With McCann on DL, Braves not panicking in trade talks

When Brian McCann strained an oblique muscle in his left side Tuesday, Braves general manager Frank Wren did not hurriedly call New York and cave to the Mets’ demand for a top pitching prospect in a trade for Carlos Beltran.

Some Braves fans probably wished he would have.

With the Sunday non-waiver trade deadline approaching, folks are getting anxious about the Braves, whose already inconsistent offense was dealt a big blow with the injury to McCann during Tuesday’s 19-inning marathon win against Pittsburgh.

The All-Star catcher strained his side making a throw to second base in the 10th inning and was placed on the 15-day disabled list Wednesday.

Veteran backup David Ross will serve as primary catcher until McCann returns and journeyman J.C. Boscan was recalled from Triple-A Gwinnett to serve as backup.

“It’s very frustrating,” said McCann, who hopes to return after 15 days. “The timing of it — it’s the second, maybe third time I’ve been on the DL — I pride myself on getting out there every day. It’s frustrating, but I need to get this thing healed so it doesn’t turn into something a lot longer.”

Center fielder Jordan Schafer, the team’s leadoff hitter, also landed on the DL Wednesday for lingering soreness in his left middle finger, from the chip fracture he sustained last week when he jammed his hand into second base on a head-first slide at Colorado.

Outfielder Wilkin Ramirez was recalled from Gwinnett and in the lineup Wednesday in place of right fielder Jason Heyward, who was hitting .167 against left-handers. Pirates lefty Paul Maholm started Wednesday.

With their best hitter (McCann) and only serious stolen-base threat (Schafer) on the DL, and Chipper Jones having just returned from arthroscopic knee surgery and now nursing a sore quadriceps that limited him to pinch-hitter for the past two games, conventional wisdom said the Braves would feel a bit more of a sense of urgency to make a trade for offense.

Braves general manager Frank Wren said on Wednesday that was not the case.

“We feel the same today about the deadline and our needs as we did yesterday before the injuries,” he replied in a text message

Manager Fredi Gonzalez was asked if the Braves would be “forced” to make a trade.

“We were looking at it, trying to improve the team before Mac got hurt,” Gonzalez said. “Obviously [the need] changes a little bit. But I think that we were going to try to improve the club no matter what. If Mac hadn’t gotten hurt, I think we were in position to improve the club somehow.”

He laughed and added, “The asking price got a little higher, right? Some of the other clubs – ‘ah, yeah, you need something really bad now, right?’”

The Braves were involved in the pursuit of Beltran, but the Mets worked a trade with San Francisco on Wednesday. The Giants would give up a top pitching prospect in the proposed deal.

Cardinals center fielder Colby Rasmus was traded to Toronto on Wednesday, but it was unclear if the Braves had much interest in him anyway.

There were plenty of other outfielders available or potentially available for trade, and the Braves are known to have interest in Houston’s Hunter Pence, arguably the best in that group. Others that Braves officials are believed to be discussing include outfielders Ryan Ludwick (Padres), Michael Bourn (Astros) and Marlon Byrd (Cubs), and possibly B.J. Upton (Rays).

Bourn is a left-handed batter and the Braves prefer adding a righty, but his speed and all-around ability have at least been discussed by the Braves.

The Astros have made known their reluctance to trade the affable All-Star Pence, but a package of young talent including at least one top pitching prospect might get their attention. The Braves have plenty of pitching prospects, but so far have declined to include any of their big four – Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino, Randall Delgado, left-hander Mike Minor – in any trade offers.

Teheran and Vizcaino are considered untouchable, and the Braves don’t want to trade either of the others for a three-month rental player. They wouldn’t have to in order to land one of the lesser players on their list, including a Ludwick or Byrd.

To get a better player under contractual control beyond 2011, such as Pence, it’s possible the Braves would consider a package that includes a pitching prospect not named Teheran or Vizcaino.

Meanwhile, McCann said he wished he could get a do-over and not make the awkward throw he made attempting to throw out a base-stealer.

“I hate not being on the field. There’s not a worse feeling,” he said. “Hopefully Chipper comes back in the next couple of days and we get full strength going into September … We’ve got the best backup catcher in baseball. We’re not going to miss a beat. It’s why he’s so valuable to this team.”

