Setting up Bourn’s Braves debut in DC vs. Nats

Bourn joins the Braves lineup tonight

Bourn joins the Braves lineup tonight

(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien this series.)

WASHINGTON – Well as I start typing this I’m actually not quite in DC yet. We were a little late leaving the ATL this morning so figured time to start blogging on the plane. Before we get into Michael Bourn and his debut tonight with the Braves, a little something interesting about this flight into DC.

The pilot just announced that we were carrying two fallen airmen on our flight. And he explained further. That they were two U.S. pilots downed in World War II, found off the island of New Guinea, I believe. There’s an army captain in dress blues sitting right in front of me who is here to escort them to Washington, where they’ll be buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

A little patriotic way to begin the Braves-Nationals series, yes? No fallen comrade left behind.

Fallen war heroes being unloaded from ATL flight

Fallen war heroes being unloaded from ATL flight

OK so where were we? Mr. Bourn. The newest Brave, and a dynamic baserunner and center fielder who will give us an indication here in these coming weeks of what can happen when you take the team with the third-fewest stolen bases in the National League and put the league-leader in stolen bases at the top of the order.

In a phrase: watch him go?

Bourn leads the NL with 39 stolen bases. The rest of the Braves have combined for 42. And 15 of those were from outgoing center fielder Jordan Schafer, leaving the rest of the Braves with 27.

Bourn was in Milwaukee yesterday with the Astros and couldn’t get to Atlanta in time for the day game, so we’ll see his debut tonight against the Nationals.

For those of us fairly-old timers, I think the last time the Braves acquired someone with such proven havoc-wreaking possibility on the basepaths was Kenny Lofton in 1997. The kind of headaches he gave pitchers while with the Indians was reminiscent of what Bourn does.

But before anybody gets upset that I am jinxing this deal – since we all know Lofton never reached his potential with the Braves, pulled his hamstring and had one of the worst years of his career. His stolen bases dropped off from 75 in 1996 to 27 in 1997. Lofton was also one of the few guys I’ve ever been around in the Braves clubhouse that was not pleasant, not a fit and you saw how long he lasted as a result.

On the contrary, by all accounts, Bourn is a high-character guy and both a clubhouse and fan favorite among the Astros. He’s also only 28, in his prime and right in the thick of one his best major league seasons, unlike Lofton, who was 30 when he arrived in Atlanta at the beginning of the 1997 season, best years behind him.

This should be exciting to watch, especially if Fredi Gonzalez puts both him and Jose Constanza in the outfield tonight, which he told folks yesterday he was contemplating.

Lately the big issue has been a lack of clutch hitting – the Braves have 11 or more hits in three of their past five games while also scoring two or fewer runs. But maybe the Braves start to break through if Bourn is on third base. Or if he’s on second when Martin Prado gets his hits.

Bourn wore No. 21 in Houston but that number’s been retired for the Braves by the legendary Warren Spahn, so Bourn will wear No. 24.

So long to Schafer

If not for Jordan Schafer, who gave the Braves’ lineup an injection of speed when he got called up in late May, the Braves would have had no running game at all. His defense in center field has been stellar, and GM Frank Wren agreed, some of the best we’ve seen since Andruw Jones was patrolling out there.

I wasn’t there for the trade yesterday but by all accounts and by a quick text message exchange with Schafer I know he’s sad to go. And for those of us who’ve gotten to know him in recent years, we can say the same. We wish him well in Houston. We will send him along with some kudos for what he’s accomplished in Atlanta.

Schafer has grown up in a lot of ways right in front of our eyes, from the cocky Hummer-driving prospect to the more introspective young guy, humbled by all his ups and downs, who knows better now both how to use his tools and how to handle himself.

We followed him through the highs of his major league debut homer in Philadelphia, and the lows of his HGH suspension and wrist injury. Now he’s a guy who has a better idea of what he should do at the plate to maximize his skills – hit the ball on the ground and use his speed, bunt. He asked Chipper Jones point blank what he needed to do in spring training to be a consistent major leaguer, then he set out to do it.

