take the East with the Phils in the wild card. The Brewers are going to take the Central and the Giants get it going and take the west. Oh, and tomorrow’s Megamillions numbers are…

ohhhhYEAH

August 23rd, 2011
1:15 am

@Rows at 12:49
i dont remember….i was only 5 :)

at 1:12
they could probably say the same thing about constanza, though, as you are about mayberry. and we all know how much we love little C

Braves in 11

August 23rd, 2011
1:18 am

Home field advantage is overrated in my opinion in a 5 game series. If you don’t win the first two games of the series then the away team goes into the 3rd and 4th games with the advantage.

Milwaukee is good at home but they’re mediocre on the road. If we split at worst in Milwaukee I see the Braves winning that series in 4 in Atlanta.

I_R_Human

August 23rd, 2011
1:24 am

Oswalt 1-0 against the Braves this year

Cliff Lee 0-3

Hamels 1-1

Halladay 0-1

Mister Frisky

August 23rd, 2011
1:26 am

Three runs the last four days the arms have been great,The guys are locked in,confident,and playin hard.If were healthy home field or not the pennant goes through the ATL.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
1:32 am

@ohhhhYEAH – I specifically used Mayberry because of Constanza. Some Phillies troll was in the Braves glog on CBS and laughed when I said Constanza had changed the dynamic of this team. Constanza was garbage to him and Mayberry was a god send.

Of course, I reminded him that Constanza is producing runs per AB at a higher clip than Mayberry :b

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
1:44 am

Thanks for the ads AJC…sheesh.

NickB

August 23rd, 2011
1:46 am

I think it was about time to pull Constanza anyway. His last 6 games he has a line of .176avg .263obp .176slg .440ops. So i think that the scouting report has gotten out on him. Heyward needs to get some multiple PA’s against some starters and it’s obvious his swing has looked much better of late.
Constanza’s had a good run, but this was bound to happen. Career minor leaguers rarely fool big league scouting departments for long.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
1:54 am

Yeah, Heyward looked great tonight in his AB. You can tout Heyward all you want Nick, but at the end of the day, he isn’t performing…at all. You’ll get your wish for 2-3 days, but then its back to Constanza.

If he looked anything other than disinterested right now, I would agree that he needs consistent playing time to figure it out. Watching him loaf around in the OF and swing and miss at very hittable pitches doesn’t work for me. It doesn’t work for the Braves either.

ohhhhYEAH

August 23rd, 2011
1:57 am

yep. all constanza did tonight was get 2 hits while heyward looked awful

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
2:02 am

In the last 30 days, Jason Heyward has hit .182 and produced runs at an 18% clip. In that same period, Constanza has hit .372 and produced runs at a 38% clip.

Runs wins games. All other metrics are just filler. Constanza is clearly the better option than Heyward right now.

Linebrink for Cy

August 23rd, 2011
2:07 am

JV has pitched 2 days in a row so based on Fredi not wanting to use him 3 in a row anymore, he won’t be available tomorrow. They’ll have to rely on someone not named Venters/O’Flaherty/Kimbrel in order to get to O’Flahrel

BobbyBrave

August 23rd, 2011
2:10 am

RIGHT FIELD IS VERY TOUGH POSTION TO PLAY AT WRIGLEY, LETS GET HINSKE SOME AB AND EVEN FIND A WAY FOR CONRAD…WE ARE ARE GOING TO NEED THESE GUYS LATER DOWN THE ROAD….ALSO..THE PHILLIES HAVE NOT HIT A BAD STRETCH YET….I REALLY LIKED THE WAY THE PITCHING WAS HANDLED TONIGHT. KEEP WINNING SERIES AND ALL WILL BE WELL…..GREAT TIME OF YEAR THE BRAVES ARE LOOKING STRONG AND COLLEGE FOOTBALL STARTS NEXT WEEK …GO GATORS

Mitchell

August 23rd, 2011
2:15 am

Jair Jurrjens, I love that guy.

About time a Braves pitcher got some lucky breaks.

Not to say he was lucky but obviously there’s never much room for error with the Braves offense the way it is.

paul

August 23rd, 2011
2:18 am

JJ walked 5, gave up hits, the score looks much better than he pitched. Nice to get a W but this is not the same pitcher from early this season.

