Contemplating Carlos Beltran and what cost might be for Braves

(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien this series)

CINCINNATI – Hello there, denizens. We’re switching around on you again, tag-teaming this road trip, so I’m picking up the team in the land of Skyline Chili for the weekend series against the Reds.

Without further ado, let me pick up on some of the discussion out there today about Carlos Beltran and just give you some insight into what I’m hearing.

In a nutshell, it has legs. From what I understand it pretty much boils down to this: the Braves covet Beltran, a switch-hitting outfielder who could give their offense a boost, especially against left-handed pitching, while playing some combination of right and center field.

The Mets covet Mike Minor, who is a major league-ready left-hander and former first round draft pick, who would be easy on the cash-strapped Mets financially for the next half-dozen years.

So if it comes down to that, those two pieces, the Braves have a decision to make, whether they’d give up what is basically their best insurance policy if there’s an injury to the rotation this season and a potential starter on the rotation for years to come for what would in all likelihood be a two-month rental in Beltran.

They’ve been burned by that in the past. Adam Wainwright? Neftali

Feliz? Elvis Andrus?

In recent years, though, the Braves have shown more hesitancy to go that route, hanging on to Tommy Hanson when teams like the Padres were salivating for him, for example. But with an obvious need for a right-handed bat, how should the Braves play it now?

They have a minor league system with some special pitching prospects, already, albeit none with the major league experience Minor has. Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino, Randall Delgado are the Braves’ three prized arms, but all are right-handed. They just drafted left-hander Sean Gilmartin from FSU. Do they figure he’ll be on as fast a track as Minor was?

From what I understand Minor is the guy a lot of teams want; it’s who the Brewers wanted for Corey Hart last year and what the Mets want for Beltran. We’re told scouts from a half dozen teams, as well as Braves assistant GM Bruce Manno, were in Gwinnett last night watching Minor pitch – he went six innings, allowing 10 hits and six runs, though only three were earned, against Louisville.

Based on what Buster Olney of ESPN calls an educated guess, he sees the Braves as a frontrunner for Beltran in a potential deal. Not knowing what the Giants and Phillies would have to offer, or maybe even the Red Sox, I don’t know. But another factor that’s got to weigh on the Braves decision is whether they’d feel the need to play it aggressively so they wouldn’t see the Phillies or Giants get Beltran.

On the other hand, if you’re the Braves would you want to be facing Minor in your division for the next however many years? They never had to worry about that with Wainwright or Feliz.

But wait, there’s more. Giving up Minor would be no small thing, but if you’re trying to acquire say a Hunter Pence from the Astros, it’s apparently going to cost you even more, like two top starting prospects as well as a position player. And Pence is likely to make as much as $10 million in arbitration next year.

Michael Bourn would be a great addition, but the Braves need a right-handed bat, and trading for Bourn would mean they’re giving up on Jordan Schafer. By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.

There is a lot to consider here, and it makes for good blog fodder too. I don’t think it’s something that would happen in the next day or two but if the Braves lose this series to the Reds, maybe they start getting antsy. Best I can tell you is we’ll keep an eye on things.

Roster move

The Braves announced this afternoon they’ve called up Cristhian Martinez from Triple-A Gwinnett and sent down struggling reliever Cory Gearrin. The Braves had sent Martinez to Gwinnett on July 2 to stretch out as a starter, getting in some work after hardly being used as a long man for the Braves. He went 2-1 with a 2.86 ERA in four starts for Gwinnett.

Gearrin has been ineffective of late, and struggled against left-handers especially. Gearrin has allowed 10 runs in his past 3 1/3 innings over five appearances since July 3. He gave up four runs in one inning in Colorado on Tuesday night.

Left-handers are hitting .393 (11-for-28) off Gearrin with a double, three triples and 10 RBIs. While righties are hitting only .143 off him the Braves would like to see him continue to develop a change-up to use against lefties.

Reds series

So the Braves are going from the fire to the frying pan from the hitter-friendly Coors Field to Great American Ballpark for three days. When you couple the fact that their starters were still trying to get back on track after long lay-offs from the All-Star game it wasn’t a good combination for the Braves.

Since the All-Star break, Braves starters are 3-2 with a 6.53 ERA in seven games. The one starter who hasn’t showed any problems despite the longer layoffs is Tim Hudson who has allowed only three runs in 14 innings over two starts.

Jair Jurrjens, who pitches tonight against Bronson Arroyo, had 10 days between starts (he went 1 2/3 in relief in the All-Star game), when he gave up a season-high six runs to the Nationals last Sunday.

