10:03 am July 31, 2011, by Chris Vivlamore
July 31st, 201111:19 am
2 hour flight from Milwaukee. Hopefully he makes it in time for today’s game.
Don from Oregon
July 31st, 201111:20 am
Happy Birthday to me!! Welcome Michael. Let’s speed past the Phils all the way to the World Series.
1. BOURN CF
2. PRADO LF
3. MCCANN CATCHER
4. UGGLA 2B
5. CHIPPER 3B
6. FREEMAN 1B
7. HEYWARD RF
8. GONZALEZ SS
Brave New World
tdc July 31st, 2011 11:10 am Jordan Schafer gone. Now all the braves have to do is get rid of Chipper and Nate McClouth to free up 19.5 million in cap space.
tdc: McLouth seems like a great guy who tries really hard, but he has been pretty much a complete bust for The Braves, so total agreement with you on him. With all due respect to Chipper and his certain Hall of Fame career, I really would like to see him retire after 2011. He can still hit when healthy, but 1) he is not healthy very often, mostly beacause he still plays the game hard at 39; and 2) his best these days is better than many, but a shadow of what he used to be capable of. I’d rather see Chipper retire and leave with the dignity he deserves than try to hang on in 2012. Plus, we have an all star ready to plug into 3rd (Prado), and with almost $20 million available we could get a darn good left fielder. Also, as bad as McLouth has been, he is a distant second to Kawakami and the $7 million/year he has tied up.
Your right Dude Espn is lame and irrelevant.I’m sure if it involved the Yankees or Red Sox Karl Ravich would have put that squirrel on his head and burst in to the studio with the news.
July 31st, 201111:21 am
I see that history really repeats itself. Just as with Drew, Texeira, McLouth, etc., the posters are filling their pants.
We’ll see if this works out any better.
While far too many posters take their final vile shots at Schafer, I am happy that he will get a fresh start. He needed to escape Atlanta. Maybe it will allow him to succeed. I hope so. Escaping Atlanta has helped others.
Bourn has a chance to succeed because he has speed- something the Braves have sorely lacked for years. Still, he certainly doesn’t turn a wild card into a division winner.
July 31st, 201111:22 am
Good look Schafer, continue to play hard.
I take back all the negative comments about Frank Wren. Good Job!
If you are actually reading the blog most people on here are sad to see schafer go and have nothing but nice things to say about him
July 31st, 201111:24 am
For how long the braves. Can be patience. With Jason. Heyward?
Remember. What happen to Jeff francouer he was untouchable at that. Time also.
Is hard to carry a death bat at the end Of the season. Uggla’s bat was death on the beginning so didn’t affect Braves run. but on the end of the regular. Season will affect our chances of cashing. Up toPhiladelphia .
Excellent trade. Bourn is a true leadoff hitter with a decent batting average. I believe he will make things happen on the base paths that the Braves have lacked for a long, long time. Great Move by Wren !!
“They basically had the Braves over a barrel and didn’t take advantage. Bourn, for the price, is a fantastic pickup.”–Mountain Braves Fan
Not exactly. I don’t think the ‘Stros had an advantage. Both teams had the ability to walk away, Houston could have accepted offers from other teams and Atlanta could have been shopping elsewhere. It’s really about what works out for both teams. I think Houston did pretty well. They really needed more prospects who could be major league ready this year and next and the Braves gave them what they needed.
Astros fans need to quit whining. Houston has always been a good franchise and they just need to some time to overcome their current deficiencies. We Braves fans have endured some lean years too in the late 80’s and now in the 2000’s. They will come back.
What is this with sorry to see Schafer go? He is 25 so not terribly young and hits 220? I would say good bye in a heart beat. He has been killing you all season
July 31st, 201111:25 am
Yesterday you people were saying that Wren should be fired, today he is your god, Braves Fans are seriously bipolar. And to the guy who called Bourne the best leadoff hitter in baseball, I think you forgot about that Reyes, who is way better then Bourne. I don’t see Bourne putting the Braves closer to the Giants or Phillies….Braves needed to go bigger to impact this division and they failed.
