First-rounder Gilmartin nearing Braves debut

First-round draft pick Sean Gilmartin is expected to make his Braves debut late next week in the Gulf Coast League, according to Braves director of player development Kurt Kemp.

Gilmartin, the Braves’ 28th overall pick in the draft out of FSU, signed for $1.134 million three weeks ago and has been building up his arm strength in Orlando after taking a six-week break from the mound. He is scheduled to throw two innings in a simulated game on Monday and two innings in his debut later in the week.

The Braves hope he can get in five or six starts before the season is out, moving up from the GCL to Single-A Rome.

Gilmartin, 6-1, 195 pounds, from Moorpark, Calif., was first-team All-ACC for Florida State. He went 12-1 with a 1.83 ERA last season to tie for the ACC lead in the wins as a junior. He struck out 122 and walked only 20 in 113 1/3 innings.

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DHD

July 29th, 2011
9:10 pm

BRAVESFAN

July 29th, 2011
9:13 pm

I would of signed for just 1 million dollars!

BRAVESFAN

July 29th, 2011
9:15 pm

Can he hit because Peachy Beachy needs him tonight in the lineup!

Buzz Capra

July 29th, 2011
9:16 pm

You go get ‘em, young man. Hope you can have a season like I did for the Braves back in 1974 and a few more.

Joseph

July 29th, 2011
9:16 pm

But are you a lefty BravesFan?

BravesfaninWis

July 29th, 2011
9:30 pm

Phillies got Pence. They said he was pulled from the game tonight and getting hugs in the dugout from his soon to be ex teammates. Philly fans must be ecstatic that they have a ownership group like they do that is committed to doing anything in their means to win a World Series. Much more then I can say for the Atlanta Braves.

sometimesiwonder

July 29th, 2011
9:37 pm

looks the bravos will make the blockbuster deal for ludwick,,,,,, sigh

BravesfaninWis

July 29th, 2011
9:41 pm

If the Braves trade for Ludwick, that will tell the Braves fans all they need to know about the dedication of this team.

123456789

July 29th, 2011
9:41 pm

if really pence goes to philladelphia im sure he go to batting around .200 and play under pressure with the worst fans in all MLBntiPhillies fans) ….braves go for Quentin ant still have the big 4 (vizc,teherab,minor and delgado)…plus i watch pence and he have 2 left feet ,,runs very weird hahhaahahah

BRAVESSSSSSSSSSSSS

BravesfaninWis

July 29th, 2011
9:43 pm

Braves won’t get Quentin either, they are to stupid lately to pull that type of trade off. Besides, any player of significance, their team is going to demand one of the Braves top pitching prospects which if they didn’t give any up to get Pence, they won’t give up any to get Quentin.

David the Shepherd

July 29th, 2011
9:47 pm

You gotta have faith, but sometimes you have to be bold and attack. Wren will pay a heavy price if he does not give us another weapon to fight the Giants and Philistines.

Doc Holliday

July 29th, 2011
9:47 pm

Another “objective” opinion from the company man, Joe Simpson This one on how smart the Braves brain trust has been over the years in trading players. Somebody needs to tell him he’ll never been taken seriously until he presents both sides of the issue and throws in an occasional mild critique. I guess the guys who host team banquets don’t do that. But I’d prefer someone else in the broadcast booth.

123456789

July 29th, 2011
9:49 pm

well who said hunter pence goes to have the same numbers in philladelphia???????

with a mediocre team like astros he play without pressure.

MARTEEEN!

July 29th, 2011
9:50 pm

I honestly believe that the front office is afraid to make a blockbuster type of deal because of the Mark Texiera backlash. It left a bad taste in everyones mouth. It seems like with all the pitching depth, they could afford to make a big trade and give up a pitching prospect or two and the Braves farm system would still be stacked.

123456789

July 29th, 2011
9:56 pm

yes MARTEEN I THINK THE SAME THING GM IS AFRAID TO MAKE THE SAME MYSTAKE LIKE 2007 TEX TRADE ….AT LEAST WE HAVE A YOUNG ARMS AND THE PHILLIES DONT HAVE ANYONE …. PLUS I THINK IF HAMELS IS FREE AGENT NEXT YEAR ALL PEOPLE WATCH HAMELS WEARING A BRONX UNIFORM

johnny smokes

July 29th, 2011
10:09 pm

the front office has given up on this year. they better not panic and trade a top pitching prospect for a second tier player.