Arroyo, who is 7-8 with a 5.57 ERA, meanwhile, has given up four or more runs in four straight starts.

Sorry to cut this short, but I spent a lot of time traveling and on the phone, so I’ve got to close up shop and walk over to the ballpark. More from there.

Lineup

1. Prado 3B

2. Heyward RF

3. McCann C

4. Freeman 1B

5. Hinske LF

6. Gonzalez SS

7. Conrad 2B

8. McLouth CF

9. Jurrjens P

2,838 comments Add your comment

ArkyTech

July 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm

Don’t do it.

braveslifer

July 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm

Before Minor lost his prospect status he was ranked as the 37th best prospect by Baseball America. The link below says that a top 26-50 pitcher is worth $14.2M. Someone posted that Beltran would likely be worth an additional 1.5WAR this season. This season 1 WAR is worth $4.4M. So using the 1.5WAR estimate Beltran would be worth $6.6M. Things to consider: WAR is worth more to playoffs teams and Beltran’s injury history. If we did trade Minor for Beltran; I’m think that the Mets would have to pay his remaining salary and hopefully through in a right handed RP.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/9/785001/nl-east-farm-system-values

O.J.

July 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm

What the heck Carroll, you mention that Beltran would be acquired to help against left handed pitchers, but have you seen his numbers against lefties? Horrid.

Stan

July 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm

how many times as Beltran been on the DL the past 3 years?

NickB

July 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm

I have to say….. Beltran might be the bat that puts this team in the World Series….. Gilmartin looks promising (and according to some scouts has a higher cieling than Minor) If we didn’t have all these great young arms I would say no. But Minor seems to be the one expendable pitcher of the main group of 4 or 5 (if you count Carlos perez and I certainly do) I would do the deal…. Especially if the Mets are paying most of his $$$ for the rest of the season. i don’t see how Jonny Gomes or Ludwick are signficant enough of players to make a trade for them worthwhile…. If we are gonna go for it, make the Beltran deal.

Eric

July 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm

I would trade Minor for Beltran in a heartbeat

Peter

July 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm

How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?

tradeOd

July 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm

Martin Elginbrod

July 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm

Do it. Minor is Jo Jo Reyes light.

ernesto

July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

minor for beltran is a bad deal – don’t make it

O.J.

July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

I would give up Minor as well, because we have so much other pitching, why not. Teheran has made a few starts in the bigs and didnt do horrible. So he would be the guy they brought up if a pitcher got injured.

tradeOd

July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

a left handed kyle davies

Martin Elginbrod

July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

“How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?”

By crushing it?

ArkyTech

July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

Not to the Mets, a division rival. And not for a 2 month rental.

DAP

July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

i think the beltran trade would be a much easier decision if he was still a legit CFer. trading for him is going to require alot of moving pieces when it comes to filling out the lineup card.

PMC

July 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm

Is there an over under on how soon Beltran gets hurt?

Pierson Brave

July 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm

Beltran…..meh

O.J.

July 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm

Martin Elginbrod, check Beltran’s numbers against lefties, buddy.

Frankie Wren

July 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

GET BELTRAN! Here’s a guy whose played in almost everygame this year. He’s playing outfield everyday and people think he’s going to breakdown playing Center field????????? He is there 2 1/2 months and not everyday. Is this April you say no way, but c’mon 2 months. This guy gets you to the World Series THIS YEAR. Same people who mistakenly said “Lance Berkman hasn’t played outfield forever, no way”. Go get this short of giving away Teheran or Vizcaino which they won’t.

DAP

July 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

peter How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?

check some splits, bud. youll see.

Powderfinger

July 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

This is a tough one. But we have to give up something, and Minor might be the most palatable option. I don’t like facing him several times each year, but the other young studs have to be considered untouchable, right?

VaBravesFan

July 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

If the Braves are gonna trade Minor for Beltran do it ASAP instead of waiting…. Its not like Beltrans price is gonna drop by the day. They want Minor so if we plan on pulling the trigger I’d say do it now so Beltran can be in the lineup tomorrow. I’m not saying i agree with dealing Minor for him, just saying lets not keep waiting…

bob

July 22nd, 2011
3:31 pm

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JoeBravesFan

July 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm

I MIGHT trade Minor for Beltran, if we could have Beltran for more than just the rest of this year. DOB makes a good point in that the Braves would have to face Minor when they play the Mets for many years to come. While I agree we need offense, I’m not sure giving up Minor for 2-3 months of injury-prone Beltran is worth it.

