3:43 pm July 28, 2011, by David O'Brien
July 28th, 20114:34 pm
Looks like if the Phils can’t get Pence they’ll settle on Ludwick. lol
Dennis Reynolds – are you off your meds today? I’ve never seen someone so apoplectic over a swing. I can almost picture you sitting in a bare room screaming at the walls.
We all need to calm down. There is no way Frank Wren will trade one of his top four young (read: cheap)pitching prospects. After alll that has been written to generate interest in the paper and online, the Braves will end up with Ryan Ludwick or Josh Willingham to platoon with Heyward in right. They will trade a mid-range pitching prospect, win the wild-card and lose to the Giants in the first round of the playoffs. Guaranteed.
The Bream Team
Carlos Quentin is already on the top 3 all time baseball players to have their name start with a Q. Paul Quantrill and Dan Quisenberry also in the discussion.
How many players from this list do you think will become solid ML starting pitchers?
July 28th, 20114:35 pm
I like the idea of acquiring Quentin. Heyward will be alright given time, so a lot of people should get off his case. Baseball is a hard game, and all great players have had to go though a learning curve.
However, I am growing weary with the blackhole we have batting at shortstop, and the bench player Lugo. I want the Braves to cut Lugo, bring up Pastornicky, and begin to work him into the lineup. Let Gonzo mentor him and be a defensive replacement.
The A Bomb
Rosenthal: Braves all over the map right now.
Caps Lock doesn’t make your rants make any additional sense, Sweet Georgia Peach.
Also, the irony of calling others morons when you don’t know the difference between your and you’re kills me.
July 28th, 20114:36 pm
Do White Sox need a veteran SP with Sept/Oct experience? If so, maybe they want Lowe (and a prospect or 2) for Quentin.
Quentin does not make sense for the Braves if you have to give up anything of value. Heywards stats from last year are better than what Quentin is giving you currently. If Jason Heyward returns to last years form he is better than Quentin and much cheaper. Quentin is also not a longterm answer just a costly bandaid. Like I said, if you want to give away talent send Minor, Beachy, Schafer, and a lessor prospect for MATT KEMP and your problems are solved for the next decade. If you want a bandaid get a cheap one like Reed Johnson whose numbers are similar to what Heyward was giving last year. Don’t give up prospects for a band aid like Quentin whom is not a real upgrade if Heyward returns to last years form.
Bring him home McKay!
Hunter Pence, Hunter Pence
If you’re post here, at any point, includes…”play Prado at shortstop”…or…”"play Heyward in centerfield”…you should immediately cease posting… cos’ you have just shown… that your a complete and udder MORAN !!
Is this Dennis Reynolds cat “a little slow”?
Why do I have some horrible feeling that sending Heyward down is going to spiral this thing into a Colby Rasmus situation? Not that Heyward is going to complain and start a fight with his manager, but that the powers that be will end up selling Heyward off for .50 cents on the dollar at some point in the next two years. It’s a disgusting feeling that has to go away.
Carlos Quentin is already on the top 3 all time baseball players to have their name start with a Q. Paul Quantrill and Dan Quisenberry also in the discussion.
The other guy who’s name starts with a Q is going to be sad you left him out. Because I can’t imagine there are more than 4 such players.
The Ghost of Trenidad Hubbard.
Seriously, someone please explain why Heyward can go to the minors, but McLouth, Schafer, and Gonzalez get to stay in the lineup.
Girls don’t know baseball anyway. Go brush your hair.
I seriously hope you were joking with this comment, Dennis.
July 28th, 20114:37 pm
Something needs to happen Jim Hertel … I agree. Gonzalez always comes up with runners on … and I turn the channel or go the restroom (when I’m at turner field). I already know what’s going to happen.
Prado needs to learn to take a walk every now and again. I enjoy his enthusiasm and love.thar he never complained about the position change, but his poor at bats are damaging the team.
RC, Oddly enough, Quentin’s road numbers in 2011 are far and away better on the road than at home. It’s not even close to his career numbers.
.231/.332/.419/.750 with 6 homers, 19 RBI at home
.289/.371/.588/.959 with 14 homers, 43 RBI on the road.
# Prospect Lover
A voice of reason in a forest of nonsense. Thank you!
Come on Guys
July 28th, 20114:38 pm
Dennis Reynolds are you bi-polar? I love this franchise – F this franchise! I doubt DOB cares how much you respect him. Go Ga Peach give him HELL. D. R. you act like your opinion is the end all. Hayward sux right now and needs some pine time. Hunter Pence goes to the Phillies, you heard it here first.
