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Brava
July 30th, 2011
5:17 pm
Who is Jeff Kemp?
Peter
July 30th, 2011
5:17 pm
Philliefan-
According to baseball almanac, Eric Gregg only umpired in 1989 world series. Maybe the earthquake threw off his strikezone. lol
FEAR
July 30th, 2011
5:17 pm
jeff KENT retired
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:18 pm
Latest On ESPN News
Bourn
B.J. Upton
Crisp
or possibly two out fielders……withen the next 24 hours.
P'cola Brave
July 30th, 2011
5:18 pm
Phillie Fan
I see them every year the little league series come on. I think its one of their favorite videos. Same Sheff just way smaller.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2011
5:19 pm
Chipper is a thorn in the side for the front office operations
The only thorn involved in this is the one who made this initial post I quoted.
Heath
July 30th, 2011
5:19 pm
Ken_RosenthalKen Rosenthal
Rival exec: #Braves have six untouchables, not previously reported four. Will make it tough to get #Astros’ Bourn. #tradedeadline #MLB
6-4-3
July 30th, 2011
5:19 pm
Yes to Bourn, no to Coco. Unless it’s Ice Tea’s Coco.
richbrave
July 30th, 2011
5:19 pm
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:16 pm
Actually,I’m going to be sport,and say congrad. to all the Phillies Fans.
Turncoat. Benedict Arnold. Phillies sux, BRAVES rule.
Say WARD, speaking of Benedict Arnold, did you ever notice that in the movie “Stripes’ the army training base was named “Fort Arnold.” And I’m pretty sure it wasn’t for ‘HAP’ ARNOLD either.
PhillieFan
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
NickB… you maybe right. But I really think everyone is missing the point on both the braves inactivity and the phillies activity. The Phillies have an aging lineup and are in win now mode and should be. The braves have a ton of young upside and shouldn’t sell to risk tomorrow. Both strategies make sense in a way.
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
My New York Giants could land Plaxico……….Eli has been talking to him.
dogman
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
I don’t know how the Philadelphia YANKEES can keep going out and get any player they want. Last year there were 3 potential free agent pitchers and most teams would have been glad to get one of them and the Philadelphia YANKEES got all 3 of them and then they went out and got Pence and they may be through yet. They are just like the NY Yankees who have unlimited funds to get anyone they desire. They must have had some kind of farm system to trade all those players away and kept their team in tact. Finishing in first place all these years how can they draft so many good players. I cannot figure it out. To my knowledge the braves don’t have any high position players ready for the majors. They seem to stock up on pitchers which is ok as long as you have some players who can hit the ball and they are lacking that now. Chipper ought to go ahead and hang it up for the good of the team and let the braves use some of that money to sign someone who can play every day. I guess the braves didn’t have many trading chips since they emptied the farm for the TEX disaster rental.
Peter
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
How in the hell do we have SIX untouchables?
Brava
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
Ken Rosenthal
Rival exec: #Braves have six untouchables, not previously reported four. Will make it tough to get #Astros’ Bourn.
What does this mean?
But Seriously
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
“So an official of one team who spoke with the Braves said he was told, “We’ve only got to weather the storm for 14 days, until [Brian] McCann gets back.” By then, they hope Chipper Jones will be healthy; Peter Moylan will be back in their bullpen; and they will feel like the urgency to DO SOMETHING will have lessened. If not, there’s always August.”
I find that assumption hilarious! Does Wren think that anyone who follows the Braves does not know that this team was challenged offensively when all these pieces that are coming off the DL were healthy and together? So Mac and Chipper will get back in the lineup and suddenly the anemic offense that was produced with them in the lineup already will be transformed?
Wow, that is nothing but a prayer! lol
August? There’s always Derrick Lee again!
nolieee
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
At least take a shot at Jeff Kemp. Let the bankrupt Dodgers tell you no.
what in the world makes some of you think that hasn’t already been done, probably several times?
PhillieFan
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
Peter you are right. I must be thinking of the braves series then. It was a god awful strike zone
ncgary
July 30th, 2011
5:21 pm
bourn and r johnson
call it an early night
bring up arod and t rex for relief late august
what do we give up for bourn minor ramirez and hoover
cabravesfan
July 30th, 2011
5:21 pm
Heath-
Saw that too. Wonder how true it is or if some rival team is trying to make a run at one of the players we are interested in, making it seem like we won’t give up much… (conspiracy theories run amuck!