The Braves acquired veteran catcher Wil Nieves from the Brewers organization in a minor trade for cash considerations. Nieves will share catching duties at Gwinnett with Wilkin Castillo.

242 comments Add your comment

DHD

July 27th, 2011
8:40 pm

Tbraves

July 27th, 2011
8:45 pm

Tell me something new…same old stuff…

We arent going to get any impact players…lets hope Minor, Delgado, Beachy, Vizcaino and Teheran can also hit

poop

July 27th, 2011
8:46 pm

G

July 27th, 2011
8:50 pm

This is the same old Wren… The guy is a weak leader and hasn’t made a deal or signing that has worked yet, so who thinks he will start now?

Farnsworth

July 27th, 2011
8:52 pm

Wil Nieves? Man I guess that really scares the Phillies.

william in pasadena

July 27th, 2011
8:53 pm

Same ole Braves, just talk a good story and do nothing. Just misleading the fans!!! Still too cheap. If they don’t get an impact player, I’ll have to find something else to do with my time. I am sick of being sick and tired.

ctr0821

July 27th, 2011
9:05 pm

Schafer
Prado
Jones
McCann
Freeman
Uggla
Heyward
Any SS with speed that can hit better than AGON

This is a solid lineup- We don’t really need an OF, we need a damn SS! Everyone is freaking out over a few minor injuries, this team is going to be fine, you’ll see soon enough

Joey P

July 27th, 2011
9:06 pm

Frank needs to do something.I say this every year about him till I am sick of it. Quentin is the best player to get.

Joey P

July 27th, 2011
9:11 pm

I don’t think Chipper will ever be the same. And yes we need another SS but guess what they said they are keeping him because of his defense.

Joey P

July 27th, 2011
9:12 pm

they also need to bring up Gartrell

lannnerbraves

July 27th, 2011
9:15 pm

wren has always been a loser with the teams he has somehow been the GM of…nothing different here….he’s no scherhoultz

Dennis Reynolds

July 27th, 2011
9:16 pm

Well they should be getting Pence or Bourn. It would be ridiculous not to at least get one. Have to go all in and try to win this thing. I don’t think they give the team with the best prospects in their organization extra wins in the end.

1.Bourn
2.Prado
3.Chipper….
4.Mac
5.Uggla
6.Freeman
7.Heyward
8.Gonzo/Pastornicky

1.Prado
2.Pence
3.Mac
4.Uggla
5.Chipper
6.Freeman
7.Heyward
8.Gonzo/Pastornicky

Jabbo

July 27th, 2011
9:23 pm

“Sports physician Lewis Maharam, the former president of the New York chapter of the American College of Sports Medicine, says the rise in oblique injuries may be a byproduct of the drug-testing program that MLB and the Players Association first agreed to implement in 2002.

‘My theory is that drug testing in Major League Baseball is working and people are getting away from using illegal steroids,” Maharam says. “They are moving to legal products such as creatine, but they don’t know how to use it in conjunction with their workouts.’

Creatine, a legal dietary supplement that is not banned by MLB, NFL, NBA or NCAA, is an amino acid that boosts lean muscle mass and strength. Studies show it’s effective for sports like baseball, tennis and golf, activities that require intense but brief bursts of energy, and not so effective for sports that require endurance, such as running and soccer.

Creatine, according to Maharam, adds water molecules to muscle fibers, which causes the fibers to separate.

‘This makes for easier muscle tears and slows the repair process, leaving them on injured reserve longer,” Maharam says. “It is because of these side effects that professionals for a long time went away from creatine when they could use anabolics and HGH. Now that testing is stronger, I have seen a trend back toward the safer creatine.’”
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/24/mlbs-oblique-injury-epidemic-may-be-traced-to-creatine/

wallypip

July 27th, 2011
9:24 pm

i wish wren would have pulled the trigger on beltran. how often are you in a position to win it all? it’s definitely worth giving up minor for beltran, who’s playing like a stud and might come back to haunt the braves in the playoffs — for the giants,

e dubs

July 27th, 2011
9:29 pm

i think we can get pence for minor and a two position players not named mclouth. if we could keep schafer that would be ideal but to get pence or bourne, he gone. if anything it is worth our great prospects to keep him out of philly. philly is going to have several issues two years out with contracts. wren knows this as well which is why he is not “selling the farm” for a band aid player but i dont want to see pence in a phillies uniform for two or three years. please dont get ludwick or quentin. what about the dodgers…ethier anyone?