July 31st, 201111:26 am
Uh oh… Just got word that Infante was traded to the Cardinals!!! DARN IT!!
This deal makes me wonder when the braves secretly replaced GM FW with an actual GM. Not going to look a gift horse (aka Ed Wade) in the mouth though. It was almost as though Houston simply gave up at the deadline approached.
My one lingering memory of JS will be him gutting it out in the marathon game despite what had to be a painful injury. I wish him well going forward (so long as he keeps his serious mistake of the past behind him).
Bourn as a Brave = severe loss of euphoria in Philadelphia over Pence trade.
Philly fans: Please do not get me wrong here. Pence is a terrific player that makes an already formidable Phillies team even better. But, as far as improvement to a team goes, Bourn does more to make the Braves better than Pence does to make the Phillies better. It’s going to be a great rest of 2011.
Scratch that! I meant Furcal!
July 31st, 201111:27 am
Is it possible that Heath Bell doesn’t get traded? That would be crazy if he doesn’t move.
Not a fan of the lazy Heyward
July 31st, 201111:28 am
Agree with Don. Schafer did something Heyward never would, he hustled. That is probably why he got hurt so much. I see Heyward growing fat and wasting space. The guy has no work ethic about him, another Frenchy. Just expects to walk up there and “work his magic”. Best to you Jordan.
We dump KK contract this year, dump Derick Blowe’s contract and sign Bourn up for five years!
July 31st, 201111:29 am
Bourn signed through 2012
Brave New World…”Philly fans: Please do not get me wrong here. Pence is a terrific player that makes an already formidable Phillies team even better. But, as far as improvement to a team goes, Bourn does more to make the Braves better than Pence does to make the Phillies better. It’s going to be a great rest of 2011.”
I wouldn’t say that at all. We were way to Left handed. Pence really does balance our lineup out. Bourn adds much needed production to the top of your line up. Both moves were the right fit for out teams.
Hey Braves Fans, no more Wild Card talk, we are going to beat the Phillies for the Division Championship.
Good pick up considering the circumstances. Probably will have to shop for a corner outfielder after this season.
Oh kid, about that number you wore in Houston. There was this left handed pitcher back in the 50’s and 60’s…….
I have to admit Bourn is an improvement, and FW has proven the theory that a bkind pig can find an acorn.
Now we still need the power bat that can also teach Heyward how to hit and play right field…..get Vlad Guerrero from Baltimore. He has power, plays right field, and has playoff/WS experience. He may be the experienced leader that JHEY needs in his quest for stardom.
Baltimore alsso has a RP that may be available….(Kevin Gregg). 6′6″ 230 lbs, and just got fined for fighting “BIG POPPY” in Boston (Size does not intimidate him), also in Baltimore is a SS (JJ Hardy) that hits with power. Who knows…..they may all be available cheap!!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 201111:30 am
Actually I think Pence makes the Phillies so much better then Bourne does for the Braves. It means that Howard and Utley see more fastballs to hit, as was the case in lastnights game. Howard 4-4 with a walk.
The Dude Abides
YOU SCARED THE HEII OUTTA ME
July 31st, 201111:31 am
Brave New World glad to see we are on the same page.
Ralph… You are 5 games out and with our staff you know that is going to tough to make up. Plus possible your best player is out for 2 weeks. The phials are finally healthy. You are Wild Card Contenders.
July 31st, 201111:32 am
Katherine, read the blogs over the last year or so. Schafer has been vilified constantly. A few less than heartfelt statements after he is gone don’t balance the scale. It is like a funeral. Although you had no use for the deceased, you likely have something positive to say about him after he is gone. That is just one of many chicken sides of human nature. A few cloaked “good lucks” don’t clean the slate. Ask Francoeur.
PhillieFan: Good point. One thing we can both agree on, The Braves and Phils have just improved the two best teams in the NL.
July 31st, 201111:33 am
Brave New World
I agree. I think we should be talked about like the Yankees Red Sox this year. Although with ESPN we know that won’t happen
July 31st, 201111:35 am
Okay all you Heyward haters…please enlighten me as to what Heyward has ever done to be labeled lazy and selfish? Go on the DL a few times in his first two years. Play hurt? Prado and Chipper are DL’d on a monthly basis but they aren’t lazy.