)
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2011
5:21 pm
Braves six untouchables: Teheran, Viz, Delgado, Lipka, Salcedo, Pastornicky, I’d guess.
Tomas
July 30th, 2011
5:21 pm
6 untouchables, let 2 go, Wren come on.
LT200
July 30th, 2011
5:22 pm
I believe that the Phillies upgraded when they got Pence, but lets not forget that Pence played for a nothing team and now he will be in the pressure cooker that is Philadelphia. Plenty of good players can’t handle media hotspots. We will have to see how he does there. That being said I still think the Braves will do something to improve. I realize that the WC is probably the most we can hope for but the Phillies and Giants can be beaten and we must not lose sight of that. No one player guarantess winning. PERIOD.
Nick Saban
July 30th, 2011
5:22 pm
P’cola Brave…. Did you ever see the videos of Sheffield in the Little League world series? They are great and way to funny. He has they classic shef bat waggle and hop after a hr down pat at the age of 12. It’s just like they shrunk him
I remember seeing this a few years ago on ESPN classic. Sheff had that same smug punk attitude back then also. haha.
Bruce
July 30th, 2011
5:22 pm
I don’t understand why no one has ever mentioned Matt Kemp or Andre Eithier, The Dodgers are desperate for money?
N8
July 30th, 2011
5:22 pm
Who the hell are the other two “untouchables” in the system? Can’t be Gilmartin, because I don’t believe you can trade a draft pick until a year after he’s signed.
Obviously Minor, Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado. Only other one I can even remotely think that would be in this category is Salcedo?
TnBrian
July 30th, 2011
5:23 pm
Heath, didn’t need to read that, but thanks for the update.
Not gonna get Bourn without at least including a Mike Minor in there and I assume Wren doesn’t believe Bourn is worth a package around Minor judging from Heath’s post.
Dumb. Bourn IS worth it!
Tomas
July 30th, 2011
5:23 pm
Salcedo not an untouchable, Lipka not either.
MFin04
July 30th, 2011
5:23 pm
Minor is an untouchable…
Peter
July 30th, 2011
5:23 pm
Philliefan. Yea I was sitting first base side, awesome seats my dad and I got the morning of the game at the box office. (shows you the level of support of Marlins fans) Couldnt tell how bad it was til I saw the highlights afterward.
richbrave
July 30th, 2011
5:23 pm
Kemp to Braves for Sherril, Hicks, Hinske and cash considerations…
heh,heh,heh, funny
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:24 pm
richbrave: We all liked Pence,Just have to to give credit where it’s do.Have to be a good sport about things…….
FairBrave
July 30th, 2011
5:24 pm
Brava
July 30th, 2011
5:20 pm
Ken Rosenthal
Rival exec: #Braves have six untouchables, not previously reported four. Will make it tough to get #Astros’ Bourn.
What does this mean?
It means our GM has no balls!!
cabravesfan
July 30th, 2011
5:24 pm
TnBrian-
It was mentioned earlier that Minor is available for the right player. Doubt there would be a problem giving him up for Bourn (or Upton, probably)
bozz
July 30th, 2011
5:24 pm
Tomas,
Everything that I’ve read and heard seems to indicate that we will have to give up one of our big four prospects to get Bourn, probably Minor. Also, I haven’t read or heard anywhere that it would take four prospects to get Quentin, just the same deal for Bourn but maybe one of the better prospects instead of Minor.
Peter
July 30th, 2011
5:25 pm
Orioles Koji to the Rangers.
JasonInFL
July 30th, 2011
5:25 pm
Well, no offense and despite Wren making the right call on the price being asked for Pence, we won’t get anyone if we have 6 untouchables. That’s just crazy.
nolieee
July 30th, 2011
5:25 pm
Teheran, Viz, Delgado, Lipka, Salcedo, Pastornicky, I’d guess. Steve
Lipka? and not Minor? what about Bethancourt? Didn’t Lipka have a pretty disappointing year?
richbrave
July 30th, 2011
5:25 pm
N8
July 30th, 2011
5:22 pm
Who the hell are the other two “untouchables” in the system? Can’t be Gilmartin, because I don’t believe you can trade a draft pick until a year after he’s signed.
Obviously Minor, Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado. Only other one I can even remotely think that would be in this category is Salcedo?