Broncsx3

August 23rd, 2011
2:19 am

Obviously Wild Card team can get home field advantage… as we will this season… in the World Series!

Broncsx3

August 23rd, 2011
2:21 am

ohhhhhYeah

the only way a wild card gets home field advantage in the playoffs is if both wild card teams meet in the world series, and then, as per bud selig, the all star game winner gets home field advantage

You are mistaken. It doesn’t matter if the Braves play a Wild Card team or not, the National League has the Wild Card this year period.

Broncsx3

August 23rd, 2011
2:32 am

Nickb — I think it was about time to pull Constanza anyway. His last 6 games he has a line of .176avg .263obp .176slg .440ops. So i think that the scouting report has gotten out on him. Heyward needs to get some multiple PA’s against some starters and it’s obvious his swing has looked much better of late.
Constanza’s had a good run, but this was bound to happen. Career minor leaguers rarely fool big league scouting departments for long.

First that’s incorrect, he’s batting .250 over his last 6 games. Second, we ran into some fine pitching! Look at the middle of the order during the last 6 games:

Uggla batted .250
Freeman batted .250
McCann batted .200

Clearly the scouting report has caught up to our 3 best hitters. They all had a good run, but it’s time to send them down!

When the guy isn’t hitting over .370 then talk about teams catching up to him. Sheesh…

Broncsx3

August 23rd, 2011
2:33 am

Nickb — I think it was about time to pull Constanza anyway. His last 6 games he has a line of .176avg .263obp .176slg .440ops. So i think that the scouting report has gotten out on him. Heyward needs to get some multiple PA’s against some starters and it’s obvious his swing has looked much better of late.
Constanza’s had a good run, but this was bound to happen. Career minor leaguers rarely fool big league scouting departments for long.

First that’s incorrect, he’s batting .250 over his last 6 games. Second, we ran into some fine pitching! Look at the middle of the order during the last 6 games:

Uggla batted .250
Freeman batted .250
McCann batted .200

Clearly the scouting report has caught up to our 3 best hitters. They all had a good run, but it’s time to send them down!

When the guy isn’t hitting over .370 then talk about teams catching up to him. Sheesh…

NickB

August 23rd, 2011
2:36 am

@ rowsdower I seem to notice Kerry Wood being exceptionally nasty tonite ans striking out all 3 of the men he faced……

Btw, how are you calculating the runs “produced”? Runs scored per pA or something? Cuz you know, that’s not a very good way of explaining productivity. Other people have to be involved so it’s not a very good individual production stat.

Hey, you can whine all you want, Constanza has been figured out. His drop has been huge the past week. But as usual, people will whine about “speed” …. Speed doesn’t matter if you aren’t getting on base (and btw that second hit should have been ruled an error). Calling Heyward out because he K’s against Wood after coming off the bench is bush league stuff. Heyward needs to playing against RH pitching, it’s as simple as that. If you disagree, then you don’t seem to understand how important it is for him to get his PA’s!!! He isn”t going to improve in the cage…. I swear, what kind of fans want their teams biggest prospect to fail so bad? it’s like you people think that he gets one bad season and then he’s got to be shipped off somewhere. Might I suggest researching the numbers of superstars of similar age and build? They usually took some time to develop. If you start platooning him now, Bobby Cox style, eventually he will end up like Klesko, a great hitter against both sides of the plate in the minors who was never really given a chance to hit against big league lefties and ended up a career platoon for no damn reason at all….. The kid needs to play. He needs to play against both sides but at LEAST he should be starting against every RH pitcher we face. It’s smart… It’s important and it’s the best thing for the team.

NickB

August 23rd, 2011
2:38 am

@ Bronx I pulled that straight off of baseball reference, and it referred to the prior 6 games not including tonight. Besides, who cares about batting avg? It’s like telling me how rich you are by showing me you don’t have any debt….