Just give me one tangible account of him not running out a ground out or mouthing off to the media dissing his teammates or self-promoting. What has he done to warrant all of what I believe are grossly unfair character assassinations? Please give me something. You’d think he was TO or Hanley Ramirez the way people rip him around here.
I tried to post this earlier but it misfired so apologies if this post shows up twice…
July 31st, 201111:36 am
Schafer is in the transition, maybe upwards maybe not, but a .230 hitter leading off??? Now they have a player who will get on base, steals bases, and puts pressure on the other team’s defense. Now if the remaining folks on the DL return and get back to playing normally, well maybe Philly won’t feel so superior to the Braves when they play them.
WHOA SON. WHAT A MOVE.
I GOT TO SAY THAT I AM PROUD OF JORDAN SCHAFER. THE BRAVES WERE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO GIVE THE KID A SECOND CHANCE, AND HE MADE THE MOST OF IT. KID HAS LEARNED TO HUMBLE HIMSELF AND DO WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO HELP OUT THE TEAM. THE ASTROS GOT A SOLID KID AND A FUTURE STAR, AND I WISH HIM THE BEST. GIVE EM HELL, SCHAFE.
WELCOME TO THE TEAM, BOURN. IF YOU SUCK, THE BLOG WILL LET YOU KNOW IN A HURRY.
JUST KIDDING. BUT NOT REALLY.
NOW LETS GET HEALTHY, GET OUR REAL LINEUP BACK OUT THERE AND LETS F%CKING GO GET EM BRAVES
Justincase – Do you realize how many more fastballs, Prado, Chipper and McCann are going to see the rest of year?
July 31st, 201111:37 am
Jimbo Jones… I agree with you. I think sometimes when some athletes are so naturally gifted it doesn’t look like they are busting it. I think Heyward fits that category. I do think he should work on his body language though. He often looks defeated and you can’t have that
nice move.. anytime you can trade a guy with potential for one that’s proven.. DO IT!….. Bourn leads the MAJOR LEAGUES in stolen bases this year. when’s the last time the Braves had that…… There will be a positive ripple effect through the lineup with this guy at leadoff. nice move FW
I hate to see Schaffer go, but this looks like a good move. Good luck to Schaffer in Houston.
I’m utterly speechless. I really didn’t think Frank would pull the trigger. This gives the Braves an element that made them a perenial World Series contender 1991 thru 2005 (Nixon, Sanders, Grissom, Furcal).
Speed at top of order
Power in middle
Just imagine if Heyward pulls and Uggla and finds his stroke!
I am absolutely STOKED!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 201111:38 am
Michael Bourne is signed through 2012 right? Blog states 2011.
Nice job Wren. You didn’t sell the farm and got a huge addiion. I think this is the spark the Braves needed. HR were already a strong point. Runs and stolen bases add a different dimension we have been lacking in for a long while.
Sorry to see Schafer go, but I would be more sorry to see him stay in Atl as a young player and have to sit behind Bourne – a chance to play and to continue to work on his slap hitting/patrol the outfield in the wide open spaces of the Astro outfield is a good deal for him. I do wish him well, I really think he’s starting to find himself and that’s great to see in any young person in thier career.
As for the trade, it’s great to get Bourne w/o giving up a big 4. OBP AND speed is such an asset in the playoffs when you are gring out runs. Gotta love Bourne and Prado in a lineup followed by Freeman, Chipper, McCann, and a red hot Uggla.
The price for Bourne seems reasonable – great even when you don’t have to give up a “big 4″. I bet in th elong run the Astros get more out of the Braves package than they will with the Phillie package they got. The Phillie package sure smelled overated to me – kinda like the package we sent to San Diego years ago (in the McGriff trade?). Nothing ever came of those supposed top prospects.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Bourn, but I guess that means Braves did not see enough in Constanza(in 2 games) that they liked alot. Wish we could some how keep him because of his blazing speed? To bad he is not a RH hitter? What do others think?