BRETT OBERHOLTZER, ZEKE SPRUILL and ‘WILD-THANG’ PEREZ
Nick Saban
July 30th, 2011
5:25 pm
I don’t understand why no one has ever mentioned Matt Kemp or Andre Eithier, The Dodgers are desperate for money?
BECAUSE THEY AREN’T AVAILABLE!!! JESUS CHRIST!
People just need to shut the hell up about Kemp already.
JasonInFL
July 30th, 2011
5:26 pm
Sh!t. No wonder we aren’t getting anyone of significance.
P'cola Brave
July 30th, 2011
5:26 pm
The ones I wouldn’t trade right now is Teheran, Viscaino, Lipka and Pastornicky. Maybe Salcedo. Everyone else is free game.
BFChris26
July 30th, 2011
5:26 pm
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
@Ken_Rosenthal reports the deal is Uehara for Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter. #Orioles #Rangers
LT200
July 30th, 2011
5:26 pm
Half the people on here complaining about the need to make a trade will be the same ones complaining about Wren trading this player or that player next season. No one is ever satisfied on this blog.
cabravesfan
July 30th, 2011
5:27 pm
Some of you seem to be putting a lot of stock into something a rival executive may or may not have said. Wren has been very clear that he won’t trade Vizcaino or Teharan and would prefer not to trade Delgado or Minor, but will for the right player. Why would he not mention the other 2?
PhillieFan
July 30th, 2011
5:27 pm
If I were a braves fan i would rather stand pat than trade for Upton. I am just not a fan of this guy. I just think there is way too much hype for a guy who is hitting 220. His average I believe has dropped every year since he hit 300 in 2007. Thats a bad trend and I think he’s a bad guy which is bad combination. What do you guys think
Jimbo Jones
July 30th, 2011
5:27 pm
@dogman 5:20
The Phillies sell out every game every year. The Braves sell out one or two, tops. It’s all about the revenue disparity.
mvprado
July 30th, 2011
5:27 pm
Bourne to Run
The wire is jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive
GM’s are out on the phone tonight but there’s no place left to hide
Together Braves fans we’ll live with the sadness
We’ll love them with all the madness in our soul
Someday fans I don’t know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and we’ll be number one
But till then fans like us baby we want Bourne to run
Peter
July 30th, 2011
5:27 pm
FYI: Pineda no hitter thru 5.
NickB
July 30th, 2011
5:28 pm
@PhillieFan I am of the camp that believes prospects exist for two reasons, to fill needs via performance or trade value. The Braves have a very competitive team that IMO, lacks the ability to get on base consistently in front of their sluggers. If we can use one of our “untouchables” to acquire said player , even if that prospect turns out to be Halladay reborn, then as a GM you should at least try. Especially when you have the level of depth that the Braves have. Even with Lowe and Huddy leaving soon, one of JJ or Hanson leaving after that, the team is going to be overloaded with starting pitching. Teheran,Delgado,Vizcaino,Minor,Medlen,Hoover,Perez…etc All of these guys won’t turn out to be good, we all know that, but if you can fill a NEED by using one of them to headline a trade(and not overpay of course) then you do it. I’m not advocating a Texiera type of deal of course, just a move on of the big 4 and the add ins to get Bourn. But don’t let the acquisitions by the phils and Giants make you feel you HAVE to make a move too… If the astros want too much, FW should just get Crisp and Bailey and be done with it.
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:28 pm
Has anybody seen Constanza last night.He has potential?
Eric from MO
July 30th, 2011
5:28 pm
Nick it dont matter to them. They can always buy what they need so why do they really need a farm system. They sell out, Atlanta does not.
Lufa
July 30th, 2011
5:28 pm
We need Bruce Benedict! Remember when we all cheered “Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!” He actually was an all-star.
bozz
July 30th, 2011
5:28 pm
Six “untouchables”? Sweet baby James…
Lennie G
July 30th, 2011
5:29 pm
Seriously..how can you have 6 untouchables? I’m calling BS on that. Most teams would be lucky to have 2 at the most. If there’s 6 untouchables, then there’s no use even playing the trade game.
richbrave
July 30th, 2011
5:29 pm
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:24 pm
richbrave: We all liked Pence,Just have to to give credit where it’s do.Have to be a good sport about things…….
H***NO! I’m implacably, intractably dead-set against these Phillies fans on here. Makes me want to get drunk, go to the ball-park and throw up on children.
make a trade, any trade!! over pay for a minimal upgrade if you have to!!!!
