3:59 pm July 29, 2011, by David O'Brien
July 29th, 20115:43 pm
But Seriously -
It was an obvious answer based on ALL the injuries we’ve had over this whole season. Has there been a contender with more injuries than the Braves?
On another note, I think Rose and Millar are pretty funny.
Is noliee trying to talk up Can’t Stand Ya’s CBI?
Michael Bourn and Reed Johnson. That’s all we need. I’m telling you guys. It wouldn’t cost much and would help this team out significantly. Why am I not the GM?
we declined to offer Diaz arbitration and he signed a 2 year contract somewhere else.
Big difference from letting someone go who was begging to stay
Constanza is extremely fast. Saw that during spring training in a few games and workouts.
Diory got DFA’ed Jay
Right now the Braves have an extra bullpen guy since Valvaro was called up and Wilkin Ramirez was sent down.
When and if a trade occurs this weekend, I believe a bullpen arm will be sent down – provided they don’t have to use everybody every game this weekend – and Constanza will stay up there a while.
Again that could change depending on who they trade for. If they get a CF, then maybe Constanza and a BP arm go down and another bench guy gets called up. Or perhaps an bench guys is also acquired. Still so many ways this could go. That’s why this time of year is so fun.
July 29th, 20115:44 pm
jay dubu – Diory Hernandez was DFA
Constanza could be a spark for the Braves, but he’s a lefty hitter also.
brave: Houston is asking for two of the top four pitching prospects. NO WAY!
Diaz, Cabrera, Francouer would all be just as good or better than Willingham and Ludwick and I have my questions about Pence and Quinton, they have never been heavily scrutinized. Just look at what you people do to Jason on the daily. BJ Upton is used to the scrutiny and so is Matt Kemp.
Minor, Beachy, Schafer, and a 2nd tier prospect for Matt Kemp
Minor, a 2nd tier prospect and Schafer for BJ Upton and Farnsworth
July 29th, 20115:45 pm
Diaz offered to by pass arbitration and resign for the same salary.
David O’Brien, July 29th, 2011, 5:22 pm … “McLouth’s lower ab strain occured on his throw to the cutoff man last night, … “
Guess we now know why McLouth has been hesitant to throw.
WTF is a CBI????
wasn’t aware I was talking up anything really
wish it wasnt so hot I would wear my diaz jersey tonight…
July 29th, 20115:46 pm
Do I even have to bother?
Of course Constantza is fast, I’d be hustling to try impress Braves management and show I belong in the majors.
Just give him a year in the Bigs, he’ll be trotting lazily to 1st base like SeaBass and Heyward before you know it.
I wonder if he has had a hernia for quite a while. He had 9 kills in 2009. something obviously happened
July 29th, 20115:47 pm
@Bobby – You really are hung up on the wrong things. Pence is a clubhouse dream, he plays a position of need, he is a great athelte in his prime. We’re not talking about Matt Kemp, but we are talking about a player that this team needs.
Away 189 23 54 9 0 7 27 10 .286
I see nothing wrong with those numbers. Extrapolated out over a full season is .286 21 HRs 81 RBI and 30 SBs. We can’t use that?
did someone call liberty media ‘liberty mutual of omaha’? nice.
Im With Brave. I would give them mike minor in a Heart beat for pence!
Diory Hernandez was DFA’d to open spot on the 40-man roster. That’s designated for assignment.
Va: The thing about Bourn is….how many 60+ steals guys are there in the majors now? That play Gold Glove CF?
He would completely change this team. I’d go for getting Bourn and then a very small deal for a RH platoon partner in the OF as a backup. (Aaron Cunningham and Jesus Guzman from SD would come VERY cheap and hit lefties very, very well)
July 29th, 20115:48 pm
Take Wren’s reluctance to part with even ONE pitching prospect. Stir in Chipper getting hurt. Watch Wren continue to balk at trading a pitcher, watch Mac get hurt. Watch Schafer go on the DL. Watch Braves get 14 hits and score two runs….watch Nate go on the DL….
Ah Hell Frank…. SELL! lol
I say stay put… unless someone decent can be had without selling the farm. There are NO elite players available and that’s all we should give prized prospects for. The reason there’s is no clear cut answer in this trade market, is because there’s no player that fits for us or gives us anything better than we already have (or will have once some players come off the DL soon).
Pence = not a good fit, plays LF and RF NOT CF, we already have Prado in LF, do we give up on J-Hey?
Ludwick/Willingham = no CF, not much upgrade at hitting anyway
Quentin = no CF, do we give up on J-Hey
Bourne = CF (right position), but is he really an “elite” player?