Whoop

July 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm

They should get Beltran only if it means sending Schafer packing. They can’t seriously be thinking about Beltran taking ABs away from Heyward and Prado in favor of keeping Schafer in the lineup

Powderfinger

July 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm

I agree about the waiting. There’s another week’s worth of games before the deadline. If you’re gonna do it, do it now.

Fish Bisch

July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm

Thanks for the new blog Cara. Your hard is appreciated.

MFin04

July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm

“How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?”

Does anyone look at numbers before saying stuff?

Beltran .839 OPS
Schafer .495 OPS
McLouth .516 OPS

Bama Brave

July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm

I hope the braves make a trade with the stros. pence or bourn. get both!

Weezle

July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm

BJ Upton wants to be a Brave. I talked to his parole officer…I mean cousin…and he mentioned that BJ’s declining stats are a result of him not being happy down in Tampa.

Chris W

July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm

They should’ve DFA’d Proctor if they were going to call up Martinez.

Chop Chop

July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm

Minor and a lesser prospect for Beltran would be fine with me.

FlyOnTheWall

July 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm

What has Minor done since his 1st starts last year? Trade now…do it!

Powderfinger

July 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm

Schafer is a pretty good insurance policy in case Prado is forced somewhere else, if you know what I mean…

Kat

July 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm

Carroll, thanks for the great summation of where we’re at with all the trade talk; very easy read but with a lot of pertinent info.

Big JAM

July 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm

If we give up Minor for Beltran
We’ve GOT to throw Nate Mc in with the deal.
We won’t use him over JHey
They like Schafer over Nate (so he’s not replaced)
Prado can cover the lead off spot when Beltran plays CF
Beltran can play RF, CF, & LF
Prado can cover for LF, 3b, 2b.
Nate is just a waste of bench space then, so let him go to the Mets.
Now… where do we bat Beltran in the order???

bob

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

I say make the deal. The move gives the Braves a better chance to win the World Series. The have three good young starters now plus Hudson who has a couple good years left, which will give plenty of time for the three arms in the minors to get ready. You cant have a seven man rotation so I think Minor is expendable

Martin Elginbrod

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

OJ, is it the .840 OPS versus lefties this year or the .886 OPS lifetime versus lefties that you don’t like? Please don’t tell me you’re stuck on batting average.

dixiebrave

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

Just a thought for 2012, If Chipper retires after this year & the Braves can trade Lowe during the offseason, maybe the Braves could make a real push to sign Pujols to play 3B.

Tomas

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

If the Braves acquire Beltran, they’ll have the best lineup in MLB, the best bullpen in MLB, and the second best pitching staff. The best lineup if healthy that is.

LF Martin Prado
RF Jason Heyward
CF Carlos Beltran
C Brian McCann
3B Chipper Jones
1B Freddy Freeman
2B Dan Uggla
SS Alex Gonzalez
Pitcher

Uggla will probably be walked a million times, but what a lineup

Ward

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

Before: I go I say make the deal. We need a bat,and it’s all about chances.Do it!!!!!!Peace out my firends…………..

Frankie Wren

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

Minor pitching against the Braves for years to come, so what? I would be much more concerned about Johan Santana honestly.

NickB

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

as a RHB versus LHP Beltrans numbers are .232/.291/.547 OPS-.839 He doesn’t get on base much , but man does he slug the crap out of the ball against lefties. He’d be a huge improvement over Schafer…. But he really does hit righties better (.970 OPS against em)… I’d honestly rather see him take over in CF for the rest of the season and give Jordan the odd bi-weekly start and use him to pinch run and late inning defense personally.

Wookie Ninja

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

Thinkin about Wookie punching Jeff Francouer in that huge schnozzola

Missing Comments

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

Ask yourself a simple question…. and it really is this simple. Who gives you a better chance to advance well into the playoffs? Beltran or Gomes?

Yes it is that simple. Minor does not have a higher ceiling than Beachy, Teheran, Vizcaino or Delgado. Another name to ponder is Tommy Hanson. Minor is and will be less of a factor in the big leagues than those aforementioned names… bank on it!

BAMA dude

July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

Beltran career vs. LHP:

.362/.524/.886

This season:

.291/.547/.839

OK, the OBP is low this season but it’s a very small sample size and he’s still slugging like crazy off of them. Some of these comments are just ignunt.

Ward

July 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm

Have a great game tonight, My friends”Go!!!! Braves!!!!!!”

Shaun

July 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm

“How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?”