I think he showed Braves fans a lot in the last week he was here, playing 11 innings in that 19-inning game with pain in his finger that he thought would land him on the DL before the game and eventually did.

He was among the Braves crew that got up early the next morning to go to the children’s hospital for “Christmas in July.” I remember interviewing him at his locker at 4:30 the next afternoon and his phone alarm went off. He’d been planning to nap and couldn’t sleep. Long, crazy week for him. But if he keeps doing what he’s doing, you figure he’ll take those skills and put them to good use in Houston.

And oh by the way, you read in Jeff Schultz’s great column yesterday where Schafer said he had a feeling this was coming? I’m not saying I called that trade but I knew it wasn’t a good sign when he moved into the locker beside Greg Maddux’s old one, just a few weeks ago.

The power of that cursed locker is strong. Schafer and Joe Mather are its latest victims. The only player in memory who has lasted longer than one year in that locker is Kenshin Kawakami, and the lame-duck season he had last year he might as well not have carried over.

Cristhian Martinez has spent some time in that locker this year also, and then he got sent down and is now on the other side of the room. One way I know the clubhouse attendants have worked around is it to find a guy in a one-year contract and put him in it. Don’t mess with fate.

Pitching matchup:

Stop me if you’ve heard this before, but the Braves are taking on Livan Hernandez tonight….(smile). We’re back to Nationals Park since the first series of the season. And the Braves face the Nationals for the second time in a little more than two weeks – since they won two of three and beat Hernandez in the first game coming out of the break.

The Braves jumped out to a 4-1 lead in the first inning that game and finished with six runs (only three earned) in four innings against Hernandez. Actually though, that was the first time in the past 10 starts by Hernandez against the Braves over the past three seasons that he had allowed more than three earned runs.

He’s crafty.

Dan Uggla will try to extend his majors-leading hitting streak to 23 games tonight. He’s hit only 5-for-33 (.152) against Hernandez in his career, but he doubled off him in the first inning on July 15. Freddie Freeman’s hitting streak is at 15 games now.

Jair Jurrjens makes his fourth attempt at win No. 13, talk about unlucky. But the Braves have won each of his past seven starts overall, including the one when he gave up a season-high six runs to the Nats on July 17. They rallied to win 9-8.

Speaking of 9-8, that’s the Braves record since the All-Star break. We’ll see what kind of impact Bourn has on that going forward. Time to pack it up and head over to the ballpark. (Yep, I finished this on the ground).

More from the ballpark.

2,017 comments Add your comment

Vinnny3

August 1st, 2011
3:17 pm

first! also, why is lugo still getting paid to play baseball professionally?

Josh

August 1st, 2011
3:17 pm

kevin

August 1st, 2011
3:19 pm

Jimmy

August 1st, 2011
3:19 pm

Thanks Carroll. Interesting story of the fallen heros.

Who is in that locker right now? Just wondering.

Jimmy

August 1st, 2011
3:20 pm

by Carroll Rogers

oh geeezus

Trey

August 1st, 2011
3:21 pm

Thank you for the great read, Carroll.

JimmyK

August 1st, 2011
3:22 pm

Another Jimmy????
OK, I’ll change mine.

Charles

August 1st, 2011
3:23 pm

Might have appreciated any available info on Chipper’s return within this piece.

BravesQueen

August 1st, 2011
3:24 pm

Thanks for the new blog!! Hope we have a fantastic game tonight with our new acquisition. :D
GO BRAVES!!!!

Trey

August 1st, 2011
3:24 pm

BAS, not sure if you got my latest post to you on the previous blog, but here it is:

BAS, I did not say that. If you disagree with someone, then you disagree with them. However, I personally don’t see that as a reason to dislike someone or find them as an idiot, that is what I am trying to say.

Fargo

August 1st, 2011
3:24 pm

@Phillstein & Arkansas Transplant:
copied from previous blog conversation…

That is very similar to The Rolling stones, who admired Muddy waters. myth has it that muddy waters was painting or doing maintenance at a studio in chicago when the stones did something there.