July 31st, 201111:39 am
I hope Constanza goes out with a BANG today, 4 for 4 with 2 stolen bases, probably won’t see him again but I wish him luck in the future.
mvprado… One difference though. Ugla is a proven MLB producer while Heyward really isn’t
Great pick up Braves fans. It should be an interesting race down the stretch. I’ll echo the sentiments of some on this board by saying that I hope ESPN will now talk about our teams and division as much as they talk about the Red Sox, Yankees, and AL East. I think our teams and division are just as good. Anyway, Congrats…
July 31st, 201111:40 am
Oh, and bring up Constanza to pinch run after Sep 1. Bourne and Constanza on the bases – that’s a real track meet!
Bourne to run………. we need him Good move on paper not let the games begin. Chase down those Phils ala 93 and the Giants.. this could be a great race.
July 31st, 201111:41 am
Great trade. Bourne sounds topnotch. Sounds like giving up Abreu is a cost but you have to give up something to get something.
Schaffer is a class act. I wish I had shown as much at his age as he is showing. The Braves really gave him every opportunity. I hope he makes it in Houston.
retired.. I don’t think so. I really think you are Wild Card bound. But you are much improved. I like bourn but this isn’t a McGriff trade.
July 31st, 201111:42 am
Good move, to bad we couldn’t have gotten rid of mcclout instead of Schafer. Now let’s go get a rh relief pitcher. I also like the idea of Lowe in the pen, he is usually great the first time through the order. Bring up minor, To take that fifth spot for now.
wreckmaniac… Wasn’t he an HGH user? Cheater now = Class Act?
July 31st, 201111:43 am
Philly guy: The NL east is the best division in baseball. I don’t care what ESPN says ( or dosen’t say).
July 31st, 201111:44 am
I really hate to see Jordan Schafer traded he was a good looking young player .
July 31st, 2011
What is this with sorry to see Schafer go? He is 25 so not terribly young and hits 220? I would say good bye in a heart beat. He has been killing you all season
PhillieFan that is how it is down here. We overvalue guys like Schafer, McClouth, and Chipper rather than kicking them to the curb and getting guys that actually deserve the money they are making.
Frank Wren was on MLB Network and he said that “We will add another bat before the day is over.” It’s going to be Infante.
Also although we all love our Baseball on here a much bigger deal may get done as well this weekend. CNN is reporting that Congress is close to a deal on the Debt ceiling which would mean no default which is good for everyone on here.
July 31st, 201111:46 am
Good deal for the Braves. Good, not great; they could still use a RH bat. I’d be pissed if I was an Astro fan. Oberholtzer is a pretty good prospect, and they got 4 guys, but NONE of them just wows me if I’m an Astros fan. I imagine Ed Wade is about the most hated man in Houston right about now.
wreckmaniac… If the NL east is not the best its damn close. I agree with you but the AL east is still very good. If you say the Phillies Braves = Yanks Sox I agree but the Rays are far better than our 3rd team.
July 31st, 201111:47 am
lets play some ball baby!!
too bad we don’t see the phils until September, but 6 games in Sept will be exciting
say what you will about schafer but the guy worked his tail off. clearly he was well respected and liked by his teammates. on the other hand, i see heyward as being a guy with limitless talent and potential but without any sort of work ethic.
for the next few years between heyward and schafer, i’d want heyward no doubt because he’s so much more talented i think. but i always liked schafer and his hustle and intense effort, as evidenced even by his asking chipper this spring training what he’d need to work on to make the club.
best of luck jordan, and keep working that hard in houston and wherever your future takes you. it’ll all pay off, believe me
I’m gonna miss Schafer I know Roman Gal is going to as well.
July 31st, 201111:48 am
I like Bourn, but Schafer is as good or better defensively (coers the same ground but throws much better), and his offense is right at or ahead of Bourn at the same stage of their careers.