July 30th, 2011
5:29 pm
geez, nothing yet??
Bravesfan2011
July 30th, 2011
5:29 pm
Bourn, Willingham, Quentin are my 3 top choices.
FEAR
July 30th, 2011
5:29 pm
this trade deadline is….. bourne to be mild…….HA! I kill me
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:29 pm
How about a Coco Crisp ,and Josh Willingham package if no one else?
nolieee
July 30th, 2011
5:29 pm
yup sooo much better than that spastik sissy we have starting now
pete
July 30th, 2011
5:30 pm
Constanza has potential? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL There is a reason why he made his debut last night at 27
Eric from MO
July 30th, 2011
5:30 pm
PhillieFan, I agree. We have plenty of Uptons already on the team.
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2011
5:30 pm
N8, I think Minor is the guy they were shopping for Pence. They’d move him in the right deal. Well, I would anyway. His ceiling isn’t as high as Teheran and we have enough good pitching to bridge the gap to Julio anyway. Plus, Medlen is here too.
Brava
July 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
Very nice, mvprado! I like it.
Bravefaninok
July 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
Jones
July 30th, 2011
5:15 pm
At least take a shot at Jeff Kemp. Let the bankrupt Dodgers tell you no. It’s worth a 2 minute call by Wren. Shock the world!–
Is Jeff kemp Matts Brother?
njbraves
July 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
How thick are some of you?? Matt Kemp is not available!!! Why is that so hard to comprehend?? Also, for the mentally challenged group, Chipper is not going to retire, it’s just not happening. And to be honest, Chipper is not what is holding this team back. Try to keep up.
FEAR
July 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
BREAKING NEWS
Schafer and mclouth to the Nats for Rick Ankiel
and Minor to the Rays for Kyle Farnsworth
pete
July 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
I would have offered Heyward and Minor for Pence and Bourn
Bourn
Prado
Chipper
McCann
Uggla
Freeman
Pence
Gonzalez
richbrave
July 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
bozz
July 30th, 2011
5:28 pm
Six “untouchables”? Sweet baby James…
Dang, Bobby Stack or Kevin Costner X six? Dang!
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
richbrave: I did want to throw up,and was mad as hell,but I got over it. We sill have great chances else where?
FEAR
July 30th, 2011
5:32 pm
matt kemp isnt available……damn….guess we got settle for fielder
make a trade, any trade!! over pay for a minimal upgrade if you have to!!!!
July 30th, 2011
5:32 pm
I swear if FW doesn’t make an over the top move, I will not go to another game, or watch them on TV the rest of the year.
I swear!!!
you listening FW?
nolieee
July 30th, 2011
5:32 pm
I don’t think they were really willing to trade any of the four for Pence, and I’ll bet Minor is still here after Sunday @ 4
Tomas
July 30th, 2011
5:32 pm
Top prospects rank.
1. Julio Teheran
2. Aroldys Vizcaino
3. Randall Delgado
4. Mike Minor
5. Tyler Pastornicky
6. Brett Obelholtzer
7. Edward Salcedo
8. Paul Clemens
9. Matt Lipka
10. Christhian Bethancourt
groundfog
July 30th, 2011
5:32 pm
I hear Matt Kemp is available why not try to get him?
jk lol
Bruce
July 30th, 2011
5:32 pm
So Nick how is it that you know so much about who is and who is not available? Do you work for the Dodgers? NO I DIDN’T THINK SO. SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT UP!!
richbrave
July 30th, 2011
5:32 pm
njbraves:
Really MATT KEMP to the BRAVES? Wow, thanx for the scoop dude.
bring back blauser
July 30th, 2011
5:33 pm
don’t blame wren for not making moves, blame the real culprit Liberty Media. they own the team and they will not allow monies needed to make the deals. need to get a campaign to get someone that cares about baseball to buy them from that cooperate conglomerate that cares only about the bottom line. hell they are in colorado and could care less about the fans in atlanta
JC from DR! (You gotta tip your cap to ____)
July 30th, 2011
5:33 pm
Just dont make any trade at all.
