(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien this series)
CINCINNATI – Hello there, denizens. We’re switching around on you again, tag-teaming this road trip, so I’m picking up the team in the land of Skyline Chili for the weekend series against the Reds.
Without further ado, let me pick up on some of the discussion out there today about Carlos Beltran and just give you some insight into what I’m hearing.
In a nutshell, it has legs. From what I understand it pretty much boils down to this: the Braves covet Beltran, a switch-hitting outfielder who could give their offense a boost, especially against left-handed pitching, while playing some combination of right and center field.
The Mets covet Mike Minor, who is a major league-ready left-hander and former first round draft pick, who would be easy on the cash-strapped Mets financially for the next half-dozen years.
So if it comes down to that, those two pieces, the Braves have a decision to make, whether they’d give up what is basically their best insurance policy if there’s an injury to the rotation this season and a potential starter on the rotation for years to come for what would in all likelihood be a two-month rental in Beltran.
They’ve been burned by that in the past. Adam Wainwright? Neftali
Feliz? Elvis Andrus?
In recent years, though, the Braves have shown more hesitancy to go that route, hanging on to Tommy Hanson when teams like the Padres were salivating for him, for example. But with an obvious need for a right-handed bat, how should the Braves play it now?
They have a minor league system with some special pitching prospects, already, albeit none with the major league experience Minor has. Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino, Randall Delgado are the Braves’ three prized arms, but all are right-handed. They just drafted left-hander Sean Gilmartin from FSU. Do they figure he’ll be on as fast a track as Minor was?
From what I understand Minor is the guy a lot of teams want; it’s who the Brewers wanted for Corey Hart last year and what the Mets want for Beltran. We’re told scouts from a half dozen teams, as well as Braves assistant GM Bruce Manno, were in Gwinnett last night watching Minor pitch – he went six innings, allowing 10 hits and six runs, though only three were earned, against Louisville.
Based on what Buster Olney of ESPN calls an educated guess, he sees the Braves as a frontrunner for Beltran in a potential deal. Not knowing what the Giants and Phillies would have to offer, or maybe even the Red Sox, I don’t know. But another factor that’s got to weigh on the Braves decision is whether they’d feel the need to play it aggressively so they wouldn’t see the Phillies or Giants get Beltran.
On the other hand, if you’re the Braves would you want to be facing Minor in your division for the next however many years? They never had to worry about that with Wainwright or Feliz.
But wait, there’s more. Giving up Minor would be no small thing, but if you’re trying to acquire say a Hunter Pence from the Astros, it’s apparently going to cost you even more, like two top starting prospects as well as a position player. And Pence is likely to make as much as $10 million in arbitration next year.
Michael Bourn would be a great addition, but the Braves need a right-handed bat, and trading for Bourn would mean they’re giving up on Jordan Schafer. By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.
There is a lot to consider here, and it makes for good blog fodder too. I don’t think it’s something that would happen in the next day or two but if the Braves lose this series to the Reds, maybe they start getting antsy. Best I can tell you is we’ll keep an eye on things.
Roster move
The Braves announced this afternoon they’ve called up Cristhian Martinez from Triple-A Gwinnett and sent down struggling reliever Cory Gearrin. The Braves had sent Martinez to Gwinnett on July 2 to stretch out as a starter, getting in some work after hardly being used as a long man for the Braves. He went 2-1 with a 2.86 ERA in four starts for Gwinnett.
Gearrin has been ineffective of late, and struggled against left-handers especially. Gearrin has allowed 10 runs in his past 3 1/3 innings over five appearances since July 3. He gave up four runs in one inning in Colorado on Tuesday night.
Left-handers are hitting .393 (11-for-28) off Gearrin with a double, three triples and 10 RBIs. While righties are hitting only .143 off him the Braves would like to see him continue to develop a change-up to use against lefties.
Reds series
So the Braves are going from the fire to the frying pan from the hitter-friendly Coors Field to Great American Ballpark for three days. When you couple the fact that their starters were still trying to get back on track after long lay-offs from the All-Star game it wasn’t a good combination for the Braves.
Since the All-Star break, Braves starters are 3-2 with a 6.53 ERA in seven games. The one starter who hasn’t showed any problems despite the longer layoffs is Tim Hudson who has allowed only three runs in 14 innings over two starts.
Jair Jurrjens, who pitches tonight against Bronson Arroyo, had 10 days between starts (he went 1 2/3 in relief in the All-Star game), when he gave up a season-high six runs to the Nationals last Sunday.
Arroyo, who is 7-8 with a 5.57 ERA, meanwhile, has given up four or more runs in four straight starts.
Sorry to cut this short, but I spent a lot of time traveling and on the phone, so I’ve got to close up shop and walk over to the ballpark. More from there.
Lineup
1. Prado 3B
2. Heyward RF
3. McCann C
4. Freeman 1B
5. Hinske LF
6. Gonzalez SS
7. Conrad 2B
8. McLouth CF
9. Jurrjens P
2,838 comments Add your comment
ArkyTech
July 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
Don’t do it.
braveslifer
July 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
Before Minor lost his prospect status he was ranked as the 37th best prospect by Baseball America. The link below says that a top 26-50 pitcher is worth $14.2M. Someone posted that Beltran would likely be worth an additional 1.5WAR this season. This season 1 WAR is worth $4.4M. So using the 1.5WAR estimate Beltran would be worth $6.6M. Things to consider: WAR is worth more to playoffs teams and Beltran’s injury history. If we did trade Minor for Beltran; I’m think that the Mets would have to pay his remaining salary and hopefully through in a right handed RP.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/9/785001/nl-east-farm-system-values
O.J.
July 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
What the heck Carroll, you mention that Beltran would be acquired to help against left handed pitchers, but have you seen his numbers against lefties? Horrid.
Stan
July 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
how many times as Beltran been on the DL the past 3 years?
NickB
July 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
I have to say….. Beltran might be the bat that puts this team in the World Series….. Gilmartin looks promising (and according to some scouts has a higher cieling than Minor) If we didn’t have all these great young arms I would say no. But Minor seems to be the one expendable pitcher of the main group of 4 or 5 (if you count Carlos perez and I certainly do) I would do the deal…. Especially if the Mets are paying most of his $$$ for the rest of the season. i don’t see how Jonny Gomes or Ludwick are signficant enough of players to make a trade for them worthwhile…. If we are gonna go for it, make the Beltran deal.
Eric
July 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm
I would trade Minor for Beltran in a heartbeat
Peter
July 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm
How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?
tradeOd
July 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm
do it
Martin Elginbrod
July 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm
Do it. Minor is Jo Jo Reyes light.
ernesto
July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
minor for beltran is a bad deal – don’t make it
O.J.
July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
I would give up Minor as well, because we have so much other pitching, why not. Teheran has made a few starts in the bigs and didnt do horrible. So he would be the guy they brought up if a pitcher got injured.
tradeOd
July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
a left handed kyle davies
Martin Elginbrod
July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
“How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?”
By crushing it?
ArkyTech
July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
Not to the Mets, a division rival. And not for a 2 month rental.
DAP
July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
i think the beltran trade would be a much easier decision if he was still a legit CFer. trading for him is going to require alot of moving pieces when it comes to filling out the lineup card.
PMC
July 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm
Is there an over under on how soon Beltran gets hurt?
Pierson Brave
July 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm
Beltran…..meh
O.J.
July 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm
Martin Elginbrod, check Beltran’s numbers against lefties, buddy.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
GET BELTRAN! Here’s a guy whose played in almost everygame this year. He’s playing outfield everyday and people think he’s going to breakdown playing Center field????????? He is there 2 1/2 months and not everyday. Is this April you say no way, but c’mon 2 months. This guy gets you to the World Series THIS YEAR. Same people who mistakenly said “Lance Berkman hasn’t played outfield forever, no way”. Go get this short of giving away Teheran or Vizcaino which they won’t.
DAP
July 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
peter How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?
check some splits, bud. youll see.
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
This is a tough one. But we have to give up something, and Minor might be the most palatable option. I don’t like facing him several times each year, but the other young studs have to be considered untouchable, right?
VaBravesFan
July 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
If the Braves are gonna trade Minor for Beltran do it ASAP instead of waiting…. Its not like Beltrans price is gonna drop by the day. They want Minor so if we plan on pulling the trigger I’d say do it now so Beltran can be in the lineup tomorrow. I’m not saying i agree with dealing Minor for him, just saying lets not keep waiting…
bob
July 22nd, 2011
3:31 pm
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JoeBravesFan
July 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm
I MIGHT trade Minor for Beltran, if we could have Beltran for more than just the rest of this year. DOB makes a good point in that the Braves would have to face Minor when they play the Mets for many years to come. While I agree we need offense, I’m not sure giving up Minor for 2-3 months of injury-prone Beltran is worth it.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm
They should get Beltran only if it means sending Schafer packing. They can’t seriously be thinking about Beltran taking ABs away from Heyward and Prado in favor of keeping Schafer in the lineup
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm
I agree about the waiting. There’s another week’s worth of games before the deadline. If you’re gonna do it, do it now.
Fish Bisch
July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm
Thanks for the new blog Cara. Your hard is appreciated.
MFin04
July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm
“How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?”
Does anyone look at numbers before saying stuff?
Beltran .839 OPS
Schafer .495 OPS
McLouth .516 OPS
Bama Brave
July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm
I hope the braves make a trade with the stros. pence or bourn. get both!
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm
BJ Upton wants to be a Brave. I talked to his parole officer…I mean cousin…and he mentioned that BJ’s declining stats are a result of him not being happy down in Tampa.
Chris W
July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm
They should’ve DFA’d Proctor if they were going to call up Martinez.
Chop Chop
July 22nd, 2011
3:33 pm
Minor and a lesser prospect for Beltran would be fine with me.
FlyOnTheWall
July 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
What has Minor done since his 1st starts last year? Trade now…do it!
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
Schafer is a pretty good insurance policy in case Prado is forced somewhere else, if you know what I mean…
Kat
July 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
Carroll, thanks for the great summation of where we’re at with all the trade talk; very easy read but with a lot of pertinent info.
Big JAM
July 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
If we give up Minor for Beltran
We’ve GOT to throw Nate Mc in with the deal.
We won’t use him over JHey
They like Schafer over Nate (so he’s not replaced)
Prado can cover the lead off spot when Beltran plays CF
Beltran can play RF, CF, & LF
Prado can cover for LF, 3b, 2b.
Nate is just a waste of bench space then, so let him go to the Mets.
Now… where do we bat Beltran in the order???
bob
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
I say make the deal. The move gives the Braves a better chance to win the World Series. The have three good young starters now plus Hudson who has a couple good years left, which will give plenty of time for the three arms in the minors to get ready. You cant have a seven man rotation so I think Minor is expendable
Martin Elginbrod
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
OJ, is it the .840 OPS versus lefties this year or the .886 OPS lifetime versus lefties that you don’t like? Please don’t tell me you’re stuck on batting average.
dixiebrave
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Just a thought for 2012, If Chipper retires after this year & the Braves can trade Lowe during the offseason, maybe the Braves could make a real push to sign Pujols to play 3B.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
If the Braves acquire Beltran, they’ll have the best lineup in MLB, the best bullpen in MLB, and the second best pitching staff. The best lineup if healthy that is.
LF Martin Prado
RF Jason Heyward
CF Carlos Beltran
C Brian McCann
3B Chipper Jones
1B Freddy Freeman
2B Dan Uggla
SS Alex Gonzalez
Pitcher
Uggla will probably be walked a million times, but what a lineup
Ward
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Before: I go I say make the deal. We need a bat,and it’s all about chances.Do it!!!!!!Peace out my firends…………..
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Minor pitching against the Braves for years to come, so what? I would be much more concerned about Johan Santana honestly.
NickB
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
as a RHB versus LHP Beltrans numbers are .232/.291/.547 OPS-.839 He doesn’t get on base much , but man does he slug the crap out of the ball against lefties. He’d be a huge improvement over Schafer…. But he really does hit righties better (.970 OPS against em)… I’d honestly rather see him take over in CF for the rest of the season and give Jordan the odd bi-weekly start and use him to pinch run and late inning defense personally.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Thinkin about Wookie punching Jeff Francouer in that huge schnozzola
Missing Comments
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Ask yourself a simple question…. and it really is this simple. Who gives you a better chance to advance well into the playoffs? Beltran or Gomes?
Yes it is that simple. Minor does not have a higher ceiling than Beachy, Teheran, Vizcaino or Delgado. Another name to ponder is Tommy Hanson. Minor is and will be less of a factor in the big leagues than those aforementioned names… bank on it!
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Beltran career vs. LHP:
.362/.524/.886
This season:
.291/.547/.839
OK, the OBP is low this season but it’s a very small sample size and he’s still slugging like crazy off of them. Some of these comments are just ignunt.
Ward
July 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm
Have a great game tonight, My friends”Go!!!! Braves!!!!!!”
Shaun
July 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm
“How in the hell would Beltran help against left handed pitching?”
Does anyone look at numbers before saying stuff?