Jimmy

August 1st, 2011
3:24 pm

I’ll miss DOB. Carroll doesn’t know how to operate Twitter,

oldsquid

August 1st, 2011
3:25 pm

Got a good feeling about this trade. Not to say it’s enough to get us through the playoffs but still good.

Chris

August 1st, 2011
3:25 pm

We can’t have a ceremonial crushing of said locker?

Richmond Braves Fan

August 1st, 2011
3:26 pm

Carroll a question on the whole waiver wire August rules. I understand the revocable waiver but does the order go by league or all of MLB. I also understand the order is inverse to the standings. Example if an NL team put a player on waivers does the order go Astors, Cubs, Padres, Dodgers, etc. thru Phillies and then go to the American League or is the order Astros, Padres, Orioles, Mariners, Dodgers, etc. I was never quite sure.

Snotboogie

August 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

Richmond Braves Fan

It’s same league first and inverse order. Then other league in inverse order.

Hey, DOB

August 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

Kinda like the Kevin Bacon Movie, huh?
That’s pretty cool, being WWII, wow!

VaBravesfan

August 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

The fallen soldier story kind of puts baseball in perspective, doesn’t it? Go Braves, anyway.

Jay Dubu

August 1st, 2011
3:28 pm

Thanks for the new bloggage CR!!!

Lew

August 1st, 2011
3:29 pm

Shaun – Let me get this straight – we Flat Earthers keep traveling west until we hit our UZR, right?

Larry

August 1st, 2011
3:29 pm

Nice priority, Dave, to mention the fallen soldiers at the beginning. Puts this “game” we all discuss, agree and disagree in perspective, doesn’t it?

Classy move…thanks!

Brooklyn Braves Brawler

August 1st, 2011
3:29 pm

Who’s going to get down to make room for Bourne?

JRW

August 1st, 2011
3:30 pm

CR – Do you think Schafer’s upset not only to leave his team mates, but because he’s going to Baseball’s version of Pergatory

JimmyK

August 1st, 2011
3:31 pm

Sorry folks. Carroll wrote this blog. DOB is on his last Harley ride with Jordan and comparing tatoos.

Larry

August 1st, 2011
3:31 pm

Also, I love Wren’s comments about transitioning to a team with speed and defense (and I assume get away from too many free swinging guess hitters(.

I have been begging for this since the late 90’s!

Brooklyn Braves Brawler

August 1st, 2011
3:31 pm

Nate can’t be put on waivers until he gets off the DL. If someone claims him, we may just let him go.

How long do we have in order to get Diory back?

Larry

August 1st, 2011
3:32 pm

Carroll…classy move by YOU!

Remarkable

August 1st, 2011
3:32 pm

Hey Carroll, my only question is where will Michael Bourn’s head be? He is a Houston native and played for his home town team, now he is being asked to move to Atlanta. It would be like asking Jason Heyward to move to San Francisco. I think he’s a great pickup if he takes this as a promotion not a steal.

Nova Scotia Steve

August 1st, 2011
3:32 pm

Awesome. Looking forward to tonight’s game!!!

Nice PIC Carroll

August 1st, 2011
3:32 pm

I was fooled

JRW

August 1st, 2011
3:32 pm

Shaun – They’ve (McCann & Freeman) been the best hitters because of their combination of getting on base and hitting for power.

Freeman has been a better hitter than Ryan Howard this season, too, but guess who has a lot more RBI?

*****************************************************************************************************
Howard 101 Hits / 51 BB (152 times on base), 24-2B / 1-3B / 21-HR / 81-RBI’s

McCann 102 Hits / 37 BB (139 times on base). 15-2B / 0-3B / 18-HR / 55-RBI’s

Freeman 114 Hits / 39 BB ( 153 times on base) 25-2B / 0-3B / 15-HR / 52-RBI’s

Seems to me Howard is just as good getting on base and better at hitting for power. But that’s just my observation of useless stats.