Does anyone look at numbers before saying stuff?

Beltran .839 OPS
Schafer .495 OPS
McLouth .516 OPS

How dare you! You know that numbers don’t tell the story. For instance, Schafer is better than McLouth because my perception says so. It doesn’t matter what the numbers say these players have actually done. All that matters is my perception of what they’ve done. How dare you use objective data instead of your own perceptions!

The Scout

July 22nd, 2011
3:37 pm

I’ve seen enough of Schafer and McLouth.

Lets go after Michael Bourn !

If we could unload Lowe’s contract, Hunter Pence would be possible.

BAMA dude

July 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm

Tomas, the lineup is tough but you might want to check out those in the Bronx and Boston before declaring it the best. Those two are kinda awesome.

Kentavo

July 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm

Go get him now; worry about the lineup later. There’s no guarantee Chipper comes back anytime soon.

Missing Comments

July 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm

Pence may cost you 22 mil or more over two years! YIKES! Don’t think he’s worth that. He’ll also cost you Minor and a REAL pitching prospect as well!

DAP

July 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm

OJ, beltran is OPSing .839 vs. lefthanded pitching, on the back on a .549 slg%. that counts as “crushing” to me. hes a lifetime .886 OPSer vs. lefties.

Fish Bisch

July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm

The Great American Ballpark owns us :(

CrαZy

July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm

You guys who want the trade to happen because you don’t like Minor are the same tools who will be bit#%ing 3 years from now about the Minor for Beltran trade.

Whoop

July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm

People can’t seem to face the fact that the Braves will not have a 10 man rotation in the future

Beachy, Minor, Teheran, Delgado, Viscaino, Hoover will not all end up on the Braves starting rotation. I bet about three or four of them will be traded or won’t be nearly as good as people are projecting them to be.

Minor for Beltran is a fair deal. If Minor turns out to be a star, more power to him. It’s the same with Jo Jo Reyes and Kyle Davies

Rupert

July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

Got to do it if that’s all they want. I know a lot of folks don’t want to trade any pitching prospect, ever. However, the Braves are a top 4 MLB team right now and have a legit shot at winning a World Series. A bat like Beltran could really put them over the top, plus it keeps him away from the rivals. Minor is the 4th best pitching prospect of the group. He could be really good, but he could also be Jojo Reyes. Odds are he will be traded at some point because of the numbers and the upside of the other guys. Make the move now, try to win now. If you don’t try to win, why play?

Beltran is playing for a contract. We all remember how he played last time he was in the same circumstance.

Larry

July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

trade Minor Delgado & Schafer for Pence

Bay Area Steve

July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

You’re a hard guy to like, Shaun.

Very hard. What a shame…

Powderfinger

July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

I promise not to bit#% 3 years from now. But I might moan…

Josh

July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

it’s not like we would be trading Teheran, Delgado or Vizcaino. Get Beltran and we may end up with a parade in Atlanta in October.

just SHOOT me

July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm

It has also been rumored on ESPN that the Mets are interested in another one of our pitching prospects named Wellington Levine. He’s a righty with a nasty fast ball..Clocked around 101. Problem with giving up Levine is he’s great talent and we’d more likely than not only have Beltran for two months.

Kendell Jones

July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm

Don’t know that much about Beltran,but I just don’t think we should give up Minor for him. We know that Minor will eventually be in the lineup on a regular basis, but we don;t want an aged Beltran who has a tendency to injuries.

Big JAM

July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm

CrαZy
Yea… but we might be the same guys cheering at the end of the season when we win the World Series!!

Big Ed

July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

How much do you think it would take to re-sign Beltran and for what length of contract. Surely at age 35 next year he wouldn’t be asking for the same kind of contract he just finished. What do you think. If the Braves can re-sign him I think they should pull the trigger. Maybe they get a 48hr. window to re-sign him long term.

Frankie Wren

July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

How dare you! You know that numbers don’t tell the story. For instance, Schafer is better than McLouth because my perception says so. It doesn’t matter what the numbers say these players have actually done. All that matters is my perception of what they’ve done. How dare you use objective data instead of your own perceptions!

Shaun Aka Tim Kurkjian, aka “The Professor”- The astute baseball folk here factor not only statistics but what the particular player brings to the field with intangibles- attitude, defensive abilities, abilities to hit in the clutch(yes clutch situations Professor). Don’t have to pour over Stat sheets for days to see a guy like Beltran help teams win.

Go back to pouring over your data Professor.