Beltran .839 OPS
Schafer .495 OPS
McLouth .516 OPS
How dare you! You know that numbers don’t tell the story. For instance, Schafer is better than McLouth because my perception says so. It doesn’t matter what the numbers say these players have actually done. All that matters is my perception of what they’ve done. How dare you use objective data instead of your own perceptions!
The Scout
July 22nd, 2011
3:37 pm
I’ve seen enough of Schafer and McLouth.
Lets go after Michael Bourn !
If we could unload Lowe’s contract, Hunter Pence would be possible.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm
Tomas, the lineup is tough but you might want to check out those in the Bronx and Boston before declaring it the best. Those two are kinda awesome.
Kentavo
July 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm
Go get him now; worry about the lineup later. There’s no guarantee Chipper comes back anytime soon.
Missing Comments
July 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm
Pence may cost you 22 mil or more over two years! YIKES! Don’t think he’s worth that. He’ll also cost you Minor and a REAL pitching prospect as well!
DAP
July 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm
OJ, beltran is OPSing .839 vs. lefthanded pitching, on the back on a .549 slg%. that counts as “crushing” to me. hes a lifetime .886 OPSer vs. lefties.
Fish Bisch
July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm
The Great American Ballpark owns us
CrαZy
July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm
You guys who want the trade to happen because you don’t like Minor are the same tools who will be bit#%ing 3 years from now about the Minor for Beltran trade.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm
People can’t seem to face the fact that the Braves will not have a 10 man rotation in the future
Beachy, Minor, Teheran, Delgado, Viscaino, Hoover will not all end up on the Braves starting rotation. I bet about three or four of them will be traded or won’t be nearly as good as people are projecting them to be.
Minor for Beltran is a fair deal. If Minor turns out to be a star, more power to him. It’s the same with Jo Jo Reyes and Kyle Davies
Rupert
July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm
Got to do it if that’s all they want. I know a lot of folks don’t want to trade any pitching prospect, ever. However, the Braves are a top 4 MLB team right now and have a legit shot at winning a World Series. A bat like Beltran could really put them over the top, plus it keeps him away from the rivals. Minor is the 4th best pitching prospect of the group. He could be really good, but he could also be Jojo Reyes. Odds are he will be traded at some point because of the numbers and the upside of the other guys. Make the move now, try to win now. If you don’t try to win, why play?
Beltran is playing for a contract. We all remember how he played last time he was in the same circumstance.
Larry
July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm
trade Minor Delgado & Schafer for Pence
Bay Area Steve
July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm
You’re a hard guy to like, Shaun.
Very hard. What a shame…
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm
I promise not to bit#% 3 years from now. But I might moan…
Josh
July 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm
it’s not like we would be trading Teheran, Delgado or Vizcaino. Get Beltran and we may end up with a parade in Atlanta in October.
just SHOOT me
July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
It has also been rumored on ESPN that the Mets are interested in another one of our pitching prospects named Wellington Levine. He’s a righty with a nasty fast ball..Clocked around 101. Problem with giving up Levine is he’s great talent and we’d more likely than not only have Beltran for two months.
Kendell Jones
July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
Don’t know that much about Beltran,but I just don’t think we should give up Minor for him. We know that Minor will eventually be in the lineup on a regular basis, but we don;t want an aged Beltran who has a tendency to injuries.
Big JAM
July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
CrαZy
Yea… but we might be the same guys cheering at the end of the season when we win the World Series!!
Big Ed
July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
How much do you think it would take to re-sign Beltran and for what length of contract. Surely at age 35 next year he wouldn’t be asking for the same kind of contract he just finished. What do you think. If the Braves can re-sign him I think they should pull the trigger. Maybe they get a 48hr. window to re-sign him long term.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
How dare you! You know that numbers don’t tell the story. For instance, Schafer is better than McLouth because my perception says so. It doesn’t matter what the numbers say these players have actually done. All that matters is my perception of what they’ve done. How dare you use objective data instead of your own perceptions!
Shaun Aka Tim Kurkjian, aka “The Professor”- The astute baseball folk here factor not only statistics but what the particular player brings to the field with intangibles- attitude, defensive abilities, abilities to hit in the clutch(yes clutch situations Professor). Don’t have to pour over Stat sheets for days to see a guy like Beltran help teams win.
Go back to pouring over your data Professor.
Shaun
July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
Can we please stop listing a players OBP, SLG, and then his OPS? You don’t need OPS if you are going to point out both OBP and SLG anyway. OPS is combining the two stats that you just listed separately so it’s pointless.
If you want something like OPS but that’s even better, point to Weighted On-Base Average, or wOBA. It’s based on the actual run value of each type of hit and walks that a player gets. So, for example, while slugging counts doubles as twice as valuable as singles, wOBA counts each hit based on run value which is based on run expectancy.
Bro
July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
NOT WORTH IT FOR A TWO MONTH RENTAL. FIND A GOOD YOUNG RIGHT HANDED BAT THAT WOULD BE WITH THE BRAVES FOR AT LEAST 3-4 YEARS. SHORT TERM RENTALS OR LIKE A “SHORT SALE” IN REAL ESTATE–A REAL PAIN IN THE BUTT.
IF YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING DO IT OUT OF YOUR DIVISION. IT NEVER PAYS TO TRADE WITHIN YOUR DIVISION ESPECIALLY FOR A RENTAL UNIT. TRADE WITH THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. USE THE OLD BRAIN MR WREN.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
BAMA dude, you’re right, well 3rd best, and best in the NL
DS1
July 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm
Could the Cristian Martinez call up be a smoke screen for a Lowe deal?
I know they were trying to stretch him out……
Inquiring minds want to know.
(I am hoping we do NOT deal Lowe.)
Swede
July 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm
If we give up Minor for a Bat, couldn’t we get more for him then 2 months rental?
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
Dang, Bro, my eyes and ears hurt…
JoeBravesFan
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
Lowe isn’t going anywhere until the offseason. He’s a proven 2nd half pitcher and has a lot of postseason experience. And if he IS traded in the offseason, maybe we could use the salary relief to get another year or 2 out of Beltran if he proves worthy. Make the deal now and not wait! I love the line up Tomas posted!
tim
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
Sure. Bring in Beltran, and while you at it, bring back ex pitcher Mike Hampton. They can sit on the bench together and compare so-called injuries.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
the former blog had someone erroneously posting that between McLouth & Kawakami there was 12 or 13 mill coming off the books….the total is 14.1 million that coupled with Linebrink 1.5 mill, Agon 2.5 mill, George Sherrill 1.2 mill,Scott the Proctologist 850 k, that adds up to some 20.35 million freed up at seasons end…add in arb raises of about 8 mill and you have about 12 mill left to spend, now if Lowe leaves and The Braves eat say 5 of that coupled together that gives approximately 22 mill to splurge with.. Let the scenarios begin but leave Albert Pujols out of the equation.
Heisenberg
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
It may seem like there is an abundance of pitching prospects. But when you factor in Hudson & Lowe contracts ending plus JJ & Hanson FA clocks ticking down, there could be 4 spots coming open in the rotation in the next 2-3 years. I am not in favor of trading any top tier pitching prospects for a 2 month rental. Beltran is good but do not expect him to repeat 2004. I will pass if that is the price.
nique
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
Can’t believe they’re considering trading Minor for a couple of months of Beltran. That’s nutz. Trade Lowe for the salary relief and maybe a relief pitcher instead.
GEO123
July 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm
Big Jam,
Good Luck getting the Mets to take McLouth (ie it won’t happen). They have other trade options out there and Minor isn’t good enough for you to make demands like that…
MFin04
July 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm
“OJ, beltran is OPSing .839 vs. lefthanded pitching, on the back on a .549 slg%. that counts as “crushing” to me. hes a lifetime .886 OPSer vs. lefties.”
It isn’t even so much about Beltran is that its about Schafer and McLouth are OPSing almost half of Beltran. When you can almost double your offensive production by adding one player, that’s sick.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm
“Never a good idea to sign a guy without much speed and without outstanding plate discipline to go along with his power to a deal that lasts deep into that player’s 30’s.”
You mean like the deal we gave Uggla?
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm
Beltran is playing for a contract. We all remember how he played last time he was in the same circumstance.
Yeah 7 homeruns in October, not too bad. This guy has the capability of really stepping it up in the playoffs. LOVE Freeman, but he may resort to a Heyward performance last fall(I think J Hey maybe had one single his last time up against the Gmen). Uggla can go ice cold as well. Beltran would be a difference maker. Win this year, no reason they can’t.
MikeInFl
July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm
I’m trying to get positive with a Minor/Beltran deal, but just can’t get there yet.
We give up Minor…okay, maybe not a huge loss, but a valuable trading chip, for a 2-month rental.
Who plays CF next year? We have to give up more trading chips (pitchers) to fill that spot?
The Mets get (another) first round pick from us. We have to face Minor 3 times a year for half a decade. Maybe a big deal, maybe not.
The Mets, who will be rebuilding next year, get one starter slot filled, and that means more money to go out and sign other players (instead of paying real money for a starter). We’re really giving a boost to a division rival. Not just one starting pitcher, but one who is cost controlled and giving them extra payroll flexibility to get better.
But, I see the “win-now” side of the argument too. Just wish we’d kill two birds with one stone… filling a the current spot but also addressing 2012 and beyond. And do it outside the division.
Oh well… they’re my team, and whatever Frank does, I won’t become a WLB over it!
Threadkiller
July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm
Shaun..Wrong again! Nobody cares what you think about which player is better..
Fredi G and the Veteran Leadership have gone on record about the spark Jordan has provided, and how the team is winning more with him in the line up..The interview where on TV so look it up!
The bottom line is that this “Team” is winning..We have one of the best records in baseball..As of today, we are a playoff team, and with each win, we are one game closer to clinching a playoff spot!
bruce
July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm
I say hold ‘em
AdirondackDave
July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm
Not a easy decision but the Braves have so much pitching at the MLB level and on the farm, I’d be inclined to do some form of the deal but probably not straight-up. Anybody know what Beltran would be looking for as a free agent? At his age and injury history, he may not be prohibitive even as a Boras client. Wonder if they could get a 48 hour negotiating window… I wouldn’t want him for more than a 2 year + 1 year option deal for around 12k per though and he may want 4-5 years which he won’t likely get. I’d do the deal for Minor in a minute if the contract was extended for 2 more years.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm
I can understand why there is hesitancy to trade within the division
But let’s say that I wouldnt all that much mind giving the Mets a small piece to help them try to beat the World Chanmpion Atlanta Braves over the next couple of years
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
MFin04, well you would only be doubling the output of that one position and not the whole team.
Eric
July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
Minor, Delgado, Jordan for Hunter Pence? Are you crazy? I like Hunter Pence but we can’t afford to give up that much for Hunter Pence
Jim
July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
Minor Schafer Hoover for Carlos Quentin
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
I’d trade Minor for Beltran. It’s a tough call, but Beltran is a player that would REALLY add something of an extra level to this offense. Go for it, Frank.
Swede
July 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
Beltran’s splits YTD:
Batting lefthanded:
241 AB, .315 Avg, .424 OBP, .519 SLG, .943 OPS
Batting righthanded:
97 AB, .227 Avg, .286 OBP, .536 SLG, .822 OPS
Cory
July 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
I would LOVE an answer to this! I keep hearing Pence and Beltran as an option in Center and a RF platoon. Is Heyward having a bad enough year to be a platoon player? I’m confused…
TJ Lambert
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
Dudes We trade for anyone and they will be cursed. Beltran will start hitting like Nate.
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
I think holding ‘em is tantamount to settling for the wild card. I’ll take the wild card if necessary, but I want the division if possible.
grandpapeckinpah
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
“…but the Braves need a right-handed bat, and trading for Bourn would mean they’re giving up on Jordan Schafer. By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”
Well, forget about the world series. We’re not getting there with Schafer leading off with or without Beltran. Schafer obviously cannot hit without HGH. Another lost Braves season. Hurray.
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
On one hand you hate giving up Minor to the Mets.But on the other-hand Beltran is a really good player still today he is.The Issue is that it might be just for couple of months .If we are going to get Beltran then the Braves must give up much less then Minor because Beltran is schedule to become a Free Agent at the end of the season
Shaun
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
Frankie Wren, and you don’t have to pour over the stat sheets for days to realize that, when you’ve watched every Braves game, you see McLouth making fewer outs and out-slugging Schafer. Oh, but Schafer’s intangibles and clutch hitting that are harder to see that all those outs and lack of slugging obviously make up for all those outs and that lack of slugging. Isn’t it obvious?
TJ Lambert
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
Dudes We trade for anyone and they will be cursed. Beltran will start hitting like Nate.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
“Fredi G and the Veteran Leadership have gone on record about the spark Jordan has provided”
It behooves us to pay little attention to what ballplayers say about each other
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
We all need a BJ….Upton that is.
Fryedawg
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
Can anyone tell me the starting CF when Chipper returns? Who sits, Jordan or Nate?
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
Denard Span anyone?
nybravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm
I’m reading a few people mention that if we trade Lowe we would have room to pay for Pence. If we trade for Pence and have to give up 2-3 pitching prospects the Braves might not feel they are in a position to trade Lowe. I’m thinking if the Braves trade Minor for Beltran they might not trade Lowe anymore. Wouldn’t Minor be the call up if the Braves traded Lowe? Can anyone with insight comment on this. Ever since the Beltran / Pence rumors came about we have not heard anything about Lowe. Thanks
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm
Yep, Schafer’s the reason why McCann and Freeman are having amazing years and the pitching staff is carrying the team.
