I think DOB made reference to any message it might send to Jason
“It’s too late in the season to worry about feelings and stepping on toes, don’t you think?”
And really, they haven’t got Quentin yet. While Quentin is more than just rumors everything about Jason going anywhere is nothing but pure speculation. Fredi is the manager, DOB is just giving his personal opinion on matters, Fredi is the one that will decide (if they get him) where he’ll play. Maybe he’ll play left, or center, or right field. Heck maybe Fredi will put him in at 3rd or even Shortstop in place of Alex from time to time.
BRAVES do not deserve Heyward. He needs to be playing, everyday, to overcome his sophomore slump. Quentin is a nice piece but at the expense of young Heyward. Terrible idea if true.
Carlos Quentin is an excellent player but he makes no sense for this team unless Heyward is moved to CF. I just don’t see sending Heyward to the minors and keeping Schafer on the major league roster (when he is healthy). In case no one has noticed, Jordan Schafer is terrible and the team already has to carry that slug at SS on the major league roster.
By the way, if the Braves are trading a young controllable pitcher then why not trade him for a young controllable hitter like Dayan Viciedo. He isn’t a CF either but he, like Mike Minor, has 6 years of team control left.
Although Quentin makes good sense as a RH bat, a Bourn pickup would just be another angle to getting us to the ultimate goal…
It doesn’t matter if we get a RH or LH bat… We just need someone who can hit – either getting on base with some speed, or who can hit decent average and hit some out…
Bourn would be just as good a pick-up… Maybe even better… We become a little more of a speed team with him and Schafer…
I would lose the little respect I have left for this organization if they demote Heyward while the likes of Schafer is still in the lineup.
It makes absolutely no sense that they have no trouble sticking with the rest of these scrubs, but are willing to give up on Heyward at the first sign of trouble.
Love the tune from Bruce. Always on my top ten list of songs from the Boss.
Now you have me listening to another top 10 song from the list
Incident On 57th Street.
Let’s all hope w\the Braves now go out and get Carlos.
by the way, I contend that the Boss would not have gained popularity and label attention
without the influence of David Sancious . That man help give the sound to all the early
operatic songs from Bruce.
theo williams… where do you get that they made that offer for quentin and frasor…? that seems like we are getting a lot in return.. seems like we would have to overpay since they dont HAVE to get rid of him and are only 3.5 out… they wont just give up on the season
sweet ga peach-
You are like most Braves fans in here. They really don’t know the fundamentals of the game and have probably never played. You see the lack of results from your TV but really don’t pay attn. to much else.
Im not even going to begin to break down Heywards swing and how its improved because it’d be over your head, but know this- Heyward is swinging the bat well and seeing the ball finally. Once he starts seeing some results, you’ll be like all the rest of the fair-weather fans who really don’t know anything about the game and jump back on his bandwagon. God, I wish I was a Boston fan sometimes. Those fans know the game inside and out.
good trade for the bat but sending heyward down, or even platooning him is not the right move. im still pissed we didnt go after rasmus, he could have been our CF of the present AND future. its not too late for bourn, and possibly upton. that is what we need.
What does it say that we would trade Minor for this guy and not Beltran? Extra year means nothing given that we will mostly likely have to get rid of somebody to cover salary?
Chipper cannot stay healthy at this stage, Heyward needs to think about adjusting his swing, he locks himself up too often, and rarely has a fluid swing. Gonzolez is an out looking for a pitcher. Uggla seems to have recovered. We have to make a trade to take some pressure off the pitching staff.
Love the possibility. I’d give up any of our four “untouchable” young arms except Teheran for him. Yes! Vizcaino, Delgado or Minor. Bring this guy in here. Too much good not to do it.
mlbbowman Mark Bowman
RHP Anthony Varvaro recalled from Gwinnett. Wilkin Ramirez optioned. Varvaro provides depth in taxed pen
This would have to mean that Chipper is good to go today or tomorrow – else we are going to be thin on OFs – Prado,McLouth, Heyward and Hinske. Or would have to start Prado at LF and rely on Lugo and Brooks to cover 3rd.
Heyward needs to learn humility? Where in the hell is all of this crap coming from?
Now I hope the Braves do trade Heyward, for his sake. He’s about to go through the same BS that Yunel Escobar went through. He doesn’t deserve this at all, and I’m looking forward to seeing him on a much better franchise
A free swinging corner outfielder that sucks defenively. I don’t understand how he makes sense for us. Not buying it. I really hope this doesn’t go down. Get us BOURN.
“I still feel bad for j hey. However, it might be necessary. Still not sure if is rather have quentin or pence. Pence obviously costs more.”
I could be a blessing in disguise. Maybe some time on the bench or in AAA will give him extra motivation to fix whatever is wrong with him at the plate.
I would still prefer Pence – hits for better average – much faster – better overall player – we need the best player possible to compete in this tough NL(philly,SF)
Getting Bourn in CF would solve so many problems now and in the future. Let’s get Quentin and Borne and let Heyward go to the minors and get straightened out.