McFann O O Get Well Soon, BMac!!!

July 27th, 2011
9:32 pm

Thanks, Chief.

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
9:37 pm

eduds….I like your logic sir, but Schafer cannot be traded until next month during the waiver portion of the trade season ending at the end of August. He is on the DL.

JASon

July 27th, 2011
9:38 pm

“We’ve got the best backup catcher in baseball. We’re not going to miss a beat.”

Brian is correct. As great as McCann has been, david ross is not much of a downgrade. He’s a leader out there. He yells on every play in the infield. I’m not sure why you would ever have him bunting with nobody out.

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
9:44 pm

Jason….Ross bunts very well. Heck he bunts for hits with nobody on several times. He understands the defenses positions probably better than anybody else on the team.

e dubs

July 27th, 2011
9:45 pm

i wish we still had melky the way he is swinging the bat lately. damn, where was that last year?

@Fredo

July 27th, 2011
9:57 pm

Thanks, DOB, for having a car to get you to the park tonight. Winking, smiley face.

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:04 pm

@Joseph

Just because someone is on the DL does not mean they cannot be traded….only that it must be approved by the Commisioner…. Here’s the rule:

Trades
In general, between the end of the World Series and the trade deadline at 4 p.m. EST on July 31, any players may be traded for one another provided they don’t have a no-trade clause (contractually or as a result of being a 10-5 player) and were not drafted in the past year. A player with a no-trade clause may choose to waive said clause and will often be compensated for doing so. After July 31 and before the end of the World Series, players must clear waivers before being traded.

Trades that involve a transfer of more than $1 million must be approved by the commissioner’s office, as must any trade which involves a player currently on the disabled list. In general, a commissioner may reject any trade which he feels is not in the “best interests of baseball”.

dawgs74

July 27th, 2011
10:05 pm

Is Julio Franco available?

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
10:13 pm

Thanks truth I wasn’t aware of that last part of that rule. I knew of the $1 mil thing. Thanks.

All the panic is a little over the top. Fredi said it right about teams that are selling will try to get even more if you are “desperate”. It is a poke game. Going to be an interesting 4 days.

Oh Well

July 27th, 2011
10:15 pm

Schafer don’t make a million either.

Country Boy

July 27th, 2011
10:18 pm

interesting Jabbo

jb

July 27th, 2011
10:19 pm

Prado’s ba is going south..
Maybe thats reason wren like JS he is cheap.

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:20 pm

Joseph,

I wasn’t sure either but since it seemed that it would be fair as long as both teams are fully aware of the situation…no deception involved…

Figured I’d check it out….seems to be clearly written and fair…

jb

July 27th, 2011
10:21 pm

good job truth!

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:22 pm

The $1million is just a limitation on cash transactions…

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
10:23 pm

I was thinking that it wasn’t allowed due to trying to avoid any conspiracy theories, for lack of better terms. For situations like in Houston especially. New owners taking over after a vote in the middle of next month and a GM that in Wade that it is widely believed will be “removed” as soon as the new owners are approved. Oh well good stuff sir.

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:24 pm

Did anyone see Heyward in the dugout during the game?

jb

July 27th, 2011
10:24 pm

we need more Freemans on this team

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:26 pm

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
10:26 pm

Way to go Ross. Perfect end to a game after McCann goes down. Truly the best back-up catcher in the game. Gained a game on the Phils as well.

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:26 pm

And there’s Jason….not gone yet….

jb

July 27th, 2011
10:29 pm

The dirt crap is little league! but good win….

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:30 pm

How about that? Our All Star Catcher goes down and his replacement steps in and wins the game in the 10th !!!

And Linebrink gets the win…..amazing !

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
10:31 pm

Truth, just a day off against a tough lefty. Pittsburgh is a really good team. I am hoping they win the division. How sweet would it be a repeat of 91 and 92 NLCS? We were the scrappy young team that never let up. Now they are that way. For baseball, and since I used to live in Pittsburgh for a few years, that is a really good baseball town that doesn’t get enough love (deservedly for the past 18 years).