Word is that LA is shopping Furcal. Think FW would be willing to overlook the past and try to upgrade the SS position?
Heyward to CF if this happens. He is much better than either other option in CF and has the speed to cover the ground out there. If Andrew Jones could cover CF while carrying 275 lbs., then J-Hey can do it.
I’ll give Prado this, he plays LF far better than he does 3B/2B.
If Heyward’s 2010 year was a fluke, Prado’s sure as hell was too….whoop
2010 wasn’t even his best year except for some counting stats sigh.
July 28th, 20114:39 pm
he can still help us I think.
hard to help much, if you’re not in the lineup.
lol finally someone with a sense of humor in here. I feel like the only non-basement dweller in here sometimes. No, im not quite to that point yet, but if the Braves cant see that Heywards swing is coming around and they essentially give up on him for the year, Ill be doing some yelling. But it wont be at walls. Fredi will def. hear it the next however many games I go to. I always give him sh1t towards the end of the game when we move down, but if he benches Heyward, he wont be able to think straight Ill be getting on him so bad.
@ace July 28th, 2011
No WSox do not need pitching. They just traded one because they had too many SPs.
sweet georgia peach, don’t understand much do you? Don’t worry, there will always be remedial labor when you grow up. I’m sure you’ll find something.. cleaning port-a-potties and such.
Pull your head outta your @ss smitty. Prado is doing way better than Heyward. He has ben pressing since coming off the DL, but come on man!
I’m sorry, but when the other roster spots are being used on Julio Lugo and Nate McLouth, I don’t see how you can justify sending Jason Heyward anywhere but CF. Heyward has the ability to be a difference maker, even if for one or two games at a time this season. Lugo and McLouth and even Schafer are less impactful players than Heyward (I don’t care how many stolen bases Schafer has, he’s getting on base less than Heyward and can’t drive in runs the way Heyward can).
I say that you either move Heyward to CF or you try Prado at CF or SS and let Gonzo be the backup SS.
I didn’t look at just the 2011 numbers….that is very strange. I guess it could be a sample size issue, or maybe there is something different about his game this year. Considering how many variables go into player performance, it’s impossible to make a guess without some inside information into Quentin’s lifestyle.
July 28th, 20114:40 pm
“Not that Heyward is going to complain and start a fight with his manager, but that the powers that be will end up selling Heyward off for .50 cents on the dollar at some point in the next two years. It’s a disgusting feeling that has to go away.”
For Heyward’s sake, I hope that happens.
RC you are 100% correct. Boras wanted Beltran to go to a place that would have gotten a huge amount of coverage and might be able top sign him long term
July 28th, 20114:41 pm
what i dont understand is everybody arguing over where to play quentin….it’s only a problem if you assume that chipper is now healthy and will stay healthy for the rest of the year….which as we all know is a ridiculous assumption…prado at 3rd quentin in lf heyward in rf chipper in the training room
Heyward has to be hurt though, Shaun. He is still walking but look at his ground ball rates.
The other metrics you mentioned are just going to make people call you a Pinko even though they reflect just how talented Heyward is when he produces at that level even though he’s almost certainly hurt.
July 28th, 20114:42 pm
I really wish we had better fans to talk baseball with. AK Transplant is the only one in here currently who has any clue. (sigh)
See this or a similar deal makes MUCH MORE SENSE. I hope everyone will chill and support Wren. He has sense and KNOWLEDGE that we dont so chill and know we will make a much BETTER trade than for Beltran in OUR division! Sheesh! That goes for you jumping the gun Beltren giddy writers! Hear that Bradley? Schultz? Which of you will be the voice of REASON from here on out? That applies to UGA and RICHT also!
We should do the same thing with Heyward that Colorado did with Carlos Gonzalez … move him to lead off so he can regain the patience he showed last year.
For the record, I would be for acquiring Furcal to be the starting SS, but only if we don’t have to give up Gonzo in the deal. Because the odds of Furcal getting hurt again are like 50%, so you need a backup plan for when/if that happens.
But if it doesn’t happen we might finally have a leadoff man.
Any organization that has Schafer, Lugo, Gonzalez, and McClouth getting regular at bats and thinks sending Heyward to AAA or the bench is the best way to deal with their offensive woes has a serious inability to prioritize problems.
cab – just catching up – expected to you respond…
What about me? I just had a tough nite last nite. It happens to everyone.
