3:59 pm July 29, 2011, by David O'Brien
July 29th, 20116:08 pm
The phils have a great G.M and they have spent their money wisely – braves are pretenders!!
yup. a maxed out payroll, a ravaged farm system (which is showing up big time in the Pence dealings), tons of free agents who will have to be lost or overpaid like Rollins and Lidge, no impact players under 30 besides Cole Hamels, a fast closing window for success, and one championship. I’m sure Ruben appreciates your support though.
The question is: DO WE REALLY WANT ANOTHER WS TITLE OR NOT?
If the answer is yes then take that hot right handed bat at whatever price it takes!!!!!!
Is not keep on waiting for the prospect to grow-up, and loose this year AGAIN!!!!
Row, I agree. With Cox, we were always swinging for that three run homer (that almost never came). Perhaps the better term is hitting management…trying to make contact, move the runner, not getting 0-2 and having to hit the pitcher’s choice. Championship teams do this without thinking. Is Fredi channeling Cox?
July 29th, 20116:09 pm
ask dodger if they are interested in trading KEMP? give them whatever they want except julio. fren doesn’t have the 00 to do it.
I agree with evryone. If you can hear me out there frank wren let the phillies give away their farm system for pence and go get bourn. we need a cf more than a rf anywats
Thanks for the clarification DOB! DFA..sigh.. Yup
July 29th, 20116:10 pm
glove51 Who knows — maybe history could repeat with Constanza!
What are you saying? That a hurricane named Jose will hit Santo Domingo this summer?
Diory was DFA’ed to make room for Constanza.
not sure Jay. he is basically AAA fodder, with Hicks around and now ‘nicky up there they might not care much?
richie: Not likely. Pence is not amazing!
The longer it goes the more I feel like we aren’t making a big move
Dennis Reynolds and myself have been screaming for Constanza for months and Pete saying he is a life minor leaguer, we’ll find out now, I beleive he hits lefties real good, also would like to see Gartrell paltooning with Heyward however I still agree 100% with Nick Saben that Bourn is the real solution, I would give up Minor for Bourn in a heartbeat.
July 29th, 20116:11 pm
Heard we just signed Julio Franco.
MLB: Outfielder Ludwick atop Braves’ wish list
We are so broke that we can even afford to dream big.
July 29th, 20116:12 pm
Constanza is going to be the guy that starts the party every night for this team.
With Heyward coming around, Dan Uggla being Dan Uggla, and Freddie Freeman being the MAN, we have enough middle of the order hitters. We need a guy who’s going to create some runs at the top.
If Constanza just does what he’s been doing in AAA all this time, he’ll stick around because he’s GOING to score a LOT of runs.
JC from DR! (You gotta tip your cap to ____)
Carlos Quentin to the Braves! Make it Happen!
nolieee … CBI = Cat Ball Index. I think scoots coined it after RHR told a story about a 4-balled tomcat as a metric to determine how much blog luv a marginal player will garner when he does something good.
Usually CBI spikes when DOB talks about a marginal player in the main blog. For a while, I think Matt Young topped 3 and Schafer’s is around 10.
So, your claims about Can’t Stand Ya’s heroics tonight led me to believe that you were trying to get some similar CBI going for the dud(e).
July 29th, 20116:13 pm
July 29th, 2011
Heard we just signed Julio Franco.
Yeah…as ours Hitting Coach
George. I agree. Well said.
July 29th, 2011
The fact of the matter is that we do not stand a chance unless we go make a move for a big bat. No, a complimentary player such as Willingham or Ludwick will not suffice. We need a Quentin, Pence, or even Upton type player. Wren needs to realize that our offense was mediocre at best even for the few game we saw everyone healthy so for him to think all of our problems are going to be solved with health is irrational.
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
Add another high spec and get Kemp.
I would love him in the middle of the order
jbailz – Yeah, or maybe Upton’s just a attitudinal Dude who may never “get it” and who’s numbers have significantly declined over the past three seasons
“If Constanza just does what he’s been doing in AAA all this time, he’ll stick around because he’s GOING to score a LOT of runs.”
As the new adage goes…”You can’t steal home”
July 29th, 20116:14 pm
Constanza batting .300 against lefties and .318 against righties.