NickB

August 23rd, 2011
2:50 am

Last 6 games (not counting tonite)

Uggla- .948 OPS
Freeman-.608 (and I think we all agree he’s been struggling a wee bit here of late)
McCann- .821 OPS

Constanza- .440 OPS

I don’t see that a drop of .500 points in OPS coming this quickly is anything other than a regress to the mean. In other words, he’s becoming what he was in the minors, a guy who hits a fair bit of singles and relies on his speed to get on base, Has no power and is a mediocre base stealer and defender…. He’s a great 4th OF’er to have cuz he can play all 3 spots. But he should not be taking PA’s from Heyward against RH pitching.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
2:57 am

I’m not whining. I want the Braves to do what’s best for the team and right now, it isn’t playing Heyward regularly. You saw his numbers the last 30 days. He is in a season long slump and isn’t showing signs of coming out of it regardless of the pitcher. He looks feable at the plate and in the field.

Yes, runs produced is a simple metric of runs+RBI/PAs. He has done so hitting at the bottom of the lineup, so you can dismiss it by saying he doesn’t control it, but it is what it is. He’s taking advantage of his opportunity by helping this team score. Something Heyward is not.

The window for him to get PAs is closed. We can’t send him down to Gwinnett where he needed to be the last 2 weeks and still have him on the playoff roster unless we DL him. He does not need those PAs in Atlanta when he isn’t producing and we have a viable option.

I don’t need to research anything and I don’t want Heyward to fail. He has failed enough this year. I want him to succeed just as much as all Braves fans. I don’t want him to hurt this team that has a chance to be special. He can get it together in Spring Training and be ready to help this club next year.

NickB

August 23rd, 2011
2:57 am

One more thing I just noticed. With a .297 bABIP at Turner Field he’s doing a decent .729 OBP (Constanza I mean) which is probably his ceiling as far as production goes in the bigs. Like I said, it’s good ,solid 4th OF’er numbers . Heyward, however, has a rather unlucky .240 bABIP at Turner and is still sporting a .689 (and it was higher before he got benched and gets staggered at bats now) His production per ball in play at home is higher than Constanza’s….

I don’t know why I even bother…. Yer all gonna either try and shout me down with batting avg and how blinded you are by the least useful tool (speed) or your going to nitpick stats because yer either don’t understand them, or dismiss them because they are new…..

p.s. like i said, before Heyward got benched he had a .971 OPS over the previous 8 games… perfect time to sit a guy eh?

NickB

August 23rd, 2011
2:59 am

OBP should be OPS in the above post… wish we had an edit button

NickB

August 23rd, 2011
3:02 am

Here is a great article about measuring offensive production. it’s written in english and is very laymen friendly (it’s not loaded down with sabre jargon and what there is , is explained very well)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2562

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
3:06 am

And we’re supposed to just dismiss a guy that is helping this team win NOW for a player that is going to be great LATER? Heyward isn’t producing regardless of how you spin the numbers. Metrics are great. I enjoy using them as a barometer for how a player is producing NOW. They aren’t crystal balls. Heyward will play to his potential in the FUTURE and it won’t have anything to do with metrics. It will have to do with him being healthy and clear minded. Oh, and hustling…another thing he isn’t doing right now.

The metrics will bear that out then…

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
3:11 am

I read that and you know what, I agree, Heyward is going to be a better player than Constanza over the course of his career. You win…

NickB

August 23rd, 2011
3:11 am

I see you ignored the .971 OPS in his prior 8 days before being benched ….. That’s not a projection. it’s what he had produced.
Look, I can see sitting him against lefties, he’s been miserable against them this year. But his isolated power is good enough that he needs to start against RH pitching. Plus, like I said, even with the ground balls he’s hit he’s been astoundingly unlucky. (like a .028 bABIp on ground balls) if he was even just horribly unlucky his OPS would be around .800 right now….

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
3:24 am

Sorry, man, i’ve watched just about every game this year and those weak toppers he hits to 2B are not unlucky. They are a product of weak contact and nothing else. They barely have enough momentum to get through the infield grass. Not a tough play for a marginal IF.

If he was hitting the ball hard and had those numbers, I would agree he was unlucky. He isn’t hitting the ball hard. He’s hitting weak grounders and striking out too much.

