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Joseph
August 1st, 2011
1:21 am
Nick I did not insult you yet you try to insult me with that? these numbers a re better than wins???????? No numbers are better than wins. Sir if you want to debate the logic of sabermetrics we can but to insult my intelligence as you tried to do……..try doing so without insults sir. I stated at least 5 times tonight that if that is what you look at then cool……..I just do not………but to insult like you did is a defensive mentality.
NickB
August 1st, 2011
1:46 am
I was talking about wins for pitchers… not team wins. I didn’t insult you. If you took it that way…well, nothing I can do about that. It’s frustrating to have someone see evidence and then deny it like it’s just so much malarky when it clearly isnt!
Ron H.
August 1st, 2011
1:53 am
Great trade, and shrewd business sense displayed by FW.
At this point, it’s going to take one hot streak to catch the philthies. I’m not conceding the division, but it’s not as important to me anymore. Although nothing is guaranteed, the braves are almost a lock for the post season. Almost.
Once we get our regulars back, it should be a fun race to the end. I believe the NLCS will be between the Braves and Philths.
Joshua
August 1st, 2011
4:47 am
Dave O’Brien: “Frank, did you just bend the Astros over a table and **** them in the ***”?
Frank: “With a rusty crowbar.”
Jeff R
August 1st, 2011
7:07 am
The Bourn acquisition served both teams needs. The Braves get the lead-off hitter they haven’t had since Furcal. The Astros get some good pitching talent to start restocking their farm system.
Wren was shrewd to wait nearer the deadline to deal as well. The Astros price came down, based on earlier reports. Wren kept the Braves’ top prospects. Plain smart longer term thinking.
Trade Deadline Winners & Losers | Sports News. By Bums Like You.
August 1st, 2011
7:52 am
[...] are highly touted, but they’re years away from making an impact in the majors. In the Bourn deal, he acquired Jordan Schafer, a center fielder who can’t hit, and prospects the Mets [...]
bill
August 1st, 2011
8:07 am
hooray its great to be aBraves fan. Move Uggla to third in the order then McCann Freeman and then Chipper
my order but who cares we have the bats and Pastornicky will be there next season.
Bourn
Prado
Uggla
McCann
Freeman
Jones
Heyward
Gonzo
Pitcher
bill
August 1st, 2011
8:16 am
I heard an interview on Boys in the Hall where Miller Huggins of the Yankees asked a player what his batting average was and he said”I don’t know. Neither did Huggins but he knew the player inside and out and knew he hit when the chips were down and he played every day. Sort of 1930 METRICS.
William O
August 1st, 2011
9:09 am
I get a kick out of you chipper bashers out there all the man does is produce when it counts, with runners in scoring position and with bourne here there will be mor of those. he still fields his position and plays at a high level. i dont know what game you are looking at. lets get ready to ride. and by the way. , third best switch hitter of all time life time 310 batting average and a 380 opb
Flo-Rio-Duh
August 1st, 2011
10:02 am
Expect the Braves to have a new short stop next season. They have a super prospect in the minors that is batting .300+ and plays gold glove level defense…. and he can still bases.
Doug
August 1st, 2011
11:22 am
I know lots of posters are younger fans but Chipper Jones is probably number three as far as all time Brave Bats go, trailing only Aaron and Mathews. I suspect Jones is close to what Eddie did ( my all time Hero #41, R.I.P. )for the Braves.
Chipper has earned the right to determine if and when he hangs them up and then I hope he stays with the Braves in some capacity. I’d take 100 Chippers anyday, he has never sluffed off on the team or us fans.
The Swami
August 1st, 2011
11:31 am
Wren : “Yeah, I think so. And also, who are you going to displace on our team? Martin Prado, and we get Chipper back — and hopefully that will very soon — and we get McCann back very soon, all of a sudden you’ve got Jason Heyward, who we think is making strides and starting to feel comfortable again, and then Martin Prado in left, so who does it really displace? And that was important to us, that we add to our team and not move pieces around too much.”
I’ll answer that for you Mr. Wren. It (getting someone like Pence or Quentin) can displace Chipper (via Prado) who is NEVER healthy or Heyward who shouldn’t even be a MLB player right now hitting .210.
lee
August 1st, 2011
12:10 pm
now braves get Wil Nieves from Brewers for cash!!
TeheranTime
August 1st, 2011
12:25 pm
Chipper has GOT to drop in the batting order. Freddie Freeman is much more dangerous than Chipper. I hiope Wren makes a move for an outffielder before the start of next season and we’re set for the next five years.
don
August 1st, 2011
12:35 pm
Good thing Wren didn’t “go to the mat” to get Pence. He would have run the risk of another Teixeira trade. But, then, maybe he remembers that fiasco and that is why he avoided the mat. I would like to think he is finally learning how to avoid getting crushed by the mat.
truth
August 1st, 2011
12:40 pm
how is CF the glarring weakness? How about right field or SS? Are you having more trouble getting on base or driving in runs? A BS excuse for not getting a RBI guy before the trade deadline. We have Bourn last night in Contanza and how did that fair for us. You cant bunt guys over (Prado) and you cant hit sac flys (Gonzo the not great, heak not even good). Give me a break we need some guys who are not selfish at the plate and learn how to bunt and dont try and hit homeruns with 0 outs and 1st and 3rd when we are behind by 2 runs. Remember the days when your number 2 batter could bunt and RBI guys could dirve in runs…
Marc Schneider
August 1st, 2011
12:41 pm
“Jason Heyward was a good prospect.”
