Hanson’s return delayed; Moylan to rehab at Gwinnett

Tommy Hanson’s return to the Braves starting rotation is likely to be pushed back again from Tuesday to … well, to when he’s ready.

The right-hander is on the 15-day disabled list with shoulder tendinitis for the second time in as many months, and Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said it would be pushing things to have him try to pitch Tuesday.

“I don’t think it’s going to be too much longer after that,” Hanson said. “It felt great today. Today was my first day doing everything [full workout], and I felt real good. It’s encouraging.”

Fill-in rookie starter Mike Minor would remain in the rotation to start Tuesday in place of Hanson.

“I think the window for [Hanson] to pitch [Tuesday] may be getting close to closing,” Gonzalez said. “We may err on the side of caution there. I think we may give him a rehab start in the minor leagues. But that’s down the road a little bit.”

Hanson hasn’t thrown from the mound since his last start Aug. 6 at New York, where he gave up a career-high four homers and seven runs in 3-1/3 innings against the Mets to fall to 1-3 with an 8.10 ERA and .313 opponents’ average in five starts since the All-Star break.

He was 10-4 with a 2.44 ERA and .190 OA before the break.

The right-hander had an MRI on his pitching shoulder a few days later to rule out structural damage, then got his second cortisone shot in two months for tendinitis.

It’s taken longer than expected to recover, and Hanson agreed with the decision to make a minor-league rehab start next week before coming off the DL.

“I want to get back out there as fast as I can,” he said. “But I know if I just run out there and pitch, I don’t think that’s going to help the team. So go face some hitters, feel comfortable again, then get back out there. I think that’s the best bet, especially with it being this long. I think it’s the best way to go.”

Moylan to rehab at Gwinnett

After spending four months on the disabled list recovering from back surgery, reliever Peter Moylan is losing patience and antsy to pitch again in games. He won’t have to wait much longer.

He threw batting practice Thursday for the second time this week,  is set to begin a rehab assignment Monday with Triple-A Gwinnett. He would likely rejoin the Braves around Sept. 1, when rosters are expanded.

The Aussie sidearmer would  be eligible for the postseason roster whether he’s activated before or after an Aug. 31 deadline to set postseason rosters. Players on the DL Aug. 31 are eligible for the playoff roster.

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AK Braves Fan

August 18th, 2011
8:23 pm

Minor’s really holding his own out there.

P-Man

August 18th, 2011
8:36 pm

I’ve been impressed with each of Minor’s last 2 or 3 starts. He’s really getting better.

As for Moylan and Hanson, let’s bring ‘em back when they are ready, and not a minute sooner.

Sloppy

August 18th, 2011
8:38 pm

Ronald Millsaps

August 18th, 2011
8:46 pm

I’m not going to indict the Braves’ offense on a one-game case sample, but even against pitchers like Matt Cain, the offense generally needs to produce more than it did last night.

Mike from the coast

August 18th, 2011
8:53 pm

I’m real interested in seeing what the Braves do next year. Delgado looks ready for the majors, so does Vizcaino. Minor looks good. And Teheran is supposed to be the Braves most ready pitcher. Hmmm. We’ve got Hudson, Jurrgens, Hanson, and Beachy for starters next year. Maybe Lowe will be moved to the bullpen for his last year. Still we have a wealth of starters. Going to be interesting.

braves29

August 18th, 2011
9:05 pm

Minors last couple of innings pitched really well tonight

tom.hawk

August 18th, 2011
9:13 pm

Just strike out Gonzales and get Hinske up there

AK Braves Fan

August 18th, 2011
9:17 pm

tom.hawk it’s sad but i always think the same thing. I see a strikeout as a productive at bat for Gonzalez since it at least means he didn’t gidp to end the inning, as just happened.

G

August 18th, 2011
9:18 pm

Gonzo is worthless at the plate

NorCal Brave

August 18th, 2011
9:23 pm

ROY & a Gold Glove for Freddie!

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urban redneck

August 18th, 2011
9:43 pm

where are all the folks saying wren was a jackass for not pulling the trigger on the minor- beltran trade?