Yes they will make a big splash if we dont have to give up far too much. I think we will hear about it tonight. If we cant get a fair deal then there is always FA’s after the season AND FOREMOST the next trade deadline in 30 days and at that time there may be more sellers. BUT it would be better to get it done in the next 2 days because every game matters. The SOONER the better. Staying close to the Phils and getting some homefield in the playoffs should be a priority and I am sure it is. Just like the Falcons, the Braves are in the game and I expect a significant move.
Rowsdower: You are the one who extrapolated SBs from his road splits – incorrectly I might add. He is on pace for 11 steals and has never stolen more than 18 in a season, yet you said 30 SBs.
Do you plan to address Pence being below average RF away from Houston?
For all you ShipDits that believe Pence is another McLouth:
162 GM Avg. 162 683 632 84 183 35 6 25HR 90RBI 15SB 9 46 12 290AVG
Link to Stats:
July 29th, 2011
Ok, Joe Simpson.
With a .300+ BA, I don’t think he has to worry about stealing 1st base. Dude is going to put the ball in play and use his legs to do the rest. Kinda like what they want Schafer to do but he cant.
Next, we’re going to talk about how George Lombard and Brad Komminsk never really gotta chance, huh?
I am a prospect hugger, probably one of the worst. But I am also a realist. Let’s not judge the young man pro or con until he gets a chance.
But you have to admit, a 27 year old rookie that has never made it to the bigs with anybody before is a long shot at best.
Clubs don’t miss that badly on talent evaluations……
LUDWICK .238 WITH A .302 OBP I DONT THINK SO. STUPID!!!!
Include Minor for a big bat and call it a day. If not, I really do think Upton would benefit from a change of scenery.
But, my word, you can’t expect to get you a piece that could put you over the top for a bunch of nothings. I am ont advocating a Tex package, but Minor? Please. Include him.
July 29th, 20116:15 pm
I just want to take a moment to congratulate Jose for finally making it to the bigs. You’ve earned it.
Constanza callup is making the Braves the laughingstock of Twitterland. Scraping the bottom of the deparation barrell.
July 29th, 20116:16 pm
ohhh time for me to get upstairs and get dressed…go braves
NO HITS FOR YOU!
It’s you can’t steal 1st. Home gets stolen quite a bit…
Chris from the Rock
Braves should acquire David DeJesus. He’d fit in perfectly: a Left-handed hitting OF hitting in the .220’s.
MFin04… Actually… you can steal home. I wou;dn’t recommend trying it all the time, but it was just done in the last week. Plus, I saw it in the moview “The Sandlot” so it must be possible.
July 29th, 20116:17 pm
Constanza can not only steal home, but he will be back in the dugout B4 the catcher get the ball from the pitcher..
I think that saying is “you can’t steal first”.
Because you really can steal home………
And for you folks thinking that Constanza is the answer to our prayers; well I hope you are right, but I am not holding my breath.
Had the same misgivings about Prado, but I was wrong then. Hope I am wrong again.
Ever heard of a guy named Dan Uggla?
Falcon fans were raising hell earlier about the lack of moves. Then they sign Ray Edwards and everything looks sunnier. I suspect that we’re seeing the same type of scenario play out with the Braves. But I very well could be wrong. I have to stay positive, though. Otherwise the rest of you bloggers will have me jumping off the roof tonight.
July 29th, 20116:18 pm
Rowsdower: By the way, Pence has not played CF since ‘07.
Nova Scotia Steve
Bowman reports its either Upton or Ludwick for Braves.
July 29th, 20116:19 pm
The eagles get Nnamdi !
WHY WOULD WE GIVE AWAY PROSPECTS TO GET LUDWICK WHEN HIS OBP IS WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
@Bobby – I pulled his Road Splits from ESPN. If the SB column incorrect, take it up with them.
No need to address his being a below average RF away from home. HE WILL NOT PLAY RF FOR THE BRAVES. And, if he did, he would be better than Heyward right now. This is about right now. He can play LF or CF depending on who emerges the next 2 years.
Now, show me where he would rank among CF where he would play for this team.
July 29th, 20116:20 pm
MLB trade rumors now says that the braves didnt consider Pence a priority. Ok then who is?
July 29th, 20116:21 pm
If given a choice between Upton and Ludwick… gimme Upton all week long and twice each day on the weekends.
July 29th, 20116:22 pm
Ludwisk is probably
JasonInFL – I’m with you man. Let’s get Upton.
I wanted Quentin/Pence but a change of scenery may be the trick for him. Upton can – despite current stats – be an impact pick-up.
Good point about Uggla. But name me 10 of those guys that played their first major league game after the age of 26 that stuck around more than a year or so.