Most of their singles come befor Gonzo comes to bat though which means a double play, pop up, or a strike out. Bourne can make one of those singles a triple and maybe we can get him in before Gonzo comes to bat.
I say get Quentin, send Heyward down until the call up in September and if he gets going let Prado become the Super Utility guy he really is, I mean does anybody really think we’re going to get much from Chipper. He’s all but done. Play him when you can but keep Prado ready to fill in. I would rather have Pence who has hit NL pitching and won’t have to learn the pitchers like Quentin, but he may cost too much in Wrens eyes.
DaveinNEPA – I wondered the same, which means it must be Minor at the center of the deal, someone who can pitch in the majors now. There’s no way they would trade an everyday player for a minor leaguer while they’re contention, would they?
Heyward can’t play CF…he can barely play RF… JS and McLouth cover most of RF for him….who catches the ball if the CF can get to it too…sure isn’t Heyward. And whoever said Heyward is hitting better than Prado isn’t watching the same games I am.
Where is everyone getting this “Heyward isnt humble” thing? Is it because he doesnt smile often, because from everything I’ve read so far it seems like Freeman and Heyward are great guys – confident in their abilities but grounded. If you dont like his production say so and stop right there.
I don’t want to bench Heyward, but he does need some time to get going again, and in the stretch, the Braves don’t have the luxury of letting him do more “on the job training” in the Bigs.
With Wilkin Ramirez being sent down today, anybody think the deal’s already done? Wilkin was bad out in right last night. Just bad, bad, bad.
you can’t compare heyward and shafer…..corner guys are supposed to provide offense, the middle of the field is for strong defense, a team can carry a middle infielderor CF who is struggling offfensively as long as they are not making errors….the braves were winning consistently with their strong up the middle defense….shafer would have had the ball that split prado and mcclouth in last nights game….heyward has been struggling offensively and defensively, rightfield is not his birthright, if the braves can get aa
Im not one to brag about things, especially on a blog site where your anonymous and could be some 50 year old loser in his mom’s basement. But I know hitting. I have watched (sadly) pretty much every at-bat Heyward has had since he’s been up. He’s tucking his front shoulder and staying on the ball now. His stance is MUCH more balanced now and he’s about to get really hot.
You know, I want to Braves to go all the way more than anyone in here, but in a way, it wouldn’t be a good thing. How embarrassing will it be if we win the World Series and next season we still only have 20,000 ppl showing up to games? Very. And that would be exactly what would happen.
Wren will go in house for BP help (i.e. Varvaro) and Ramirez being sent down could imply Wren is gonna get Quentin and then Proctor will be DFA’ed when he comes.
I can’t believe all the Heyward sniffing in here. He has sucked the whole year and has done little to nothing to fix the problems with his swing. And he seems unconcerned about how far he has regressed. Maybe benching him or sending him down would wake him up and give him a kick in the arse – he appears to need one!
You give us HOPE. I just hope Frank Wren doesn’t pull the ole “bait and switch” like the CUBS did for years to their fans. That is, telling us he is trying to acquire Carlos Quentin or Hunter Pence (with no intention of trading for either), and then trading for TOTAL bargain-basement BUMS like Ryan Ludwick or Josh Willingham.
Frank Wren, this is your CHANCE to gain the admiration and RESPECT of Braves nation. Do NOT blow it. Anything other than Pence, Quentin, or BJ Upton will be disaster.
Prado is a fine number 2 hitter and I think he’s overrated as a hitter(and especially as a baserunner after last night) but he is a motivator for the team and there’s something to be said for having that kind of guy on your team. But McClouth and Schafer haven’t really provided much of anything. If we could get Bourne and a Quentin/Pence then great but the price might be too high for both.
Anyone on this blog that can’t see that Heyward is not a gold glove outfielder and needs lots of help this season with the bat is putting potential in front of capability, the potential comes down the road when he wakes up and doesn’t have all the answers (remember Francour).
Gee’s, some of you must like to read what you write !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Quentin plan sounds reasonable as to where he would play. The reality is J-Hey would still get plenty of playing time considering the likelyhood of injuries. But I would prefer Marlin Byrd first, then Quentin.
But it does create intersting possibilities on who is the odd man out when a deal is made. There are only 5 backup positions and 3 (catcher, SS, & Hinske) are locks. So it would come down to J-Hey, Nate, or Conrad unless Braves keep 6 backups and go with a smaller bullpen which would be dumb and not very likely.
And after watching Lugo last night, it made me wish for AGon to get back in the lineup. Gotta carry a backup SS but this is not working. Can we get one of the AAAA guys up here and see if Arizona is desparate enough for a SS they would take Lugo?
Heyward has struggled but will get it together. Plain and simple we need a Center fielder. Michael Bourn is a perfect fit and if it takes Mike Minor so be it. Remember he was supposed to be in the rotation this year but Beachy beat him out, along with our 3 other studs coming up and Medlan due back we could part with him and it wont hurt. Like it was stated in the article above, its easier to find a corner outfielder so if Chipper does retire at the end of the season then we go get the corner outfielder. Despite Heywards struggles Center field and a lead off hitter are more pressing and Bourn takes care of both of those, plus he leads the league in steals.