Paul (Posting "first" is stupid)

August 18th, 2011
9:47 pm

Smart move, let him rest, having 8 SP for 5 spots is plenty of reason to let him rest.

Joseph

August 18th, 2011
9:48 pm

NorCal…..I give you the gold glove, although I am not sure a rookie will get it. He should without question. But I would rather see a dual ROY Kimbrel and Freeman. The baby-faced assassin is only 3 saves away from the rookie save record. I personally cannot find a way to take the award away from either of them.

iago's yoda

August 18th, 2011
9:53 pm

(overheard on the Braves’ locker room intercom) “DEREK LOWE, PLEASE REPORT TO THE MANAGER’S OFFICE. AND BRING YOUR PLAYBOOK.”

Minor’s maturity is catching up with the talent in his arm. Give him one more year and he will be a beast on Opening Day ‘13.

Joseph

August 18th, 2011
9:55 pm

After tonight’s win, this team is 8-2 against former CY Young winners this season. That is dang impressive.

BOB

August 18th, 2011
10:00 pm

Braves motto for the rest of the season: WIN ONE FOR THE CHIPPER!

space monkey

August 18th, 2011
10:01 pm

After watching JJ last night, maybe Hanson should do a rehab start or two before he pitches next.

South Georgia Boy

August 18th, 2011
10:04 pm

winning two or three against Arizona would be like another nail in the coffin for the west contendors. In all actuality, that is who we are competing against, now.

SFBraves

August 18th, 2011
10:06 pm

I somehow don’t agree with Fredi G on putting Chipper on 6th, especially this is game. The guy is hitting 0.392 with RISP against one of the best pitcher in the league. And also Uggla and Freeman are slowing down a little bit. Well, Minor was superb today, gave us a W.
Great win, go Braves! Love it

BravesfaninWis

August 18th, 2011
10:10 pm

Never thought in a million years that 1 run would be the Giants let alone Tim Lincecum and the Giants. Nice game by Minor and it looks like he could be figuring things out. Good game, and if not for Linestink, we could have swept the defending World Champs in a 4 game season. If only the Braves would have played them like this last season.

Bravesfanbob

August 18th, 2011
10:13 pm

Jeff

August 18th, 2011
10:21 pm

Now we know why Wren wouldn’t part with these young studs for Beltran or Pence. Delgado, Beachy, Minor and Vizcaino are incredible!

Bravesfanbob

August 18th, 2011
10:22 pm

Freddie has to give Bourn the steal sign a lot more often. If he makes it only 80% of the time, which is low for him, that’s 50% more often reaching 2nd than a .300 hitter getting a hit to move him up. Then he has Prado hitting behind him to hit it to the right side. Then you have the infield in with one out, and that turns McCann from a .300 hitter to a .400 hitter. Speed makes things happen, and it’s the ONLY thing I have a problem with Freddie. He’s done a fantastic job, other than that. But for a team that’s had 22 extra inning games, 1 run can be the difference in any game. So send him!

Milt Famey

August 18th, 2011
10:27 pm

@Bravesfanin Wis, we didn’t have the horses last season and SF was a much better team. Losing Posey was a major blow which will keep them out of the postseason, IMO

Shaggy

August 18th, 2011
10:30 pm

Nice win ! Go Braves !

Milt Famey

August 18th, 2011
10:31 pm

Why didn’t we let Gonzo bunt in the 8th and move 2 runners into scoring position with Hinske on deck? Gonzo hits into a lot of dp’s, or so it seems.

up north

August 18th, 2011
10:32 pm

Does anyone think this team can keep winning with Minor, Beachy, Delgado, Hudson, and maybe Jurrjens or Hanson healthy? I do. I certainly am not counting on Lowe as a starter any more. Oh, and I forgot about Teheran and Viscaino. I say give those guys a chance, and let Jurrjens and Hanson rest a bit longer. Free up a spot by releasing Linebrink, and send Martinez down to Gwinnett.

Shaggy

August 18th, 2011
10:32 pm

Bob, LMAO. Win one for the Chipper !