Just doesn’t happen too often. But hey, I am pulling for the kid. I just have low expectations.
We still need to get a RH bat.
Haven’t done that but Wren is stupid enough to do it, just showing interest in him is stupid.
Constanza=Otic Nixon. By the way Nixon, who first got called up at age 24, did not see any significant playing time until he was 29..Otis Nixon’s breakout year 1991 at age 32..Just sayin’..
Constanza should have been on the roster already, but did not strike out enough..
Lesser of two evils here…anyone but Ludwick. Why settle for absolute crap? Perhaps a change of teams will help Upton get a fresh start. Plus he’d get outta playing in the dome:/
July 29th, 20116:23 pm
Meant to say Otis Nixon, darn typos…..
how many really really believed that the Braves would spring for a significant bat?
July 29th, 20116:24 pm
Rowsdower: That is the BB column you genius. Did ESPN also extrapolated that for you? I can answer that, NO!
I can’t remember, but didn’t we sit around dreaming about big names to help us at the trade deadline last year?
I don’t think they ever came did they?
I believe we made a last second deal for Ankiel and Farnsworth.
Seems eerily similar to this year…
July 29th, 20116:25 pm
I’m still thinking you hang on to the Schafer idea. I see him being a Victorino type player–not with the same pop, but with more speed. The guy who does not make the all-star team, but you look at and say when you play the Braves (like I say when we play the Phillies), “this guy always kills us.” If Schafer would learn to be an expert bunter, and would work on being a slap/spray hitter, he could hit .250 and wreak havoc on other teams. I’m no expert, but I do know that I stay put and hold my bladder when I know Schafer is coming up in the next inning because I know something nutty might happen. He’s not the fix this month, with his finger injury, or this year because I think his hitting philosophy needs to be refined (right now, he looks like he really is trying to drive the ball deep into the gaps, or out of the park), but I feel like he is worth holding on to. So I don’t see a long-term center field fix as the first option.
Upton over Ludwick every day of the week. He would help the Braves, fill an actual positional need, and allow J-Hey to stay in the lineup. Schafer/Ludwick or Upton/J-hey…um, I know which pair I would take.
Mountain Braves Fan
July 29th, 20116:26 pm
I don’t think the Braves go for Bourn because the front office thinks that Schafer IS Bourn, minus a little OBP which Schafer can improve on by hitting the ball on the ground and acting more like Brett Butler than Jeff Burroughs. For the stat lovers, Bourn’s career OBP is .338, Schafer’s is .310. Schafer has the speed, the arm, and the defensive ability to be a quality major league center fielder, and he is five years younger and ten times cheaper than Bourn. Bourn is making 4.4 million dollars this season and will get a big raise in arbitration next year. And did I mention that Scott Boras is Bourn’s agent? Bourn also wants to stay with the Astros. He is from Houston and played at the University of Houston. For a team like the Braves with a payroll under 90 million, you have to find value where you can, and they see Schafer as such a player. The Astros would also want a major prospect, like Minor, before they would even start to talk about trading Bourn.
Norris – stop shouting. Anyway, Braves don’t care as much about OBP as much as the rest of the baseball playing universe
All of this talk about our rotation being ten or more deep-
Y’all do realize that even if he’s not traded right now, Minor likely will be over the winter when the asking price comes back to reality.
In addition, you saw Delgado pitch this year and he’s not ready for prime time – neither is Vizcaino who hasn’t cracked the 100 inning mark yet – of the entire “Big Four”, only Teheran is close to being MLB ready and he didn’t shine in his couple of starts and needed th extra time in Gwinnett. And not to mention, this season we needed a game or more from about eight or nine starters just to cover injuries.
So yeah, we DO have some trade pieces, but we’re nowhere near as MLB pitching ready and deep as some of you would like to believe.
i have gotten twitter feeds from mlbtraderumors, dob, espn and mb to the tune of over 200 today about the trade deadline.
can FW please make a decision so my life can go back to normal…..
For those of you who want Upton…why Upton over Bourn? Is it because he is cheaper? Because that’s about the only reason…
Yeah, I agree we need a RH bat. I think thats very obvious. But I don’t think we need a guy like Pence or Quentin. Mainly because it would mean taking Heyward’s soon-to-be hot bat out of the lineup too often.
I think at this point, we really should just go after Ludwick as long as they throw in a quality reliever in the deal. Shouldn’t cost much at all for us and would really improve our depth in both the pen and the bench.