Braves FaN

July 29th, 2011
10:11 pm

I think the Braves are still ok. We can still get by with just a decent bat because of all our pitching. I would go get BJ Upton or Quentin over Pence anyway but that is just me.

Braves FaN

July 29th, 2011
10:12 pm

Good win Bravos! I am so happy Uggla is turning it around and Freeman is turning into a monster!

bobby cerasuolo

July 29th, 2011
10:12 pm

Thank u Chicken Sh*t Wren. The Braves fan want to win and want to win now not 3 years from now so why not give up the farm to get someone away from the Phillies. I mean give up Minor Delgado Mclouth Gonzo and Lipka for Pence and Bourne, but does he no bc hes too much of a wuss to do it. So now If it was me as Gm I would now call up the Reds offer that same package and ask for Stubbs Travis Woods and Cairo.

DetroitBraves

July 29th, 2011
10:16 pm

@johnny smokes – totally agree. Now that they’ve missed on Pence the only thing that could make it worse is to panic and trade a good prospect for Ludwick or someone like that.

NRBQ

July 29th, 2011
10:25 pm

Damn! The brains are almost ankle-deep in here.

Bluestreak

July 29th, 2011
10:30 pm

It’s amazing to see some of the shortsightedness of Braves fans…and the trade deadline is still two days away. Seriously folks, back up from the ledge before you slip and fall off.

There are still several good pieces that we could add that would help us, and if its the right piece or pieces, you’ll be calling Wren shrewd for not getting fleeced by the Stros and for picking up who he did.

How many people who would have strung up Scherholtz and/or Wren for not trading for Texeria now wish that trade had never happened? Most, I’m sure.

Mike from the coast

July 29th, 2011
10:33 pm

I hate the negative hype from everyone. Yes the Phillies made a great improvement. Hurts us Braves fans. I really don’t think it is about this year. Think about our future. Think about all the talent for the future. Two 21 year olds in Freeman and Heyward, great arms coming up. We free up another 15 million after next year when Lowe is gone, about 8 million this year when KK is gone. Assuming Chipper makes it one more year and then retires that is another 14 million. We are in a position to add some real talent in a year and 3 months or so. The future is very bright. I know we all want to win it this year. But with that 37 million coming off the books we are built for a long run for a long time. I don’t think we should mortage the farm for the short term. Lets build a powerhouse for years to come, much like the 90’s Braves. This year we get Chipper healthy, McCann back etc. we have a pretty formidable lineup.

Just as an aside, enjoyed watching Constanze tonight, despite the one misplay on the fly ball.

Joseph

July 29th, 2011
10:40 pm

I have to thank you Mike and Bluestreak. Most of the “fans” you both point to, in my opinion view everything about the Braves from a negative perspective all the time. Big pitcher people. Let’s just enjoy a beautiful game and see what this team is capable of when they are healthy. Just my opinion. I think a deal is made tomorrow around lunch-time. Just my gut opinion.

JB

July 29th, 2011
10:48 pm

Mike, lowe is gone after this season. Mcout will be gone and KK as you noted. Chipper does have a year left but should just retire for the sake of the team. Gonzo will be gone also next year. Heyward is looking like the next frenchy so he may play his way out of atlanta if he can’t do better than .215 batting average. He strikes out more than mick jagger trying to land top notch a**! ( He is an ugly bastard). I still contend that we can pitch but the hitting is so bad that it will haunt us if we do make the postseason. Great pitching can hold teams down but you gotta score more than the other team to win simply put. The offense is 3rd worst in the NL. Pitiful

Mike from the coast

July 29th, 2011
10:49 pm

Agree Joseph. How many thought the Giants would knock off the Phillies last year. When we are healthy like our lineup and pitching. We have a chance to pull things out with the team we have. As Bluestreak says and I said think of the big picture. In two years the Phillies will be older and I’ll take our future talent against anyone. Again would rather stand pat than mortgage the future.

Noone, Alot, Loosers, Than, Then & To Much

July 29th, 2011
10:49 pm

If injuries and a few key players performing below their abilities hadn’t struck, the current roster wouldn’t need any deal.