You have lost a considerable about of respect and credibility from me today. As much baseball as you watch, I would think you would catch onto the little things like what kind of ABs players are putting up and how they’re approaches change throughout the year. If you actually agree with benching Heyward for Quentin, you don’t understand the game as much as I thought you did.
Prado was not a fluke in 2010. He is still pretty fresh back from a dang staph infection. Those things affect more than just the flesh they immediately infect. I want to see him do better, of course, but I really think he’s still recovering.
The second line are Jason Heyward’s avg/obp/slug for just this season.
The first line are Carlos Quentin’s CAREER road splits. He could easily be an upgrade, and he does hit LHP well. But his upside is pretty limited at this point, and he gets a HUGE boost from his home ballpark, which is quite a bit smaller than the Ted.
(In case anyone was wondering, Quentin’s numbers at home are .270/.370/.535. If we were getting those numbers I’d make the trade in a second.)
The people who want us to make a move for this year need to understand that one piece this year doesn’t turn this roster into 2011 World Series favorites. While this team may be close, we aren’t there yet. We’re trending in the right direction. It would be better to remain status quo than to do anything that will disrupt that trend when thinking about 2011 and 2011 alone.
Moving some of the pitching will be a better idea in the off-season when you aren’t focused just on the next three months.
There’s more to being a winning baseball team than that one season that you’re currently in, and the long-term goal and long-term talent in the minor leagues means more to the Braves than it does for some of these other teams that are competing for the same thing this year. We’re operating on a budget around $75 million less than that of the Philadelphia Phillies. We can’t just patch a hole and then be left with no organizational depth. We can’t go out and sign someone like a Cliff Lee after you trade your pitching prospects away the deadline before.
I hear what you are saying … but what is Alex Gonzalez being overlooked? This dude is a guaranteed double play in a scoring situation. At least Heyward is a threat which is why teams pitch him so darn tough.
If we can get a bat at shortstop with above average defense, I would take that over getting an outfielder who hits with a little more average than heyward, but doesn’t possess the speed which would essentially slow down an already slow team.
I say Alex should be on the block over trying getting heyward out of the lineup. We were patient with Uggla … let’s be patient with Heyward. We already know what we are getting with Gonzalez and that’s great defense and a double play ground out on offense.
sweet georgia peach, how about going back down to the basement.. tell your mother to fix your snack. Once you mature a little and can form knowledgeable sentences.. then you can come back to the blog and throw your 2 cents in.
Heyward just isn’t getting it done and it’s about the team. I really like the flexibility that he affords us too with Prado being able to play third. BUT I WOULD NOT SEND HIM DOWN.
Heyward is too popular of a player, whether he’s struggling/injured or not, he can still help us I think.
RE: The other Carlos. NY beat writer Joel Sherman hinted that Beltran wanted to play for SF, Philthy, or the Mets. No one else.
This is not that suprising. Boras is VERY adept at getting his players moved to situations that are beneficial for the player, to the disgust of many media members and fans. I don’t like that he’s able to do that, but NY was the one that agreed to a no-trade clause, so Boras was simply doing his job in having his client leverage that to be moved to the best situation for him.
I don’t know if someone have mentioned this on this blog, But I think the odd man out is Prado. He is not a natural outfielder. I won’t be surprised if Prado is included in a trade.
What would be the value of Haywood discussing an injury after Chipper’s comments earlier this season? The young man may very well be doing exactly what the team leader requested, just be a presence in the line-up even if he isn’t fully healthy.
With Quentin or Bourn, you have to worry just a little about them moving from hitters’ parks to Turner. Don’t expect the same production from either one. That said, the Braves need some offense …
…but Prado is small, shows more emotion, has more pine tar on his uniform, has a higher RBI total and a better batting average so those who don’t bother digging beyond those things don’t think Prado deserves to go to the minors any more so than Heyward.
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Linebrink for Cy
July 28th, 2011
4:10 pm
I think DOB made reference to any message it might send to Jason
“It’s too late in the season to worry about feelings and stepping on toes, don’t you think?”
And really, they haven’t got Quentin yet. While Quentin is more than just rumors everything about Jason going anywhere is nothing but pure speculation. Fredi is the manager, DOB is just giving his personal opinion on matters, Fredi is the one that will decide (if they get him) where he’ll play. Maybe he’ll play left, or center, or right field. Heck maybe Fredi will put him in at 3rd or even Shortstop in place of Alex from time to time.
admiral
July 28th, 2011
4:10 pm
@Braves Queen, I’ve read that – what I’m saying is that I’ve never really seen an explanation as to why not…
No, No, No
July 28th, 2011
4:10 pm
BRAVES do not deserve Heyward. He needs to be playing, everyday, to overcome his sophomore slump. Quentin is a nice piece but at the expense of young Heyward. Terrible idea if true.