Kentavo

July 27th, 2011
10:34 pm

Speaking of catchers, I was at the Myrtle Beach-Lynchburg game tonight and Betancourt looked terrible at the plate striking out twice.

It's out of here.....

July 27th, 2011
10:35 pm

We are expecting utility players to carry us. Ross, McLouth, Prado and others. That’s the problem and not one is havin a great year. Uggla, Heyward, Gonzo, Chipper all down years. ONLY McCann and Freeman are bats to speak of.

We MUST make a trade and get a bat and pen relief.

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:35 pm

Yep I figure Wren doesn’t want to send him packing….but I could see it if the deal was right…he is struggling and might need a change to straighten it all out…

DaveinNEPA

July 27th, 2011
10:36 pm

Losing McCann for a few weeks is huge but not as big as it seems on the surface. David Ross is more than capable of handling the job for a couple of weeks as he showed tonight. We’re lucky to have him.

Ken

July 27th, 2011
10:37 pm

Truth,
Heyward was in the dugout…and in the post game celebration

Rufio

July 27th, 2011
10:38 pm

Way to go David Ross, Freddie Freeman and Dan Uggla!!! Brian rest up and enjoy the rest while you can!

Did someone other than Snitker coach third? When McLouth reached third in the last inning the coach did not like Brian Snitker to me.

Nut Job

July 27th, 2011
10:41 pm

14 hits and 2 runs…That’s unbelievable!

Rozeman13

July 27th, 2011
10:41 pm

I agree Joseph, Its just good to see teams like the Pirates back in it again. Great for baseball

Reality Check

July 27th, 2011
10:41 pm

The Braves are not going to get anyone to make an impact. Same old cheap management as last year. Last year it was Rick Ankiel, this year it will be Ryan Ludwick or Josh Willingham. Left field, Center field, shortstop, Right field, all glaring holes when Chipper is out and Prado plays third. This will be a AAA team by the end of the year.

hal

July 27th, 2011
10:42 pm

fremans going too be the star that the braves wanted haystack to be why no roy bank it comments this year oghhh i forgot this is bbb black bigot blog

Ben

July 27th, 2011
10:42 pm

DB…. any chance we would give up one of the two untouchables if we got a package that included Bourne and Pence?

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
10:42 pm

It’s out of here…Uggla is on an 18 game hitting streak (longest of his career/ 2nd longest in the NL) had a horrible first half no doubt but he is money right now. You call Ross a utility player? He is a starter on at least 27 teams right now. You are calling Prado a utility player? Not even worth time to prove how wrong you are there. Chipper is having his best year both offensively and defensively since he won the batting title in 08. Try looking at the numbers before you react sir.

Dave…not lucky to have him. Wren was smart to lock him up for multiple years. Not luck…….smart.

Maybe "fans"

July 27th, 2011
10:44 pm

How about more people actually attending games. That way the club is in a better position financially. Oh but that would require people to be real fans.

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
10:46 pm

What seat were you in maybe?

Theo Williams

July 27th, 2011
10:47 pm

Pat Burrell was just released by the Giants. This has absolutely nothing to do with the problem-solving trades we need to make, but maybe with a change in scenery he’d be a nice addition to our bench.

Theo Williams

July 27th, 2011
10:51 pm

And why have we heard no trade rumors about the Cubs? They need to do something…

Ryan

July 27th, 2011
10:54 pm

Bourn and Pence for a package headlined by Minor and Mcclouth

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:54 pm

Reality Check

You sound more like “Burst your Bubble”

hal

You are really confused aren’t you….as for me I would love for Jason to be a left handed Hank Aaron, it would be great. Every time he has a couple hits in a game I’m crossing my fingers hoping he’s turned a corner like Uggla seems to have.