Joseph

July 29th, 2011
10:55 pm

JB you are wrong on so many levels. Just to keep this short, I will point out that Lowe is not gone after this year automatically. I think he gets traded in the off-season or at least an attempt to do so. BUt Lowe is under contract for $15mil next year. What was the team comparisons in respect to hitting and pitching stats in 1995 between Braves and Indians? Best pitching team against the only team that won over 100 games in a shortened season and best hitting team. How did that turn out? Maybe a 1-0 victory to win the series? No pitching cannot beat hitting.

Mike from the coast

July 29th, 2011
10:55 pm

JB could be wrong but think Lowe has one more year. Anyway with a healthy lineup come October we MAY just surprise someone.

DetroitBraves

July 29th, 2011
11:02 pm

Speaking of being negative, Heyward is still only 21 and has been hurt part of this year (which is actually my greatest concern with him). Let’s not give up on him so quickly.

Mike from the coast

July 29th, 2011
11:05 pm

Wonder who writes the online headlines. Says Braves rout Marlins. Wasn’t the game I watched. It as in doubt till very late.

billmaier

July 29th, 2011
11:08 pm

bluestreak- yep the stros were fleecing the braves but settled for some lesser prospects from the phillies and sent them 1 million dollars – the only fleecing was by the phillies– like the guy on mlb said when you can trade for a star like pence without giving up anyone that anyone ever heard of you pulled a great deal minor, betancourt and simmons would have been a fleecing not by stros but by braves

billmaier

July 29th, 2011
11:12 pm

mike from the coast how would we be mortgaing our future by trading minor????? he is at best our ninth starter next year and beyond behind the current, fiveand medlen, teheran, viziciano, dlegado

batiatis

July 29th, 2011
11:18 pm

im not a very healthy person,might not be around next year,was hopeing to win this year,could not be sadder.

Joseph

July 29th, 2011
11:20 pm

billmaier….First, Minor is the only honest insurance policy this team has for a starter if something happens to any of the 5 and they go on the DL. Teheran is not ready for full duty. Mid-season next year yes, but today no. And second, Minor for Pence would never happen. They wanted Minor Delgado and Viz and another prospect. 4 sure things. Phils traded their best pitching and hitting prospects and “2 to be named later”. And we all know what the “to be named later” really means. Both teams agree on the players but don’t want to announce it for some reason. That or compensation players depending on what Pence produces. The Braves only hitting prospect the Astros would want is Gartrell. Really want to give that up when he has not had a game in the majors while Pence will probably get 12mil easy in arbitration alone next year. Pence is a really good player. The Phils just got better, but they are not unbeatable. Let’s see what happens tomorrow and Sunday before pressing the “forfeit” button.

Mike from the coast

July 29th, 2011
11:20 pm

Well I don’t know all the implications of the trade talk. IF it were just Minor only for someone like Beltran (know he’s gone now) then maybe. I just don’t like rentals for one shot at the playoffs. He’s a lefty starter which we don’t have, who may or may not develop. Really don’t like trading him within the division. If we were up by 5 games instead of down by 5 may do it. Don’t want to get desperate and trade away any talent for a rental. My opinion. Not sure one ;piece like Beltran would have got us through the playoffs.

Hit A Single

July 29th, 2011
11:23 pm

This Braves team has one intangible that I don’t see on other teams. That is chemistry. This Braves team has it. They seem to really pull for and appreciate each other. Plus they seem to accept their roles. I am like everybody else and would like to see a bat added, but I really see a wild card and a good run in the playoffs. I will take the Braves starting pitching and top three relievers in the playoffs anyday. We just have to stay healthy and get MCann and Chipper back and I am not sure a trade is needed now that Uggla is hitting. If Heyward would just figure out to hit like a hitter and not a smasher. Go Braves, twenty years after worst to first we are going to the Series again.

batiatis

July 29th, 2011
11:26 pm

phils must care for thier fans,they try to win every year.,i dont care how important stocking up pitching is if you cant hit,you cant win games.lets win in 2011!!!!! get a damn hitter screw pithing prospects!!

DetroitBraves

July 29th, 2011
11:26 pm

Not saying the Braves don’t have a good chemistry, but why do you say other teams don’t. Why don’t you think the Phillies have good chemistry?