Bottom line – Don’t give up the farm for any of these especially a platoon player.
•The Braves offered a package that included prospects they didn’t offer to the Mets for Carlos Beltran, but the Astros turned the offer down, according to Stark. The Braves may be moving on, which would leave the Phillies as Pence’s primary suitor. The Red Sox, Reds, Pirates and Indians appear to have peeled off, according to Stark.
well it used to get called Liberty Mutual Insurance quite a bit when it first got the Braves
Constanza has not played yet in Braves game and people that claim to be Braves fans are already cutting him down. Give the guy a chance before you spit your hate..If he hits singles all day and all night I ‘ll be happy..just get on base..Don’t destroy the guy before he even get to bat one time.
Damn I thought we had better fans …
I wonder if Chipper Jones realizes that Chipper Jones at 80 percent is better than a lot of people in this league. And that there are a bunch of his teammates that are out there playing with discomfort and not healthy, and still going at it.
Nah – he’s out again today and likely to miss the whole weekend series
Good thing for Constanza is that he only needs to put up a 74OPS+ and play solid defense.
The Braves seems to be a tax right off for Liberty Mutual ,they wont spend any money ,they seem to just like having a team and that is it ,they arent intrested in having a world champonship,if it means having to spend $$$$$,they also like teasing the fans,So i say to Liberty Mutual …….Go to he double hockey sticks
NO NEED FOR BOURN NOW!!!
FINALLY GETTING HIS DUE SHOT!!!
July 29th, 20115:49 pm
someone please answer, dave anyone where in the world does mik minor fit in our starting rotatation this year, next year, the years after,, why is wren so reluctant to include him in a trade? is he ahead of medlin, teheran, delgado, viziciano where is he going to pitch except and gwinette for the next five years?
I’m hearing coco crisp is headed here for a couple 2nd tier players
he’s a cheap RH cfer
braves are pretenders!!
July 29th, 20115:50 pm
WOW!! That is one lineup Wren should be proud of. Most AAA teams have better hitting lineups than this. Braves are going nowhere, and with this G.M. who has tied up all of the limited budget Libety Media has given him on 4 players, This team will be a joke for another year. Let’s see, $15 million on Lowe, the best starter in the N.L. with an era over 4.50 that has a losing record and still gets his $15 million for another year, Hudson, the second best starter in the N.L. getting paid $13 million with an ERA approaching 4.00, Chipper, the only player in the N.L to play in 80 games a year and still get paid $15 million, K.K, the only pitcher in AAA getting paid $7 million,Nate the Great, the only C.F. in N.L. batting below .225 getting paid $7 million, and Uggla the only second baseman in the N.L. getting paid $15 million for hitting .200. Gotta give it to the genius G.M. Wren, he is the dumbest G.M in baseball, and if he had an owner that cared his ass would have been gone 2 years ago. That represents $55 million or better in salaries the braves are having to pay for these worn out clowns, and they are getting zero production from them. Yet braves fans rave about Hudson and his 4.00 era, and chipper and the fact he sells jerseys, last time i checked the team wasn’t paying him to sell jerseys or sit his ass on the bench beside Fredi, which is the worst pickup of all by Wren. The phils have a great G.M and they have spent their money wisely. Compare the money the braves have spent on K.K, Lowe, and the resigning of Hudson to the phils signing Hallady&Lee. What a fuc—- joke Wren is compared to the phils G.M. This team is a joke, and it starts at the top with Wren&Fredi. Dream on Braves fans
Costanza eliminates our CF need, eh?
Wow….never played in the majors.
July 29th, 20115:51 pm
How about some photos of our new leadoff man…
have I complained about the other 1/2 getting ready for games b4? stays home takes care of the kid (who takes a nap from 3:30-5:30 everyday). I would like to leave for the game at 6 and she just went upstairs to start getting ready (be lucky to leave by 7 and now I’ll have to get the little one up and ready).
Hell with it maybe we will just be l8 today I’m staying on the blog
My friend…Bob Sacamano…sez the word on the street is…Constanza is a baaaad man !!..And…a former member of the Van Buren Boys…Let’s get it on !!!
Chris from the Rock
The question is though, can Costanza be master of his domain?
July 29th, 20115:52 pm
he’s a cheap RH cfer
Cheap being the operative word
TommyP..we have some smart fans..right?
Pence is a real nice player whom i would really like to have even at what he will likely get in arb the next two years, but not having to pay what the “stros want in trade chips too.
“But the guys in here need to worry about the Florida Marlins [the next opponent”
Chipper doesnt have to worry about the Marlins – he’s sitting out the series
July 29th, 20115:53 pm
On base> outs
I don’t care how little power this guy has. He is the definition of a leadoff man. Slap hitter with LEGIT SPEED.