Heyward’s OPS is .697 this year. Constanza’s is 904. That’s all you need to know. When Constanza’s OPS drops under .700 like Heyward’s he can take over in RF because he has potential. Until then, this team has to play the guy that’s producing and that’s Constanza…

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
3:35 am

Nick – I would love to see a metric that takes SBs into account. A base is a base. Why should it only count positively on your OPS if you achieve by hitting a ball into the gap? Every SB is for all intents and purposes a double.

In fact, i’m going to invent that metric because speed does matter and we need an accurate accessment of what someone like Bourn or Constanza bring to a team. Who knows, maybe i’ll become famous and you will be the inspiration…I would give you full credit for my inspiration too because that’s the kind of guy I am. You can be my assistant GM when the Braves hire me.

clay

August 23rd, 2011
3:46 am

When heyward gets 3 hits tomorrow I dont want to see any positve comments about him since everyone thinks he needs to be sent down. If chipper and everyone else knows this kid can play then obviously he can. Everyone has a bad season at some point in there career. Jason is just getting it out of the way early.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
3:55 am

With my new metric, we’ll call it OPS+SB, here’s where we stand:

Constanza – 1.073 (10.2)
Bourn – .939 (.918)
Prado – .758 (.742)
Heyward – .737 (.728)

Maybe your argument should be that Heyward platoon with Prado instead of attacking Constanza constantly.

It’s rudementary right now because I would need to calculate the lost opportunity for CS (maybe take away a single for each CS. In parentheses above), but metrics don’t lie.

Broncsx3

August 23rd, 2011
3:56 am

Nick says stupid things like “get on base” then tries to take away a time he got on base because “it should have been an error”.

Guess what? Had it been ruled an error it would have been caused by his speed. The dude gets on base consistently, steals bases, disrupts pitchers… And you want to bench him because he only had a .333 on-base percentage over his last 6 games with the pitcher hitting behind him against some of the best pitching in the NL.

That’s just… Stupid.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
4:04 am

What he also fails to admit is that reaching on an error is still GETTING ON BASE which counts for OBP which is half of the equation for his almighty OPS. That “least useful tool” called speed directly affects OBP. As you can see above I think its time speed is accounted for more directly in these metrics. If you get a single and steal 2nd, how is that less beneficial than a double?

BobbyBrave

August 23rd, 2011
4:37 am

BOTTOM LINE……CONSTANZA…MONDAY NIGHT…STEAL OF 2ND..BUNTED TO 3RD SCORES ON F/C…..THIS IS NOT A BASHING OF HEYWARD, BUT YOU CAN NOT STEAL FIRST…NO ONE ON THIS BLOG HAS ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT WHO PLAYS…LOOK AT THE RECORD..SOMEONE IS MAKING THE RIGHT CALLS IN THE DUGOUT…ALSO IT TAKES NO TALENT TO HUSTLE…MR. HEYWARD…JUST HUSTLE

Von Trapp

August 23rd, 2011
5:46 am

Mathman is vight………………Tell das Phillies……..Ve are coming……..Ve are coming……….Nothing vill stop das onslaught by Uggla,Freeman,McCain,Jones,Bourn,etc

Keep it Real

August 23rd, 2011
6:20 am

Jair does not look right to me. His command was not good and a number of balls were hit hard that were outs. He easily could have given up a high number of runs. He said he is improving after the game, but right now I would have him as our fifth starter (possibly sixth depending on Hansen’s next few performances.)

Broncsx3

August 23rd, 2011
6:26 am

Rows – are you sure an error raises OBP? I thought it counted as an out.

Also, a sound is better than a single for Purposes of RBIs and also a leadoff double makes it easier to bunt a guy over to 3rd on the first pitch. But you point is a valid one, speed counts for something. It gets a guy over, it gets to more fly balls, it scores from 1st on a double, and it gets in the opposing teams heads.

Braves are going through best offensive stretch of season… Right when Georgie and Bourn show up. Crazy coincidences!!!

Broncsx3

August 23rd, 2011
6:27 am

“a Sound” supposed to be “a Double”

longtimefan

August 23rd, 2011
6:45 am

Heyward needs to play. JJ hitting 86-88 most of the night is of concern.

tommyhawkcubbiesfan

August 23rd, 2011
6:48 am

It has been said that baseball is 60% luck and momentum and 40% talent. it looked like JJ had luck on his side last night, because the cubbies had JJ on the ropes all night but just couldn’t get the big hit braves pitchers gave up 9 hits and 7 walks compared to cubbies 6 hits and 3 walks—but that’s baseball….