Fab-Five Fredi

July 29th, 2011
11:26 pm

Mike from the Coast-Lot’s of if’s. Chipper is a shell of his former self. McCann is out for at LEAST TWO Weeks. McOut is on the DL. Right now the Braves have automatic outs in Heyward and Gonzales. Trading Minor and another pitcher would have been a small price to pay for a hitter whose 162 game average line for the last five years is .290 and 25 HR’s. Holding onto prospects..Right now, that is all they are.

billmaier

July 29th, 2011
11:29 pm

plus pence is good guy hustles quiet the type of guy that would have fit right in with the braves

luvthosedawgs68

July 29th, 2011
11:30 pm

First of all, Joe Simpson was right in his analysis of trades the Braves have made. There have been some good ones and some bad ones. The McGriff trade is one of the top 5 in MLB history. There is no way of knowing how certain trades will work out until a few years down the road. Also, remember that Ed Wade, the Astros GM, use to be in the Phillies front office, I’m sure that gave the Phillies a little bit of an advantage. I believe FW will pull the trigger on a right handed bat AND that you will all grumble about it. No matter how well that player does in a Braves uniform.

batiatis

July 29th, 2011
11:30 pm

i want quentin!

DetroitBraves

July 29th, 2011
11:32 pm

Mike Minor for Pence? You have to do that – insurance policy be damned. But of course, it wasn’t just Minor. When and if it comes out I bet we find out that the Astros insisted on Teheran or Vizcaino. I’m disappointed the Braves don’t have a big name and I’m disappointed that the big name ended up in Philadelphia. But if the only option was to trade one of the top 5 pitching prospects in baseball then Wren probably made the right decision, even if it wasn’t the most popular one.

billmaier

July 29th, 2011
11:34 pm

joseph phil gave up a 9-8 pitcher the other guy is at a ball and singleton was a 285 hitter the stros were only asking for one of the big four not three that wanted betancourt and simmons– phils did not give up that much where are you getting your info from not why mlb tv analyst are saying and it now is only one player to be named later one has been named the other a ball pitcher

batiatis

July 29th, 2011
11:36 pm

gm,s should be elected every 2 years from a braves voter registry.

Fab-Five Fredi

July 29th, 2011
11:36 pm

Luvthosedawgs68-What gave the Philly Pieholes the advantage was their willingness to part with their top pitching and top hitting prospects in their system for a guy who is only 28 averages 25 HR’s and under contract for two more years..

billmaier

July 29th, 2011
11:38 pm

both delegado and teheran looked better than minor i dont think that if someone went down they would ahve any trouble with teheran– and next year teheran, delegado, viziciano, and medlen should be rated above minor and for the future–

Braves Win!

July 29th, 2011
11:40 pm

Braves win? What? The wildcard! Yessss afraid so.The Braves are always about pitching. How about we don’t trade anyone? Keep our wildcard team? Take our chances Right? The Phillies just replaced Jason Werth with Pence. We have 7 or 8 minor league pitchers to promote over the next 5 years. That’s encouraging. Every Braves fan knows about the “help wanted” sorry “hitters wanted” signs at Turner Field these day! Love the 5 runs tonight! Wish it was the norm. Even the Phillies with a great pitching staff realized they need a hitter like Pence. If it were only pitching the Phillies would not have been looking a hitter with couple years left on his contract. The Braves will regret not making the Pence trade. What’s next? A rent a player like Upton, Ludwick, or Quentin! Nice move Frank! At least the Braves have ALL there top pitching prospects left to covet!

DetroitBraves

July 29th, 2011
11:41 pm

@billmaier, with the Braves it’s kind of the big 2, the next one, and then the other one, and then you move down the list from there. Minor is the other one. If the Astros felt Cosart has more upside than Minor then Minor wasn’t going to be centerpiece in the deal. You’re looking at dealing one of the big 2.

By the way, speaking of trades, Vizcaino came over in the Javier Vazquez deal. Remember how much people hated that one at the time?

ijudgenot

July 29th, 2011
11:41 pm

Whew, I thought for a minute that the Braves would get suckered in to giving up too much for Beltran or Pence. Now that they are off the Board I think Terehan, Visciano and Delgado are safe until next year. Now they can give up someone like Minor and Proctor for a center fielder or a corner outfielder with a little pop.

luvthosedawgs68

July 29th, 2011
11:41 pm

Fab Five, their top pitching prospect would be at single A Rome in the Braves system. As would Singleton.