Ive been all over the idea of getting Bourn for weeks now. I think he would do wonders for the lineup. If Constanza can do what he’s been doing in AAA, we really don’t need Bourn. Thats a wait and see right now, though. And with the deadline 2 days away, theres not much time to do that.
I still say we should just go ahead and trade for Bourn and Ludwick/Reliever.
July 29th, 20116:27 pm
The Braves are sadly going to trade for some trash can player like Ludwick, bank on it.
But that’ll never stop me from dreaming!
Carlos Quentin to the Braves!!!!
July 29th, 20116:28 pm
(Waving Arm!) “Get Out The WAYYYY!!!!! (Boom!) Pretty Boy Coming Through! Me And My Crew! We Swaggin In The Room!”
Whats Up All?
I’m on the Upton wagon vs Dudwick. We have enough .240 hitters. Add Parrish and Tuner Field and you have Agon V. 2.0
Just say no to Dudwick!
July 29th, 20116:29 pm
Pretty quiet on the Quentin front…
We ain't doing diddly poo
Constanza is finally given a well deserved opportunity. Instead of trading the farm for another .240 hitter with a little pop to come to ATL and underachieve – let’s give Gartrell a shot. We moved Constanza to the 40 man, let’s do the same with Gartrell instead of unloading anything for the sake of doing a deal.
We don’t like Upton – he’s a party boy and will NOT fit in this clubhouse. Promoting Constanza and sending Diory packing is a pretty clear indication that Bourn/Upton and/or Crisp is likely not going to happen. Pence will not help us – he is a Francoeur type hitter – doesn’t wealk much and is hitting well in Houston because he can be pitched to contact in games that are lop-sided. If we can get Quentin for little or nothing, which is unlikely – let’s get him.
If not – there market for what we want is weak, weak, weak. Let’s hold on to what we have and roll the dice on Gartrell. He will put up just as good of numbers as Quentin and wont cost near as much.
If he struggles, so what.
We save our arms for another day. We are a .240 hitting team – that is not going to be fixed by any one player.
Still need a RHP for the bullpen. Varvaro has a live arm, but battles wildness, as we saw last night.
the only way i would be seemingly ok with Ludwick in a braves uniform is if heath bell came with him. Thats not gonna happen so i guess ill just be pissed when hes the only person we trade for.
I think the asking price is the key. The best fit for me is Bourne. He starts in CF and leads off. If Schaffer comes back, or next year, I have no problem with Schaffer in Lf. Having 2 spped guys at the top pf the order is great, and your outfield defense is great. McClouth is gone next year, and should not even enter the equation. Chipper may retire or not, but Prado can play 3rd most of the time, and LF if Chipper plays, with Schaffer coming off the bench. I think you get Bourne for Minor or Delgado and one lower level prospect, and I do that deal. Pence will cost at least 2 high level prospects and more cash than we have, so I dont do that deal. Quentin helps a lot and can probably be had for Minor or Delgado, so if you cant get Bourne, then I think you get Quentin. I would not get Willingham or Ludwick unless you give up next to nothing for them. They really dont help you much.
July 29th, 20116:30 pm
so T’hawkin tiptoes in through the back door….
July 29th, 2011
For those of you who want Upton…why Upton over Bourn? Is it because he is cheaper? Because that’s about the only reason…
Upton has some pop and if he gets on the right track will be 10x better than Michael Bourn
July 29th, 20116:31 pm
If the cost to get Upton is not too great, then I’d prefer him over Ludwick. Sometimes these young bucks just need a good dose of reality to kick them back into gear.
Upton we know has the talent and the tools. Maybe he could get all buddy buddy with Fredi in ATL??
Stranger things have happened.
Rowsdower: Right now? Heyward has a higher OPS by nearly 100bps since All Star break, and we all know Heyward has been scuffling. For the year, Pence has only been 50bps better than Heyward based on road splits.
I am not convinced Pence can play CF everyday, but I will go along. He would rank 18th in OBP and 13th in OPS – sound pretty average, assuming he defense does not erode that value.
Any more questions? You ready to trade away two of baseball’s top 50 prospects?
Yeah, not sure why they think Ludwick could help. Of course, they have already admitted that they don’t look at stats and don’t value the ones they should, so maybe it makes sense? (smile)
July 29th, 20116:32 pm
Constanza wearing The infamous number 17: My Number form High School and College?