Shaggy

August 18th, 2011
10:34 pm

I like the idea of Delgado & Teheran over JJ & Lowe. I mean they’ve outpitched the veterans. I go on what I see in the present not the past.

garry

August 18th, 2011
10:37 pm

i think the Braves should scrap linebrink like they did proctor and let the young bucks pitch even if they make the same mistakes the veterans have been making at least they are learning from it oflarety venters and kimbrall just need to be spotted in the non wins and this team will be set.i am SO glad we did not give up minor for beltran. amen

NickB

August 18th, 2011
10:38 pm

Great game! But I swear,Fredi would send Johnny Bench from 1st if Dave Kingman had a 3-2 count facing Randy Johnson…. His in game decisionmaking is worse than Bobby’s….. and I thought that was impossible

Brownie

August 18th, 2011
10:38 pm

Anyone know if Alex Gonzales has taken a walk this season??

Brownie

August 18th, 2011
10:48 pm

Random thoughts here on above comments:

Bravesfanbob: you nailed it. we finally have some speed – let’s use it to push the opposing pitcher, because generally the Braves are not consistently clutch hitters.

Shaggy: at this point in the season, I would agree with you. But come playoff time, I do want some experience in there.

Wren will have some interesting decisions this winter. Hanson and JJ are showing a propensity to be injured often – risky to give them long-term money, especially considering they are both Scott Boros clients I believe. The young guys are just about ready, and I can see: Huddy, Beachy, Minor, with Medlin, Teheran and Delgado fighting it out for the last two spots. Be a gutsy move to trade Hanson and JJ, but you would certainly fill some major holes in the position player lineup> Chipper likely to retire / move Prado to 3rd/ bring in a big bat in LF. Gonzo is a free agent and has to be GONE-ZO> Is Pasternicky ready and capable? or do we need to bring in someone there?

It feels like we’re on the cusp of another long run here.

Paul (Posting "first" is stupid)

August 18th, 2011
10:52 pm

He’s taken one or two IBB. Only because he was hitting in front of the pitcher.

NorCal Brave

August 18th, 2011
10:55 pm

Is 3-headed dragon a term used in Atlanta to describe O’Ventbrel? Giant announcers used it tonight.

Dr. Phil

August 18th, 2011
11:12 pm

People are bashing Fredi, and I have too, but the guy is winning. This has been an outstanding week, including the partial comeback last night.

nashvillewill

August 18th, 2011
11:34 pm

Minor continues to improve and imo should replace Lowe in starting rotation. Of course, with Hanson and JJ out Lowe is still in. Also, Braves could use left-handed starter, which is why they drafted Minor in first place. Fredi’s handling of pitchers was better but no brainer. Hanson and JJ do not look like future Braves to me – JJ is injury-prone and Hanson’s mechanics make him an injury waiting to happen. As Boros clients Braves will not pony up. The future is now. I look forward to watching Minor, Teheran, Delgado, Medlin, Beachy and Hudson for a while. Which of these 6 is odd man out? Interesting dilemma.
Success this year will be elusive with Gonzales unable to hit, Uggla still inconsistent, and Chipper an occasional player. Heyward still needs to work on hitting and ML club is not the place to do it.
George and Bourn have helped but I fear not quite enough. If Braves hold on to WC, I don’t look for them to do much in playoffs. UNLESS Hanson and JJ are truly out for awhile and Braves plug in rookies who catch fire. Hence, the future is now.

Baseball 101

August 18th, 2011
11:56 pm

The long – term pitching strategy of this team is amazing. They just bring wave after wave of young, relatively rested arms at the other team..

Younger Than That Now

August 19th, 2011
1:15 am

There’s no question about it, and I think every team in the league is in on it, but there is no need in throwing a strike to Alex Gonzalez… no need at all. You can strike him out or get him to GIDP throwing pitches that are nowhere near the strike zone. And the next time up he might just pop a 375 foot HR… not often enough… but he does it!

DeepDiver

August 19th, 2011
4:22 am

Moylan could be a great addition to the pen for the postseason if he is ready.