JT Grace
July 28th, 2011
4:10 pm
Carlos Quentin is an excellent player but he makes no sense for this team unless Heyward is moved to CF. I just don’t see sending Heyward to the minors and keeping Schafer on the major league roster (when he is healthy). In case no one has noticed, Jordan Schafer is terrible and the team already has to carry that slug at SS on the major league roster.
By the way, if the Braves are trading a young controllable pitcher then why not trade him for a young controllable hitter like Dayan Viciedo. He isn’t a CF either but he, like Mike Minor, has 6 years of team control left.
Richham
July 28th, 2011
4:10 pm
I don’t know why the Braves aren’t thinking outside of the box. The Orioles stink, big time and they are in a bruiser division.
A. Jones anyone? A.Vizcaino and J. Heyward?
Nick
July 28th, 2011
4:11 pm
CF Bourn LF Prado 3B Chipper RF Quentin 1B Freeman 2B Uggla C Ross SS Pastornicky
Lowcountry Bulldawg
July 28th, 2011
4:11 pm
Braves Queen-
Nope sure dont. I just voice my OPINION.
Chief Nock A Homa
July 28th, 2011
4:11 pm
Although Quentin makes good sense as a RH bat, a Bourn pickup would just be another angle to getting us to the ultimate goal…
It doesn’t matter if we get a RH or LH bat… We just need someone who can hit – either getting on base with some speed, or who can hit decent average and hit some out…
Bourn would be just as good a pick-up… Maybe even better… We become a little more of a speed team with him and Schafer…
Whoop
July 28th, 2011
4:11 pm
I would lose the little respect I have left for this organization if they demote Heyward while the likes of Schafer is still in the lineup.
It makes absolutely no sense that they have no trouble sticking with the rest of these scrubs, but are willing to give up on Heyward at the first sign of trouble.
No, No, No
July 28th, 2011
4:11 pm
Why not trade Prado? He is having the same season as Heyward, right?
O'Brien's Brain
July 28th, 2011
4:12 pm
Love the tune from Bruce. Always on my top ten list of songs from the Boss.
Now you have me listening to another top 10 song from the list
Incident On 57th Street.
Let’s all hope w\the Braves now go out and get Carlos.
by the way, I contend that the Boss would not have gained popularity and label attention
without the influence of David Sancious . That man help give the sound to all the early
operatic songs from Bruce.
avery
July 28th, 2011
4:13 pm
theo williams… where do you get that they made that offer for quentin and frasor…? that seems like we are getting a lot in return.. seems like we would have to overpay since they dont HAVE to get rid of him and are only 3.5 out… they wont just give up on the season
Dennis Reynolds
July 28th, 2011
4:13 pm
sweet ga peach-
You are like most Braves fans in here. They really don’t know the fundamentals of the game and have probably never played. You see the lack of results from your TV but really don’t pay attn. to much else.
Im not even going to begin to break down Heywards swing and how its improved because it’d be over your head, but know this- Heyward is swinging the bat well and seeing the ball finally. Once he starts seeing some results, you’ll be like all the rest of the fair-weather fans who really don’t know anything about the game and jump back on his bandwagon. God, I wish I was a Boston fan sometimes. Those fans know the game inside and out.
CrαZy
July 28th, 2011
4:13 pm
F this organization.
Then find another teams blog to spray your douchejuice on….BYE BYE
marietta mustard
July 28th, 2011
4:13 pm
good trade for the bat but sending heyward down, or even platooning him is not the right move. im still pissed we didnt go after rasmus, he could have been our CF of the present AND future. its not too late for bourn, and possibly upton. that is what we need.
Fan in NOVA
July 28th, 2011
4:13 pm
What does it say that we would trade Minor for this guy and not Beltran? Extra year means nothing given that we will mostly likely have to get rid of somebody to cover salary?
sweet georgia peach
July 28th, 2011
4:14 pm
DENNIS
DaveinNEPA
July 28th, 2011
4:14 pm
The fly in the ointment for me with Quentin is that the White Sox are only 3-4 games off the pace in their division.
In what parallel universe would they trade a guy like Quentin when they are still in the race?????????
Dennis Reynolds
July 28th, 2011
4:14 pm
WHOOP-
ABSOLUTELY!!
Glenn
July 28th, 2011
4:14 pm
Chipper cannot stay healthy at this stage, Heyward needs to think about adjusting his swing, he locks himself up too often, and rarely has a fluid swing. Gonzolez is an out looking for a pitcher. Uggla seems to have recovered. We have to make a trade to take some pressure off the pitching staff.
Paul
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
I dont know, would a benching of Heyward , or sending him down be bad for the young kid?
sweet georgia peach
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
DENNIS EVEN IF HE HITS I WOULD HOPE THE BRAVES TRADE HIM FOR BETTER TALENT. THE BEST HE WILL EVER BE IS A 250 HITTER
Sweet Old Buck
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
Love the possibility. I’d give up any of our four “untouchable” young arms except Teheran for him. Yes! Vizcaino, Delgado or Minor. Bring this guy in here. Too much good not to do it.