Constanza is gonna be a Stud! (Pointing Finger!) You Just Watch!
We don’t like Upton…
We? you and that mouse in your pocket?
July 29th, 20116:33 pm
Lew: Great points. I do not want the Braves to be forced to overpay for SP again like Lowe and Kawakami.
Bourn > Upton > Ludwick
I have a gut feeling we’ll get Upton though. :\
I can feel it, its gonna be Ludwick and i am going to be sooooo pis*@d off I probably will quit watching them for a couple days, I would rather stand pat than get another .230 hitter
July 29th, 20116:34 pm
As for Ludwick – he is a slower, less athletic version of Rick Ankiel. Let’s just pass on all these bums. Also hear that JEFF FRANCOUER is being shopped and the Braves are possible buyers??? DOB – any truth here??? Frenchy has 17 SBs — it’s amazing what can happen when you actually play baseball. Check out Melky’s numbers with KC – .297 BA/.333 OBP 12 HRs 57 RBI and 14 SBs…LET THESE GUYS PLAY!!!
This is a horrible hitting team. We could use 2 outfielders and a shortstop! So what have we done so far? Nothing! What will we do? Probably won’t know for 48 hours. Thanks Frank. Guess he figures the longer he waits the price will come down. Well with so many guys on the DL that my man is a big gameble.
Ludwick =’s Slop
Willingham =’s Slop
I’d Take Francoeur over those 2
Get Quentin and get it over with! I’m tired of the trade talk with all the Slop that is on the Market!
“Upton has some pop and if he gets on the right track”
Nothing in any of his numbers say that he is getting anywhere close to getting on the right track….
Bourn > Upton
July 29th, 20116:35 pm
As much as everyone in here would love to see Pence, Bourn, Quentin, Upton, or whoever your player of choice is, you might as well start finding things to like about Willingham/Ludwick. Thats more than likely who we will get. We’ve been linked to each of these guys for years now and this is the perfect opportunity to nab one of them, in the Braves’ front office’s eyes.
@Bobby – Oh, no, I misread a column. Shoot me.
Now, you gonna tell me where he would rank against CF? And my other points still stand, so GFY.
You’re the genius that thinks trading ONE of FOUR pitching prospects is gutting the farm system. For a player that is controlled for 2 more years. A player that is a vast improvement on what the Braves have TODAY. A player that brings energy and ability that could put the Braves over the top. I guess that isn’t worth a pitching prospect that may or may not pan out.
July 29th, 20116:36 pm
OK, let me get this straight. The Braves trade for someone like Ludwick or Willingham. You get ticked and don’t watch the Braves for a few days?
You gonna quit blogging too?
July 29th, 20116:37 pm
if Upton comes here and plays like he so often does for the Rays, there are gonna be a lot more angry AJC bloggers than there are now.
i think its a consensus with the majority the BJ Upton has way too many “if’s”. IF he can get his head right, IF he can start making consistent contact. MAYBE he needs a change of scenery. Carlos Quentin has hit 20 homers, 62 RBIs and has a 262 batting average while hitting 275 against lefties. I think the numbers speak for themselves that Quentin will drive in some runs in a Braves uniform. The best viable option in my humble opinion.
Bobby – Exactly. Good pitching costs more than good hitting – it will leave us more to spend on the parts we really need to fill the next couple of years as payroll comes off the books.
I was gonna do Player> Player but neither one is worth a ….
Phillies will get Pence
Reds will get Bourn
Braves will get Upton and Ludwick
Thats what I just heard on Sports radio.com
July 29th, 20116:38 pm
Besides outfielder pick up back up third baseman, right handed hitting Ty Wigginton who can also give Freeman a breather. Chipper needs a backup and I’m not down with the Julio Lugo scene.
Julio Franco, Yes. Julio Lugo, give me a FrankWren break.
Constanza is as good as any OF that we have now.
“I can feel it, its gonna be Ludwick and i am going to be sooooo pis*@d off I probably will quit watching them for a couple days, I would rather stand pat than get another .230 hitter”
Agreed! But I’m not gonna stop watching even though I feel that we are gonna trade for Slop and therefore will lose in the 1st round. This team is too 1 dimensional on Offense 9If we don’t hit homers, we don’t win) and don’t have CG ACE pitchers who can dominate like a Halliday or Linecum for 2-3 starts in a 7 game playoff series. But that maybe a moot point because we should have Easy-E, Vennie-Macc and Kimmie shutting down teams if their arms don’t fall off???
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