Is Bourn better now .. yes. But is the cost difference over the next 2 years worth it? I absolutely do not think so. I have a feeling the Braves will regret trading Schafer. He has more power, a better arm, and his SB/AB ratio is actually higher than Bourn’s this year which tells you he can run. If Schafer canlearn to bunt and stay healthy he will end up being a better player. Not to mention the fact Bourn is on the downside of his career. Don’t forget that before the steroid age most players didn’t even play into the mid-30’s.
Let’s also not forget how poorly players coming from low-pressure teams typically perform when thye join the Braves and the games actually matter.
Given our depth at the position, I would have rather traded Delgado (who looked like he was trying to emulate Rerun with his physique .. not to mention his pitching did not look top flight prospect to me) than trade a player who could impact 150+ game per year at a position we absolutely STINK at.
Prado will soon be at 3rd. Heyward will soon be moved (give him one or two more years and if he doesn’t start playing well the Braves will have to move him) and we are back in the ‘we are plyaing young guys or aging crap in the OF’. schafer was the only guy we had out there that was showing any promise at all for the upcoming seasons.
Quite frankly, I hope Schafer tears it up the rest of his career just to spite all the people on these boards that don’t remember how you develop talent for the long haul. Of course, I hope Bourn keeps playing as well as he has the last few months.
Now its time to trade Lowe to Yanks or Red Sox and bring up Minor…won’t change placing, won’t catch Phils and should beat out Diamondbacks.
Good Riddance to Schafer
July 31st, 2011
Good Riddance to a DO NOTHING Druggie….glad to see you gone Jordan – you have done nothing for us….other than be an embarassment. So Good Riddance and Don’t Let the Door Hit Ya, Where the Good Lord Split Ya.
Your vicious response should not include any reference to the Good Lord. You should be ashamed of yourself. I really hope you never need some understanding and support. Chances are you will not get it but I will pray that you do.
July 31st, 201111:49 am
Well,Philly Guy, I’ve been waiting for years for ESPN to talk about my team — my city, actually — and they have consistently been more interested in stuff like where LeBron is going to take his talents. That particular event is what pushed me over the edge, and I don’t watch any of their shows anymore — only specific events (and usually then with the sound turned down). I miss a lot, but people have noticed I don’t look so angry anymore.
so we made out better than the phillies without giving up any top prospects? LOL i fully expect all of you who have bashed Wren for the past week to formally apologize.
Get the hell out of here, no one wants you here. Go away and F the F’in Phillies. I did not come here to read comments of a Phillies fan this is a Braves blog.
DOB, on MLBTR there was a tweet that said there was 6 untouchables on the Braves…obviously its the 4 pitchers, but who would the other 2 be? Are they including Heyward and Freeman in that 6?
July 31st, 201111:50 am
Bourn sighted at the Southwest ticket counter,Send the private jizzy and get the Bourn in the hizzy.
” Bourn is signed through the 2011 season.”
He is arbitration eligible for the 2012 season.
His agent is Scott Boras.
Is all of the above true?
@Mike- AMEN to that. everyone deserves forgiveness and schafer has changed for the better. that should be commended not attacked by people who claim to be braves fans
July 31st, 201111:51 am
Wow only 16 multi hit games. Struck out 90 times, 1 home run, 66 runs scored, 32 RBI’s so what am I missing. Oh it must be his 271 career batting average and his 4.4 million dollar salary.
Not to happy with this transaction…
look i know the braves could have used a big bat but i mean we REALLY needed a center-fielder besides bourn leads all of baseball with 39 steals and is a 2 time gold glove winner plus we’re leading the wildcard by like 4 games so this trade should only help us
He’s talking about Edward Salcedo and Pastornicky
July 31st, 201111:52 am
Steve… What is it with the Schafer love. His progression is so far from a guarantee it’s crazy. He has killed you all season. Do you really think you can win the World Series with a lead off guy hitting 220?
July 31st, 201111:53 am
Tball… Are you better off now or with Schafer?