This kid Bourn....

August 1st, 2011
3:33 pm

Better be as quick as Willie Mays Hayes in Major League.
And smarter with a better bat

Shaun

August 1st, 2011
3:34 pm

Bourn: 363 OBP, .353 wOBA.

Schafer .307 OBP, .291 wOBA

If it was about wreaking havoc on the basepaths, Schafer might still be a Brave. Wreaking havoc is a great thing. But he’s going to wreak more havoc because he’s going to be on base more often, costing the Braves outs less often and putting himself into scoring position more often. This is more important than Michael Bourn’s ability to steal bases. Schafer had that ability. It’s the ability to get on base much more often that is the primary reason the Braves should score more runs. Yet nary a mention of the difference between Bourn and Schafer’s on-base abilities.

This kid Bourn....

August 1st, 2011
3:34 pm

What’s his OBP?

The Bream Team

August 1st, 2011
3:35 pm

Any news on the roster move?

flange1

August 1st, 2011
3:35 pm

BAS,

Enjoyed your posts last night and I must say that I am exactly the same way.

I actually don’t feel that I have the right to make a post on a blog that I am not caught up on, so I read every post on every page to catch up.

For you “normal” folks that aren’t so addicted to the blog like BAS and I are, you out to do yourself a favor and go back and read a blog from start to finish INCLUDING the in game crapola.

It really makes you want to come on and say “hey XYDFG, you were wrong at 5:57, 6:05, 6:12, 6:28, etc, Braves don’t suck, they won the game.

But BAS, I feel your pain.

and Tom O’ Hawk, I am beginning to agree with you about the number of blog regulars that post with multiple handles. I can’t say I understand why someone would want to take the time to build multiple characters.

It was great when JJS had his slew of characters on the blog, all of those were mostly comedy and everyone knew it was JJS.

But these folks who make friends with others as one person and b*tch about them in another character is just strange to me…..

Snarky

August 1st, 2011
3:35 pm

Jimmy

by Carroll Rogers

oh geeezus

Dude, what’s that supposed to mean?

This kid Bourn....

August 1st, 2011
3:36 pm

Wow, thanks Shaun…read my mind as I was posting last question.

wes

August 1st, 2011
3:37 pm

can nate/alex/ and chipper all share that locker. He is done because he can’t stay healthy. He talks about doing things for the good of the club so leave so we cann use that 13 mill for a very good piece.

This kid Bourn....

August 1st, 2011
3:37 pm

Thanks Shaun..read my mind before I could post question>

panamajack

August 1st, 2011
3:37 pm

Carroll — Any roster move yet to make room for Bourn?

Memphis

August 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

Best guess on lineup (for tonight)
CF-Bourn
3B-Prado
1B-Freeman
2B-Uggla
LF-Hinske
C-Ross
SS-Gonzalez
P-JJ

or
CF-Bourn
LF-Costanza
1B-Freeman
2B-Uggla
3B-Prado
C-Ross
SS-Gonzo
P-JJ

SB75

August 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

Any word on the line-up?

panamajack

August 1st, 2011
3:39 pm

Just got my fingers crossed Proctor is outahere

J HEY

August 1st, 2011
3:39 pm

Will someone please feed Heyward, guy looks like he is skin and bones..Can tell he is stressing about his crappy season.

SB75

August 1st, 2011
3:39 pm

Memphis…. You posted right before I did, but you are 1 short.

BravesFanInPA

August 1st, 2011
3:39 pm

Shaun I agree with you stated above. I think the Braves feel Schafer will be Bournesque in the future but they need someone now not wanting to wait next year. I am in the minority but I liked Schafer and what he was bringing to the team when he did get on base. I think if you look at the comments by the players they all feel the same way.

Lew

August 1st, 2011
3:40 pm

Memphis – What? No right fielder in your proposed lineup?

J HEY

August 1st, 2011
3:40 pm

Memphis, they normally play with 8 fielders… it isnt wise to not play a RF…

Next year..