Cant wait to see what this guy does. I just hope they give him a fair chance to succeed and not just throw the .220 hitting Schafer in there just because he has cool tattoos.
Uhm, Suwanee Joe, hate to be the one to tell you, but Liberty Mutual has nothing to do with the Braves. Other than buying a few commercial slots on TV broadcasts and some signage around the park maybe. Could you be thinking of Liberty Media who owns the Braves?
I highly doubt we’ll get Pence. From the many articles it seems like the Braves gave up on him because they don’t want to part with Minor. I don’t see why they care it’s not like we have him on our roster. We have Beachy pitching instead.
The fact of the matter is that we do not stand a chance unless we go make a move for a big bat. No, a complimentary player such as Willingham or Ludwick will not suffice. We need a Quentin, Pence, or even Upton type player. Wren needs to realize that our offense was mediocre at best even for the few game we saw everyone healthy so for him to think all of our problems are going to be solved with health is irrational.
The difference between the Braves and the Phillies are that the Braves operate under a think now, win later state of mind… the Phillies operate under a win now, think later. The fact is, we have a legitimate shot at a World Series championship with the addition of one more piece in our lineup. I understand Wren not wanting to give up some of our elite pitching prospects but we have 4 of them, giving up one or two for the chance to win a World Series this year is worth it. We are not going to have a 10 man rotation down the road so Wren needs to realize at some point these pieces are going to need to be traded for value. I don’t see the point in waiting to the offseason to go after a big piece, years where you have a good shot at a World Series championship rarely come along, although we as Braves fan were spoiled by the 90’s. This is our best shot at a World Series and I believe that Wren needs to go out and get the bat that can make this happen.
OR if DOB knew, he’ll stay completely clear of any Dodgers/Braves discussions? Why?
The whole d*mn world threw him under the bus for NO REASON other than an agent manipulating DOB (the other guys – braves- press) to spike up the offer from the Dodgers to Furcal.
There’s no doubt it forced DOB into the corner because of a GREEDY, FVCKING agent. I felt so damn bad for DOB because someone blatantly leaked misinformation to him and COMPLETELY UNDERCUT HOURS OF DEDICATION AND COMPASSION FOR HIS PROFESSION.
That’s why DOB can’t mention anything about a ‘Kemp’ deal.
Blame it on Furcal’s stupid agent.
DOB – you the man, and we read you for your style and care, man. Don’t worry about leaking anything to us
i saw constanza play a couple of times- on mlb minor league tv- and i for one was impressed bunted successfuly for a hit , stole second. last game i saw he faked a bunt drew the third basemaen in that slap it past him into left then when pastornicky singled he and pastor did a double steal with constanza stealing third
Adam Jones, Matt Kemp, BJ Upton or its just a band aid and they will be looking again this time next year.
nolie – haven’t heard you opine on quentin
July 29th, 20115:54 pm
Best case scenario:
1.) Braves drive up the price on Pence. Phillies ante up their entire farm system and acquire Pence.
2.) Phillies sign Pence long-term.
3.) Pence becomes ineffective, much like a right-handed version of Nate McLouth.
4.) Phillies are stuck with bad contracts including an aging Ryan Howard and mediocre Hunter Pence.
5.) Phillies are unable to sign Cole Hamels long-term because of bad contracts and payroll issues.
6.) Phillies become a medicore team due to lack of prospects and payroll flexibility.
7.) Braves become NL East kings once again for the next decade or so and beat up on the Phillies and the Mets like it was the late 1990s.
Nice Chris! Let’s keep the Seinfeld references going.
July 29th, 20115:55 pm
Hit Seinfeld clean up I say…
We should trade for a hitting coach who can improve hitters… what in heavens has happened to JHeys swing this last 3 months…. are we the team where hitters come to die now?
I hope so too, Nick Saban. I doubt he will be the “right handed version of McLouth” though.
If Pence is out ? I would go with BJ Upton and go get CQ..you could probably get both for what Houston wants for Pence. Are what we offered Houston.
July 29th, 20115:56 pm
george- amen and our pitchers have more value now and will bring more than in the off season—
I live in Nashville and follow Vanderbilt. I wish the best for Mike Minor but he’s not David Price. He will probably be a good but never great starter someday; maybe a #3 or high 4 in a couple of years. With all the pitching talent in the Braves system and considering that the Bravos are 13th in the NL in AVG, 13th in OBP, 9th in RUNS and RBI, and 10th in OPS and with so many players on the DL or playing below expectations surely to goodness Mike Minor can’t be holding us up. Go get Pence or Quentin and let’s rock the NL!