GT71

August 23rd, 2011
6:57 am

Anyone seen ANY coverage of the LLWS in the AJC?
The Warner Robbins team is there again knocking on the World Championship door and not a peep from the AJC. The Braves are pretty good, but sometimes the best ‘ball’ is played at lower levels..much lower.

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
7:08 am

Fredi (I’ll call him this instead of “Fruity” until his next non-managerial demonstration warrants such) is still learning how to be a manager instead of a third base coach…

No complaints here with a postseason team he inherited, initially pretty much plugged in the same guys at the same spots that Cox did, but a team that has won five straight and taken a commanding lead in their quest for the postseason. However, He has been most fortunate recently that our pitching has produced shutout performances thus somewhat masking the fact that our offense has been producing very little consistency and has become once again too dependent of the HR ball to win games 1-0, 3-0, etc.. This can’t be expected to continue and this offense needs to get it’s mojo back that it had during, oddly enough, McCann’s and Chipper’s extended absence from the lineup.

This is where I believe Fredi’s lack of experience has had an effect…

This team was frequently hitting on all cylinders primarily due to their lineup of Bourne, Prado, Freeman, Uggla in the top four slots. Then McCann comes back and Fredi pops him at third and Freeman down to 5th even with McCann fresh of the disabled list and without a single at bat from rehab. Results: loss of momentum and an effective 1-3 in the batting order to ignite the offense.

Now certainly McCann is one of the Braves best–if not the best–hitters; however, what would have been wrong with leaving Freeman right where he was producing well (particularly with the reining third place hitter, Jones, being unable to stay healthy to maintain this consistency) and put McCann where he and the team is best served…at cleanup!

Keep Uggla hitting right behind McCann, and Chipper right behind Uggla to protect him. We haven’t been the same offense since McCann’s return; and his return, had it been handled correctly, should have enhance this offense rather than interrupt it. Further, no experienced manager EVER puts his slowest runner at third when there are other qualified third place options. The Braves have several third place options in Freeman, Jones, and Uggla–while he is so hot and with good speed and hustle. I’d like to see more of Constanza at #2 when facing RHP and drop Prado to 3rd or 7th or 8th. Then you’d have two lead-off hitters at the top and no way Constanza misses that squeeze bunt on Sunday!

I’ll give Fredi credit for having the courage to bring Chipper back and put him sixth while Freeman and Uggla was so hot batting 3rd and 4th, but he just blew it putting the solid hitting but slow afoot catcher at the #3 spot. McCann is the perfect #4 or even #5 hitter…a #3 he isn’t suited for and Fredi needs to grow up fast as a manager if he’s to have a chance against the better managed clubs deep into the postseason; something his mentor, the nose miner, was the worst at!

Again, even though I don’t at all think Fredi is the sharpest tack in the box, he was spot on taking out Lowe and Jurrjens when he did the last three games as earlier i the season he was always a batter or two too late…maybe he’s growing into the job but he still has some growing to do in my opinion for us to win the close games in the playoffs when facing the very best pitching and usually the sharpest managers in the game–and it is in the postseason in a five or seven games series that the best in-game, situational managers get to celebrate on the pitcher’s mound!

ATLfan15

August 23rd, 2011
7:34 am

@GT71: haven’t seen a thing about the LLWS, or the Warner Robins team in the AJC. but last night, Jim Powell talked about the team during the radio broadcast and really gave them their props for winning such an exciting, extra inning game yesterday afternoon.
i don’t care if the AJC says one word about them…everyone in WR knows how good they are anyway and we are so proud of them. GO WRALL!!! :-)

great game last night! man, what a blast by Uggla….Jim Powell said he saw this sign in the crowd at The Ted over the weekend: “Beat ‘em with an UGGLA stick!”

too funny…i love it!