Shaun

July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

Can we please stop listing a players OBP, SLG, and then his OPS? You don’t need OPS if you are going to point out both OBP and SLG anyway. OPS is combining the two stats that you just listed separately so it’s pointless.

If you want something like OPS but that’s even better, point to Weighted On-Base Average, or wOBA. It’s based on the actual run value of each type of hit and walks that a player gets. So, for example, while slugging counts doubles as twice as valuable as singles, wOBA counts each hit based on run value which is based on run expectancy.

Bro

July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

NOT WORTH IT FOR A TWO MONTH RENTAL. FIND A GOOD YOUNG RIGHT HANDED BAT THAT WOULD BE WITH THE BRAVES FOR AT LEAST 3-4 YEARS. SHORT TERM RENTALS OR LIKE A “SHORT SALE” IN REAL ESTATE–A REAL PAIN IN THE BUTT.
IF YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING DO IT OUT OF YOUR DIVISION. IT NEVER PAYS TO TRADE WITHIN YOUR DIVISION ESPECIALLY FOR A RENTAL UNIT. TRADE WITH THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. USE THE OLD BRAIN MR WREN.

Tomas

July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

BAMA dude, you’re right, well 3rd best, and best in the NL

DS1

July 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm

Could the Cristian Martinez call up be a smoke screen for a Lowe deal?

I know they were trying to stretch him out……

Inquiring minds want to know.

(I am hoping we do NOT deal Lowe.)

Swede

July 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm

If we give up Minor for a Bat, couldn’t we get more for him then 2 months rental?

Powderfinger

July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Dang, Bro, my eyes and ears hurt…

JoeBravesFan

July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Lowe isn’t going anywhere until the offseason. He’s a proven 2nd half pitcher and has a lot of postseason experience. And if he IS traded in the offseason, maybe we could use the salary relief to get another year or 2 out of Beltran if he proves worthy. Make the deal now and not wait! I love the line up Tomas posted!

tim

July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Sure. Bring in Beltran, and while you at it, bring back ex pitcher Mike Hampton. They can sit on the bench together and compare so-called injuries.

Wookie Ninja

July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

the former blog had someone erroneously posting that between McLouth & Kawakami there was 12 or 13 mill coming off the books….the total is 14.1 million that coupled with Linebrink 1.5 mill, Agon 2.5 mill, George Sherrill 1.2 mill,Scott the Proctologist 850 k, that adds up to some 20.35 million freed up at seasons end…add in arb raises of about 8 mill and you have about 12 mill left to spend, now if Lowe leaves and The Braves eat say 5 of that coupled together that gives approximately 22 mill to splurge with.. Let the scenarios begin but leave Albert Pujols out of the equation.

Heisenberg

July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

It may seem like there is an abundance of pitching prospects. But when you factor in Hudson & Lowe contracts ending plus JJ & Hanson FA clocks ticking down, there could be 4 spots coming open in the rotation in the next 2-3 years. I am not in favor of trading any top tier pitching prospects for a 2 month rental. Beltran is good but do not expect him to repeat 2004. I will pass if that is the price.

nique

July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Can’t believe they’re considering trading Minor for a couple of months of Beltran. That’s nutz. Trade Lowe for the salary relief and maybe a relief pitcher instead.

GEO123

July 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm

Big Jam,

Good Luck getting the Mets to take McLouth (ie it won’t happen). They have other trade options out there and Minor isn’t good enough for you to make demands like that…

MFin04

July 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm

“OJ, beltran is OPSing .839 vs. lefthanded pitching, on the back on a .549 slg%. that counts as “crushing” to me. hes a lifetime .886 OPSer vs. lefties.”

It isn’t even so much about Beltran is that its about Schafer and McLouth are OPSing almost half of Beltran. When you can almost double your offensive production by adding one player, that’s sick.

Robert

July 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm

“Never a good idea to sign a guy without much speed and without outstanding plate discipline to go along with his power to a deal that lasts deep into that player’s 30’s.”

You mean like the deal we gave Uggla?

Frankie Wren

July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm

Beltran is playing for a contract. We all remember how he played last time he was in the same circumstance.

Yeah 7 homeruns in October, not too bad. This guy has the capability of really stepping it up in the playoffs. LOVE Freeman, but he may resort to a Heyward performance last fall(I think J Hey maybe had one single his last time up against the Gmen). Uggla can go ice cold as well. Beltran would be a difference maker. Win this year, no reason they can’t.

MikeInFl

July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm

I’m trying to get positive with a Minor/Beltran deal, but just can’t get there yet.