August 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

Time for new shortstop, 3rd baseman (if Prado stays in OF, which I doubt), OF (regardless if Prado stays in OF), addt’l middle relief, more speed, better bats…..IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR?

T for Texan, Michael Bourn

August 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

Carroll, thanks for the work. The clubhouse guys are gonna keep our new lead off man out of the cursed locker, aren’t they? Probably gotta have Proctor/Vavaro in that one, after the other gets released/sent down.

Shaun

August 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

Seems to me Howard is just as good getting on base and better at hitting for power. But that’s just my observation of useless stats.

Take a look at Howard’s home/road splits. But if you don’t understand that RBI are useless when looking at individual hitters, you probably don’t care about park effects.

Consider that McCann’s a catcher and Howard’s a firstbaseman. You probably don’t care about positional scarcity, either.

And even if we ignore park effects, positional scarcity, etc. Howard has nearly 30 more RBI than Freeman or McCann. Is he truly that much more productive? Freeman and Howard have the same number of times on base, same number of doubles and Howard has only 6 more homers, playing his home games in a hitter’s park, yet Howard has nearly 30 more RBI. If that doesn’t show you the meaninglessness of the RBI stat, what can?

Well, maybe the fact that Bautista is clearly the most productive hitter in baseball and isn’t all that close to leading baseball in RBI. Still waiting on an explanation for that, from all the fans of the RBI stat.

panamajack

August 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

Memphis, you going to put RF?

JimmyK

August 1st, 2011
3:42 pm

I suppose I need to point out that someone posted as “Jimmy” on this blog, so I changed mine to the above. I haven’t blogged since Saturday evening, so I don’t know what “Jimmy” has posted.

I’ve been Jimmy on here since last September. Most of the regulars know me. Ample Sample and the like.

Fish Bisch

August 1st, 2011
3:43 pm

Levi Hernandez owns us :(

How's George working out?

August 1st, 2011
3:44 pm

Did Co(n)stanza bring Kramer, Newman and Elaine with him.
Heard George was a free agent after Steinbrenner keeled over.

Trey

August 1st, 2011
3:45 pm

flange1, I actually read a lot of the posts. Much of the stuff I don’t agree with I will typically ignore. I will comment on some of the stuff, but I try not.

I just saw a comment by BAS and I thought I would say something about it to him. I was more or less trying to make a point. Was it a good or bad point? That’s for him and other readers to decide. Did it make sense? Again, for the readers to decide.

BravesFanInPA

August 1st, 2011
3:45 pm

With Hernandez throwing tonight I say put the two speed guys at top of order and try to utilize what they have against that slow throwing pitcher. Give Chipper one more day to get healthy.

Shaun

August 1st, 2011
3:45 pm

BravesFanInPA, my point was not that I like Schafer. My point was that on-base ability is a much more vital thing to point out, with regard to Bourn or Bourn versus Schafer, than base-stealing, wreaking havoc on the basepaths, etc. But it was predictable that people would focus on what Bourn does on the basepaths over how often Bourn gets on base and doesn’t cost his team outs. You could see it in the way some people overrated Schafer because of his speed, totally ignoring that he couldn’t get on base at a high enough rate. It will continue.

Who names their kid after a pair of jeans?

August 1st, 2011
3:46 pm

Shaun

August 1st, 2011
3:46 pm

BravesFanInPA, regarding Schafer, I don’t dislike him as much as some. I think he’s exactly the type player a team like the Astros should take a chance on. He has the tools to be a decent major leaguer but he has a ways to go.

wjones

August 1st, 2011
3:46 pm

“Memphis

August 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

Best guess on lineup (for tonight)
CF-Bourn
3B-Prado
1B-Freeman
2B-Uggla
LF-Hinske
C-Ross
SS-Gonzalez
P-JJ

or
CF-Bourn
LF-Costanza
1B-Freeman
2B-Uggla
3B-Prado
C-Ross
SS-Gonzo
P-JJ”

Dude, I know that Bourn and Costanza can cover a lot of ground between them, but I’d still use a RF. And if Hinske plays LF, I’d DEFINITELY use one!