Bobby. Just imagine what those home splits will be like if he hits in Philly! Many player hit better at home rather than on the road regardless of the ball park dimensions. The right field power alley at Turner Field is a killer to LHP. But the RH power alley should not impede a RH power hitter.
Folks, we got 11 hits and a walk last night and scored only two runs. I’d say we’ve got a deeper problem than just adding another bat. How many of ya’ll are happy with our game management?
July 29th, 20115:57 pm
Larry Parrish: Ok, kid. Im going to need you to completely forget everything you know about working counts and hitting the ball the other way. I need you to hit home runs. Home runs are cool.
Larry Parrish: Greeeat.
brekky dude how are you…might need to meet up with moe berg he is heading your direction
Michael Bourn should be the top target for Wren now in my opinion.
@superiorblogman – 2 of those guys are unavailable and the other is a selfish, clubhouse cancer that hits .230. Yeah, i’ll take the “band-aid.”
July 29th, 20115:58 pm
Speaking of Seinfeld references, we have the “second spitter” himself as the pitching coach.
For those who haven’t seen it yet. Hilarious. But kinda awkward to watch. Even by yourself.
McFann O O Get Well Soon, BMac!!!
Boy oh boy…we better wrap our remaining players in bubblewrap!! Lordy…
roto – I’m confused the right field power alley in turner field is very short so it hurts left handed pitchers or did you mean it is deep and hurts left handed batters?
Rowsdower: “A position of need” – Are you giving up on Heyward? Regarding road numbers, what no mention of .324 OBP or .767 OPS? Why, because they are below average for MLB RF? By the way, do you know where that ranks among MLB RFs this season? OBP is 18th (just ahead of Frenchy). OPS is 17th (just behind Frenchy). What do you know, you want Wren to mortgage the future for an overpaid version of Frenchy. You must be so proud.
Also, where do you come up with 30 SBs? He has 2 on the year away from Houston! Amazing math skills.
July 29th, 20115:59 pm
“6.) Phillies become a medicore team due to lack of prospects and payroll flexibility.
7.) Braves become NL East kings once again for the next decade or so and beat up on the Phillies and the Mets like it was the late 1990s.”
Braves carry only 8 position players and 17 pitchers trying to utilize all their blue chip, not for trade, pitching prospects.
Conyers Braves Fan
My first and only comment about this Braves mess:
Like some others have said, there will be some sort of deal(s) made beore the trade deadline. Will they be meaningful? Hope so but have my doubts
Constanza is like the backup QB, all fan bases think he’s better. There is a reason he’s making his debut at 27. Hope it works out.
If the Braves go to White Sox for CQ…also included there hitting coach GREG WALKER!!!!!!!!! in the deal.
July 29th, 20116:00 pm
@Bob – It isn’t game management. This team has been horrible with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs for YEARS. Situational hitting is a BIG part of the game. The Braves couldn’t be worse in those situations. With this pitching the Braves need every run they can get. If they scored that runner from 3rd even half the time they would be right up the Phillies asses and running away with the Wild Card.
When Constanza is standing on 3rd tonight with 1 out, let’s see if someone can put the damn ball in play…
July 29th, 20116:01 pm
Mark Bowman Knowing that it will be at least a few more weeks before Brian McCann returns
A COUPLE more weeks! A COUPLE!! Not a few…Think positive, Mark!!
I like him a bit less than Pence overall tiger, but I would not be averse to him being a Brave at all. Not sure why they would trade him, but their GM threw in the towel way early at least once B4.
The one guy I really do not want is Ludwig cause he does not normally hit lefties all that well, but you never know. anybody can get hot and help a team no matter how unexpected. Who would have thought that Burrell would have been such a help for SF last year?
You just never know, which is what makes all the angst about pickups pretty humorous.
Not that I’m not into the speculation too
nah I heard an ex scout say constanza steals home then don’t need a hit
July 29th, 20116:02 pm
Robert Sydney “Hurricane” Hazle (December 9, 1930 – April 25, 1992) is a former professional baseball player. He was an outfielder over parts of 3 seasons (1955, 1957-1958) with the Cincinnati Redlegs, Milwaukee Braves and Detroit Tigers. Hazle was a member of the 1957 World Series champion Braves. For his career he hit .310 with 9 home runs and 37 runs batted in in 110 games played.
Hazle debuted with the Reds late in the 1955 season, but made no impression. He was traded with Corky Valentine to the Milwaukee Braves in return for George Crowe the following spring, but did not appear in the big leagues. Playing for Wichita, he was hurt and reportedly considered quitting the sport.