We give up Minor…okay, maybe not a huge loss, but a valuable trading chip, for a 2-month rental.

Who plays CF next year? We have to give up more trading chips (pitchers) to fill that spot?

The Mets get (another) first round pick from us. We have to face Minor 3 times a year for half a decade. Maybe a big deal, maybe not.

The Mets, who will be rebuilding next year, get one starter slot filled, and that means more money to go out and sign other players (instead of paying real money for a starter). We’re really giving a boost to a division rival. Not just one starting pitcher, but one who is cost controlled and giving them extra payroll flexibility to get better.

But, I see the “win-now” side of the argument too. Just wish we’d kill two birds with one stone… filling a the current spot but also addressing 2012 and beyond. And do it outside the division.

Oh well… they’re my team, and whatever Frank does, I won’t become a WLB over it!

Threadkiller

July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm

Shaun..Wrong again! Nobody cares what you think about which player is better..
Fredi G and the Veteran Leadership have gone on record about the spark Jordan has provided, and how the team is winning more with him in the line up..The interview where on TV so look it up!
The bottom line is that this “Team” is winning..We have one of the best records in baseball..As of today, we are a playoff team, and with each win, we are one game closer to clinching a playoff spot!

bruce

July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm

I say hold ‘em

AdirondackDave

July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm

Not a easy decision but the Braves have so much pitching at the MLB level and on the farm, I’d be inclined to do some form of the deal but probably not straight-up. Anybody know what Beltran would be looking for as a free agent? At his age and injury history, he may not be prohibitive even as a Boras client. Wonder if they could get a 48 hour negotiating window… I wouldn’t want him for more than a 2 year + 1 year option deal for around 12k per though and he may want 4-5 years which he won’t likely get. I’d do the deal for Minor in a minute if the contract was extended for 2 more years.

Robert

July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm

I can understand why there is hesitancy to trade within the division

But let’s say that I wouldnt all that much mind giving the Mets a small piece to help them try to beat the World Chanmpion Atlanta Braves over the next couple of years

AtlYnkHtr

July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

MFin04, well you would only be doubling the output of that one position and not the whole team.

Eric

July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

Minor, Delgado, Jordan for Hunter Pence? Are you crazy? I like Hunter Pence but we can’t afford to give up that much for Hunter Pence

Jim

July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

Minor Schafer Hoover for Carlos Quentin

Efrim

July 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

I’d trade Minor for Beltran. It’s a tough call, but Beltran is a player that would REALLY add something of an extra level to this offense. Go for it, Frank.

Swede

July 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

Beltran’s splits YTD:

Batting lefthanded:

241 AB, .315 Avg, .424 OBP, .519 SLG, .943 OPS

Batting righthanded:

97 AB, .227 Avg, .286 OBP, .536 SLG, .822 OPS

Cory

July 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

I would LOVE an answer to this! I keep hearing Pence and Beltran as an option in Center and a RF platoon. Is Heyward having a bad enough year to be a platoon player? I’m confused…

TJ Lambert

July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

Dudes We trade for anyone and they will be cursed. Beltran will start hitting like Nate.

Powderfinger

July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

I think holding ‘em is tantamount to settling for the wild card. I’ll take the wild card if necessary, but I want the division if possible.

grandpapeckinpah

July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

“…but the Braves need a right-handed bat, and trading for Bourn would mean they’re giving up on Jordan Schafer. By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”

Well, forget about the world series. We’re not getting there with Schafer leading off with or without Beltran. Schafer obviously cannot hit without HGH. Another lost Braves season. Hurray.

BravesfansinNC

July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

On one hand you hate giving up Minor to the Mets.But on the other-hand Beltran is a really good player still today he is.The Issue is that it might be just for couple of months .If we are going to get Beltran then the Braves must give up much less then Minor because Beltran is schedule to become a Free Agent at the end of the season

Shaun

July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

Frankie Wren, and you don’t have to pour over the stat sheets for days to realize that, when you’ve watched every Braves game, you see McLouth making fewer outs and out-slugging Schafer. Oh, but Schafer’s intangibles and clutch hitting that are harder to see that all those outs and lack of slugging obviously make up for all those outs and that lack of slugging. Isn’t it obvious?

TJ Lambert

July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

Dudes We trade for anyone and they will be cursed. Beltran will start hitting like Nate.

Robert

July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

“Fredi G and the Veteran Leadership have gone on record about the spark Jordan has provided”

It behooves us to pay little attention to what ballplayers say about each other

Weezle

July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

We all need a BJ….Upton that is.

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