Snotboogie
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
mlbbowman Mark Bowman
RHP Anthony Varvaro recalled from Gwinnett. Wilkin Ramirez optioned. Varvaro provides depth in taxed pen
This would have to mean that Chipper is good to go today or tomorrow – else we are going to be thin on OFs – Prado,McLouth, Heyward and Hinske. Or would have to start Prado at LF and rely on Lugo and Brooks to cover 3rd.
Whoop
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
Heyward needs to learn humility? Where in the hell is all of this crap coming from?
Now I hope the Braves do trade Heyward, for his sake. He’s about to go through the same BS that Yunel Escobar went through. He doesn’t deserve this at all, and I’m looking forward to seeing him on a much better franchise
CrαZy
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
Richham
Did you just suggest A. Jones for A.Vizcaino and J. Heyward? If so that might win the award for stupid trade idea of the day!!
Steve
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
A free swinging corner outfielder that sucks defenively. I don’t understand how he makes sense for us. Not buying it. I really hope this doesn’t go down. Get us BOURN.
Bob
July 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
Could Mr. Wren be considering trading Jason Heyward?
AlabamaBrave
July 28th, 2011
4:16 pm
Just Wanna Say
July 28th, 2011
3:53 pm
“I still feel bad for j hey. However, it might be necessary. Still not sure if is rather have quentin or pence. Pence obviously costs more.”
I could be a blessing in disguise. Maybe some time on the bench or in AAA will give him extra motivation to fix whatever is wrong with him at the plate.
Herschel Talker
July 28th, 2011
4:16 pm
“But if, for some reason, Chipper decides to call it a career after this season”
For some reason? Here are some, take your pick:
He’s old
He’s gimpy
He misses every other game
His salary is an impediment to team success
longislandbravesfan
July 28th, 2011
4:16 pm
I would still prefer Pence – hits for better average – much faster – better overall player – we need the best player possible to compete in this tough NL(philly,SF)
faninva
July 28th, 2011
4:16 pm
Why not trade Prado? He is having the same season as Heyward, right?
all except batting almost 50 points higher than jhey and half as many strikeouts – plus he can play “take me out to the ballgame” on the organ.
ncscoots
July 28th, 2011
4:16 pm
In what parallel universe would they trade a guy like Quentin when they are still in the race?
a thought upon which I have noodled, my own self. Kenny has been known to raise the white flag and never look back, but even so…
Trojan
July 28th, 2011
4:17 pm
Getting Bourn in CF would solve so many problems now and in the future. Let’s get Quentin and Borne and let Heyward go to the minors and get straightened out.
hairydawg
July 28th, 2011
4:17 pm
Most of their singles come befor Gonzo comes to bat though which means a double play, pop up, or a strike out. Bourne can make one of those singles a triple and maybe we can get him in before Gonzo comes to bat.
I say get Quentin, send Heyward down until the call up in September and if he gets going let Prado become the Super Utility guy he really is, I mean does anybody really think we’re going to get much from Chipper. He’s all but done. Play him when you can but keep Prado ready to fill in. I would rather have Pence who has hit NL pitching and won’t have to learn the pitchers like Quentin, but he may cost too much in Wrens eyes.
admiral
July 28th, 2011
4:17 pm
DaveinNEPA – I wondered the same, which means it must be Minor at the center of the deal, someone who can pitch in the majors now. There’s no way they would trade an everyday player for a minor leaguer while they’re contention, would they?
sweet georgia peach
July 28th, 2011
4:17 pm
BOB I HOPE SO
FlyOnTheWall
July 28th, 2011
4:17 pm
Heyward can’t play CF…he can barely play RF… JS and McLouth cover most of RF for him….who catches the ball if the CF can get to it too…sure isn’t Heyward. And whoever said Heyward is hitting better than Prado isn’t watching the same games I am.
Do the deal…we need a power bat now!
Whoop
July 28th, 2011
4:18 pm
I know people like to treat Prado as some kind of god, but he’s sucked as much as anyone else on the team
hairydawg
July 28th, 2011
4:18 pm
Maybe we should even go ahead and start easing Heyward into CF, thats what he should play anyway.
Furman Bitcher
July 28th, 2011
4:18 pm
BRING HIM OR BOURNE ON.
Snotboogie
July 28th, 2011
4:18 pm
Where is everyone getting this “Heyward isnt humble” thing? Is it because he doesnt smile often, because from everything I’ve read so far it seems like Freeman and Heyward are great guys – confident in their abilities but grounded. If you dont like his production say so and stop right there.
bravesgrl4lifeeee
July 28th, 2011
4:18 pm
I don’t want to bench Heyward, but he does need some time to get going again, and in the stretch, the Braves don’t have the luxury of letting him do more “on the job training” in the Bigs.
With Wilkin Ramirez being sent down today, anybody think the deal’s already done? Wilkin was bad out in right last night. Just bad, bad, bad.
semiballcoach
July 28th, 2011
4:18 pm
you can’t compare heyward and shafer…..corner guys are supposed to provide offense, the middle of the field is for strong defense, a team can carry a middle infielderor CF who is struggling offfensively as long as they are not making errors….the braves were winning consistently with their strong up the middle defense….shafer would have had the ball that split prado and mcclouth in last nights game….heyward has been struggling offensively and defensively, rightfield is not his birthright, if the braves can get aa
The Dude Abides
July 28th, 2011
4:18 pm
We are not going to trade Heyward, get that sh*t outta your mind. The dudes only 21 years old, let him adjust.