All thanks to Schafer and his “spark”
Kat
July 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm
Carroll posted the lineup on twitter…
#Braves lineup: 1. Prado 3B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. McCann C, 4. Freeman 1B, 5. Hinske LF, 6. Gonzalez SS, 7. Conrad 2B 8 McLouth CF 9 Jurrjens P
coach
July 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm
Marlon Byrd and Kerry Wood for mid level prospects and McLouth
Skip Caray
July 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm
We have to make this deal not only to get beltran, but to block Philly from picking him up
MikeInFl
July 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm
The 8 HR against lefties are nice, but aside from that, his #’s against LHP are Schaferial.
Billy
July 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm
I would give up Schafer and Minor for Michael Bourn in a heartbeat!!!!
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm
“But, I see the “win-now” side of the argument too. Just wish we’d kill two birds with one stone… filling a the current spot but also addressing 2012 and beyond. And do it outside the division.”
Gee – wouldnt it be nice if we could trade KK and McLouth for Pujols and have the Cardinals pay his salary
Legitimate chances to win the World Series are not an opportunity to be wasted because you arent quite getting everything you’d want in a perfect world, or because you are pretty sure the team is going to be good for the next few years
In other words – Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered
nique
July 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm
Swede – wow, if those are the splits why is FW even considering a deal for him?!
Hank
July 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm
I can’t see bringing on board another player that some team wants to unload. We’ve been there, done that, and paid dearly for doing it. He would not improve our outfield and lefty pitchers eat him alive.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm
“…but the Braves need a right-handed bat, and trading for Bourn would mean they’re giving up on Jordan Schafer. By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”
Understandable, these are the same idiots who gushed over Scott Proctor.
CrαZy
July 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm
Big Jam,
Or when he gets injured we could use him as an excuse to why we didn’t win like last year!!!!
stamper
July 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm
Beltran and Isringhausen for Minor and McLouth.
Ben Gunby
July 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm
Fact of the matter is Minor is likely going to only ever be 5th, 4th at best, starter for us. We have a chance to get a guy who could be enough of an offensive boost to get us a very, very legitimate shot at winning a World Series this year. Don’t you play to win the game? Giving your 4 or 5 starter for the future, if even that, for an impact bat that can do that, you make the deal. This isn’t giving up a 4 or 5 starter, a starting shortstop, and en elite catcher prospect ALL for just an impact bat.
CrαZy
July 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm
I’m not saying I didn’t want Beltran! I just realize Minor is a coveted piece many teams want and these people know more than me and you. He’s not JoJo yet and at the end of the day Minor could end up being a good ML pitcher. If it goes down we’ll be giving away a solid MLB ready pitching prospect for a star bat for a playoff run.
Blockbuster
July 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
Trade Minor, Gonzalez (not Freddi) and a prospect or 2 for Beltran AND Reyes. Now there’s a blockbuster
Fargo
July 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
@wookieninja….I like the idea. but is clearly not in the cards.
a. hes a lefty
b. hes currently on the DL
Shaun
July 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
grandpapeckinpah, who cares if Schafer can hit. It’s his intangibles that are going to help the Braves get to the World Series. You know, his attitude. That’s what wins ball games, attitude. Doesn’t matter that you hit like James Loney. I wish the Braves had 9 Jordan Schafers and James Loneys…you know, for their attitude and intangibles. What? You don’t see it? You must not watch games.
(That was obviously sarcasm. But I do disagree that the Braves can’t make it to the Series, even if, God forbid, the insist on playing Schafer and hitting him leadoff consistently. They have enough talent elsewhere to make up for that deficiency. It would make it a little bit harder, though. Let’s hope they don’t insist on doing that.)
PMC
July 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
Seriously, they have to make some kind of trade. McClouth is unable to contribute anything of substance. Prado will have to play 3rd quite a bit. If it’s Beltran I’m ok with it. Minor has limited value for this team outside of the fact that he’s a lefty.
They can’t keep drafting pitchers and holding on to them when the outfield is this bad.
MFin04
July 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
I guess it is a good feeling when I’m actually upset that Uggla is out of the lineup.
Swede
July 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
Michael Bourn’s splits YTD:
Against righties:
286 AB, .301 Avg, .360 OBP, .402 SLG, .762 OPS
Against lefties:
105 AB, .276 Avg, .333 OBP, .390 SLG, .723 OPS
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
Interesting article about Franceour and coming home again.
http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2011/07/baseball-teams-blind-spots-and-burned.html
Najeh Davenpoop
July 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm
Minor for Beltran 3030 is a good deal. Get it done.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm
Heisenberg
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
It may seem like there is an abundance of pitching prospects. But when you factor in Hudson & Lowe contracts ending plus JJ & Hanson FA clocks ticking down, there could be 4 spots coming open in the rotation in the next 2-3 years.
Teheran, Delgado, Beachy, Vizcaino, name your fifth out of several options.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm
Shaun, McLouth still sucks. And don’t forget defensive value, while not easily quantified, is very real.
MikeInFl
July 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm
Gee – wouldnt it be nice if we could trade KK and McLouth for Pujols and have the Cardinals pay his salary
I don’t post crap like that Robert. Pence, Bourn, and others are legitimate targets who would do what I suggested. Not saying they’re perfect, or within reasonable reach (I don’t know), but don’t mike it sound like I’m making outlandish proposals. Thanks.
Kyle
July 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm
If Beltran doesn’t work out and the price for Pence is too steep, what about bringing Frenchy back? He’d be cheap, you’d have to play musical chairs in the outfield, but he’d be cheap.
Fryedawg
July 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm
Keep prospects. Their pitching will carry them in the playoffs. Sooner or later Braves will need to trade for future 3rd baseman unless Prado is the answer there.
mvprado
July 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm
Another thing to factor in – Beltran has some pretty decent numbers versus the Phillies. Could come in handy say … in October, or something.
Geoff
July 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm
Check the past 3 years guys… Beltran’s OPS vs Lefties is over 1.000… just saying. Get it done!
Blockbuster
July 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm
Seriously, I would rather see the Braves get Gomes from the Reds and platoon him with Heyward. If they’re considering trading Minor, it must mean the D Lowe trade is not happening.
Brava
July 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm
Wayne, saw your comment about Martinez. I also find it odd that he would be stretched out as a starter and wonder if something is till going on with Lowe.
ChillyMutt
July 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm
Give up a starting left handed pitch on the cheap for 6 years for a two month injury prone rental?
No thank you.
Brava
July 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm
still, not till
Chris W
July 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm
One thing no one has pointed out: if we don’t get Beltran, it looks like the Giants or Phillies will. So not only would we be stuck with Schafer’s terrible ‘production’ in CF, but then our chief competition to get to the World Series would add a .911 OPS bat.
Peter
July 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm
I said no until I saw the sample lineup with him in it. We could be a pretty damn complete team
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm
Frenchy scares me. There’s too much mental stuff to worry about, especially when you consider that as soon as he goes 0 for 4 or 0 for 5, then Joe Fan will be on him like a cheap suit.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm
Robert–where did you read about the OPS+ being based on standard deviations above and below the mean? If that’s true that’s very interesting–something I’d like to know more about.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm
If it goes down we’ll be giving away a solid MLB ready pitching prospect for a star bat for a playoff run.
Are you worried about our starting pitching staff in the next 5 years? I am not. I worry about offense although it isn’t as bad as people think. Beltran makes this a very good offense for 2 months and possibly a parade on Peachtree street. What a concept that is.
MFin04
July 22nd, 2011
3:59 pm
I don’t think you can underestimate the need to get a guy before your two playoff rivals (Giants and Phillies) do.
grandpapeckinpah
July 22nd, 2011
3:59 pm
@Shaun I get what you’re saying, and IMO we need to add a RH reliever more than a bat. But there’s only so much pop-out/strikeout 1st outs to start a game that I can take.
ChillyMutt
July 22nd, 2011
3:59 pm
LMAO @ “what about bringing Frenchy back? ”
Too funny.
Heisenberg
July 22nd, 2011
3:59 pm
@BAMA dude
Medlen would be the 5th
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm
184 missed games since the start of the 09 season. Moved from CF because of chronic knee problems. Likely to go down to injury at a moment’s notice which might actually spelll the end of his career. Stil owed $9 million this year and is a Free Agent at seaqson’s end with no possibility of even garnering draft choices in return.
All of that for a p[itcher drafted in the first round who at least six teams deem worthy of sending scouts to look at him and the player most teams ask for in any trade scenario, projected at the very least to be a mid rotation starter, under contractual control for six full years, three at the MLB minimum.
Now why wouldn’t a sane person do this deal.
Sheesh.
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm
Keeping Beltran from the Phillies is definitely a bonus.
SC Ace
July 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm
I’d rather get Pence. Any way they consider trading one of the big three (Delgado, maybe?) as centerpiece in a deal for Pence. I just like the idea of having control longer than 2 months. We’d still have Tehran and Vizcaino, not to mention Gilmartin, Beachy, Hanson, and Jurrjens as our young studs. Hudson as the vet leaders.
You could still move Lowe to make room for Pence’s salary. We’ll also be losing the Kawakami albatross for next season’s payroll; McLouth too.
The thing that bothers me about trading Minor is that we’re short on lefty pitchers.
Chanticleer
July 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm
Do it, do it, do it!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm
Trade Minor, Gonzalez (not Freddi) and a prospect or 2 for Beltran AND Reyes. Now there’s a blockbuster
Yeah. The Mets will be all over that…
DS1
July 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm
Shafer plays CF when Chipper returns. For the glove.
Threadkiller
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
Lew..Well said!
Powderfinger
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
Dang, Lew, you just peed on my parade. I hate facts and logic.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
“Problem with giving up Levine is he’s great talent and we’d more likely than not only have Beltran for two months.”
Out of every one hundred great talents, you end up with a handful of great ballplayers
If Levine is the missing piece – let them have it.
Remember that being labelled a prospect means that someone thinks you MIGHT be good someday
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
Lew, why is the cash owed to Beltran for the balance of the season a dealbreaker if LM has the cash or New York eats some of it?
DNice
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
I say give Nate Dog, some old jersey’s, and a Mark Wohlers retro jersey with the Terry Harper throwbacks and call it a deal.
Chris from the Rock
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
Here’s another item to think about: Beltran projects to be a Type A FA. He wants a multi-year deal, and most of all, Boras wants a multi-year deal. He probably won’t consider arbitration. So maybe it’s Mike Minor for 2 months of Carlos Beltran, a 1st round pick and a sandwich pick.
PMC
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
Thing is, we don’t know that Bourne is available. We do know Beltran is to be dealt. It might be a situation like that.
I’d rather have Bourne to set the table. It’s not a give up on Schafer. Schafer is a 4th outfielder, he can platoon in left and right or play center can’t he?
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
NO! Not no but HELL NO to Jeff Francouer! get over it.There is enough inept bats in the line-up now.
Leave ol Pinnochinose right where he is at KC
DWW
July 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
Almost every trade Wren has made to this point has been one nobody saw coming. I would expect the same this time around. It almost seems as if he and his staff stoke the fire of rumors to distract the media from what is really happening.
Don Green
July 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
We can win with what we have. So instead of looking at it as what we need to solidifying the change to win this year, I’d try to make a deal that would put us in contention for the next 2-4 years. I know he is a left handed hitter, but I’d go after Colby Rasmus of St. Louis. The guy is in the dog house over there but has 5 tool potential, I think he just needs a change of scenary:
What about something like this:
1. OF-Colby Rasmus
2. RP-P.J. Walters
for
1. SP-Mike Minor
2. OF-Nate McLouth
3. 3B-Brandon Hicks
4. SS-Diory Hernandez
5. OF-Matt Young
Yunel #1 Fan
July 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
I HATE this rental trades. I really do. I think giving up 6 years of Minor for 2 months of Beltran would a very stupid thing to do. We have the prospects to trade for anyone. I would rather give up 2 or 3 prospects for a guy like Pence.
MFin04
July 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
Looked at Gomes, know nothing about him, but has only played LF or DH the last 2 season. Guy can hit lefties, but can he actually play CF?
Kentavo
July 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
You know, I cringed when Phillies picked up Oswalt, who would have loved to come to the Bravos, so if anything we gotta block Beltran from going to Philly.
Heisenberg
July 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm
Philly would have to probably send Dominic Brown for Beltran. So they are having the same debate. They have depleted their farm system the past couple years getting Halladay & Oswalt, so they may not have much else left that is attractive.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm
“He’s not JoJo yet and at the end of the day Minor could end up being a good ML pitcher. If it goes down we’ll be giving away a solid MLB ready pitching prospect for a star bat for a playoff run”
and if that gets us a World Series title, then that’s a trade I’d beg to do every year
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm
Shaun, McLouth still sucks. And don’t forget defensive value, while not easily quantified, is very real.
Steve from Ohio- give it up. The Professor does not agree and shames those that follow Fredi and FW blindly without question.