Fab-Five Fredi

July 29th, 2011
11:47 pm

If the Astros were asking for Minor OR Oberholtzer and Bethancourt, Wren should have pulled the trigger..All reports indicated they preferred the Braves prospects..Again they are just prospects..Not saying deplete the farm, but use your prospects wisely to bring in the final pieces to build your major league team. The is to win the World Series, not watch the prospects playing on the farm and hoping they might ALL work out. For every Adam Wainwright given up, there are plenty of Jo-Jo Reyes and others to show that prospects are hit and miss..

luvthosedawgs68

July 29th, 2011
11:48 pm

It also shows you the difference between the Braves and Phillies farm systems. Not even close!

luvthosedawgs68

July 29th, 2011
11:49 pm

There is no way of knowing who was offered. Only speculation.

billmaier

July 29th, 2011
11:54 pm

the three players named are all at a ball so according to some the stros wanted from the braves two triple a pitchers and a double a pitcher but settled for two a ball pitchers and a a ball bat from the phils– how stupid do you think we fan are– theonly thing that held up the brave deal was wren not wanting to trade minor, stors wanted simmons and betancourt

billmaier

July 29th, 2011
11:57 pm

detriot brave yep cozart is 9-8 ant a ball so they wanted him more than minor- it has been said all along stors wanted the braves deal but wren refused minor why would th stors settle for three a ball player from the phils???

So Cal Brave

July 30th, 2011
12:07 am

The Phillies got Pence, but they sure paid a high price for him IMO. I think the Braves equivalent would have been Vizcaino, Bethancourt, a midlevel pitcher like Oberholtzer and a PTBNL

DetroitBraves

July 30th, 2011
12:12 am

billmaier – all I’m saying is we don’t know what the Astros wanted. If Minor was the best pitcher they asked for then yes, Wren deserves some criticism. If he was not then Wren may deserve some credit.

So Cal Brave

July 30th, 2011
12:20 am

@billmaier: both of those single A players are rated higher that our prospects. Besides, Cozart’s record of 9-8 in the minors means nothing. That kid has ome of the best fastballs in Baseball and a plus curve ball. He has yet to develop a change up, but once he does, he’ll be a legit front of the rotation starter. Minor is good and a lefty, but at best he’ll be a solid #3 starter.

Joseph

July 30th, 2011
12:21 am

Detroit bill knows all it seems. Just let it go and let him rant endlessly. Time to move on.

TheTed

July 30th, 2011
1:03 am

Its great to see new Braves take that first step. See you in Atlanta soon. This is where the Braves are far better than any current contender these days…homegrown talent. While all the Phillies are getting old, bloated, and the cash starts drying up in the next few years, the Braves will have a rush of new young talent at just about the time that a whole lot of bad money rolls off the books. Atlanta has a much larger window than the Phils do for future championships, by far. We’re talking 6+ years with all of our talent. I’m glad we didn’t sell the farm for a big name, next year and the year after that you’ll see what I mean. Pence just always struck me as a wierd lookin’ guy, he looks half cranked out of his mind every time I see him on TV.

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JMF

July 30th, 2011
7:36 am

Mike from the coast, excellent comments. Why mortgage the farm for a short term fix. Speking of the farm, we need to trade Lowe, not only to free up money but at the same time make an improvement in this year’s pitching rotation. Teheran is ready and an improvement. He also would be an excellent candidate when the playoffs start for relief. If we make onlyt\ one move, make this move, trade Lowe. Second issue: Chipper you stated a couple of years ago that you would retire when your skills and health did not meet the high standards you set for yourself. Well that time is here. After this season please retire.

tls

July 30th, 2011
7:40 am

Braves traded for an A ball pitcher once. The A ball pitcher had a losing record and high 4s ERA. To make matters worse, the guy we traded went 9-0 down the stretch and the other team went to
Series. The A ball pitcher was John Smoltz.
That said, really want Quentin and would give up ONE of the big four to get him.

JMF

July 30th, 2011
7:46 am

I still think pitching wins. How does this Braves team compare to last years world champions giants? They did not have a knock out lineup. When we made the trade that sent Wainwright to St. Louis, he was the throw in. We lost two pitchers and what did we receive. Frankly I do not remember but for sure St. Louis stills has Wainwright. (I know he is on the DL this year, but look at all the good years).