Dennis Reynolds
July 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
Im not one to brag about things, especially on a blog site where your anonymous and could be some 50 year old loser in his mom’s basement. But I know hitting. I have watched (sadly) pretty much every at-bat Heyward has had since he’s been up. He’s tucking his front shoulder and staying on the ball now. His stance is MUCH more balanced now and he’s about to get really hot.
You know, I want to Braves to go all the way more than anyone in here, but in a way, it wouldn’t be a good thing. How embarrassing will it be if we win the World Series and next season we still only have 20,000 ppl showing up to games? Very. And that would be exactly what would happen.
CrαZy
July 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
Since the Sox are still in it is there a small chance that McLouth may go to the Sox with a prospect or two for Quentin?
Linebrink for Cy
July 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
“What does it say that we would trade Minor for this guy and not Beltran?”
It means Wren was treading carefully about trading a top prospect to a division rival for a rental.
BravesQueen
July 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
Jones still not in lineup tonight:
#Braves lineup: 1. McLouth cf, 2. Prado 3b, 3. Freeman 1b, 4. Uggla 2b, 5. Hinske lf, 6. Ross c, 7. Heyward rf, 8. Gonzalez ss, 9. Lowe p
sweet georgia peach
July 28th, 2011
4:20 pm
DENNIS YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!
Furman Bitcher
July 28th, 2011
4:20 pm
Shuddduup Whoop, Prado has played a heck of a lot better that Heyward
Furman Bitcher
July 28th, 2011
4:21 pm
Dennis for batting coach
semiballcoach
July 28th, 2011
4:21 pm
freeman has made adjustments all year, game to game and even pitch-to-pitch….heyward hasn’t, or doesn’t appear to have
Dennis Reynolds
July 28th, 2011
4:21 pm
sweet ga peach-
Do you enjoy “Cotton-Eyed Joe” when you go to games at Turner Field?
Whoop
July 28th, 2011
4:21 pm
Please, Prado has sucked as much as anyone. If Heyward’s 2010 year was a fluke, Prado’s sure as hell was too.
CrαZy
July 28th, 2011
4:22 pm
Geez….. the morons are out early today!!
BFChris26
July 28th, 2011
4:22 pm
Here’s what I’m thinking….
Wren will go in house for BP help (i.e. Varvaro) and Ramirez being sent down could imply Wren is gonna get Quentin and then Proctor will be DFA’ed when he comes.
Furman Bitcher
July 28th, 2011
4:22 pm
Come on he is hitting .270 and has slumped a little since coming back.
mountain_jim
July 28th, 2011
4:23 pm
I can’t believe all the Heyward sniffing in here. He has sucked the whole year and has done little to nothing to fix the problems with his swing. And he seems unconcerned about how far he has regressed. Maybe benching him or sending him down would wake him up and give him a kick in the arse – he appears to need one!
Benching him against lefties was a good start.
sweet georgia peach
July 28th, 2011
4:23 pm
HEYWARD=FRANCOUER
FREEMAN=MCCANN
COMPRENDE DENNIS THE IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rafael
July 28th, 2011
4:23 pm
David,
EXCELLENT article and sports journalism.
You give us HOPE. I just hope Frank Wren doesn’t pull the ole “bait and switch” like the CUBS did for years to their fans. That is, telling us he is trying to acquire Carlos Quentin or Hunter Pence (with no intention of trading for either), and then trading for TOTAL bargain-basement BUMS like Ryan Ludwick or Josh Willingham.
Frank Wren, this is your CHANCE to gain the admiration and RESPECT of Braves nation. Do NOT blow it. Anything other than Pence, Quentin, or BJ Upton will be disaster.
BravesQueen
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
and then Proctor will be DFA’ed when he comes.
Gosh, I hope at least this part is correct, if nothing else.
hairydawg
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
Prado is a fine number 2 hitter and I think he’s overrated as a hitter(and especially as a baserunner after last night) but he is a motivator for the team and there’s something to be said for having that kind of guy on your team. But McClouth and Schafer haven’t really provided much of anything. If we could get Bourne and a Quentin/Pence then great but the price might be too high for both.
alanfalcon
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
Anyone on this blog that can’t see that Heyward is not a gold glove outfielder and needs lots of help this season with the bat is putting potential in front of capability, the potential comes down the road when he wakes up and doesn’t have all the answers (remember Francour).
Gee’s, some of you must like to read what you write !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerry Blooger
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
I thought Freeman was the future of the franchise
Snotboogie
July 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
With Wilkin Ramirez being sent down today, anybody think the deal’s already done? Wilkin was bad out in right last night. Just bad, bad, bad.
The next 4 games are started by RHP. So Heyward will be expected to start in RF for all of them.
It's out of here.....