McLouth couldn’t hit a pinata at a 10 yr olds birthday party.
Brava
July 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm
I agree, DWW.
Shaun
July 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm
Actually Francoeur wouldn’t be a bad option. It would just cause too much distraction and hullabaloo. They’d just have to make sure he doesn’t go near a right-handed pitcher, even in batting practice.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm
Chris, to get the 1st rd pick and sandwich pick, the Braves would have to offer ARB to Beltran, only catch is Beltran has a contract that prohibits offering ARB, he is a Free type A free agent, no draft pick compensation.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm
Lew, this is how it works. You know that. Prospects are the currency, MLB stars on teams out of contention are the goods. Like it or not baseball is dominated by pitching right now, making bats worth a premium. We won’t get a player for Minor who can help us this year more than Beltran, and this year is what this conversation is all about. I’d love to see Chipper get another ring and would be more than willing to give up Minor in exchange for it.
Hillbilly
July 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm
With all of this drooling over Beltran going on, I’m betting Anders is preparing himself for a show-stopping blog return, fully equipped with a chamber full of told-you-so’s and Na-nuh, Na-nuh, Boo-Boo’s.
John Leonard
July 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm
Even if the Braves get Beltran,the only way they win WS is with their pitching.If the pitching stays hot during playoffs,we win.One player is not going to carry this offense deprived team.We have a chance now with the pitching.Why get a rental? If they can make a trade for a bat that will figure in our future,go for it.
Heisenberg
July 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm
Gomes has played CF before. But he is probably more a corner OF.
Play Beltran Where?
July 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm
Left field in place of Martin Prado? Right field in place of Jason Heyward? Center field in place of Jordan Schafer and Nate McLouth? Bullpen coach in place of Eddie Perez? Could Beltran hit for Alex Gonzalez while Alex stays in the field? Beltran is a defensive liability who happens to be having an unexpected real good year with the bat. He is brittle and getting old and not worth giving away great pitching. Leave this team alone and let it finish the season.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm
Frankencouer burned too many bridges with the Braves Front Office, he will not be returning!
CrαZy
July 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm
Ryan Church is availible!!!
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
MFin04
July 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
Looked at Gomes, know nothing about him, but has only played LF or DH the last 2 season. Guy can hit lefties, but can he actually play CF?
Dude had a heart attack in his early twenties and came back from it. Pretty cool story.
PMC
July 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
All this said, the fact this is in the media is probably an attempt to pressure the Phillies into giving up D. Brown.
John Galt
July 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
I’d do it only if we want Beltran next year too and he’d agree to a reasonable extension. But I don’t think we want him next year and I don’t think he’d sign reasonably. So I’d pass.
Put me in the camp of those who are not ready to give up on Schafer. When everyone is healthy, I think our current roster can win the East. We just need another arm in the bullpen; I’ll chip in for Proctor’s bus ticket out of town.
CrαZy
July 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
*available*
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
MikeinFla – This team has a legitimate shot to win it all this year. That’s special. And we have to realize that. At that point all that stuff about gee in a perfect world you dont tarde to a division rival, gee in a perfect world you dont trade a starting pitcher – all that goes out the window -
Cuz if you get hung up on that, then guess what – some team willing to go for it grabs the prize and the ring and your legitimate chance has gone down the Cox
NYMIKEY
July 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
No way do you make this trade! Your trading a future left handed star to your rival for a guy who is going to leave in the off-season! SWEETEN THE PACKAGE AND GET HUNTER PENSE! A SUPERSTAR!!!
Juan
July 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
The Mets are making move..Claim Baxter OF/1b from the Padres…dfa Nick Evans to open spot for David Wright…Next Carlos Beltran
rob
July 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
I would be ok with the move but i would prefer to trade Minor and another very good prospect(not Julio,Vizcaino or Delgado) to San Diego for Adams or Bell AND Cameron Maybin. It would help us in both areas of need. Maybin is not as good a hitter as Beltran but he is great defensively – as us Braves fans saw last year and has great speed and a little punch from the Right side. Bell or Adams would keep O’Ventbrel fresher for Sept/OCT.
Thoughts?
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
4:08 pm
Too much to give up for a two month rental. If you’re going to give up that much add some more and see if you can swing a trade for Upton now or in the offseason. Justin, that is. He has a club-friendly contract. 6.75 mil in ‘12, 9.75 mil in ‘13, 14.25 in ‘14, 14.75 in ‘15. He will be 27 at the end of his contract and has stolen 14 bases this season and hasn’t shown the baggage to this point that his brother wears like a Mr. T Starter Kit. With Kenshin’s and Nate’s contract coming off this year 80-90% of Upton’s contract would be covered in the last two year’s of his contract anyway.
MFin04
July 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
“One player is not going to carry this offense deprived team.”
Beltran has done it in the playoffs before with Houston. In order to win in the playoffs you can’t just pitch well. The Braves pitching last year in the playoffs was lights out. The problem was they couldn’t win a game without going to extra innings because they couldn’t score.
Hoosier Aaron
July 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
Why would ANYONE want Mike Minor? I thought on draft day he was a bum!
According to this, the Braves were stupid for taking him.
Atlanta Braves — Mike Minor (SP) from Vanderbilt University; To be honest this was a tough pick to understand, and Minor must have something that the Braves see, because he didn’t have dominating stuff in college. With an ERA in the high 3’s this is far too high to choose him.
Our guys must know something….uh?
No vote on Beltran.
I’d take Carlos Quentin.
Fredi's Single Digit IQ
July 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
If we do get Beltran, what would the lineup look like? Any guesses? I’d go with this:
1 – Marteeeeeen, LF
2 – Beltran, CF
3 – BMac, C
4 – Old Man, 3B
5 – Fab5, 1B
6 – Heyward, RF
7 – Uggla, 2B
8 – Seabass, SS
Truth
July 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
and Schafer couldn’t hit water if he fell off a boat.
DaveinNEPA
July 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
MINOR FOR BELTRAN? NO…..NO……NO……AND HELL NO!!!!!
Not for a 2 month rental. The Met either have to ask for a lot less or have to sweeten the pot considerably.
onebravosfan
July 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
Let me just go on record and say I am totally against a trade for Beltran. Minor for Beltran is way too much for a rental. Also, I understand that if we do get Beltran, we can’t offer arbitration so we will miss out on any extra picks at the end of year. I hope FW wakes up and just says no.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm
“Interesting article about Franceour and coming home again.
http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2011/07/baseball-teams-blind-spots-and-burned.html”
On a cruise ship somewhere in the open ocean, Bobby Cox read that, hee-hawed loudly,and soiled his diaper
CrαZy
July 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm
It Chipper retires which he won’t…..I’d be fine with retaining Beltran to play LF and Schafer back to CF in 2012. But Chipper’s not going to retire soif we get Beltran he will be a 2011 Brave only.
ZekeOJr
July 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm
We need a young player with a passion for the game like Hunter Pence. I saw him in Houston against the Braves he is something else. We could really use him.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm
Steve- OK – take the cash out of the equation. You’re left with “Only” – 184 missed games since the start of the 09 season. Moved from center field due to chronic knee problems. Likely to go down to injury on a moments’ notice which might actually spell the end of his career. Is a Free Agent at season’s end with no chance of garnering draft picks in return. Hitting only .232 with a .291 (albeit great slg%) against LHP (which we need) , yet hits much better as a LH Hitter (which we don’t need).
Then all the stuff about Minor, too.
That better for you? Again, sheesh.
MikeInFl
July 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm
And we have to realize that. At that point all that stuff about gee in a perfect world you dont tarde to a division rival, gee in a perfect world you dont trade a starting pitcher – all that goes out the window -
Robert, in my original post, I said I get the “win-now” concept; and I also said I wouldn’t whine if this is the way the Braves go.
I don’t like this particular deal, on several levels, which I outlined. If it happens, fine… Go Braves. But doesn’t mean I have to agree with pulling the trigger on this, especially a week and half before the deadline. I hope we come up with something that’s a better fit.
Goyka
July 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm
Is it sad that the only thing I remember from the article is skyline chilli…man i miss that stuff.
MFin04
July 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
Braves vs Giants 2010
Gm1 L 1-0
Gm2 W 5-4 in 11
Gm3 L 3-2
Gm4 L 3-2
Need some offense and a clutch playoff performer.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
Lew–I’d do the trade. You’re overblowing the injury risk, IMO. If that’s your best argument against the trade, then it’s probably going to be an ok deal for us.
I have no complaints about him leaving at the end of the year–we’re not saddled with a long-term contract. And we wouldn’t offer arb anyway so it’s a moot point.
Minor to me is a 3/4 guy at best. Worth it.
jayvee
July 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
Carlos Beltran is having a studly year. Mike Minor could have a long and productive career. I’m thinking he could win 12 to 15 games with regularity, once he learns the hitters. That’s huge, admittedly. However, what if Beltran comes over to the Braves and plays even better than he has this season for the Mets? We can’t count on that happening. In the pantheon of Braves mid-season trades, it hasn’t happened often (McGriff being one big exception), but I figure we’re due. I think we do lose some D with Beltran and not Schaefer in CF, but the bottom line for me would be: Do it. You’ve got everything lined up to make a deep run in the playoffs. It’s no time to be overly conservative. Gotta get another good seven- or eighth- inning reliever, too. That’s a must. Go Braves!
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
My head hurts. Make a deal for Beltran or Pence. Don’t care, just do it and put them in CF. Who cares if Pence hasn’t played in 4 yrs or if Beltran was hurt last year. 2 months in Centerfield, that’s it for either. We have a good team and a playoff team. We can be a World Series team this season. Ever get tired of playing it close to the vest?
Does Elvis Andrus, Perez, and Matt Harrison get us to the World Series?
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
Cinnamon in the chili? That Skyline crap is nasty.
Nate
July 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm
I dont like this. Yes, Beltran could have another great second half like he did for the Astros but at what cost? I say we go after Pence that way we dont have to see our players all the time. Also, I think we should go after Mike Adams.
GEO123
July 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm
Don Green,
That’s a good one. Why don’t the Cardinals just throw in Albert and pay his salary to make it fair…
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm
“On a cruise ship somewhere in the open ocean, Bobby Cox read that, hee-hawed loudly,and soiled his diaper”
My bad. No, I’m not foolish enough to think Cox can read.
So it shouldve said, “On a cruise ship somewhere in the open ocean, Mrs Cox read that to Bobby, and he hee-hawed loudly and soiled his diaper
Arkansas Transplant
July 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm
I think if we’re going to give up as much as Minor than we’d better get something like BJ Upton in return, someone we’d control for a while and has the upside to improve. It’s crazy to give up Minor for a 2 month rental with the injury history that Beltran brings.
Herschel Talker
July 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm
Wren needs to pull this off.
coachx
July 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm
Bring back Matt Diaz.
That man can hit left handed pitching.
John Leonard
July 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm
MF04:That was then this is now.50 years ago I could run 100yds.in less then 10 now I can still run a 100 in less than 10.Hours that is.
originalatlbravefan
July 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm
I’d make a Minor for Beltran trade in a New York minute. If Chipper is healthy, lineup would be a beast with him in CF. if Chipper is not at full health, we can keep Schafer in CF and put him at LF. Worth the risk. And I still think we need a right-handed relief pitcher too b/c no guarantee Moylan will be effective.
coachx
July 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm
No more stupid Wainright deals for Drew or the entire farms system for Tex.
Jermaine Dye
July 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm
Hey, what about me?
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm
BAMA Dude – Well, thanks for thinking of me for that tutorial, but I already knew that.
Yes, prospects are capital and we have only one chance to use them as such. Minor is obviously favored as a trade piece for many teams (several if that sounds too much). So yep, let’s trade him for a two month rental hoping we can get another WS shot for Chipper (who’s healthy return would help us much more than Beltran ever will). If he really has the value he appears to, I;d much rather use him for a chance at someone who gives us TWO OR THREE shots at that WS and not a hobbled two month rental who reallly fills no need we have.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm
Sorry guess that is Feliz not Perez.
IlliniBrave
July 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm
I just don’t understand the short-term rental of players in baseball – no matter what short-term opportunities.
About the only thing I ever rent is a car. Renting a player is like going to Hertz or Avis, signing a contract that includes a rental fee based on time rented, and then putting down a credit card as a damage deposit – which I get back when I turn in the car. Thre problem is that we can’t turn the car back in and get our deposit back. If we do this deal, it’s almost like we are incurring the rental fee of Beltran’s salary, but losing the damage deposit of Minor. And if the car/Beltran breaks down, we can’t just take it back to the Mets and get a replacement. My bet is the car breaks down, we regret giving up the damage deposit, and we never rent from Hertz/Mets again.
PMC
July 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm
The Braves darn near beat the eventual World Series champ with a washed up 1st baseman and a converted pitcher in centerfield.
Yes, Beltran would make a huge difference if he continues the season he’s having.
coachx
July 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm
Matt Diaz can hit left handed pitching.
onebravosfan
July 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm
Minor for Beltran is a deal only Omar Minaya would like…
Brava
July 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm
Robert, you really should get some help for your CDS.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm
Anybody check Pence’s road split?