He was also nearly Rookie of the Year last year and had one of the best years for his age in history. Leave it to AJC commenters to throw a guy under the bus during a bad year.
varoadrunner
August 1st, 2011
12:57 pm
Yup – it’s time for Chipper to hang em up or take a job with an American league team and DH. It truly opens doors for the Braves. His $18M comes off the payroll. Since we have Prado who has stepped in at third – we could send McLouth to ANYWHERE just to get him out of town. I’m actually sorry to see Shafer gone, but since he seems to be another Chipper when it comes to injuries (not comparing their hitting) it was probably a great strategy by Wren. Still wish we had a RH bat. I could easily sit Heyward more unless he is truly seeing the ball better now. His lack of hussle still perplexes me. Why Fredi allows it is a huge question mark.
varoadrunner
August 1st, 2011
12:59 pm
@Don
Clearly Wren got this one right. Now where the H3LL is our RH BAT?
Peter
August 1st, 2011
1:20 pm
Assuming Pastornicky is ready next year, and if he keeps up his current pace at AAA he should be, next years team has the potential to be even better. I think Chipper will more than likely hang it up after this season, because next year he will be 40, and I just don’t see him being very productive. All Wren will have to do is find a RH hitting LF. I would propose using Derek Lowe as trade bait in the offseason for such a bat.
2012 potential lineup
Bourn CF
Prado 3B
McCann C
Uggla 2B
Freeman 1B
RH Hitter LF
Heyward RF
Pastornicky SS
Doug
August 1st, 2011
1:22 pm
What has happened to Hanson since his failed big push for the All Star spot? While he had no support yesterday (first eight batters had at least one hit, four had multiple hits and only one run scored – how does that happen?) his brain-dead pitch selection/execution was breathtaking. I can’t count the number of 0-2 counts he turned into walks or hits. Also, his ridiculous delivery from the stretch turns one base into two way too often. I’ll bet he has to check to see if his jock is still there after every inning! Hitters have to make adjustments and so do pitchers. If he doesn’t, his career may have peaked earlier this month.
Bob Davis
August 1st, 2011
1:25 pm
So, where are all the GM Frank Wren haters now? For the past few years we’ve had one negative post after the other–calling Wren an idiot (if not worse). Where are you now, Wren haters? You’ve gone strangely silent, haven’t you??
My Thoughts
August 1st, 2011
1:39 pm
Justin Verlander’s throw to first on the bunt in the 8th inning was a deliberate “error” to save his no-hitter. The double play call in KC was absurd Umpires now have to be held accountable for their actions just like players,coaches, and managers. I read where after 2 days an official scorer reversed and error call in a minor league game to a hit thus causing a no-hitter to be lost. Why can this happen in minors not major league Again umpires NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. How many times have you seen an umpire bait a player ??
Wrens Nephew
August 1st, 2011
2:18 pm
Do you think the Braves will test the market by putting D. Lowe on waivers to see if anybody might be interested in taking on his monster salary?
Noone, Alot, Loosers, Than, Then & To Much
August 1st, 2011
2:19 pm
Hypothetical question (Poll) :
If you had two one-way bus tickets to anywhere, and had to use them, which members on the Braves’ roster would you give them to?
Wrens Nephew
August 1st, 2011
2:20 pm
Nate and Gonzo
Noone, Alot, Loosers, Than, Then & To Much
August 1st, 2011
2:22 pm
@ Wrens Nephew
I kinda doubt it.
Wrens Nephew
August 1st, 2011
2:25 pm
probably no one desperate enough huh, who knows though maybe he will earn his salary again like he did at the end of last season!
Noone, Alot, Loosers, Than, Then & To Much
August 1st, 2011
2:30 pm
@ Wrens Nephew
I think the powers that be expect him to finish as he did last year.
Alex Gonzalez is A Waste
August 1st, 2011
8:20 pm
The Braves will not make it to the NCLS in 2011. They have always lacked good situational hitters (not named McCann,Jones or Parado).
People- please don’t get your hopes up and think this team will go far in Oct. They have Bobby Cox walking around the Braves offices and a coaching staff that, still ,does not know how to get the most out of its players.
If this team was in Philly or NY they would be booed all the time. And did I mentioned that Alex Gonzalez is the weak link. That should’ve gotten a power right-hand hitter. Fran Wren will be on the hot seat in 2012 when the Braves are sold to someone who will put in the effort and money for a winner.
Its really too bad for the fans as it seems that every Atlanta team (Hawks,Falcons, Braves) fail on the national stage, except 1995 Braves, when it counts.
dawgfan38
August 1st, 2011
10:05 pm
I couldn’t agree with you more Alex Gonzales is a waste. If we do make the playoffs we will be out first round just like usual. Heyward is in a big time slump and it doesn’t look like he is going to come out of it. Gonzales is absolutely horrible!!! Our pitching is fallen off big time since the all start break, it looks like hitters have figured Jurrjens out. He cannot throw a fast fast ball and they just wait for something up in the zone and pounce on it. It’s another one and done in the playoffs and I am sick of it!!!!
BS
August 2nd, 2011
12:28 pm
Sorry, but Alex Gonzalez is not the weak link. He is 11 for 40 in the last 10 games. The weak link is in RF.
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