Sophee

August 1st, 2011
3:46 pm

Fish – turn that frown upside down, we have the new new new new guy now.

JimmyK

August 1st, 2011
3:47 pm

There’s Fish! At least no Eric Gregg to help him.

BravesFanInPA

August 1st, 2011
3:48 pm

Shaun, I understood your point and I believe that is why the Braves made the move. They saw what Schafer added WHEN he got on base so they went and got the guy that is doing it best right now(exception being Reyes)

Ian Curtis

August 1st, 2011
3:48 pm

I might have been too young to remember any headaches Lofton caused for the Braves, but I do remember him being pretty good while with us. He hit .333 with an .837 OPS. Not sure how that constitutes worst year of his career?

Bay Area Steve

August 1st, 2011
3:48 pm

flange,

This thing has just grown so large that we can’t reasonably expect people to read each other anymore. It only seems fair to me: if you want others to read your stuff, don’t you owe it them to read theirs?

But, ain’t gonna happen. And, I need to get over it. As Trey just pointed out, I’ve no right to say what others post, or what others read. ‘Tis a shame…

BraveinPA

August 1st, 2011
3:48 pm

FYI- Bourn was in the Philly org and traded to Houston in the Brad Lidge deal

Can't steal second from batters box!

August 1st, 2011
3:48 pm

Willie Mays Hayes Bourn better get on

Phillistein

August 1st, 2011
3:49 pm

Arkansas Transplant

August 1st, 2011
3:15 pm
Phillistein, don’t know about that, Kristofferson was a pretty educated guy.

*********************************************************************************************************

OK…………this from Wilipedia sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Yeah – he graduated summ cum laude, (Phi betta kappa) from Pamona College, Rhodes Scholar, Oxford – so………..yeah, I knew he was smart. Joined the army, helicopter pilot.

But he decided to become a songwriter and his family disowned him

Wiki: After being honorably discharged from the Army in 1965, Kristofferson moved to Nashville. He worked at a variety of odd jobs while struggling for success in music, burdened with medical expenses resulting from his son’s defective esophagus. He and his wife soon divorced.

He got a job sweeping floors at Columbia Studios in Nashville. There he met Johnny Cash, who initially accepted some of Kristofferson’s songs but chose not to use them. During Kristofferson’s janitorial stint for Columbia, Bob Dylan recorded his landmark 1966 album Blonde on Blonde at the studio. Though he had the opportunity to watch some of Dylan’s recording sessions, Kristofferson never met Dylan out of fear that he would be fired for approaching him

T for Texan, Michael Bourn

August 1st, 2011
3:49 pm

Soph–are the new guys, Young, Schafer, Constanza, and Bourn in that order?

Lew

August 1st, 2011
3:49 pm

wes- You have maybe noticed that since Chipper’s been out of the lineup we’ve basically played .500 ball and when he was playing with an injured knee we were winning at a 20 games over .500 clip? Why do you think that is?

ncscoots

August 1st, 2011
3:49 pm

Fish – turn that frown upside down, we have the new new new new guy now.

Soph, hush with that, now. I’ve gotten used to having an “owns us” post from Fish every day. Makes me feel that all is right with the world. Don’t take that away from me. :-)

biff pocaroba

August 1st, 2011
3:51 pm

Heyward needs to get with Chippers dad and learn how to hit back side, until he starts taking the outside pitch to left he will contniue to kill us.

jj

August 1st, 2011
3:51 pm

Kinda would like to know more details on the airmen. My dad was a SeaBee (Construction Battalion, USN) and helped build some of the airstrips on New Guinea. I also think it was extremely classy for the pilot to mention that to all on board.