2011: .297/.331/.467/.798
career: .283/.329/.460/.789
His home OPS is 60bps higher for his career, 84 this year. Still not awful, but $10MM-12MM I’m not sure about.
Kevin
July 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm
This is a no brainer for me, I def pull the trigger on this one. Were trying to win a world series this year! There will be more Mike Minors come up through the system.
PMC
July 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm
Look at the pitching on this team for years to come. Minor won’t be the only casualty of the wealth of pitching and the scarcity of spots.
The Braves probably need 2 outfielders moving foward and a shortstop.
One-Eyed Mac
July 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm
I would not trade Minor for any rental player, including Beltran. A controlable player for next year and/or beyond would be ok.
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm
To me it comes down to whether management wants to make a wholehearted run at the WS THIS season.
Given our wealth of starting pitching I say do it. It’s tough to give up Minors but you’re getting a quality bat in return who can truly be a difference maker THIS season. You can’t get a guy like that without giving something pretty valuable.
IF management thinks we’ve got a shot at the WS THIS season, than do the deal. Outside of an injury in the rotation, Minors can’t do anything for you this year to get to the WS – Beltran can.
If they don’t, then don’t do it.
As for concerns about a potential rotation injury – even if there is one, we can always bring up Teheran to finish out the regular season if need be. Remember, in post-season we’ll probably go to a 4 man rotation and won’t need one of our SPs anyway.
ProfFish
July 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm
Missing from this discussion is an evaluation of Mike Minor and his pitches. He doesn’t have a plus fastball, a plus breaking ball, a plus slider, or a plus anything. He also hasn’t shown command at any level or the mental makeup necessary to be a solid starter, much less an important part of the rotation. If he were still 19, maybe you live with this, but he’s not.
Beltran is a short-term rental, sure. He also gives the Braves a much better shot at the World Series this year than Minor does. Arguments welcomed.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm
And BJ Upton – that stellar .234 hitter with a barely better than what we have OBP who had a decent season back in 07 and 08 (sounds a bit like Nate, right?). Yep, count on that nebulous change of scenery thing again. It always works so well and let’s go give the Rays lots more of our prospects hoping he works out.
Sheesh yet again..
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm
People can’t seem to face the fact that the Braves will not have a 10 man rotation in the future
Beachy, Minor, Teheran, Delgado, Viscaino, Hoover will not all end up on the Braves starting rotation. I bet about three or four of them will be traded or won’t be nearly as good as people are projecting them to be.
Minor for Beltran is a fair deal. If Minor turns out to be a star, more power to him. It’s the same with Jo Jo Reyes and Kyle Davies
No we understand this Mr. patronising. However, we dont understand trading these peieces for a 2 month injury riddled rental
bravesgrl4lifeeee
July 22nd, 2011
4:21 pm
I hate trading anybody within the division. It can come back to bite your azz hard.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:21 pm
Tex deal? That deal is only stupid now, not at the time it was made, Andrus was blocked by Escobar, Feliz was the centerpiece, Salty was blocked by McCann, and is now in Boston stinking the place up, and Matt Harrison… well sometimes you just miss on a prospect. Atlanta needed a 1b with power and thought the College town discount could persuade Tex as well as the Georgia ties from his wife, no one could forsee the GREED factor with Tex. The Braves got excatly what they paid for a productive clean up hitter for currency.basically traded blocked spects , Andrus, Salty, along with Feliz(who needs him now? See Venters/Kimbrel) and Harrison for two needs at the time that just didn’t pan out! stop lamenting the Tex deal, it was actually good for both teams.
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
4:21 pm
look at record before and after schafer’s call up, speaks for itself. Make beltran trade, plenty of playing time for heyward, schafer, beltran, and Marteen because Chipper is not a gaurantee.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:21 pm
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm
BAMA Dude – Well, thanks for thinking of me for that tutorial, but I already knew that.
Yes, prospects are capital and we have only one chance to use them as such. Minor is obviously favored as a trade piece for many teams (several if that sounds too much). So yep, let’s trade him for a two month rental hoping we can get another WS shot for Chipper (who’s healthy return would help us much more than Beltran ever will). If he really has the value he appears to, I;d much rather use him for a chance at someone who gives us TWO OR THREE shots at that WS and not a hobbled two month rental who reallly fills no need we have.
His OPS is over .900. Considering we have one (1) player at that level now, he is exactly what we need. Ever think that one of the benefits of getting him might be to allow Chipper to take his time with his knee and take a few days off here and there once he gets back? And you can’t seriously believe that Chipper at 38 improves the offense more than Beltran at 34.
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm
Beltran is a smoke screen. BJ Upton is our man.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
4:24 pm
At the end of the day. If Beltrans body cant hack playign centre then this deal is a no go.
John Leonard
July 22nd, 2011
4:24 pm
Pfish: One bat is not going to do it.We are going to sink or swim with our pitching.Now if we go after both Bourn and Pence,thats different,but very unlikely.
joedub
July 22nd, 2011
4:24 pm
no offense to the author, but your readership sucks. the comments on this blog are retarded. /peace out
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:24 pm
If you’re really going to go for a championship, why not go or a player who’s actually performed on a regular basis and who’s locked up for at least another year – even if it costs Delgado AND MInor or costs us a few more bucks next year?
The smart thing is to get Pence, Span or Marlon Byrd – any of which who ARE and have performed and would be with us for at least another one Championhip run up to another four.
Yes, the cost in prospects would be more and the cost in $$$ more, too 0 but it covers us going forward (and within the next year or so, lots of $$$$ come off the books) and gives a reasonable return on cost/benefit.
lilProfFish
July 22nd, 2011
4:24 pm
Proffish,
Ok so what if the braves don’t make the world series. Then they would have just traded away a good young pitching prospect for a 2 month rental player. You need to think about these things before you post.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:24 pm
Weezle, the only Upton I want raoming the atlanta outfield is Justin Upton and that aint happenin
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
4:25 pm
I would rather have Bourn even though he is left handed hitter, he is hitting .276 against lefties and .30l against righties, its his base stealing ability that I love. Give them Minor and Shafer.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:25 pm
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
4:24 pm
At the end of the day. If Beltrans body cant hack playign centre then this deal is a no go.
No? How about he plays left until Chipper comes back, then we see where everything shakes out. It wouldn’t suck to have too many good hitters.
blackbird
July 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm
We’re looking for a right hand bat and we’re going to give up WHAT for 2 months of a guy hitting .227 from the right side? This is Uggla-light, and will make the Tex deal look like genius!
kinshin kawakami
July 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm
@ Rupert: I am avaliable for trade. No good Japanese steak house in Jackson. Beltran kill braves in 05 playoffs.
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm
Wookie…It’s pre-arranged, we’re trading Jurrjens for Justin Upton this offseason. It’s an Upton/Upton/Heyward outfield for the Braves.
Brava
July 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm
no offense to the author, but your readership sucks. the comments on this blog are retarded. /peace out
Says the person who doesn’t know how to capitalize.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm
Mike Minor for Carlos Beltran, and Mets take on Beltran’s entire salary or almost. And braves acquire a decent reliever
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm
Calling Beltran a hobbled rental, well same can be said about Chipper, no guarantees with him, Moylan, Heyward, Prado…all have been on the DL, Chipper, Prado and Heyward a lot here lately.
CB
July 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm
WELL, MAD SEASON HAS BEGUN!
jayvee
July 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm
Another thought: I’ve been a big proponent of the Braves acquiring Chris Young, CF for the d-backs. With Stephen Drew out for the season, with that horrible injury, I think the dbacks just became sellers. They are not going to trade Justin Upton, but I think Young could be gotten, because the Dbacks are desperate for another starting pitcher, or two. Young has 17 HR, 52 RBI, 12 stolen bases, and an OPS of 800. He’s 27, and makes 1.7 mil LESS than what Pence makes.
Oh, and he’s an absolutely fabulous defender. Just sayin’….
rob
July 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm
I would be ok with the move but i would prefer to trade Minor and another very good prospect(not Julio,Vizcaino or Delgado) to San Diego for Adams or Bell AND Cameron Maybin. It would help us in both areas of need. Maybin is not as good a hitter as Beltran but he is great defensively – as us Braves fans saw last year and has great speed and a little punch from the Right side. Bell or Adams would keep O’Ventbrel fresher for Sept/OCT.
I mostly want Pence though, I would completely be happy with FW if he got Pence.
Thoughts?
DAP
July 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm
ProfFish He doesn’t have a plus fastball, a plus breaking ball, a plus slider, or a plus anything.
plus changeup? i thought he had one of those. his command is supposed to be very good to, and he K’s a slew of batters. lets not go overboard on minor. a mid-rotation MLB stater is a good player. if thats what minor is, and he is just beginning his career, he will be a pretty good player for awhile.
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:28 pm
Ralph – why throw in Schafer? All they are likely to want is Minors. From what I read they may even throw in some cash for the rest of the season.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:28 pm
Lew, I refer you to my 4:18 regarding Pence. He’s a sub .800 OPS guy away from his bandbox and will get in excess of $10MM next year. You want to trade Minor plus a superior prospect for him?
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:28 pm
I say upgrade SS which is the most glaring hole, and leave the OF alone.
DAP
July 22nd, 2011
4:28 pm
jayee I’ve been a big proponent of the Braves acquiring Chris Young, CF for the d-backs.
i really like young, if they’re selling.
ppaddy123
July 22nd, 2011
4:29 pm
Personally, I think the Braves should be looking for a right handed hitting 3B! Does anyone really believe Chipper will come back 100%? He might be the face of the team but he’s been a liability for the last 5 years. We can’t expect him to remain healthy enough to be a force in the middle of our line-up. Prado does fine in LF right now.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
Sign me up, Tomas.
DAP
July 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
wookie ninja I say upgrade SS which is the most glaring hole, and leave the OF alone.
im with you, but what player could we get? i dont really think there is a clear upgrade available.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
Hey Guys!
Long time away from the blog for this guy, but I thought I’d weigh in on this trade deadline thing….
Ok, so we look at it this way….we have Minor, Teheran, and Delgado who have all made starts at the big league level this year….thing is, IF Minor were the stud some think he is, he would’ve been up here for the season and not the guy who wasnt drafted by any single one of the 30 teams…
When you look at it, we have Hudson, Hanson, and Jurrjens seemingly as locks for the rotation in 2012….so that leaves 2 slots…
Even IF we figure out how to trade Lowe and get him off the books, you still have Beachy, Medlen coming back from injury to consider, and then the 3 I mentioned right there and ready…AND you have Vizcaino who is getting closer as well….
The only other certainty there is on this team is that the few good position players will be back and that Nate McLouth’s option is as dead as Jimmy Hoffa…
There is absolutely ZERO certainty that Chipper comes back and comes back able to hit…recall, he was hitting .250 w/ little power when he went on the shelf…so the team really can’t and shouldn’t be relying on him!
The team desperately needs a bat, AND why not Beltran? The guy is very clutch and is having an outstanding season….so who cares if we give up a guy that no one truly knows if he’d be in the plans for next year….if you do the math, someone has to be the odd person out, and its at least a 50/50 chance that Minor would be out….
The real question isn’t about losing Minor or gaining Beltran, its whether there is belief that the team is just that 1 piece away from catapulting themselves into and winning the World Series…
IF the Braves make the play and come through w/ Beltran, it may cause the Phillies to try and up the effort for Pence….which actually helps the Braves as that would lead the Phils to go for broke trying to up the Braves…
Do the Braves need to make the charge and get the bat needed? YES
Are there more than 2-3 guys out there that would make a big difference? NO
I say get it done!
Whew…sorry guys….felt like I was channeling N8 there
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
Bama Dude – Believe it? Hell yes I do. The team always plays better when Chipper plays – and what do you do if Beltran gets hurt yet again? He sure has the past few years – 184 missed games – ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY FOUR Missed games since the beginning of 09.
Yes, he hits for power against LHP – WHEN he actually makes contact which, with a .291 OBP against LHP isn’t all that often (think Nate, here, or Schafer).
And I want Chipper AND someone reliable in there. When Chipper comes back, where do you play Beltran? Sure as hell not center – even the Mets realized that would end his season abruptly.
onebravosfan
July 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
Because I believe FW is pretty sharp, I wonder what teams the other 5 scouts represented. Hopefully, they represent teams that aren’t offering rentals…
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
Lowe for Drew Stubbs anyone?
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
4:31 pm
Lew, I’d do it too, the Mets are paying the balance of the salary and the part about injuries and one step away from retirement is nothing but hyperbole.
originalatlbravefan
July 22nd, 2011
4:31 pm
Can’t understand people’s hesitation with pulling a Minor for Beltran trade? Minor is a fine prospect but he’s no Adam Wainwright. Beltran leads league in doubles. His in top 10 in OPS & RBI’s. But the bigger reason for me is his OPS in post-season is 1.302 which is higher than Babe Ruth’s. Doesn’t mean he will be clutch but more likely than not. Think of guys who have risen to occasion in post season in past who did it year and year out – i.e Reggie Jackson,. These guys walk to the plate believing they are gonna coem through because they have before.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:31 pm
Lew,
You mentioned why not trade for Pence, Span, or Byrd. While I do think that Pence would provide more value for the Braves, I don’t think he’d provide more value in 2011, and the difference in the value he would provide over the next 2 years is equal to a whole lot less than Randall Delgado, which is likely what would have to be added to whatever the Mets require for Beltran. As for Span and Byrd, I don’t think that either is as much of an upgrade as Beltran is, and both carry a fair amount of risk with them in future years. While a rental player isn’t ideal, at least the team is aware of the cost of that rental, so if he regresses in future years they are not on the hook for anything but the next 2 months.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
4:31 pm
Lew–fine, you want a long-term answer in CF? Call St. Louis and write a blank check for Rasmus. He’s your man.