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
8:00 am

ATLfan15,

Warner Robbins is a nice little conservative town with a lot of nice families simply doing their best to be good parents, good men, good women and good children. It is against AJC policy to provide any coverage or attention to good, basic standards and values as it is clearly communicated both directly and indirectly in their business plan and mission statement that they will always attempt to exclusively focus on the liberal agenda and avoid all things possible as “conservative.”

Or haven’t you noticed that the AJC ALWAYS has and ALWAYS will publicly endorses every liberal gubernatorial and presidential candidate, regardless of their qualifications, experience or applicable skills for the position.

In short, it’s an AJC ownership and leadership agenda so this is why I ignore 95% of it’s contents and try to enjoy this 5% of sports talk with the good bloggers on here…

Now, here it will follow, that someone will comment below that the current buffoon in the white house and his merry band of idiots have a clue and everything–now nearly three years later–is still Bush’s fault

bring back blauser

August 23rd, 2011
8:08 am

i still think back to 1964 when the phils had a 11 game lead on the st louis cards on aug 24 and ended up losing out to the cards. so anything is possible.

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
8:09 am

And while I’m on my high horse, why not change the name of Turner Field to Aaron field. Ted Turner has been completely uninvolved in this team for over a decade now and doesn’t even live here anymore! Hank Aaron–or even, or even the nose picker, Bobby Cox (Cox Field), has had much more past and present influence and impact on this team and are loyal Georgia residents that have managed to keep it to one wife!

Turner’s one of the biggest, foul mouthed drunks and womanizing slimes on the planet and it is embarrassing to our city to see that name displayed and mentioned on TV

Sermon over…

bring back blauser

August 23rd, 2011
8:16 am

larry

turner field got it’s name from turner communications. it just happened that at the time ted was the man in charge there. one of the first to be a advetising gimmick

Buddman

August 23rd, 2011
8:20 am

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Buddman

August 23rd, 2011
8:20 am

Well put Larry

Another Clueless Braves Blogger

August 23rd, 2011
8:21 am

JJ is obviously still getting back on track – 5 walks is not typical of JJ completely back on track. But the mark of a top teir MLB pitcher is winning without your best stuff. Last night’s game shows that JJ is making progress.

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GT71

August 23rd, 2011
8:38 am

Yes, ATLfan15, it was a humdinger of a game. Back and forth, up and down…then way down…then miracle up. In fact, the best game to air in last 24 hours – including Braves win.
An Larry – thanks for the ’splanation altho I had guessed as much. Remember, with a reduced staff and a ’smaller’ paper, maybe the AJC can’t fit in anything not UGA, Tech, Braves or Falcons. A pity.
The AJC – still the worst major market paper in the USA. Thanks, COX.

GT71

August 23rd, 2011
8:41 am

And the problem with naming things – roads, bridges, highways, ballparks, etc. – after people is they end up as just ‘people’ with the attendent feet of clay.
Used to be nothing got named for folks unitl they was dead and ‘vetted’.
selah…

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
8:41 am

bring back blauser

As a native and 20+ year STH, I know the history. That it’s nickname is “The Ted” speaks for itself.

I’d bet if a vote were taken from any and all demographics (fans, citizens, Braves players, coaches and entire organization) today it would be a landslide victory to rename the park to either “Aaron Field” or “Braves Field.”

Ted Turner is now a simply a reference point in Atlanta Braves history whereas Hank Aaron, for example, still lives within and among us. Braves Field would be my second choice.

henry from TN

August 23rd, 2011
8:43 am

jj sure ain’t the pitcher he was the first half, i am afraid he won’t be so lucky against a good team, i thought the stadium should have been named Aaron field when it was named turner field….

dean

August 23rd, 2011
8:47 am

That double play in the first was a thing of beauty. It certainly wasn’t a gimme.

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
8:52 am

Another Clueless Braves Blogger,

Let’s be honest here…

JJ “appeared” better last night only because of facing a losing team that left a thousand runners on base. JJ would have probably given up 5+ runs with five walks and his fastball topping out at 88 MPH were he facing the Phillies, Yanks, Sox and several other teams. The man was very, very lucky!

I’ll take it, but if he looks on October 1st like he has looked in August no freaking way does he pitch one of the first two games in the postseason. He should only be considered if we are up 2-0 in a five game or up 3-0 in a seven game series the way he’s pitching now. I’d go with Hudson, Beachy, Minor or one of the “kids” throwing 97 mph over JJ or Hanson right now.