Sometimes though it is hard for young players to play in their home city because they always feel pressured to produce. Jeff Francouer is a great example….came in with McCann like brothers….man do I wish her was playing center for us and producing like
he has been in Kansas City…

Theo Williams

July 27th, 2011
10:57 pm

The Braves are 5-32 with RISP the last 2 games. That defines pitiful. We have to do something about that.

ray

July 27th, 2011
10:58 pm

Mc Cann could use some rest. catching a whole season is a grind.
too many buyers and not enough sellers. this makes it tough to make a sensible deal as a buyer. since the Braves can’t afford to pay anyone or even offer arbitration to pending free agents, this causes more problems even though Wren says they have the budget (baloney)
getting into bidding wars is risky business. Braves should try to get a 2nd tier guy which limits their risk.
after another month, rosters expand to 40 on 9/1 and Braves can call up several prospects to expand staff and give depth.
paying KK to be injured in AA is really causing the team problems. a total waste of $6-7 mill.
once Wren makes a move, the chances are it won’t help anyway. Ankiel, Fransworth and Lee really jumpstarted us didn’t they ?

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
10:58 pm

hal

Who were you calling “haystack” ?

When I read it at first it didn’t register with me…. all I could see was that “bbb” thing.

I’m guessing now that you were calling Francouer “haystack”, is that right?

Geoff

July 27th, 2011
10:59 pm

Schaefer, Delgado and Minor for Bourn and Pence

Would you do it???

Theo Williams

July 27th, 2011
10:59 pm

Btw, Burrell is hitting .233 with 7 homers this year. That’s pretty good if we sign him for the league minimum. Again, doesn’t solve the OF problem but doesn’t sound like it will hurt either.

Theo Williams

July 27th, 2011
11:02 pm

Geoff, of course Id do it, and the Astros in return would laugh their heads off and hang up the phone.

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
11:02 pm

Ok truth……you beat me 2 times now on the same comment to hal. Dang dogs and trying to put my daughter to sleep after the game.

NorCal Brave

July 27th, 2011
11:05 pm

I understand the final piece to the Giants getting Beltran was giving in to his demand to play right field, where Nate Schierholtz has been performing well. Nate apparently will be moved to LF.

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
11:06 pm

Geoff have to remember….new owners cannot do anything until league votes on them next month. Wade is by all rights gone as GM as soon as it happens. There are a lot of variables in play in Houston for any trades to happen at all. Will Pence or Bourne or both be traded? Nobody knows. You have a GM that is about to lose his job probably and new owners……..not even the “rumors” have a clue. And again rumors are just rumors. Just relax and let’s see what happens. 4 days left. The deals being made today are panic deals. Tread deadline is a poker game. Can’t show your hand too early.

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
11:09 pm

Joseph…. I was quick because my wife won’t let me have a dog and my one son has been out of the house for 15 years….and my wife is also out of town this week….

Feel sorry for hal….some folks see the race thing where is isn’t ….I gurantee you I would love for Jason to be playing even as good as last year…we’d be better in the standings if he were, that’s for sure…maybe in first place…

For me… I love good baseball players, and dont care if they’re pink or whatever. I remember when for a time we had Dion and Otis at the top of the order…man was that turmoil on the basepaths!!!

Rowsdower

July 27th, 2011
11:11 pm

If you think the Braves are trading Heyward because he is having a typical Sophomore Slump year, you’re a damn fool. HE’S 21 YEARS OLD. What were you doing at 21? Bong hits and drum circles?

Heyward is going to be an integral part of this team for the next 15 years. Think about this for a second:

Mac – 27
Freeman – 21
Heyward – 21
Prado – 27
JJ – 25
Tommy – 24
Beachy – 24
Venters – 26
O’Flaherty – 26
Kimbrel – 23

That’s a pretty solid foundation for any team. These guys are all in the majors and contributing. You factor in the 4 elite pitching prospects (all under 23) and you have a nightmare for the NL.

I would love to see Hunter Pence in a Braves uni, but not if it costs 2 elite pitching prospects. He’s 28, is a very solid player, brings big time energy and he is controlled through 2013. He might be a bit pricey in arbitration, but Chipper, Lowe and McLouth come off the books soon and that’s $36M right there. It’s doable if the Asbags come down on their asking price…

Theo Williams

July 27th, 2011
11:13 pm

I say we pick up Burrel, Byrd, and Reed Johnson, and ship McLouth to anyone who will eat the rest of his contract. That gives us a super-cheap answer to the OF. Put Byrd in CF. Then you’ve got Heyward, Reed, Burrell, Hinskie, and Prado when he’s not somewhere else to add some serious OF depth. Speaking of Hinskie he needs to give Freddie a spot start. The kid needs a break.