I am absolutely against Pence.
ppaddy123
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
Oh, and one other thing……speaking in terms of health issues, is it just me, or has Heyward’s health issues starting to concern anyone else? The kid’s 21 but plays like he’s Chipper’s age.
Heisenberg
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
I like Chris Young too. But not for any top tier pitching prospects. I also have always been intrigued by Dextor Fowler. Wonder if Rockies make him available?
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
How dare you! You know that numbers don’t tell the story. For instance, Schafer is better than McLouth because my perception says so. It doesn’t matter what the numbers say these players have actually done. All that matters is my perception of what they’ve done. How dare you use objective data instead of your own perceptions!
Shaun Aka Tim Kurkjian, aka “The Professor”- The astute baseball folk here factor not only statistics but what the particular player brings to the field with intangibles- attitude, defensive abilities, abilities to hit in the clutch(yes clutch situations Professor). Don’t have to pour over Stat sheets for days to see a guy like Beltran help teams win.
Go back to pouring over your data Professor.
In the clutch is exactly what he was saying. Its gut feeling. Which is irrelevent. Anyway check Nates stats with risp vs schafer. Nate is clutch
Mike
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
on another note, thank god they called up martinez.
rob
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
Pence is 0-4 today – get him while his stock is down!
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
Lew, what if Beltran plays LF, they leave Schafer in CF, Heyward in RF, and move Prado over to SS?
Prado is a damn good athlete, and could probably play a decent ss
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
Schafer and Minor for Bourn. Bethancourt for Gomes.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
And yes, I;d give up that package for this year and two more of Pence well before I’d give up MInor for a hobbled, chronically injured player who can’t play the position we need him to play and will only have for two months.
Ronald Millsaps
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
Watch your comments.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm
There is nothing wrong with a rental, as long as the price you pay is appropriate for a rental. I’d rather pay market value for a 2-month rental than overpay for a 1-year and 2-month player.
Ronald Millsaps
July 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm
“beezle”*, that is
Josh
July 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm
DOB, if you we’re Wren would you make the deal Minor for Beltran?
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm
Wookie – I love Martin’s extreme versatility, but Gonzalez makes Uggla and Chipper much better and Martin has played SS two games – one in the minors and one at the MLB level.
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm
Beltran? Minor? Yawn.
Hard to believe you guys are this wired up about either.
idea!
July 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
this would work perfectly if prado could play shortstop..hint hint
i know thatd be asking the world of him, but hey..he took the LF move with grace, and he wants to be an infielder..but as we all know at some point hell be back at third. do it
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
Its just too bad Prado cant really play SS halfway decent….
Because then even if Chipper came back, you could keep Beltran in LF (if obtained) and move Prado to SS….
I agree w/ many….Alex is absolutely killing us at the plate…
But then again, we now have 4 of the 8 regulars hitting I believe under .230 w/ Schafer just above that…just atrocious w/ the batting averages…
Travis
July 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
The Braves have been pretty consistant when it comes to trading away pitchers that weren’t as good as what they had in the pipeline or could trade for. Wainwright is the big exception along with to an extent Neftali Perez, Marquis and maybe someday Charlie Morton. Gotta believe that if this deal does happen, the Braves think Minor won’t make this rotation going forward. Maybe nothing lost here. Still hate the thought of Beltran going to the Phillies so maybe that calms the acid reflux a bit. Maybe Pence or Rasmus is the right guy to go after. Just think the Astros don’t really want to alienate the fan base letting him go.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
“The smart thing is to get Pence, Span or Marlon Byrd ”
Pence yes
Byrd is a VERY average player. Same with Span
I have nothing against trading Delgado – but not for mediocrities like Span and Byrd
AZBravoFan
July 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
Tough call. One good thing about Beltran being in the division is that he’s seen a lot of the Phils staff. That could be huge in those last 2 series. My only concerns would be the injury history and the lasting image of him taking strike 3 in the biggest at bat of his life.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
hobbled, chronically injured player who can’t play the position we need him to play and will only have for two months.
So you complain that he can’t stay healthy, and then complain that we don’t have him for long enough? I think the fact that we are only going to have him for two months is a PLUS, because he’s been unreliable in the past due to injuries. Less time = less risk.
That comment reminded me of the joke about the old lady complaining about the new resturant: “This food is terrible! And such small portions!”
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
To heighten the missed game argument as it pertains to Beltran, our very own Chipper Jones has missed 238 games in the same period.
semiballcoach
July 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
one thing to keep in mind….once beltran is gone, they’ll be the same non-lefty hitting group they are now…and they’d still have to face minor, hamels, lee, et al
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
P-town – good point on Minor “not” grabbing the 5th spot when he had the chance.
I agree with all you’ve said, just in fewer words!
I’d like to see them pull the trigger on this sooner than later – if the Wilpons are ready we should do it.
Best of luck to Minors, he’s been fun to watch and I hope he proves all us would-be GM’s wrong!
David O'Brien
July 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
JoeBrave: I understand your reluctance to trade Minor for a three-month rental, but it’s going to take at least that much to get Beltran because of how many other teams want him. No way Mets trade him for less than Minor. And because Braves have such an unusual stockpile of pitching prospects, including at least two rated well ahead of Minor (Delgado might be, too), then they might decide it’s worth it to get an impact bat like Beltran.
They’d not trade a potential top-of-rotation pitcher like Teheran, Vizcaino or — I don’t think — Delgado for a short-fix rental player, but they might do Minor, or at least think long and hard about it.
And signing Delgado long-term is almost certainly going to be too pricey and risky, given his injury history. Braves would only be getting him for this year, thinking he could be the missing piece to put them over the top.
Bourn>Schafer
July 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
Schafer is NOT the future. I think the Braves know that, but they’re acting like they’re high on him to raise his stock some. Idk how much just saying they like a player would raise said player’s stock, seeing as how there are talent evaluators for that, but you never know. I bet the Braves get Gomes and Bourn.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:36 pm
Beltran’s OBP vs. lefties is over .360 for his career. He finished at or above his career average in that category in 2008, 2009, and 2010. Yes, let’s look at 100PA vs. lefties this season to determine his worth. That’s logical.
chatt matt
July 22nd, 2011
4:36 pm
I would not trade minor for Beltran maybe for the guy from the White Sox who has 19 homers and kills lefthand pitching.
Travis
July 22nd, 2011
4:36 pm
Looks like “The Professor” for Shaun stuck.
STH
July 22nd, 2011
4:36 pm
Lets see Heyward, Mcclouth, Prado, Schafer, Hiensky, Beltran, maybe its about to become softball with four outfielders. Go get piching (relief) unless its a long term situation like an Upton or Maybe Bourne if we can afford him. Minor made it to the bigs pretty darn quick to suck, and he is the only lefty starter on the horizon , mmmmmmmand lets not forget you cannot even wash that nasty butt met smell off of Bellytran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:36 pm
Note:
Something people dont realize is that more than a handful of Beltran’s doubles at Citi Field would even be homers at the spacious Turner Field.
blackbird
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
So we’ve got holes at 3b, ss, cf and middle relief. This ought to be good.
K. Conley
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
Make the Deal Now!!! Beltran becoming a Philly or Giant stings us in a big way. He’s proven to be a clutch postseason player, and he puts this team on another level. He’s going somewhere, that’s for sure, let’s get him in the ATL.!!!
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
I wouldn’t mind faceing Minor 2 times a year for years to come so long as I had Bourn leading off everyday for years to come.
richbrave
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
BEACHY and McLOUTH for BELTRAN
whodatatl
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
I’d take the deal. Minor is not proven, and Beltran has got what we need. He’s only had 2 years where he’s played under 100 games and in 2009, he played 81 and was hitting .325. I’d take that over McClouth’s average and 160 games any day.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
Schafer is NOT the future. I think the Braves know that, but they’re acting like they’re high on him to raise his stock some.
I totally disagree. Not with the first sentence, but with the idea that the Braves know that. They think he’s developing into a lineup fixture for years to come.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
” a chance at someone who gives us TWO OR THREE shots at that WS and not a hobbled two month rental who reallly fills no need we have”
I absolutely agree – but you have to realize that a shot like that is going to cost you much more than someone who projects as a possible back of the rotation starter
To get that shot, you have to get over your fear that you might be trading another Wainwright
And make no mistake about it – I’d trade Wainwright for a WS title – over and over and over again
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
Ah looky here. Fredi said he doesn’t expect any offense out of the SS position, yet he continues to bat him up in the order. He’s been nothing but a rally killer. I guess Fredi FEELS like he’s been getting his hits. Remember, Fredi doesn’t actually know what his players are doing, he just closes his eyes and guesses. Helluva tactic.
Patrick
July 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
Jay Bruce is out of Reds lineup today.
That’s 1 big bat we won’t have to worry about
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
semiballcoach – exactly why I say do the deal IF we are making a run at the WS this year. If we don’t think we can do it this year, than don’t do it.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
RC – NO, I’m not certain that he can stay healthy for two months – I don;t want him at all. The issue I have with time is the price he’d cost for a two month rental – NOT that we won’t have him longer. I think Minor is worth more to teams than just a two month rental of a chronically injured player. One hundred eighty four missed games in the past 2.5 years.
And y;all gripe about how much Chipper misses.
iowa brave.
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
at least we are not talking about trading jj.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
now my head hurts!
David O'Brien
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
Josh, I’d have to think very seriously about doing Minor for Beltran. But I certainly wouldn’t trade Beachy, Teheran, Vizcaino or Delgado for him or for any short-term fix.
Richie
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
I agree with you as well, Lew.
wheelz007
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
If I had a vote, I’d say pull the trigger on the trade. Minor for Beltran. Even if it took an additional low-level prospect, I’d still do it.
It does 2 things:
#1 Makes our line-up a lot stronger, which improves our chances at the World Series.
#2 If we get him he’s not playing against us in a Phillies uniform down the stretch and/or in the playoffs.
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
If we give up Minor for two months of Beltran, its like Forrest Gump says,stupid is as stupid does. This is stupid, if we cant control someone for more than this year the hell with them. I would rather go to the dance with what I got. One of the reasons I am so exited about the Braves is the young pitching. Why do you think the Mets are willing to pay his salary for the rest of the year. The Rangers would not be where they are at if it was not for the Braves. I smell the same thing going on. Does getting Beltran put us in the WS, hell no. I would rather get Gomes and do the best we can, hope we get hot at the right time. The safest thing to do is keep Minor.
CrαZy
July 22nd, 2011
4:40 pm
move Prado over to SS?
I’m sorry but this made me laugh!!! MLB the Show Trainee right there!!
David O'Brien
July 22nd, 2011
4:40 pm
And it goes without saying that I wouldn’t trade Jurrjens or Hanson in the middle of a pennant race (just in case someone read my previous comment and wondered why I didn’t mentioned them).
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
Chatt Matt -
Quentin is not available…I think I heard the Braves already asked…
I’d do Minor, Clemens, and Mejia for Beltran….
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
DOBster, what do you think about Denard Span? Is he available?
Bobby Hill
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
Its hard to know if the recent praise of Schafer by Braves coaches is a smokescreen or real. I don’t see him as anything more than fourth outfielder / pinch runner. If you assume he’s not a long term answer in CF the the team will have two position to fill this winter, SS and CF. If the team wishes to upgrade offensively, it will have to be at one of those two positions. Minor is the team’s primary trade chip to fill one of those holes. If the team trades him not for a rental, what happens this winter?
Jim
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
When are Braves going to ban headfirst sliding or no play no pay?
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:42 pm
Lew, if we want to make a run at the WS this year than I think Beltran can help you get there. If you’re looking for a longer-term acquisition than don’t do it. But, if it’s management truly believes we have a legitimate shot at the series this year than Beltran is worth the gamble.
No one knows if he’s stay healthy. No one knows if Prado or Minors or anyone else will either. It’s a crap shoot. And, in my opinion, one worth taking.
STH
July 22nd, 2011
4:42 pm
I guess I could do the best thing and let Frank do his job without my opion, cause he has done very well for this team and we could go all the way now, muchless with some tweeking. I would love to see another horse in the pen! Sorry Belly tran but I hate any met. It is still hard to not hate Glavine to me, but I have to accept Glavine with his history here, not Belly boy.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:42 pm
Robert – I’m well aware that a Denard Span or Hunter Pence would cost more – quite possibly Minor AND Delgado and yes, I’d be willing to go for a deal that included those two IF we got a proven performer (which both of them are) under control for two or more years.
I’d even settle for some kind of deal with the Cubs for Marlon Byrd – a proven hitter with good BA, good OBP, some pop and decent to good defensive skills and he’s signed next year for what Nate is now.