Can we call mulligan on the AGON-Escobar swap? The guy is a wasteland with the bat — it would be one thing if he could at least make productive outs, that in tandem with his defense would be enough as we have other bats to carry the load.

Braves don’t have any immediate answers in the farm so SS is the one everyday position that is desperate for an upgrade in the offseason.
To think Fredi had this guy slotted in the 2-hole for a number of games this year.

BobbyBrave

August 19th, 2011
4:22 am

get off gonzo people….his def. is worth everything to this team and every non and then he runs into a big hr….who do you want an average ss and no-hitting lugo?? i would hate to see gonzo go down with an injury..that could be a crushing blow and prob. no playoff this year.

gem

August 19th, 2011
5:17 am

Give Pasternicky a shot. I know experience is important at ss but I hate it when I hope for a strikeout from ours.

Mike Jay

August 19th, 2011
5:53 am

BobbyBrave, Agree. As an old wise manager once said “he has RBi’s in his glove”. I don’t remember Rafael Belliard getting so much crap about his offense. I guess if Gonzo had always been this weak with his bat It would not be an issue? Just this last week he made two plays that were mind blowing. Go ask any of the Brave pitchers what they think of Gonzo and his lack of hitting (hint: they don’t give a crap) Uggla’s defense and range has surprised me this season as well. I kept hearing how bad he was but I think he has been quite good. Add Chippers great defenses this year and the vacuum cleaner Freeman at first and i think we have one of the best defenseive infieds in baseball. Far cry from last season.

BobbyBrave

August 19th, 2011
6:41 am

thanks mike jay..i was going to say rafael….but not sure i would spell it right……also get chipper back in the 3 hole…uggla was on a hot streak and it is over….but i love uggla play and hustle….i love the makeup of this team..looks like they are having fun playing this wonderful game..go get two out of three against the snakes

Arkie

August 19th, 2011
6:50 am

Glad to see Fredi think. Make sure Hanson is ready. All young pitchers coming off DL should be given rehab at the minor league level. Unless Hanson works on his delivery, he will possibly always have shoulder problems. Glad to see Moylan progressing. Fredi, in two years you should have the best pitching in either league. Watch their innings. Let them develop at a slow pace. Venters has been overly used at times. A good bench coach will help you. I have been asking for speed and defense for years and Wren has delivered. Go Braves, Go Chipper.

DeepDiver

August 19th, 2011
7:35 am

Belliard could handle a bat — he wasn’t constantly hurting you by striking out and hitting into double plays. Like I said — productive outs. AGON is horrible at situational hitting. Man on 2nd, no outs; Man on 3rd, less than 2 — he’s terrible. If he is not pulling a mistake out of the ballpark he is of no use.

Belliard also always hit 8th — Fredi has proven he doesnt know how to manage a lineup by hitting this rally killer all over the lineup.

He is also aging. It is time to upgrade.

Bear

August 19th, 2011
8:19 am

Hansons a great pitcher but unfortunaly with his wind up and the way he throws the ball I can see a lot of shoulder problems in the future.

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Hooter Girl

August 19th, 2011
9:26 am

I like the radio announcers description of the bullpen trio, Sit Down, Shut Up, Go Home. To the genius who said to send Martinez down, well Sit Down, Shut Up, Go Home!

Hooter Girl

August 19th, 2011
9:27 am

That genius would be up north, wouldn’t you know, please just stay home.

Peachtree John

August 19th, 2011
9:32 am

Give Hanson and JJ at least 2 starts in Gwinnette. The “big” club is doing OK without them.

Realist

August 19th, 2011
9:39 am

It’s nice having 8 starting pitchers and all, but what are you going to do with all of them in 2012? Wren still needs to make a deal or 2 this offseason.

jr

August 19th, 2011
10:11 am

Don’t forget Medlin who will be ready next year.