Here’s why it made sense not to trade Yunel Escobar in return for the black hole, Alex Gonzalez.
2011 – .310/.389/.447
Career – .292/.369/.405
28 years old
But NO ONE in the Braves organization regrets that trade, because Yunel was such a cancer. Now the Braves are scrambling for offense – ideally from the outfield – are happy with A-Gon at SS, and no answer at SS for next year, and perhaps beyond if Pastornicky proves only to be a scrappy, singles hitter with speed.
July 28th, 20114:43 pm
Former New York Yankees pitcher Hideki Irabu has been found dead at a home in a wealthy Los Angeles suburb of an apparent suicide.
J, let’s try this again:
Prado’s OPS+: 102
Heyward’s OPS+: 97
Prado’s Baseball Reference WAR: 0.7
Heyward’s Baseball Reference WAR: 1.2
Prado’s Runs Created: 38
Heyward’s Runs Created: 35
Prado’s Runs Created per Game: 4.0
Heyward’s Runs Created per Game: 4.4
Prado’s Offensive Winning Percentage: .460
Heyward’s Offensive Winning Percentage: .498
Prado’s FanGraphs WAR: 1.7
Heyward’s FanGraphs WAR: 0.9
Prado’s wOBA: .317
Heyward’s wOBA: .317
…but Prado is small, shows more emotion, has more pine tar on his uniform, has a higher RBI total and a better batting average so those who don’t bother digging beyond those things don’t think Prado deserves to go to the minors any more so than Heyward.
If they give up on Heyward for this season but keep Gonzo and Schafer around, it will speak volumes about the lack of competence the Braves front office has.
Bay Area Steve
July 28th, 20114:44 pm
I’m goin’ out on limb:
The Braves have no desire to sit/AAA/full-time platoon Heyward. Their desire is a CFer. What they are doing is trying to be in on all discussions, and drive prices up, for the Quentins and Pences of the world. If they come cheap, we take ‘em. If not, we’ve forced Philly to overpay.
Sitting Heyward against an occasional tough lefty is OK in my book. Maybe they just sat him once to give Wren some grist for the mill.
I think I hear a limb snapping…
Um, judging by his other dumbass posts, looks like he was pretty serious with that one, cab.
I agree 100% with this article,Heyward has shown nothing to make me think he’s going to catch fire over the last 2 months,in baseball you take your chances at a championship when ever you have them,cause you never know how long it will be before your in that position again!!!!! do the deal!!
Not to mention that SF has shown in the very recent past that they are quite willing to extend a large contract to a player based on their previous season’s performance. Aubrey Huff will be cashing checks for the next year and a half thanks to Sabean’s need to “reward” guys that won them a WS. (Burrell too)
Don’t like the idea of trading for CQ. I wish they would look at the real problem on this team which is SS. I said a few weeks back that the person that the Braves should be targeting in a trade is Bonafacio from Florida has anyone noticed what he has done the past few weeks?
This team should not be screwing with Heywards head, him Freeman and the young pitchers are the foundation of this team for the next 5 years don’t mess with it. I have a gut feeling that Nate and Jason are going to heat up. Go get Bonafacio and another bullpen arm and take your chances.
July 28th, 20114:45 pm
David, Why all of the Stupid songs at end of your Blog???
DOB, I thought more of you than this. How many .250 power-hitters do we have not getting on base? He’s carries a career .222 AVG vs. LHP with a below-average .345 OBP and an okay .450 SLG. We’re going to trade a top prospect for a year and 2 months of that? Not to mention his defense is terrible, not Gomes bad, but Willingham bad. In all of this we’ll still give up a top pitching prospect and have Schafer/McLouth mulling around and not getting on base, while we bench Heyward? I agree with you on Heyward, but between the injuries and not knowing where to bat him, Heyward hasn’t had a consistent batting order spot to grow into his entire MLB career. Turn the attention to Pence, Bourn, even Bourgeois and spell RF with McLouth/Schafer if Heyward gets worse.
DR, we ladies know a lot more about baseball than you think.
July 28th, 2011
wow, that’s awful. very sad.
Morons calling others moron…..this is funny stuff today!!
July 28th, 20114:46 pm
I really wish we had better fans to talk baseball with.