Josh
July 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
Thanks Dob.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
1.Prado
2.Beltran
3.Chipper
4.Mac
5.Uggla
6.Freeman
7.Heyward
8.Gonzo
1.Bourn
2.Prado
3.Chipper
4.Mac
5.Uggla
6.Freeman
7.Heyward
8.Gonzo
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
Is that REALLY DOB or Carroll making comments???
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm
jch – Yes, he could help us get there IF he stays healthy and his track record is anything BUT indicative of that.
As for helping – so could Pence. So could Span. So could Byrd – at considerably less risk.
extremus
July 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm
It’s a no-brainer that it is ABSOLUTELY NOT WORTH giving up Mike Minor or any other prospect for a two-month mercenary rental. NO WAY, NO HOW.
Not only would that be stupid from a standpoint considering the time and effort the Braves have spent developing Minor and other young players; sending him to the Mets could likely make him a thorn in the BRAVES’ side for years to come. And for what, to (MAYBE, if EVERYTHING goes as hoped) get to the playoffs and World Series for this year just to have Beltran bolt for the “big money” at the end of the season, win or lose? No, Frank Wren…just…NO!!!! Either you get something significant for the long-term in return or you should stand pat. EXCLAMATION POINT!!!!
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:45 pm
Lew,
I never said it’s certain that Beltran stays healthy for the next two months. I said it’s much more likely that he does for two months than for two years, so your risk is somewhat mitigated by the remaining length of his contract.
As for whether or not Minor is too high a price, I certainly can see your point that he is. I personally am not that sold on him, and I worry that his trade value may never be higher than it is now. I also think that if the Braves could get more for him, they certainly would. But the fact is that Beltran is among the top 3 hitters currently on the trade market, and he’s the only one on the trade market for this low of a price. While I’d love Hunter Pence, I don’t think the upgrade between him and Beltran is worth giving up Randall Delgado, which is probably the additional cost between the two. When combined with the fact that acquiring Beltran would block Philly and San Fran from filling their biggest need, I think it’s a solid move to make.
Although I’d be much happier if it turns out that all this trade talk between the teams has really been about Reyes instead of Beltran (I know, not gonna happen….)
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:45 pm
Lew – and at a considerably higher cost….
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:46 pm
And they are all much better CF options than Beltran. The Mets rarely make the right decisions and even they realized he couldn’t stay healthy and play CF at the same time.
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
If that’s what it truly boils down to: Minor for Beltran, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Minor is (at least mostly)superfluous to the Braves’ future plans. It could sting a little this year possibly if the Braves need a spot start, but I think it is worth that risk.
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
If that’s what it truly boils down to: Minor for Beltran, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Minor is (at least mostly)superfluous to the Braves’ future plans. It could sting a little this year possibly if the Braves need a spot start, but I think it is worth that risk
don
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
These same idiots who filled their pants in anticipation of Drew and Teixeira are the same ones swooning over Beltran. Don’t they ever learn? The Braves, at best, finish second to Philadelphia and win the wild card with or without Beltran. Someone said that, with Beltran, the Braves have the best lineup in baseball. Who believes that? Surely, you people are smart enough to know better than that.
If Wren makes this trade, I will have to quit referring to him as an idiot. His level of intelligence won’t even approach idiot level.
Don’t you people ever learn? Rentals add nothing- at least nothing for the Braves.
Bawlmer Brave
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
It’s not just the “in a vacuum” concept of Minor for Beltran. It’s also the fact that THIS year Beltran wouldn’t be playing for the Phillies or Giants in the playoffs either. We’ve got great pitching, and more arms in the cupboards. I think he gives us the edge for THIS year’s WS, which is sufficient for me for a player of Minor’s caliber. With the Mets picking up his salary, it takes away the financial impact for this year. Yes, it sucks to NOT get any draft pick comp for him at the end of the year, but deals have to have incentive for both parties.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
Other than Bobby Parnell, and Jason Isringhausen who I would think are not available, I don’t really like anybody else from they’re bullpen for ATL.
If the Mets cover most of Beltran’s salary then ATL could deal for a solid reliever like Michael Wuertz.
Nick
July 22nd, 2011
4:48 pm
Do the deal. Minor will never be an effective MLB pitcher.
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
4:48 pm
Beltran would platoon some w/Heyward depending on Heywards hitting. This would also provide rest for Beltran(less chance of injury) and I think you have to consider his entire stats because he would have plenty of PA against righties also.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
One other point about Beltran. He doesn’t HAVE to play everyday for the rest of the season. The Braves have a large enough lead, and enough options in the OF, that they can afford to rest him on a regular basis for the remainder of the regular season. In the postseason the off days are MUCH more frequent than they are in the regular season, at that point he can be relied upon every day and put the Braves in a great position to make a strong run in the playoffs.
rico43
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
The even divide between trade him and you’re crazy tells me that this is a valid possibility. There are pros and cons, but one thing you don’t want is Beltran trying up a lot of money beyond this year. I was talking in terms of doing the deal, but if it’s true that Beltran has a clause in his cotract that he could not be offered arbitration (and thus get two draft picks as a Type A), then I say he’s not worth it.
But, boy, is it a close call.
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
So we shuffle Gearrin and Martinez back and forth from minors to majors, yet somehow Proctor keeps on whistling past the graveyard. Unreal. Gearrin at least gets out righties.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
Problem is guys, this team as currently constructed is not going to get us any further even if we get to the playoffs…
Add Beltran to that lineup and it makes us 10x more dangerous because it removes a hole while making it much more difficult for an opposing pitcher to navigate the lineup…
Everyone does realize Carlos would instantly have the 2nd highest batting average, 2nd most RBI on the team and 3rd most HR right?
We need to strengthen the lineup or we’re not going anywhere….cant ride the pitching for as long as we’ve had w/o some serious letdowns.
historyman
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
No rentals for a solid young starter.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
“To me it comes down to whether management wants to make a wholehearted run at the WS THIS season.”
Well said.
So – is there some reason to think that the Braves cant make such a run?
They have the fourth best record in the big leagues. More than that, in the NL, there’s noone but us and Philly. I’m sorry, I just dont think San Fran or Milwaukee are that good.
The team I’d be most afraid of would actually be Pittsburgh – a team that has no business being there and nothing to lose would be mighty loose – but I just dont see them being able to hang around all the way to the end
And as someone said, we came really close to beating the World Champions last season despite some roster issues (and an idiot manager)
This team has a more legitimate shot at winning it all than any Braves team since 1969
historyman
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Now, if they want to through in a top prospect as well, then that’s another story.
Patrick
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
DOB, I’d have to say that: Medlen, Teheran, Vizciano and Delgado are all as good or better options that Minor. Besides him being left-handed and also the fact that they’ll be trading in the division. I wouldn’t think twice about this move
Also! Which relievers do you see the Braves going after?
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Referencing an earlier comment: there is no way Minor is a top 26 – 50 pitcher.
HuffBraves
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
To all those (wishfully) thinking the Mets will take McLouth: ain’t gonna happen. They clearly are not playing for this year, and no way they or anyone would pick up his option for ‘12.
A much more likely second piece (in addition to Minor), in my opinion: Brandon Hicks.
Mets VERY short on second basemen, and SS if Reyes leaves. Hicks major-league ready with decent upside.
FairBrave
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
One thing we must think about, who will be the 4th outfielder. I think it would be Schafer but does Mclouth and Ramirez have any options left or do we just release them. I have started liking Ramirez.
I don’t think you will see Beltran play any one position. He would lay RF when lefty pitches, play LF when Chipper needs day off and play CF once or twice a week.
The Jurenovich Report
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Why in the hell is Alex Gonzalez batting 6th again? I cannot wait until we get our regulars back so we can finally shove him back in the 8 hole.
Bawlmer Brave
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Good points about rest, RC.
PMC
July 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
Is it wrong to see this “rental” as a plus?
I don’t want 7 years of Beltran for that much money, but a 2 month rental for a pitching prospect of which we have plenty?
Sign me up.
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
July 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
Trade Minor for Heath Bell and Mike Adams
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
One hundred and eighty four missed games the past 2.5 years. You have to pray he stays healthy.
Y;all are really grasping at straws.
Keep the Phillies from acquiring him? Do you see them inking a deal for Carlos? If they really wanted him, y;all seriously believe that they wouldn’t have already signed him?
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
Patrick: and Hoover and Oberholtzer are likely to be close to as good as Minor at the very least.
Train Wreck Bystander
July 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
The article makes it clear to me that there are too many cons with Beltran for Minor:
(1) We get Beltran for 2 months and change. What happens if he catches whatever Uggla had in the spring?
(2) We lose Minor to a rival and would not only be without his services, but would be facing him for years to come.
I just can’t get behind this sort of trade. Maybe I could get behind it if we had a chance of having Beltran next year.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
This team has a more legitimate shot at winning it all than any Braves team since 1969 – Robert
I totally agree with the rest of your post, but this sentence seems a bit out of place. The Braves had a VERY legit shot during most of the 90s, especially the early-mid 90s.
brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
Beltran for Minor seems about right – it will hurt but will give us a bat we sorely need. If the Braves are indeed considering trading Minor, I would bet Wren is doing his due diligence and seeing what other teams might give him for Minor before sending him to NY
don
July 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
Tell me, glove51, did you also surmise that Feliz, Harrison, Andrus, Wainwright, Marquis, and Morton were “superfluous” to the future plans of the Braves. If that was the case, can we conclude that they were just a bit mistaken. As they say, “stupid is as stupid does”. Braves management and those who support these trades are stupid. The evidence is overwhelming, don’t you think?
the truth...
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
If they believe Minor will grow to be a stud, then there is NO WAY they should RENT Beltran…..
PERIOD, PERIOD….
We don’t need a RENTAL…..not for our young arms….
Remember Adam Wainwright? Now look at Morton in Pittsburgh….he brought us McLouth…how’s that working out for us now????
Come on Wren…. you know better than that…
I hope the Mets are just using us to drive up the price of Beltran….
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Excuse me – traded for him. The point remains the same.
Y’all are just acting desperately for ANYONE you view as being even a tiny amount better than what we have.
brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
if the Braves take on salary maybe they get a prospect in addition to Beltran but if I were the Braves I would rather the Mets eat a lot of salary
coachx
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Most Braves fans are OK trading Minor.
Where most Braves fans are not OK is trading him for a guy with only 1 year left on his contract like Beltran. I’m OK trading our former 1st round pick but I expect a player who we will be a Brave for longer then 3 short months.
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Don’t think that by getting Beltran it will keep the Phillies from filling their needs, they will get someone, money talks.
a fan
July 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
those who ignore the lesson of history are doomed to/ repeat the same mistakes. (No more rentals for blue chip prospects) It took us two years to get over the Texas deal.Feliz, Harrison, Andrus, Salty.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
Brilliant post, don. You’re right- Teixeira added nothing to the Braves while he was here. It wasn’t that four starting pitchers all went down in the same season. Nope, it was Teixeira’s fault.
Beltran is the only real difference making bat on the market. It’s not like this year is an anomaly either- his last five years he’s at .283/.375/.521/.896. The man is an on-base machine with loads of power. Anybody who thinks he doesn’t improve this offense immediately is crazy. Put Prado or Heyward in CF when Chipper returns- guarantee you that the uptick in offensive production from Beltran vs. McSchafer would easily overcome the dropoff defensively.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
Unless Chipper stays healthy and turns back the clock( I do think he plays a big part of us getting to the playoffs, but he won’t be 1999 Chipper) does everyone feel good beating the Giants and Phillies with a pickup like Gomes? I am sick of seeing teams clinch on our home field. Nice to be in the playoffs but can we maybe look at the big picture and think World Series? We give up Minor and lose Beltran in the winter, this team has needs but on paper a playoff team again next season. I saw Heyward being absolutely overwhelmed by the Giants staff last season. Freeman has been awesome in this season but good pitching can make him look like the rookie he is. It is very possible he struggles in the postseason along with Heyward and Schafer. If lucky to get to the NLCS we probably play Philly. Halladay and Lee absolutely shut us down the series before the break. Playing 4 games in Philly will give them the edge. We need a stopgap right now, this season. Beltran gives you the edge. Again, somehow financially possible I would take Pence in a heartbeat as well. Get one of these guys and target a World Series. Freeman, Heyward, McCann, Prado, Hanson, Jurrjens, Teheran, Vizcaino, Venters and Kimbrel insure a pretty good future after Beltran and Minor leave,
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
Keep the Phillies from acquiring him? Do you see them inking a deal for Carlos? If they really wanted him, y;all seriously believe that they wouldn’t have already signed him? – Lew
I don’t understand this statement. Are you saying the Phillies would have signed him as a FA 6 years ago? Or are you saying they would have already traded for him? (Not trying to be a jerk…seriously just trying to understand)
Chop Chop
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Can’t leave all those arms without a home. At some point, you’ve got to move some of these kids. You’ve got to cash in these chips. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of those kids leave next season at the deadline. Why? That’s what an organization who apparently has a damn good clue about producing young starting pitching should do. You keep the guys you like the most and move the rest before their value diminishes.
frank wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Hunter Pence is the answer. He can play any outfield postion and is having a terffic season and he isnt a rental. Trade Minor, Betancourt and one of our many shortstop prospects for him and we make it to the world series. He can play any outfield postion. Giving Heyward a break some days and he can even take some of the load off Chipper cause he can play left and we can move prado in to play 3B. He has even play CF in his time with the Astors
originalatlbravefan
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Pence, Span and Byrd could be less of a risk health-wise than Beltran, But they are a bigger risk for the playoffs because we don’t what they will under the heat of playoff pressure. We know what Carlos can do! trading a minor league starting pitcher when you are stacked at SP both in majors and minors is worth a shot at World Championship. That’s what you play for. That’s why we keep drafting SP because they are huge assets in trades. Long shot to win one with our line-up as is. DO IT! If after trading him we don’t win it and he walks… so what. We are still stacked at starting pitching for years to come.