Theo Williams

July 27th, 2011
11:17 pm

Beltran and the Giants aren’t discussing an extension. I don’t know if that means they will later or they might not at all… if they gave up their top pitching prospect for a 3 month rental then they’re crazy.

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
11:17 pm

Joseph….

You’re right on with the panic trades today…I have been hoping we’d get some great news, like a Pence…but pretty certain that we might not get anything till the deadline is upon us..

For me I am fine with Wren being ultra cautious, and would rather see nothing or little being done rather than some knee jerk reaction that comes back to smack us in the face. I love it that the Braves are like the Falcons and not interested in troubled players that bring baggage with them…they can be a cancer in the club house and ruin the team chemistry…

Theo Williams

July 27th, 2011
11:19 pm

I second that.

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
11:20 pm

Rowsdower well said sir.

Truth, I love just baseball. It is such a beautiful game when played the right way. It is a humbling game.

Heyward is going to be fine. Rowsdower is right it is a sophomore slump. The league has made adjustments to him and now he is in the process of making adjustments to the league. Yes some do so very easily. Doubt most of them were 21/22. It is one thing to know what you need to fix in the box and what you are doing wrong, and working on it in BP and off a tee. It is a completely different animal to do so in a real game. Instincts take over. He is learning how to play hurt for the first time of his life and he is learning how to fight through struggles for the first time of his life. Heyward will be fine. Not going to be Hank, but he is a solid cog in the future of this team.

All the ones wanting to mortgage the farm, do not realize what a GMs job really is. Yankees, Sox, Phils excluded because of the owners spend money. GMs have to consider what next year’s team is going to be like and the year after as well before making HUGE deals.

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
11:26 pm

Truth, Just my personal gut feeling (no real reasoning just gut). Bullpen will be traded for on Friday or very early on Saturday. If they get a bat, it will be middle of the afternoon on Saturday. Wren is waiting out all the desperate teams that will give up their best prospects like the Giants did and let the market relax and be reasonable before he pulls the trigger. It is a poker game. Giants showed their hand already, the Braves merely “called”. It is anxious waiting, but if you love baseball you love the anxiety of the trade season for that reason alone. It keeps you on the edge of your seat.

Hank

July 27th, 2011
11:28 pm

Hey, does anyone know if they Braves have thought or contacted another team with some seller-possibilities such as the Dodgers? They are in trouble right now and might be willing to cut salary and at the same time attempt to build on some stability by attempting to free up some payroll space. Just a thought. Also, aren’t the Orioles also about in a sellers’ mode? Just a thought.

alex

July 27th, 2011
11:32 pm

goodness such a mushy blog this evening, at least i don’t have to read some of joseph’s pseudo knowledge of medicine regarding hgh testing or muscle /tendon, such garbage; hard to believe anything from his blog. Way to go uggla, seems like he turned it around, for 9.5 million-he should. AS for chipper’s year, he’s too often injured to effectively contribute. joseph, please be humbled , shut down your computer , you’re full of it,SIR…Sheeeesh………go watch reruns of larry king …………please no more “pillow talk” with the truth!!

the truth...

July 27th, 2011
11:32 pm

Rowsdower

I hope you’re right on Heyward and that he wakes up and does what his physical tools can allow him to do..

….as to your question about were we were at 21…I was definitely pretty confused then…. I spent most of my 21st year in Viet Nam….

I’d love to have Pence and might be ok with more booty than you would, to get him. Your list of our super young players is right on ….but are there any outfielders, 3B or SS that are serious replacements?

Chipper is about done and Gonzo has a great glove and arm, but his bat is full of holes most of the time…so we’re going to need pieces for those spots too.

Another blogger mentioned a couple days ago that it is highly unlikely that every one of those 5-star arms are going to be studs in the bigs…the more I thought about the statement it made me really think how true it is….

with that in mind the object is to predict accurately which will succeed and which won’t.

I hated the Brett Butler, Brook Jacoby (and others I think) for Len Barker back in the 80’s.
I hated the McLouth- Charlier Morton trade…
I hated, hated, hated the Texeira give away…I still hate it, horrible
I even hated the Escobar for Gonzalez trade…except there seemed to be a problem in the clubhose with Escobar so I’ll accept that one…

So no I don’t want Heyward to go…………..unless he is going to turn into a Brad Kominsk as one of the “can’t miss” players that do….

e dubs

July 27th, 2011
11:35 pm

how about clint barmes, ss in houston.