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Andrew pong

August 19th, 2011
10:31 am

First of all I am proud of my team .2nd the lineup is good but could be better cippa Mcaan,uggla,fredi jason r/ contaza alex pitcher. Now for all who think pitch the kids yea right .none of the face braun and felder pujols the uptons of the world so u think theycan face these monsters when the temp is up u yall saw wat cody ross did to delgado.these r pro hitters.i think and now a 80% molan is better than proctor and yea he knows how to kill rallys thats wat we need then we have a shout up and have a seat bull pen

henry from TN

August 19th, 2011
11:21 am

DOB I enjoy your blog I would like to know what web site you get all your statics please print it on your blog…thank you….

Defense isn't enough

August 19th, 2011
11:25 am

How many runners has Gonzo left on base this season? He’s got to be “leading the league” !!

space monkey

August 19th, 2011
11:54 am

This is a very smart move. Now, what are they going to do about JJ?

Braves in 11

August 19th, 2011
12:19 pm

How many runs has Gonzo saved this year? His defense has saved the Braves pitching staff a ton of runs this year. You know all those close 1-2 run wins we’ve had. Oh yeah that’s like an extra 50 RBI’s by Gonzo saved from the opposing team.

BoatDoc

August 19th, 2011
12:21 pm

Rob Neyer’s place at ESPN MLB has been taken by David Schoenfield, who is often less than astute in his writing, but he’s noticed enough to write:

“Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/15121/braves-relief-trio-tough-to-top

BoatDoc

August 19th, 2011
12:21 pm

What a luxury to know that a lead after the 6th inning is going to stay a lead.

Smart Jay

August 19th, 2011
12:28 pm

OMG. This blog is the daily laugh riot. Before too many get terribly excited about Minor’s and Delgado’s performances this week, just remember they were facing the Giants. That’s barely a AAA lineup out there.

It’s good to see them pitch well and especially not walk guys, but, the Giants suck hitting, so, take it for what it’s worth.

As for Gonzo, look, he’s not in there for his offense, and what many are seeing is true, let’s look (all from baseballreference.com)

Productive outs: 17% vs. leage avg 33%
GIDP – 17% vs. league avg 11%
These are small samples, but he’s getting runners to third from second (61% vs. 55%), but he’s not living up to the getting them home from 3rd (45% vs. 52%).

Alex’s other problem is K’s, 21% vs. league avg of 17%.

So, he’s striking out and grounding into too many DP’s.

Also, he’s hitting more ground balls than he usually does this season, but he’s still below the league average in ground ball rate.

Look, the guy is what he appears, a .240 hitter with some pop and a great glove. Lesser Shortstops have had great careers.

Braves in 11

August 19th, 2011
12:43 pm

Smart Jay,

So Minor’s start against one of the best offenses in the game in the Blue Jays wasn’t impressive two months ago?

7 innings pitched, 5 hits, 1 run, 1 BB and 8 K’s. Oh and not to mention he hasn’t allowed a homerun at all yet this year. That’s pretty damn impressive in my book.

Dizzle

August 19th, 2011
1:29 pm

The thing with Gonzo is he has an incredible glove and just enough range to make standard plays into SportsCenter material. He is still a MAJOR improvement from Escobar, and every man in the clubhouse will tell you the same. That being said, I think it would be a sound investment to trade one of our great pitchers for an upgrade in the offseason. Beter yet, trade a borderline guy like Hanson and get a young SS with 5 tools.

NorCal Brave, I hadn’t heard that before, and think the Giants announcers must have been reading too much Game of Thrones on their long road trip.

DeepDiver

August 19th, 2011
1:47 pm

Nice post Smart Jay.

Homebound fan

August 19th, 2011
1:48 pm

As for Gonzo…his hitting is sub par because he swings off balance and only uses his shoulders to guide the bat and seldom is he looking at the ball when he swings. I wish he would stop that.
On his fielding…I do not see a better or more consistent shortstop in the majors. His coverage area and glove work are awesome. I hope he keeps that up.
His batting has cost the Braves a lot of runs but his fielding has cost the other teams a lot of runs. I’m happy with him playing shortstop for the Braves.

heartofdarkness

August 19th, 2011
1:48 pm

Let the Braves’ moves this year tell you what they are thinking. The additions they have made, and the additions they have not, suggest the highest priority is to assemble a young core in the lineup that can be expected to perform in Atlanta for up to the next three years. The young pitchers have improved from where they were when the team headed north from spring training. You would expect them to be in the rotation next year. The team’s biggest need at present is to find a legitimate no. 3 hitter. It doesn’t appear that that player is on the roster presently (absent J. Heyward’s revival and further development). One could expect the Braves to unload high priced pitching with at aim at acquiring minor league pitching prospects, but acquiring the needed bat would seem to be more difficult. The general economic enivronment may have more to do with what becomes available than the available trade bait, IMHO.