Dude, you’re letting your anger get the best of you, and you’re starting to lose your grip.
you know of a site similar to this for the Niners? The Mercury News site blows. With all that’s going on, the beat-writer is barely saying anything… And, certainly no commenters culling information like what happens here…
I’m guessing the next step is going to be “anonymous Braves players feel Heyward is a cancer to the clubhouse”
A trade for Carlos Quentin signals what I have felt all along. The Braves may not feel that Chipper Jones will make it through this campaign and certainly not the next. I am a huge Chipper fan, but the reality of it is that he is aging, at the end of his career and doesn’t appear that he can hold out. Quentin would man left, Martin Prado at third and you still have several huge chasms in the lineup: center field, right field and shortstop. Dan Uggla has struggled this season but is coming around. Freddie Freeman is solid at first base and Brian McCann was having a stellar season prior to his injury. Atlanta has two weeks without McCann and Quentin’s bat would certainly help them to bide their time. The pitching has GOT to be better over the next two weeks for the Braves to have a shot. The wild card race is getting tighter and tighter and the Phillies have Atlanta in their rear view mirror. While I have heard the bullpen rumors and agree that another bullpen arm is necessary for the playoff push, they need at least one more bat in addition to Quentin. If they could shed themselves of Nate McLouth’s salary and get a leadoff hitting center fielder, I could go with taking a chance on Jason Heyward coming around.
KJ, please define “udder MORAN” (4:36)
The Braves are looking for all Outfielders, But no centerfielders. Martin Prado is going to be the odd man out. They will not bench Heyward, Trust me ! Nor will they send him down, Watch !
Word is that LA is shopping Furcal. Think FW would be willing to overlook the past and try to upgrade the SS position?…RC
no way will Frank even think about it.and Ferkie stinks now anyway. We got a huge break when that deal went south
July 28th, 20114:47 pm
Add another name to the list
Lets try this: One cares and one doesn’t. One can hit, one can’t. Easy enough for you? One isn’t even a good fielder, one plays 3 different positions.
Sure will be interesting to see Quentin roaming CF. Seems like a really big CF.
Shawn: Get a life Man. Where did you get all of the stats??? Put your pants on and get out of your mother’s basement.
With the addition of Rasmus, looks like Toronto has no issues acquiring someone elses cancer. Maybe they want to be the Oakland Raiders (70s/80s) of baseball. Wonder if they are interested in BJ Upton or Hanley Rameriez?
sweet georgia peach obviously knows nothing about baseball. Why would you do away with a 22 year old five tool guy when you have veterans that aren’t stinking the place up
Noleeee, I don’t see Atlanta doing that because of the way Furcal and his agent handled the free agency situation a couple years ago. I would love to see anyone not named Gonzalez at shortstop.
Mitch McConnell's Chins
July 28th, 20114:48 pm
No trades, and we’re not going to compromise on that.
Sending Heyward down would be dicey. The Giants sent Willie McCovey to the minors during his second season, after he was Rookie of the Year. He came out pretty good, but the players are more sensitive today. Sending Frenchy down pretty much ended his Braves career.
Is Dom Chiti Harry Chiti’s kid?
@ Kelly’s Johnson
Look ‘em up here:
Your posts will be much more credible.
I cannot figure out what these people are thinking about. Clearly, the better decision is to option Schafer than Heyward. IT”S SO OBVIOUS!!!
This is super frustrating reading all this hate for Heyward. Quentin does NOT make sense for the Braves.
DOB – you’re obviously sleep deprived, buddy. I can’t believe this stuff.
Thanks for your concern, but Im fine. Its just frustrating to read the nonsense in here.
I think Prado might actually be out of minor league options, although I do agree with your general point about Heyward v. Prado. Expectations are greatly clouding the view of his performance this year. Has he been a disappointment? Absolutely. Has he been a bigger dissappointment than Prado, McLouth, or Schafer? Definitely. Is he still good enough that even a vastly disappointing Heyward is better than a slightly disappointing McLouth and Schafer? Yep. But people get so wrapped up in the perception of what they want him to be that they can’t appreciate him for what he is (or in this cause, what he’s not).
Shaun spent the last blog convincing everyone that BJ Upton is a better player than Barry Bonds because of his outfield versatility, then ignores the versatility when it’s inconvenient. Prado does play 4 legit positions, and apparently the Braves can’t play Heyward anywhere but RF. Kelly Johnson’s not walking through that door.