What on earth has happened for both JJ and Hanson to drop 4-5 MPH off their fastball, especially at such young ages? Their off speed stuff is good, but not good enough to overcome their now batting practice fastballs against the better pitching and hitting in the postseason!

vermont 39

August 23rd, 2011
8:52 am

@ Nick B…Constanza is playing better than JH. No one says he is BETTER than JH…even with the cataclysmic drop off you mention, he is presently outperforming JH by a ton. Getting on base and scoring is the game. If his legs get him to force errors, then he is using his tools to get on base. Stop apologizing for JH’s poor performance. We all want him to do well: He’s a BRAVE!!!

Chris Snow

August 23rd, 2011
8:52 am

I am not so worried about playing road games now because are head and shoulders better on the road that we were last year!

Chris Snow

August 23rd, 2011
8:53 am

Any one know the MLB record for the scoreless streak? The Braves have what, 26 innings straight where they have not allowed a run?

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
8:56 am

Chris,

The MLB record is held by the 1903 Pittsburgh Pirates. They went 56 innings without giving up a single run from June 1, 1903 to June 9, 1903.

The record in the AL is held by the 1974 Baltimore Orioles with 54 straight innings without giving up a run. It lasted from September 1, 1974 to September 7, 1974.

Chris Snow

August 23rd, 2011
9:01 am

Thanks Larry, I guess the streak we have going on now is small potatoes then! Still impressive IMO. Also I do not think the defense lately has gotten enough credit. They are playing championship caliber ball right now.

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
9:10 am

Agreed, Chris, we just need to get the offense back in sync soon to carry their fair share when our good pitching and their recent “rabbit foot” takes a night off

Lat night the rabbit foot was flexing his muscles for JJ!

ATLfan15

August 23rd, 2011
9:25 am

@Larry: thanks for the kind words about my hometown, born and raised in WR and proud of it! and most likely, you are on point with the reasons we haven’t seen any coverage about the LLWS from the AJC.
i also vote to change the name of the stadium to Hank Aaron Field. a deserved honor for a man who will always be the TRUE home run king! where’s the petition? ;-)

@GT71: agreed about it being the best game! and ESPN isn’t giving the WR boys a chance against the local team from Clinton Co. PA; they have already predicted the Penn team will win tonight.

after watching JJ pitch last night, we can’t get Delgado back up here fast enough. only the Cubs would leave 14+ runners on base…the Brewers and Phillies most certainly would not.

Chris Snow

August 23rd, 2011
9:28 am

I agree, JJ was leaving a lot of pitches up that the Cubs couldn’t get around on. And the defense bailed him out of the many jams he was in. I sure hated to see Constanza get hurt though. But maybe this will give Heyward the chance to get out of this funk (hopefully).

Jon

August 23rd, 2011
9:31 am

Houston has been officially elemintated from postseason play. Just 11 more teams to go….

Go Braves!!

Bruce Benedicts tight baby blue pants

August 23rd, 2011
9:33 am

Looks like J-Hey will get a couple of consecutive games against the righties….we’ll see. If I was still behind the plate i wouldn’t leave the inside corner.

steve brown

August 23rd, 2011
9:34 am

Anyone else notice JJ’s fastball seemed 3-5 mph slower.

southern hope

August 23rd, 2011
9:39 am

Larry at 8 a.m. — the AJC didn’t forgo coverage on the little league world series because Warner Robbins has “nice conservative families are raising children there.” I mean…..LOL!!! And they’ve actually been covering it…I’m pretty sure I saw a piece in the saturday or sunday paper….but I agree that they should be covering it more…my kid is really into it and it’s very cool that a Georgia team made it this far….my guess (only a guess) is that it’s a staffing issue….but I think they should have sent someone up to PA to cover it…it’s a great story.

Chris Snow

August 23rd, 2011
9:45 am

JJ’s fastball has been around the 88mph range all season I think. But his location (before the break), and his change up has been awesome. He’s definitely not going to blow anyone away. And he has to get ball down though, teams like the Phillys and the Brewers will have a field day with all those pitches up in the zone.

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