Bozo

August 19th, 2011
1:57 pm

No matter what player is being discussed a lot of people on these blogs know of someone in the minors who is better. I question their actual knowledge of which they speak.

MK_3

August 19th, 2011
1:57 pm

I really don’t have a problem with Minor for Hanson, Delgado for JJ, and either of the other two for Lowe until they can figure it out. Don’t forget we get back Medlen next season as well.

Atlanta Fan

August 19th, 2011
2:05 pm

The way things are looking I expect the Braves organization to rid itself of most players who have Boros for an agent because he makes them so expensive they can’t be afforded at re-signing time. They seem to have plenty of good players waiting in the wings to replace his boys. I hate to see some of them go but they won’t be missed very long.

Jack

August 19th, 2011
2:20 pm

Prado needs to learn how to bat in the 2 hole behind speed. I know its hard for him to do, but he needs to take some pitches up there to give Bourn a chance to swipe a bag. Its tough to tell one of the best hitters on the team to take a pitch he likes but Bourn is not running near as much as he was in Houston and its partly Martin’s fault…

Derek Lowe is Horrible

August 19th, 2011
3:42 pm

Somebody please tell me why Derek Lowe is still pitching in the Big leagues. Or pitching in general.

urban redneck

August 19th, 2011
3:45 pm

think all the extra hair is throwing off big red’s mechanics…………

Derek Lowe is Horrible

August 19th, 2011
3:46 pm

Why is everybody hatin on the hair. I think its cool. He has a dandruff commercial in his future. urban redneck

Peter

August 19th, 2011
4:22 pm

Maybe the extra day of rest will benefit Lowe. He hasn’t pitched since Saturday. Fredi said he’s not going with a six man rotation but that is essentially what he has, at least this week.

Saturday vs Cubs: Lowe
Sunday vs Cubs: Beachy
Monday vs Giants: Hudson
Tuesday vs Giants: Delgado
Wednesday vs Giants: Jurrjens
Thursday vs Giants: Minor

Smart Jay

August 19th, 2011
5:01 pm

Braves in 11 – I cautioned against reading too much into good pitching performances against the Giants, I didn’t say Minor sucked.

You picked his one other good performance this season to prove what? Me wrong? Since I didn’t have a point other than the Giants performance should be taken with a grain of salt, I don’t get the post.

But, I think I get your post, and here’s why you’re wrong on Minor (for now). He’s had two starts with game scores over 70. That Toronto one and last night.

His other 7 starts bring his average score to 49. Which makes him not that hot.

I happen to think he’s got a great future, and is a lefty the Braves badly need in their rotation (except lefties are hitting almost .400 against him and he’s not striking them out appreciably more than righties). I hope the kid works out. I think he’s still learning how to pitch, but he’s got great stuff, so he should be ok.

BTW – he’s allowed 12 homers at Gwinnett.

As for why Lowe’ still starting, I have about $15M reasons.

KK

August 19th, 2011
5:25 pm

Bring up KK, set down Low-e

oydave

August 19th, 2011
5:26 pm

I’ll be glad when Moylan is back in the bullpen. I’m really tired of looking at his stupid tattooed arms draped over the dugout rail. Bobby would of never put up with that, C’mon Pete, this is The Braves, the class of the National League. Nobody wants to see that.

Gonzo is great. A slugging shortstop has always been a bonus and a lack of production from that position is not a big deal. A head case like Escobar is a big deal at any position. My favorite Braves shortstop ever? Edgar Rentaria. What a guy!

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