July 28th, 2011
4:25 pm
Quentin is the best option of him or Pense, Bourne or even Beltran.
GET HIM NOW!
It’s a must not an option.
TomTomClub
July 28th, 2011
4:25 pm
Light of the world, shine on me, BOURN is the answer!!!!! Cecil Flowe is on to something!!!!! Go Braves!
Heisenberg
July 28th, 2011
4:25 pm
The Quentin plan sounds reasonable as to where he would play. The reality is J-Hey would still get plenty of playing time considering the likelyhood of injuries. But I would prefer Marlin Byrd first, then Quentin.
But it does create intersting possibilities on who is the odd man out when a deal is made. There are only 5 backup positions and 3 (catcher, SS, & Hinske) are locks. So it would come down to J-Hey, Nate, or Conrad unless Braves keep 6 backups and go with a smaller bullpen which would be dumb and not very likely.
And after watching Lugo last night, it made me wish for AGon to get back in the lineup. Gotta carry a backup SS but this is not working. Can we get one of the AAAA guys up here and see if Arizona is desparate enough for a SS they would take Lugo?
Arkansas Transplant
July 28th, 2011
4:25 pm
Beachy, Delgado, Hoover and Cummingham for Ubaldo Jimenez and Betancourt.
The A Bomb
July 28th, 2011
4:26 pm
Well… if we do get Quentin Big Red will be happy. Man he destroyed Hanson last season.
Snotboogie
July 28th, 2011
4:27 pm
Since the Sox are still in it is there a small chance that McLouth may go to the Sox with a prospect or two for Quentin?
W.Ramirez just got sent down. Who plays CF then, because he cant be brought back up unless there is an injury.
TampaDAWG
July 28th, 2011
4:27 pm
Heyward has struggled but will get it together. Plain and simple we need a Center fielder. Michael Bourn is a perfect fit and if it takes Mike Minor so be it. Remember he was supposed to be in the rotation this year but Beachy beat him out, along with our 3 other studs coming up and Medlan due back we could part with him and it wont hurt. Like it was stated in the article above, its easier to find a corner outfielder so if Chipper does retire at the end of the season then we go get the corner outfielder. Despite Heywards struggles Center field and a lead off hitter are more pressing and Bourn takes care of both of those, plus he leads the league in steals.
CrαZy
July 28th, 2011
4:27 pm
sweet georgia peach
It’s still way too early for the McCann / Frenchy comparisons to Heyward / Freeman.
Astro Joe
July 28th, 2011
4:27 pm
Quentin hits lefties very well (unlike Beltran). But why would the CWS trade him when they are within striking distance of the post-season?
sweet georgia peach
July 28th, 2011
4:27 pm
ARKANSAS YOU RELATED TO DENNIS BECAUSE YOUR AN IDIOT TOO YEAH WE NEED MORE PITCHING THATS WHAT WE NEED WOW WHAT A MORON
Dennis Reynolds
July 28th, 2011
4:27 pm
DOB
You have lost a considerable about of respect and credibility from me today. As much baseball as you watch, I would think you would catch onto the little things like what kind of ABs players are putting up and how they’re approaches change throughout the year. If you actually agree with benching Heyward for Quentin, you don’t understand the game as much as I thought you did.
OPEN YOUR EYES.
YE19
July 28th, 2011
4:28 pm
Whoop 4:21 pm – “Please, Prado has sucked as much as anyone. If Heyward’s 2010 year was a fluke, Prado’s sure as hell was too.”
Have you looked at Prado’s career numbers, in MLB and minors? 2010 was no fluke. Great season, but no fluke. Get a grip.
choozer
July 28th, 2011
4:28 pm
abeeeewright, yeah-you-right!
BFChris26
July 28th, 2011
4:28 pm
Why not do a deal of….
Minor/Bethancourt/Brett O or Gearrin/Alex Gonzalez for Quentin/Ramirez, possibly add Frasor, if not then in house will probably be BP help.
Piedmont Blues
July 28th, 2011
4:28 pm
Herschel Talker,
RE: The other Carlos. NY beat writer Joel Sherman hinted that Beltran wanted to play for SF, Philthy, or the Mets. No one else. http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/july_trades_equal_an_amazin_victory_j751GF3ZfPpb7Oz3C9dHJL
bravesgrl4lifeeee
July 28th, 2011
4:29 pm
Prado was not a fluke in 2010. He is still pretty fresh back from a dang staph infection. Those things affect more than just the flesh they immediately infect. I want to see him do better, of course, but I really think he’s still recovering.
RC
July 28th, 2011
4:30 pm
.237/.326/.449
.222/.311/.404
The second line are Jason Heyward’s avg/obp/slug for just this season.
The first line are Carlos Quentin’s CAREER road splits. He could easily be an upgrade, and he does hit LHP well. But his upside is pretty limited at this point, and he gets a HUGE boost from his home ballpark, which is quite a bit smaller than the Ted.
(In case anyone was wondering, Quentin’s numbers at home are .270/.370/.535. If we were getting those numbers I’d make the trade in a second.)