ChopChamps95

July 27th, 2011
11:36 pm

Wren says he isn’t in panic mode but watch him go out and make a trade for Ryan Ludwick/Josh Willingham/Carlos Quetin which will absolutely contradict what he’s been saying. Getting a non CF (unless its Pence) will prove to everyone that he made a trade just to make a trade like he did last year for Ankiel and Farnsworth.

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
11:38 pm

alex, with all due respect….if you have a problem with me either ignore what I comment or you have every right to report it if you feel so strongly that it has offended you. The simple fact of being singled out only proves that I speak the truth otherwise you would just laugh it off sir. Have a wonderful night sir and a pleasant tomorrow.

Hank, you are right, however the problem is Liberty owns this team and it is highly unlikely that they will take on salary. I hate it but it is true. Wish we had a real face to the ownership instead of Barnes and Noble.

stanco

July 27th, 2011
11:38 pm

Unfortunately we are not just 1 player away from being a team to go late into the fall. NO reason to sell the farm (see Tex trade) for even a very good player to help a very flawed team.
The Braves are set for a great run the next 5 years, starting with a lot of available $$$ this winter after KK’s, McLouth’s and Chipper’s (pleaseeee retire) contracts are gone and Lowe is traded……..sign a few stud bats and with the pitching coming up……it will be fun to watch!!!

alex

July 27th, 2011
11:49 pm

@joseph, you are delusional and creepy;your “medical comments”are not only incorrect, they misinform the unsuspecting public. I do not laugh off liars, and you are one! Of course I could be delusional that someone reads your garbage and attaches ANY truth to it.

don

July 27th, 2011
11:51 pm

Beltran is probably a 3 month rental for the Giants. He would have been a 2month rental for the Braves. Fortunately, Beltran is headed for SF. Now if we can keep Wren from panicking and making his usual late-July disaster.

Rowsdower

July 27th, 2011
11:51 pm

I think we’re gonna be ok in those positions, Truth, depending on what shakes out at the deadline. I really like Pastornicky at SS and Lipka is rumored to be moved to CF because he is a sick athlete. Wilkin Ramirez may figure out that breaking balls move and swinging at them like theyre fastballs doesnt work (i’m not holding my breath), but he is only 25 and has raw tools. Prado will move back to 3B when Chipper hangs em up and we will have serious cash to fill holes when he does.

I can live with this:

Catcher – McCann
1B – Freeman
2B – Uggla
3B – Prado
SS – Pastornicky
LF – Free Agent
CF – Lipka or Schafer (if he figures it out)
RF – Heyward

Hanson
Teheran
Delgado
Minor
Jurrjens
Beachy

O’Flaherty
Venters
Kimbrel

Joseph

July 27th, 2011
11:56 pm

alex, What medical comments? Have you been paying attention? Find me 1 medical comment I have made please. You might be thinking of Jabbo’s comment. Got anything else to embarrass yourself with alex tonight sir?

Hank

July 27th, 2011
11:57 pm

Now that Beltran is going to the Giants what the heck will the blog writers rant about?
I’m sure they will come up with something since they are all experts on needs and trades.

Joseph

July 28th, 2011
12:00 am

Rowsdower…….Why just automatically move Prado to 3B? Just think about the negotiations available here. 2 Players 1 in LF and 1 3B…..can play hard ball because yes Prado can play either. Why not get the best available for the best money at either position. But please just put Prado in 1 spot and keep him there, just for one year and see how he plays defensively. Errors since he has been back at 3B I can factually blame on him moving from outfield to infield to outfield to infield.

Joseph

July 28th, 2011
12:01 am

Hank, it is Pence and Bourne at the same time now.

Dannyboy

July 28th, 2011
12:01 am

Does anyone like Adam Jones js please with the Jason heyward comments it is really getting lame and stupid if you are a real braves fan please still cheer for the team no matter what!!!! Watching mlb tonight man Justin Upton is a beast!!! dude just hit a ball in sd on top of the building!!! WTF!!