P'cola Brave
July 30th, 2011
5:33 pm
PhillieFan
This blog is real indifferent on Upton. Some want him because he has ‘potential’ and can hit HR. Personally we already have several like him that hit LH.
mvprado
July 30th, 2011
5:34 pm
Thanks, Brava. Now if Braves management would be just as inspired!
nolieee
July 30th, 2011
5:34 pm
I swear if FW doesn’t make an over the top move, I will not go to another game, or watch them on TV the rest of the year
do you also promise to not post here ? might be worth it if so
PhillieFan
July 30th, 2011
5:34 pm
NickB… very good point and i share the same philosophy. Plus look at all the “Blue Chippers” the Phillies have sent away for Lee, Oswalt, Halladay. For Lee the sent P Carlos Carrasco P Jason Knapp, Catcher Lou Marson and Jason Donald. For Halladay they sent Kyle Drabek (RHP), Michael Taylor (OF), Travis D’Arnaud (C) for Oswalt they sent JA Happ and Anthony Gose and shortstop Jonathan Villar. None of these have done anything to help an MLB team as of now.
MikeInFl
July 30th, 2011
5:34 pm
I have a feeling the word “untouchable” is being thrown around pretty loosely by someone. Maybe they mean “not easy to touch.” Or, “can be touched only in the right situation.”
richbrave
July 30th, 2011
5:34 pm
Ward
July 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
richbrave: I did want to throw up,and was mad as hell,but I got over it. We sill have great chances else where?
Yeah, well, not me turncoat.
Eddie in bam
July 30th, 2011
5:35 pm
those prospects must be untouchable to us also, we wont hardly use them ourselves, lol
FEAR
July 30th, 2011
5:35 pm
nolieee
HA!!
John Leonard
July 30th, 2011
5:35 pm
Richbrave:Have you seen Constanza play?And if so,hows his “D”
TnBrian
July 30th, 2011
5:35 pm
YEAH FRANK! Make a move or I’ll PROTEST!
I know nolie will! He’s that way.
Peter
July 30th, 2011
5:35 pm
With these six “untouchables”, perhaps we can finally stop the underground speak easy problem in Atlanta.
Tommy Boggs
July 30th, 2011
5:35 pm
If you pick up Bourn you can still keep Schafer. Schafer has the best arm in the outfield and if he can play center he can surely play a corner spot. With the boppers they have in the infield / catcher
they can have two speedster outfielders. Would make for a helluva a defensive outfield.
Jason Heyward is only 22 and might be better served with a little more AAA time.
So much hype/ ESPN commercial for a 229 hitter.
nolieee
July 30th, 2011
5:35 pm
1. Julio Teheran
2. Aroldys Vizcaino
3. Randall Delgado
4. Mike Minor
5. Tyler Pastornicky
6. Brett Obelholtzer
7. Edward Salcedo
8. Paul Clemens
9. Matt Lipka
10. Christhian Bethancourt
from where? One I say had Perez in there
MikeInFl
July 30th, 2011
5:35 pm
Here’s something you might not see again: Uggla has the longest hitting streak in the majors while simultaneously owning the lowest batting average in the National League (among those with the plate appearances to qualify.).
That’s a web gem of an oddity, DOB.
bozz
July 30th, 2011
5:36 pm
Alright, I’m out, too many asinine comments on here. Have a good one, ladies and gents. Go Braves.
But Seriously
July 30th, 2011
5:36 pm
Wow Rosenthal says rival execs say the Braves DO have six untouchables!
That being the case can anyone blame the other GM’s for not taking Wren’s call?
Having 6 untouchables is equivalent to malpractice in performance of GM duties for any team!
FEAR
July 30th, 2011
5:36 pm
so is untouchable gonna become a blogism? like crime shame or you and idiot or fluff
N8
July 30th, 2011
5:36 pm
Steve I agree.
NickB
July 30th, 2011
5:36 pm
I don’t understand why folks are upset the Phils got Pence… He isn’t that good. In our giant ballpark he’d prolly put up an OPS around .770-.800 at the most. That’s pretty avg
Heath
July 30th, 2011
5:36 pm
I still think that the Braves are the overwhelming favorite to win the WC. We just need to make moves that make us match up well with the other play-off teams. Bourn would be good because he answers two of our problems:CF and lead-off. Since he’s young and not a free agent after the year, we have time to work a long-term deal too. I think we should go for it. Duh, right?
make a trade, any trade!! over pay for a minimal upgrade if you have to!!!!
July 30th, 2011
5:36 pm
Based on my own WWAR calculations, after a computer simulation of 10,000 scenarios, BJ Upton would be a +9.29639563 game difference for the Braves…
+9.29639563
FW, DO IT!!!!