sportsone

August 1st, 2011
3:51 pm

Is anyone else as tired of Alex Gonzalez as I am? Other than him being a good defensive player, I have absolutely nothing good to say about him! He has the worst attitude of anyone who I have ever seen on the Braves. His facial expressions after nearly at bat make me want to slap him. He is a terrible offensive player and he loafs running the bases. When he hits a ground ball with a runner on base and less than two out, there is no chance that he will avoid the double play because is is lazy and will not hustle. If he is called out on a third strike, he turns around and looks at the umpire like he is being done wrong every single time. What a TERRIBLE HITTER! He is SELFISH! On a 2-0 count, he will strike at pitches 4 inches outside rather than putting himself in position to take a walk. He does that because he does not want to have to run the bases. He is the LAZIEST, MOST SELFISH PLAYER that I have ever seen in an Atlanta Braves uniform. Get rid of this JERK!

smits

August 1st, 2011
3:51 pm

Can you you enlighten us on whom the Astros cherished most of all in the trade?
1- Schafer, 2-Oberholtzer, 3-Clemons, 4- Abreu … (My Guess)

The last few weeks as trade possibilties rose and fell, I had a slight fear that Schafer was going to be traded. I like aquring Bourn, but damn, hate to loose Schafer. Like Fredi said earlier this year, he is such a dynamic player that regardless of his stats you feel like he’s doing more…hes out there changing the game in your favor.. I wont be surprised if he makes a few allstar games before his time is up…

Oberholtzer, Clemons and Constanza wouldnt work out? would have been nice to have Schafer in CF and Bourn in LF, for the next 5+ years…

Also saw the Pirates landed Ludwick for a player to be named later or cash considerations! What the heck does this mean? The pirates landed a RH bat that has been a clutch late season bat in recent memory for … say it again? Were the Braves not in on this?… Think Ludwick would have been a nice aquisition as well ecspecially if its for .. say it again?

Bushinyou

August 1st, 2011
3:51 pm

They better not put Bourn in that locker!

ncscoots

August 1st, 2011
3:52 pm

Heyward needs to get with Chippers dad and learn how to hit back side, until he starts taking the outside pitch to left he will contniue to kill us.

Might want to check Heyward’s spray chart there, biff.

Dwayne

August 1st, 2011
3:52 pm

DOB DOB DOB

Where does this leave Nate the Great in the future plans with the Braves. It looks like his days are numbered. No more watching that upper cut swing and weak arm in center field. No more watching him go on the D L with these injuries that pop up when he starts going bad. D O B can the Braves buy him out.

Well at least all the civil right idiots can't complain

August 1st, 2011
3:52 pm

Wonder why they don’t add all the black latins that play in the majors as part of their quota.

Bushinyou

August 1st, 2011
3:53 pm

In fact, why don’t they just go ahead and condemn that locker for good with the yellow police tape or something?

biff pocaroba

August 1st, 2011
3:53 pm

I have read often about Gonzalez and Mclouth’s struggles…. they all have better averages than Heyward.
Uggla is still lowest but has shown signs of major improvement, Heyward has sucked all year

raleighbravefan

August 1st, 2011
3:53 pm

Shaun – Most of us are not in love with stats like RBI and wins, although we may think that they still have SOME significance. The truth is that most of us are just NOT fans of smug, self-righteous jerks with superiority complexes.

Nick Nunziata

August 1st, 2011
3:54 pm

We don’t need Costanza in there do we? I’d rather see Hinske get a few ABs.
Ideal…

1. MB
2. MP
3. CJ
4. DU
5. FF
6. JH
7. EH
8. AG
9. JJ

Actually I’d swap Alex Gonzalez and Jurjjens, the guy’s such a negative person at the plate. Seems to care ZERO about the team and be willing to bunt, take a walk, or move runners over.

SB75

August 1st, 2011
3:54 pm

Doesn’t Jason hit L. Hernandez well?

Lew

August 1st, 2011
3:54 pm

sportsone – Yeah, I’d like to see that. Walk up to Alex and slap him after he K’s some time. Should be relatively entertaining.

raleighbravefan

August 1st, 2011
3:54 pm

I meant to add “condescending”

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August 1st, 2011
3:54 pm

Yeah, Braves added another brother to make naacp happy.