K with a K
Loved that we kept the big 4…lets bring up Vizcieno for the bullpen and we can go get a big RH bat in the off season. Not counting out another trade today. Q is not going anywhere but maybe wwe get R.Johnson or Willingham
My guess on the six untouchables:
5. Carlos Perez (A ball)
6. Edward Salcedo (A ball)
July 31st, 201111:54 am
@TDC- we do overvalue but we also love our players too…our scouts are the best and when we believe someone has real talent we don’t give up on them. unlike houston….i would be LIVID if i were an Astros fan
@Reeves, you don’t speak for me. PhillieFan and others are welcome to contribute to a thoughtful discussion of baseball. I’ll be the first to say something when discussion turns to smack-talking and put-downs with no basis in fact, but it appears that hasn’t happened here.
great move, bravo’s now have a legit threat to leadoff and on the bases too. schaffer was good, and will be better.. thouh right now, atlanta needed bourne to make a push into to w.s.!
Really a great move by the Braves a proven commodity for unknowns…production over potential…conservative move especially when you look at Indians and others.
July 31st, 201111:55 am
Reeves…To bad I am leaving I like this blog for it’s out of town perspective for me. Whiny people like you are the only people that bother me on here.
What a great move. No top pitching prospects involved. And considering the fact that the Braves were seeing Coco Crisp as a fallback, it’s especially sweet (pun intended).
July 31st, 201111:56 am
PhillieFan: I have more faith in our teams than I will ever have for those egomaniac losers in Washington. This debt deal should have been done weeks ago, but each side has to use our money to point fingers rather than act in our best interests. Thank goodness for baseball!
Jordan Schafer was never charged with using drugs, apparently never failed any drug test, and under baseball’s rules he was not allowed to say anything to defend himself. What we do know is he swung a bat with a broken bone in his hand for more than half a season before the Braves crack medical staff diagnosed it. He had surgery months later than he should have, then developed scar tissue, and eventually lost 2 seasons that might have turned out better if the Braves had more interest in protecting their most valuable assets. (How long did it take for the Braves to figure out why Brian McCann couldn’t see? A year and a half?) I wish Schafer and the other guys we traded all the best success. And I think Wren made a good trade. On the other hand, this is at least 3 Braves who are Scott Boras clients. That makes me a little nervous.
July 31st, 201111:57 am
I still can’t believe that Heath Bell hasn’t gone anywhere
July 31st, 201111:58 am
FYI – Beltran to SF, Pence to Philly, but guess what? Keppinger to SF, Kepp is getting about 2 hits per game, keeping his BA over .300! His trade for basically nothing, may turn out to be the best of all. Hope I’m wrong and the Bourn trade turns out best!
i think this is a good piece. i also think this isnt enough to unseat the phillies or anyone else. we dont have the pop of a right handed hitter and that is truley what we lack. if we can get carlos quinten we have a legitimate shot at the world series. even when mccann and mclouth comes back we still have no real power threat from the right handed side. lots of lefties, no righties. uggla is hot and freeman as well. no one else. lots of 230 or less avg in that lineup. and u gotta hope chipper can come back and play the rest of the season healthy. still too many issues. wren please pick up quinten! he is valuable and we really need him. you dont have to morgage the farm to get him just be smart about it. im so dissapointed!!!!
Brave New World… AMEN to that.. Congress completely sucks
I wasn’t saying he can’t come here at all, it just gets annoying when every other comment is one of his.
Well I like this trade,It is a upgrade for the top of the line up.Nice to have the speed.I would still love to see a proven big right hand bat to put in the middle of our line up and platoon in the corner outfield positions before Uggla goes back in a slump or someone else gets hurt…So if we are going to make a true run for the title lets dont hold back ,start now….
July 31st, 201111:59 am
Big Earl – Learn how to use your and you’re before you start calling other people out on their post.
Is Scott Boras that much worse than everybody else? Don’t know, which is why I’m asking.
I wouldn’t worry you get this year and if things work out you trade before next year’s deadline and you should be right back where you started with prospects…its not like the guy is going lose value.
Reeves…. Well get prepared to be annoyed hahaha
i don’t know why we couldn’t have kept schafer too. prado will be at 3rd eventually. schaf could have played left until Bourn left after 2012. two fast guys int the line-up would have been AWESOME.
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