July 28th, 20114:49 pm
I read Matt Maiocco’s column on occasion, but his board is not nearly as…lively. I follow his tweets, which are very good. He used to be…can’t remember now but he’s with CSN now. I have found he is as close to DOB as the Niners have
Singles hitters are not what this team needs. Situational hitting perhaps. You where on the blog with me till 2 in the morning in the marahton game. How many singles had the Braves had during the first two games of the series? Over 20 singles. The Braves need a bopper in the lineup is my opinion. Situational hitting is lacking in the lineup so that is why I do not favor persay going and getting a leadoff bat like Bourn.
Bream Team — I’ve never understood why the Varsity doesn’t have a stand somewhere at Turner Field, either. It seems like it would be a no-brainer. It’s not the best food in the world, but you know they’d do great business.
PDOG, Emilio Bonafacio is not even taking a chance. He’s suicide. Keep moving.
An Prado can play CF as well. He plays CF during winter ball anyway
Sending Frenchy down pretty much ended his Braves career.
Really? I’d argue that a complete lack of understanding of the strike zone and a “football mentality” pretty much ended Frenchy’s Braves career.
July 28th, 20114:50 pm
No, he doesn’t. He played LF, and he hasn’t been to winter ball in 2 years.
J, I just showed you that they’ve been virtually equal so far. When you can provide proof that one cares more than the other, let us know.
If you’re post here, at any point, includes…”play Prado at shortstop”…or…””play Heyward in centerfield”…you should immediately cease posting… cos’ you have just shown… that your a complete and udder MORAN !!- Kelly’s Johnson
Does not compute I can’t stop reading this the irony is great!!
Shaun, I also watch every game and there is a huge diffrerence. I wish you boy Heyward was half of what he should be right now. We would be in fron of Philly. I also love how he sits out with a bruised foot when we have a 40 yeard old man that played with a torn knee
At this point it sounds like the Braves are in on just about every RH outfielder with a pulse. To me that says that Frank Wren has basically filled his drawers.
July 28th, 20114:51 pm
Upton has one thing going for him. His road splits are much higher than his home splits. I am not a huge Upton supporter but delving into his numbers was interesting to see just how much success he has had away from Tropicana.
I feel like the only non-basement dweller in here sometimes….. Dennis
that is funny, I don’t care who you are. absolutely made my day.
I love the idea of Gimper packing all his stuff and heading for the nearest Hooters.
I don’t see anyone’s point about Prado being sent down at all. That’s not going to happen. He is vital to this team. He hasn’t had the season he had last season but neither have a number of players including Alex Gonzalez, Derek Lowe or even Chipper Jones. Don’t get your point at all about Marteeen.
July 28th, 20114:52 pm
None of these guys make sense for the Braves:
Pence, Willingham, Ludwick, Bourn or Quentin
Thanks for your concern, but Im fine. Its just frustrating to read the nonsense in here.
Perhaps so. But it might be best to develop some cred here before lambasting that of others.
“I really wish we had better fans to talk baseball with. AK Transplant is the only one in here currently who has any clue. (sigh)”
Really? He’s made three comments: (1) Beachy, Delgado, Hoover and Cunningham for Ubaldo and Betancourt; (2) told sweet ga peach to go to the basement and have her mother fix her a snack; (3) told sweet ga peach that she would be working in remedial (?) labor when she grows up.
I’m not quite sure what remedial labor is, but I am fairly certain that the Braves are not looking for number 1 or 2 starter, and that the Rockies would laugh Frank Wren out of the room with that package.
I agree with all of your points. Very well said.
Some points of my own:
1. This talk about benching or sending Heyward to the minors and replacing him with Quentin is ludicrous. He’s not great, but he’s only 21 (or 22), and he’s still a threat every time he walks to the plate, which cannot be said for McLouth or Gonzalez. If someone is going to be benched, let’s start with those guys. Prado can play everywhere on the diamond, why not short?
2. Which brings me to my next point, just shut up about Prado. He was the team MVP last season and a career .300 hitter in over 1800 plate appearances. There is nothing fluky about him, as evidenced by the fact that he’s consistently regarded among players and managers as one of the most underrated players in the game. Anyone who seriously has a beef with Prado’s performance since he’s come back from the DL either has an unreasonably short memory or hasn’t a clue about baseball.
July 28th, 20114:53 pm
Thank you, cab.
From the previous blog which had 3,269 comments, noleeee led the way with 113 posts. There were 358 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
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20 Mixxo 36
21 Eric 35
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