JimmyK

August 1st, 2011
3:54 pm

A little tough stealing of Livan the last couple of years.
2010 – 69% thrown out.
2011 – 47% thrown out.

Trey

August 1st, 2011
3:55 pm

BAS, come on, man. You know I never said you have no right to say what others post, or what others read. All I was trying to get out is that you shouldn’t just assume that other people are idiots just because you may not agree with some of what they say. Hell, you said that you dislike me because you think I am more challenged than Ward, but I’m obviously not.

Bay Area Steve, just loosen up a little bit and not let what everyone says get to you.

Shaun

August 1st, 2011
3:56 pm

Willie Mays Hayes Bourn better get on

He’ll get on more often than Schafer. That’s what the deal was about, from an offensive standpoint. If it was about speed, the Braves would still have Schafer. It’s about on-base and avoiding outs from the guy who comes up most often.

Phillistein

August 1st, 2011
3:56 pm

Shaun

August 1st, 2011
3:41 pm
Seems to me Howard is just as good getting on base and better at hitting for power. But that’s just my observation of useless stats.

Take a look at Howard’s home/road splits. But if you don’t understand that RBI are useless when looking at individual hitters, you probably don’t care about park effects.

Consider that McCann’s a catcher and Howard’s a firstbaseman. You probably don’t care about positional scarcity, either.

And even if we ignore park effects, positional scarcity, etc. Howard has nearly 30 more RBI than Freeman or McCann. Is he truly that much more productive? Freeman and Howard have the same number of times on base, same number of doubles and Howard has only 6 more homers, playing his home games in a hitter’s park, yet Howard has nearly 30 more RBI. If that doesn’t show you the meaninglessness of the RBI stat, what can?

Well, maybe the fact that Bautista is clearly the most productive hitter in baseball and isn’t all that close to leading baseball in RBI. Still waiting on an explanation for that, from all the fans of the RBI stat.

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Again – I’m not the biggest phan of sabremetrics so………………….

But baseball is still a game of – Whichever team scores the most runs in a game wins.

And you have someone who is responsible for batting in A LOT of runs.

Therefore………….an important stat – simplistically speaking.

Runs Batted In and Runs scored – the biggies for me.

And if I remember correctly, at least last year – most of Howard’s homers either tied or put the Phillies ahead.

So, inless you can prove that your RBI’s and runs scored when your team was up or down by 15 runs…………still seems important to me.

SOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo yopu can have the guy with 5 WAR and I’ll take the guy with 160 RBI’s.

Just sayin

biff pocaroba

August 1st, 2011
3:57 pm

ncscoots
I really like Heyward but he constinues to struggle from the same mistakes over and over.
He did put one the other day on Sunday. But I think he would be well served to be sent done and wake him up for a week

Most of his spray I notice is weak ground balls to the right side on outside pitches

Phillistein

August 1st, 2011
3:57 pm

sorry for the typos

Sophee

August 1st, 2011
3:57 pm

T – I was telling someone on here yesterday that I lost track of who the second newbie was but it started with A-Gonzo last year, then I draw a big blank on #2, then Constanza and of course the newest, Mr. Bourn.

AtlYnkHtr

August 1st, 2011
3:57 pm

JimmyK, probably has as much to do, if not more, with the catchers.

ncscoots

August 1st, 2011
3:57 pm

Heyward has sucked all year

Ahh, but what you said was that he wasn’t going oppo. Whereas his hit chart indicates otherwise.

Now, if all you really wanted to say was “Heyward sucks”, then, probably should have just gone with that. Rather than shredding the last scrap of credibility before doing so. Just kinda takes the sting out of the thing. :-)

Coach (2011 Fredi G. a go!)

August 1st, 2011
3:57 pm

Git’er done O’Brien. Kudo’s for the two WW II heroes, the greatest generation among whom my grandfather served during his years in the Navy.

Bourne’s defense, speed and OBP is a welcome addition and long overdue.

ain't lookin good

August 1st, 2011
3:58 pm

What happened to the J. Hey kid?

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