ExBraves Fan

July 30th, 2011
8:46 am

Phillies have the NL crown now. Braves are an after thought. This just goes to show you that the management of the Atlanta Braves is not going to spend any money, make any move to improve this team. The usual thing for them. They have all these so called great prospects and more than half of them ever pan out. The land scape is littered with ex-Braves so called greats to be that never opanned out. Some of those #1’s traded in the past are long gone from baseball. Remember the ones traded to Oakland a few years back? Never hear from them any more. Gone. The Braves collect hopes to be, and continue to use broken down 39 year old 3B that come off DL and immediately get hurt again. Get a clue. Chipper is broken down and done. Reminds me of Mickey Mantle in his last years. As great as The Mick was, he just could not stay on the field for injuries. Same with The Chip. Time is up for him, yet they own him another year or two on contracts. The failure at SS is telling. Took Uggggggggla more than half the season to hit. Think what would have been if he had hit all year. Same with the Flash In The Pan out in right field. Another Brad Komminsk or Frenchie??? Probably.

Mike

July 30th, 2011
9:23 am

If the Braves get Quentin and give up one our our young arms and another player or two, two things will happen. First, the “the Braves won’t make a treade” bloggers will be happy, maybe. Second, the bloggers that say we “gave away the future” will rise. Wren is in a no-win situation with all of you arm-chair GMs. I really wonder if you think the job is as easy as some of you think it is.

MURF4HOF

July 30th, 2011
9:26 am

told yall Wren said WEEKS AGO ehat we allready had the pieces to win.

dap01

July 30th, 2011
9:38 am

The next 1 1/2 day will determine if Wren is trying to win or trying to simply get by. We need difference makers, not below average role players.

Big Dude

July 30th, 2011
9:58 am

Send him up to Turner Field and get rid of D. Lowe. Or better yet, see who you can get for D. Lowe in a trade

philip

July 30th, 2011
10:16 am

Ok so we dont give what is needed to get hunter now we have to play against him for another few years. I sure hope we win a minor league championship with all these prospects. Freakin yay!

DetroitBraves

July 30th, 2011
10:17 am

I really think the Braves have tried to trade Lowe at least twice – this past offseason and over the last month. There just aren’t many takers for an aging pitching with declining stats and large $ committments. To deal him the Braves are going to have to eat salary and likely just get org players back. For a team screaming “budget” that may not be incentive enough to get him out of here. Wren may deserve blame for signing him to begin with, or at least as long as he did, but given the contract in place he’s probably stuck as far as dealing him.

DetroitBraves

July 30th, 2011
10:22 am

Mike, you’re right, of course. And we won’t have any idea which armchair GM is “right” for a long time. Personally, I wouldn’t be happy with the Braves over-valuing their prospects and not making a meaningful deal or the Braves trading their top guys for players not likely to make a difference. But yeah, it can’t possibly be an easy job for Frank Wren and figuring out who the right players are on either side, and balancing long-term vs. short-term value is not so black and white. There are many things he’s done I haven’t liked but I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt that Houston just asked for too much. I wanted Pence to end up here but not at any cost.

Dennis

July 30th, 2011
10:41 am

The Phillies payroll is above $175 million, more than double that of the Braves. A GM has to consider the years ahead, not just this year. The Phillies were able to buy Halladay, Lee and Oswalt. Now they face a salary in excess of $10M next year for Pence taking their payroll near Yankee levels. The Braves just do not have that kind of flexibility.

Additionally, for those wanting to trade away young arms (probably many of whom bitch about the trade for Texiera), remember we will probably lose Hanson and Jurjens when they reach free agency, barring new ownership and an increased budget.

Hank

July 30th, 2011
11:20 am

If we trade some of our pitching prospects for one player who will be a two month rental, or one who is no better than what we already have, you “fans” will be all over Wren’s ass for making dumb trades. Then you will restart next season wanting to trade for another “big” bat, and on Wren’s ass again. You “fans” just like to bitch. I use the ” ” because you are not Braves fans at all.

ExBraves Fan

July 30th, 2011
11:49 am

how long you been a “Braves fan” Hank? How long have you put up with the same ole same ole garbage out of this team? I have been around since 1966!!! I have seen it all from this team. You think you are THE Braves fan? Some of us are simply tired of 40 plus years of the same ole BS out of this team. One stinking WS win in 40 plus years. Those div crowns mean nothing. Those 4 WS losses do.

ray

July 30th, 2011
12:14 pm

here’s a big fifference between the Phillies and Braves: the Phillies pay several way over slot bonuses to sign draft picks that fall due to signability issues. The Braves refuse to pay more than 5 cents above. the end result is that the Phils have valuable 8th, 10th and 38th round picks to deal while the Braves are asked for a 7th overall (Minor) or a 2nd round pick (Simmons)
the Braves can’t afford to deal position prospects because they have so few good ones. Simmons is probably better than Pastornicky long term and Bethancourt is their top catcher to replace Mc Cann
the root of the problem is usually money and we are at a disadvantage – even though Wren lies about it publicly.
you should get ready for another bad desperation, panic trade. it’s coming by tomorrow.