Prospect Lover
July 28th, 2011
4:30 pm
The people who want us to make a move for this year need to understand that one piece this year doesn’t turn this roster into 2011 World Series favorites. While this team may be close, we aren’t there yet. We’re trending in the right direction. It would be better to remain status quo than to do anything that will disrupt that trend when thinking about 2011 and 2011 alone.
Moving some of the pitching will be a better idea in the off-season when you aren’t focused just on the next three months.
There’s more to being a winning baseball team than that one season that you’re currently in, and the long-term goal and long-term talent in the minor leagues means more to the Braves than it does for some of these other teams that are competing for the same thing this year. We’re operating on a budget around $75 million less than that of the Philadelphia Phillies. We can’t just patch a hole and then be left with no organizational depth. We can’t go out and sign someone like a Cliff Lee after you trade your pitching prospects away the deadline before.
The Bream Team
July 28th, 2011
4:30 pm
I think Turner Field should add a Varsity to the concourse
bravesgrl4lifeeee
July 28th, 2011
4:30 pm
I’m sure, Dennis, that DOB really cares
Theo Williams
July 28th, 2011
4:31 pm
Lowcountry, a single usually knocks in 2 runs when you have runners on 2nd and 3rd. That’s something no one on the Braves have been able to do.
Mike
July 28th, 2011
4:31 pm
I hear what you are saying … but what is Alex Gonzalez being overlooked? This dude is a guaranteed double play in a scoring situation. At least Heyward is a threat which is why teams pitch him so darn tough.
If we can get a bat at shortstop with above average defense, I would take that over getting an outfielder who hits with a little more average than heyward, but doesn’t possess the speed which would essentially slow down an already slow team.
I say Alex should be on the block over trying getting heyward out of the lineup. We were patient with Uggla … let’s be patient with Heyward. We already know what we are getting with Gonzalez and that’s great defense and a double play ground out on offense.
Arkansas Transplant
July 28th, 2011
4:31 pm
sweet georgia peach, how about going back down to the basement.. tell your mother to fix your snack. Once you mature a little and can form knowledgeable sentences.. then you can come back to the blog and throw your 2 cents in.
Scoop
July 28th, 2011
4:31 pm
Great analysis DOB and I agree.
Heyward just isn’t getting it done and it’s about the team. I really like the flexibility that he affords us too with Prado being able to play third. BUT I WOULD NOT SEND HIM DOWN.
Heyward is too popular of a player, whether he’s struggling/injured or not, he can still help us I think.
mountain_jim
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
ROFL at above Dennis Reynolds 4:27 post
faninva
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
Please, Prado has sucked as much as anyone. If Heyward’s 2010 year was a fluke, Prado’s sure as hell was too.
and a fluke in 2009 when he batted .307
and a fluke in 2008 when he batted .320
and since becoming a major league player, a .300 career average.
RC
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
RE: The other Carlos. NY beat writer Joel Sherman hinted that Beltran wanted to play for SF, Philthy, or the Mets. No one else.
This is not that suprising. Boras is VERY adept at getting his players moved to situations that are beneficial for the player, to the disgust of many media members and fans. I don’t like that he’s able to do that, but NY was the one that agreed to a no-trade clause, so Boras was simply doing his job in having his client leverage that to be moved to the best situation for him.
Dumbfound
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
I don’t know if someone have mentioned this on this blog, But I think the odd man out is Prado. He is not a natural outfielder. I won’t be surprised if Prado is included in a trade.
Dennis Reynolds
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
Bravesgrl4lifeee
Its not the point if he cares or not. Girls don’t know baseball anyway. Go brush your hair.
Astro Joe
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
What would be the value of Haywood discussing an injury after Chipper’s comments earlier this season? The young man may very well be doing exactly what the team leader requested, just be a presence in the line-up even if he isn’t fully healthy.
sweet georgia peach
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
ARKANSAS STFU YOU ARE CRAZY TO THINK WE NEED MORE PITCHING
admiral
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
The Bream Team….good call.
Piedmont Blues
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
With Quentin or Bourn, you have to worry just a little about them moving from hitters’ parks to Turner. Don’t expect the same production from either one. That said, the Braves need some offense …
Shaun
July 28th, 2011
4:32 pm
Prado’s OPS+: 102
Heyward’s OPS+: 97
Prado’s Baseball Reference WAR: 0.7
Heyward’s Baseball Reference WAR: 1.2
Prado’s Runs Created: 38
Heyward’s Runs Created: 35
Prado’s Runs Created per Game: 4.0
Heyward’s Runs Created per Game: 4.4
Prado’s Offensive Winning Percentage: .460
Heyward’s Offensive Winning Percentage: .498
Prado’s FanGraphs WAR: 1.7
Heyward’s FanGraphs WAR: 0.9
Prado’s wOBA: .317
Heyward’s wOBA: .317
…but Prado is small, shows more emotion, has more pine tar on his uniform, has a higher RBI total and a better batting average so those who don’t bother digging beyond those things don’t think Prado deserves to go to the minors any more so than Heyward.