Hazle is best remembered for his meteoric 1957 performance. He was promoted from Wichita only after outfielder Bill Bruton suffered a season-ending knee injury, and did not play until the Braves’ 100th game.
In less than three weeks, from August 9 through August 25, Hazle batted .473 with 5 home runs and 19 RBI in 14 games, a sudden burst of unexpected offense that earned him the nickname “Hurricane.” The original Hurricane Hazel had struck the coast of Hazle’s home state, South Carolina, in 1954.
The first-place Braves swept the second-place Cardinals on August 9-11, which went a long way towards sealing the National League pennant for Milwaukee; the first two games of the series were blowouts, and Hazle had seven hits and five RBI. He batted a torrid .556 in his first dozen games. For the season, Hazle bat .403 in 41 games, with 7 home runs and 27 RBI. On the next-to-last day of the season, Hazle broke up a no-hit bid by Cincinnati’s Johnny Klippstein with a two-out, eighth inning single.
Who knows — maybe history could repeat with Constanza!
murf4hof: Crisp makes $5.75million – cheap?
Anyone see the not top 10 today? Number ten was some lady in the suntrust club section and she freaks when a foul ball bounces off the screen in front of her.
July 29th, 20116:03 pm
After reading DOB, I say go with Quentin. And I want some bullpen help also. I am not going to give up on Schafer yet. Anyone who has been watching recent games knows that he has contributed in a lot of ways. I think his trajectory is upward.
fredo: good points about available trade market.
been many years since I’ve gotten into it…team as constructed is quite likely to make the playoffs…if we are hot this team can win it all…if we are not likely doesn’t matter who we might get in a trade
July 29th, 20116:04 pm
worst case to sabans best case. Pence is amazing and the phils spank our badonkadonks for the next 4 years
Yea, but can Constanza steal first??
July 29th, 20116:05 pm
Nick Saban: Could be a realistic scenario given what Phillies are rumored to have offered for Pence. I like it.
@Bobby – First off, Pence can play anywhere in the OF, so this move would not be giving up on Heyward. Chipper isn’t going to be around forever. Prado will eventually move back to 3B. Gonna have some openings in the OF over the next couple of years. Pence is locked up for 2 more years. Hmm…
Second, trading Minor and a few other pieces is hardly mortgaging the future. Were you planning on having a 7 man rotation in a few years? C, 1B, 2B, 3B and RF are locked up for the foreseeable future. Hmm…
And finally, stolen bases is not a road/home split metric. Stealing bases is stealing bases. It’s not like the bases are 88 ft in Houston…
but seriously– come now we only carry y twelve pitchers all of them starters– no need for any relievers– since we will have 12 blue chip starters that we hang on to by 2013- there are only ten for next year that is not too many to have on one team– many can be used for pinchitting also since many will be better hitters than what we have
As Frank Wren: Go along with your days and quit worrying about my business. The Dodgers have financial trouble its been in the works all year and I am the greatest you inferior beings will ever see.
Minor, Beachy, Schafer, and Consty (That’s why he is up people) for Matt Kemp.
We will wait to announce Sunday. Go back to eating liver cheese, crackers, and drinking Busch.
for the most part that is often true tiger. still find it an exciting time though
July 29th, 20116:06 pm
Thanks for the Diory info. Any chance he’ll clear waivers, and the Braves will be able to keep him?
DS1 – that is as likely as the line I was looking at for him 3-4 2 triples 3 SB
Nova Scotia Steve
Things are happening.
Ok, Joe Simpson.
With a .300+ BA, I don’t think he has to worry about stealing 1st base. Dude is going to put the ball in play and use his legs to do the rest. Kinda like what they want Schafer to do but he cant.
With all these injuries the Braves should trade Lowe to Detroit for a couple prospects and don’t make a big move for Pence/Bourn.
Assuming Chipper retires we are taking off 14,000,000 off the books. Lowe would remove 15,000,000. McLouth, Gonzo and KK would be a total of 16,500,000. That’s 35,500,000 freed up to go after some free agents like Reyes, Hardy, Swisher, Sizemore, etc…
July 29th, 20116:07 pm
Thanks for the info.
July 29th, 20116:08 pm
rotomeister: Houston’s park is much more hitter friendly. Away stats are reasonable base line or at least use park adjusted. Either way, Pence is slighlty above average or worse.
if no Pence get Quentin. he can play left field cause Chipper wont play 20 more games this year
I always hated the trade deadline part of the season ’cause I’m always “afraid” we’re gonna give away somebody I like (not meaning BMac, of course…don’t have to worry about that…).
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