Rowsdower

July 28th, 2011
12:01 am

I absolutely agree that young pitchers don’t always pan out, but they’re also the most valuable commodity in the game. If Wren had a crystal ball and could figure out which one was gonna be an ace and which one was gonna be a bust that would be great. Personally, I would deal Minor. He is a finished product. The other guys have very high ceilings and just need seasoning.

Whatever happens at the deadline I will be happy with now that Beltran is off the board. This team has the pieces in place (when healthy) to win it all. As long as we don’t have a rash of injuries in September like we did last year, we’re gonna be a force. It only gets better in the near future…

SemperFi

July 28th, 2011
12:02 am

Stanco-
“Unfortunately we are not just 1 player away from being a team to go late into the fall. NO reason to sell the farm (see Tex trade) for even a very good player to help a very flawed team.”

Really? “A very flawed team”? Are we both watching the same broadcast? The last two times I watched the Braves, they won. Against a damn good team. Plus, they are still 4 1/2 games ahead in the wildcard. Flawed? You watch too much reality tv. You, my friend, are a drama queen

Joseph

July 28th, 2011
12:05 am

Got to love a marine to be honest. Well said sir..

Rowsdower

July 28th, 2011
12:06 am

@Joseph – I’m certainly not pigeonholing Prado at 3B. Clearly, if there is a FA 3B available, Prado can stay in LF. Personally, I have my eye on Kemp when he hits the FA market in a few years. Gonna be tough bidding against the Yankers, Sox and Phoolies, but damn would he look good in a Braves uni.

SemperFi

July 28th, 2011
12:10 am

Oh, by the way. The Braves could have had Beltran for Minor. Straight up. Braves said no (of course). Sounds like the Braves are going back to the 90’s to me. Pitching, pitching, pitching…

Joseph

July 28th, 2011
12:11 am

I would love see Kemp here, but I just cannot forget who owns this team right now. They will not sell until after next season I believe, when their tax right-off ends. It might be this year, but I think it is next year. They worry about Barnes and Noble. Get a real owner with a face in here and FAs might actually want to come here like they want to come to the Falcons because of a passionate owner that has a face. Kemp is a CFer. If we get him, who else is better at CF? My point sir is that LF is a cheaper position than 3B but can negotiate the 3B down on money by the fact that they could just put Prado there……that is what I was getting at sir.

Rowsdower

July 28th, 2011
12:12 am

90s worked out ok wouldn’t you agree, SemperFi?

I didn’t like the idea of trading a good pitcher within the division for a clear rental. Yes, he would’ve improved the team, but in the long run, he brings nothing. He would’ve also weakened the defense playing on 1 leg.

If we’re trading a big chip, get a player like Pence that is young and controlled for 2 more years.

Joseph

July 28th, 2011
12:13 am

Semperfie, It worked for 14 straight division championships then, and it is a proven strategy for longevity and consistency.

Where are you alex? You called me a liar……Where is the comment I made about anything to do with medicine?

SemperFi

July 28th, 2011
12:13 am

Yo Joseph, too freaking slow, get back

Rowsdower

July 28th, 2011
12:17 am

Prado is a wildcard much like Chipper moving to LF when Vinny was signed. I agree that they need to settle on one position for him and let him concentrate on hitting again. We know what he can do with a bat when he’s comfortable.

The future is bright for this team. Young, talented and there will be money to fill holes with Lowe, Huddy, McLouth and Chipper gone. There will also be plenty of money to lock up Hanson and JJ and buyout Heyward and Freeman’s arbitration years like we did with Mac.

I’m jacked about this season and the next decade of Braves baseball.

the truth...

July 28th, 2011
12:19 am

For sure we are more than one player from being “there’… It’d be great if we were, wouldn’t it?
It seems to me that Wren is handling this free agent deadline fine right now… to see the newest wave of injuries these last couple of nights can make one panic for sure. Making certain any deal we make, especially with our low, low budget and our treasure trove of five star arms is critical so cannot be huried by other folks making crazy deals……

Seems lots of folks think it is so easy…just call up another GM and offer three type C players for theirsuperstar type AAA player….then say thank you and we’re on our way… how amazing…

Watching and hoping Wren gets it right…but we won’t know till as Skip Caray used to say…”they play the games”….

We’ll see what happens these last four days….I hope we come out of it an improved team.

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