DetroitBraves

July 30th, 2011
12:45 pm

@ray, I think you’re right about the draft. It not all about being cheap either. I was reading that Scheurholtz is on Bud Selig’s draft reform committee, so there are politics at play that deter the Braves from going over slot.

bring back blauser

July 30th, 2011
12:55 pm

in the offseason some of those prospects will be traded for quality and not a quick fix. i still believe braves will deal but the big trades will come in the off season

bvillebaron

July 30th, 2011
12:58 pm

Ex Braves Fan:

I am 59 years old and have been a Braves’ fan for 50 years which I think makes me a slightly longer fan than you–so what. Your constant negative haranges about the Braves are not only tiresome, but inaccurate. Winning 14 straight divisional crowns is a TREMENDOUS feat. Of coures, it’s disappointing to only win one World Series, but that’s baseball where the team that gets hot in a short series wins.

Why did the Giants and their woeful offense beat the Phils and their superior payroll and offense last year? One word: pitching. Pitching is also why the Braves are making the playoffs this year even without making a move. Once they get there, past experience has shown anything can happen in a short series.

I hope the Braves make a move to acquire a CF (I prefer Byrd) and a middle reliever, but not by mortgaging a very promising future by trading several of their top 4 pitching prospects, all of whom are major league ready or close to it. It’s not Wren’s fault that Ed Wade apparently thinks he still works for the Phils and accepted A level prospects from the Phils whereas he wanted 2 of the Braves’ top 4 pitching prospects, plus a lower level prospect from the Braves for Pence (I am sure Wren would have traded one of those prospects other than Teheran straight up for Pence). Sure, Pence is a good player and makes the Phils better and the favorite in the NL, but (1) some people act like he is the second coming of Hank Aaron or Willie Mays for gods sake and (2) he doesn’t guarantee the Phils win the WS (the Phils were going to win the division without adding Pence or anyone else). I realize that many are disappointed with Heyward’s progress this year, but he is still only 21 and has the talent to be a better player than Pence. Oh, how quickly we forget the Texeira fiasco.

P.S. By the way, since you are an “Ex Braves Fan”, why do you keep posting?

Ralph

July 30th, 2011
1:09 pm

$1.34 million, hell thats beer money for life.

bring back blauser

July 30th, 2011
1:13 pm

bvillebaron

total agreement

DetroitBraves

July 30th, 2011
2:12 pm

bvillebarons, I think you’re right except that the Giants beating the Phillies last year was because of two words: pitching and luck. People don’t like to acknowledge luck, or randomness, as a factor – it’s kind of human nature to try to explain everything. But the truth is, there is a lot of variability in baseball, that’s why they play 162 games. In a 7 game series? I mean it is true the Giants had good pitching but so did the Phillies. That’s why even without a trade the Braves shouldn’t be written off so easily. Can they make the playoffs? Of course. Will they be the favorites when they get there? Almost certainly not. Can they win it all anyway? Other teams will have better odds but sure, the deck isn’t stacked that much against them relative to everyone else.

DetroitBraves

July 30th, 2011
2:14 pm

Ralph, if you’re drinking Pabst (ummmmm, Pabst) that’s beer money for several lifetimes.

bvillebaron

July 30th, 2011
2:41 pm

DetroitBraves:

Yeah, you are right luck or randomness does play a role in it and I guess the Braves had a lot of bad luck during those 14 years. I just saw where Jayson Stark sort of confirmed my suspicion regarding Ed Wade and Pence. According to Jayson, Wren was aggravated that Wade wanted 2 of the Braves’ top 4 pitching prospects and 2 from the second tier for Pence, but accepted a middling package from the Phils (reminiscent of the Oswalt give away last year). Braves’ fans can only hope that Wade gets fired soon so that he will stop making sweetheart deals with the Phils and making Amaro look like some kind of a genius.

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