Bill Stanfill
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Batting averages of current outfield:
Schafer .236
Heyward .229
McLouth .225
Batting average against left-handed pitching:
Schafer .190
Heyward .173
McLouth .163
Of course, the Braves need to trade for a RH outfielder. Heyward seems to be getting his timing back, and there’s no doubt that injuries have hampered his performance. Schafer brings a lot to the table. Nate is at best a 4th or 5th outfielder who seems to be just what he is–a .225 hitter and a solid defensive outfielder.
And when Chipper returns, Prado returns to LF and the Braves essentially add a RH bat. But Chipper’s return is, as it has been for years, full of uncertaintly.
The Mets, if they’re actually asking for Minor, are asking a lot. I believe someone like Gomes with his strong performance again lefties would be adequate–and much cheaper.
I say hold off on this Beltran-Minor proposition. Maybe the Mets’ asking price will go down. I suspect it will. And there are cheaper, satisfactory alternative. And remember, the Braves also need a relief pitcher.
the truth...
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Minor in the NL East will come back to haunt us long after the sore kneed Beltran is gone…since we won’t have money for him anyway…
Please
NO DEAL…..
this will be the best deal you DON’T MAKE !!!
ppaddy123
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
I sill say the Braves need a 3B and not an OF. Emilio Bonifacio and Chase Headley are both on poor teams and wouldn’t cost us what Beltran would. Thay have also both played in 89 & 92 games respectively.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
And who says if we got Beltran he’d play CF anyways?
Granted Schafer is injured now, but JHey has been a stiff most of the year and Chipper has been hurt and Uggla is now hurt…
Let Prado do what he does best…play everyday but in different spots.
Ex. There’s generally 5 games a week.
Prado plays 2 games at 3b, 2 games in LF, 1 game at 2b…and he could even spell FF at 1b if necessary…
This could keep Schafer in the lineup and you could play Beltran in LF and RF and keep him rested as well…besides, Heyward so far this year has shown he needs days off against LHP anyways.
B-rad Bravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
If the Braves are going for it all this year they have to have an impact bat. What we don’t need is another .220 hitter (like BJ, Ludwick, Gomes). Beltran is raking this year and Heyward isn’t. Don’t get hung up on Heyward’s hometown hero appeal. So far he’s nothing special, though I think he’ll be there soon. A good example for him to follow would be a great veteran like Beltran. Let Heyward spell the veteran when he’s tired. A little bench duty might do him some good.
Patrick
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
The Jurenovich Report: You should really ease up on Gonzalez, he’s……AHH, who the hell am I kidding. He should be batting 9th!
JT Grace
July 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
The ONLY way that I would trade Minor for Beltran is if the Mets also included Bobby Parnell as the RH reliever that the Braves desperately need. At least they would not be trading Mike for a rental player only. Parnell has at least 2 – 3 more years of team control left.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
coachx – Exactly!!!!!! Trade Minor – go for it – but let’s get something more in return. There were six teams watching him last night and he’s the name most mentioned by other teams. No way in hell Beltran’s all you can get for him.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Screw it. Pull the trigger on Beltran. He really is a great hitter and were one big hitter away from an elite offense, I think. Switch hitter, FA year, currently hitting well, and maybe add some excitement from fans and players knowing the front office is going all in believing this team has what it takes (as if they didn’t already know). It would be a good move and while Minor is good, I don’t think he’ll be a Wainwright.
1.Prado
2.Beltran
3.Chipper
4.Mac
5.Uggla
6.Freeman
7.Heyward
8.Gonzo
Idk if that would end talks with Gomes, but if he came cheap, he’d be a nice bat off the bench. Id still like to see Omar back though.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Ppaddy123-
Yeah, and those guys would both be <b?WORTHLESS to our team….
Headley has 2 HR this year….TWO.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Chop Chop–good stuff at 4:55.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Don’t think that by getting Beltran it will keep the Phillies from filling their needs, they will get someone, money talks.
Who will they get? There are no free agents until the offseason, and you can’t buy a player from another team, so money really doesn’t have any factor here. The only other player available who even comes close to filling the Phillies needs is Hunter Pence, and if they trade for him it will cripple the team for future years and/or they will have to give up a key piece of their current team (like Dom Brown). Beltran is pretty much the perfect option for them…take him off the table, and there isn’t a better player they could acquire.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
“Do the deal. Minor will never be an effective MLB pitcher.”
It doesnt MATTER is Minor is an effective major league pitcher.
This is shot at the big glory
Beltran would be a big addition to this team.
If we get him and the Braves win the World Series, I honestly couldnt care if Minor becomes Sandy Koufax for the Mets
As a baseball team and an organization, your goal is to win the World Series. That chance doesnt legitimately come around all that often. When it does, you can not afford to be timid
This situation we are in now is absolutely NOTHING like what what we were in when we traded for Texeira.
It is also not comparable to the Wainwright trade for Drew.
Those teams had no legitimate chance – with or without the star players they were trading for.
This team does.
Minor is one of our top five pitchers. And he’s not one of our top five prospects either.
Barring injury, he doesnt make the rotation today. And there are minor leaguers who project to take spots in future rotations ahead of him
It would be absolutely absurd to not trade him for a guy who could be the difference in a playoff run, for the fear that maybe he could be a rival’s fourth starter for a few years.
AB – surd
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
You said it right Don, Wren would not even be idiot level
Brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
Trade Heyward, Lowe and Gonzalez (or Pastornicky/Lipka if the Mets want a prospect) for Reyes and Beltran.
Reyes – Prado – Beltran – McCann – Chipper – Freeman – Uggla – Schafer would be pretty sick. Still would have Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson, Beachy, and bring on Teheran.
Archangel
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
Beltran has an 839 OPS against lefties this year. Make it happen!!
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
lew- I respect ya man but you have underestimated the Phillies 4 years running now. Season ends today they have the advantage and I would take them in 7 games winning in Philly. We need a bigger piece.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
PTown – Yeah, tht would work IF Beltran stays healthy – and I sincerely wonder what makes any of y;all believe he will.
You lose him to those iffy knees and you not only no longer have the bat so many think is what we need, but you no longer have Minor as a trade chip.
Definitely has the major potential to be a high risk/low reward situation.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
Schafer could be a defensive replacement/ pinch-runner and he could be used while Chippers out and when Chipper needs his days off. You’ll be losing some defensively with Beltran (not to mention gambling with his knee problems) but there is nowhere else for him to play when Chippers in the lineup.
OMRebel
July 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
Way too early to give up on Minor. I like Beltran a lot, and if there was a way we could hold onto him for 2 years then I would say “pull the trigger” on the deal and move Lowe for salary purposes.But this season is just a bonus of whats to come. We are loaded and I mean loaded with talent right now and as long as the world is still here in 2013, then the world series will be back in Atlanta for a number of years to come! Don’t do it.
Brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
Meant to add Minor in that deal above.
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Lew, perhaps the phillies do want him but the Mets have held onto him to see if other teams will give more?
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Whos to say Beltran will not get hurt again, I know hes playing for his next big payday, but we already have Chipper and Heyward
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
coachx – Exactly!!!!!! Trade Minor – go for it – but let’s get something more in return. There were six teams watching him last night and he’s the name most mentioned by other teams. No way in hell Beltran’s all you can get for him.
Name one who gives us a better chance at a ring this year. Just one. Future be damned in this case- Minor is expendable.
FairBrave
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
I think Wren wants Beltran now, but Mets holding off to see what other trades may pop up. Most trades will not happen until next Saturday or Sunday.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
“No way in hell Beltran’s all you can get for him.”
WTF? The guy isnt good enough to make our rotation. In the future, there figure to be guys who jump over him for open rotation spots.
But somehow this guy is suddenly so good that expect to get more than an all-star caliber player who is having a Hall of Fame caliber year?
That is in frickin sane
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Remember what Renteria did for SF last postseason? I think Beltran is more than capable of changing this team into a contender, to the favorite.
JT Grace
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
DOB, when the Braves trade for an outfielder what happens to the current outfielders? Wilkin will be sent down when Chipper returns. That will leave the new guy, Schafer, McLouth, Prado, JHey, and Hinske as the outfielders. I’m guessing that one of McLouth or Schafer will go somewhere. Do they keep Schafer as the 4th outfielder and release McLouth, or do they send Schafer back to AAA and use McLouth as the 4th outfielder? My best guess is that Schafer goes to AAA until the rosters expand so that he can play every day.
Columbus
July 22nd, 2011
5:01 pm
For 2 months? NO WAY. Not for a YOUNG AND LEFT-HANDED pitcher who should be ready for the Bigs next year. NO WAY. NOT FOR 2 MONTHS. NO WAY.
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
5:01 pm
Chipper and Heyward get hurt enough for the whole team
coachx
July 22nd, 2011
5:01 pm
How about JJ Hardy ?
29 year old SS who hits right handed and can hit left handed pitching. His offensive #’s are very similar to Beltran’s stats. Plus he is 5 years younger, plays a position of need, and is under contract for a several more seasons.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Definitely has the major potential to be a high risk/low reward situation.
High risk/low reward would be trading for a bad player with a spotty injury history. This is a high risk/high reward situation, because if he DOESN’T get hurt, Beltran is a great player (high reward). If he DOES get hurt, that’s the risky part (high risk).
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Heyward had a good nite last nite but that doesn’t mean anything, he has had good nites before but he is still batting .229.
whodatatl
July 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Carlos Beltran in 2008: 161 games,116 runs, 172 hits, 40 doubles, 5 triples, 27 HR’s, 112 RBI’s, 25 SB’s (not getting that this year though) .284 BA, 376 OBP, 500 SLG, .876 OPS.
He’s looking like that again this year minus the stolen bases. He’s looking pretty good.
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Bad deal Minor for Beltran ..
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
coachx,
Hardy just signed a contract extension with Baltimore…don’t see them being willing to trade him so quickly after that, at least not for the price the Braves would be willing to pay.
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
don: comparing a trade (made by John Schuerholtz FYI) of 5 (3 of which were MORE highly prized than Minor) prospects for Tex and Mahay, to a deal staright up one palyer fro the other is incredibly obtuse. I hated the Wainwright deal at the time they did it. Marquis was a head case the whole time he was with ATL and has had only occasional success since. I would not take Marquis for any of our current starters other than to dump Lowe’s salary and Marquis is overpiad too. Morton was on the verge of having the Pirates give up on him until he finally made a break through this year. I am glad to see Charlie doing well, and I liked him and wouldn’t mind having him, but his peripheral stats suggest his success this season may not be sustaainable.
extremus
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
Most likely results of Minor for Beltran:
Braves get better for two months, and as we all know too well, the playoffs are a crapshoot of who’s healthy and/or hot at the right time. After that, Beltran leaves and the Braves have NOTHING to show for this trade (UNLESS they won the World Series; nothing less would be considered worth it).
Mets would acquire a yound pitcher who would immediately be one of their better starters, perhaps even a number 2 or 3 guy in the rotation, for years to come. He’d instantly make them a more dangerous team, and as a division rival he could give the Braves headaches throughout his career.
Bottom line here is, I think the Mets have much more to gain here than the Braves from this trade; the Braves actually have much more to potentially LOSE from it. NO DEAL, Frank Wren.
Columbus
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
Get Beltran under contract for 3 years….FIRST. But you know he will want to test the market so unless he agrees to sign and comes with at least a 3 year contract, FORGET IT!
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
I didn’t know JJ Hardy was available.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
Plus, there will be no need for Minor.
1.Hanson
2.JJ
3.Huddy
4.Lowe..maybe well see him back in 12′
5.Medlen will be back next season
6.Teheran will be up in 12′
7.Delgado a mid-season call up in 12′
8.Vizcaino..I think will be a long relief man in 12′
By the time JJ is traded (Boras client), Huddy is done, and Lowe is gone, Gilmartin should be pretty close. Minor can be moved and should be moved.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
WTF? The guy isnt good enough to make our rotation. In the future, there figure to be guys who jump over him for open rotation spots.
Robert, I agree. Of course, I was never all that high on him to begin with, either. Plus he doesn’t have the knockout-type of stuff that I could see burning us in the future.
extremus
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Young pitcher; sorry for the typo.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
“Hunter Pence is the answer”
It’s not that simple
Beltran is a reasonable answer
Pence is a better answer
Kemp would be an ideal answer
But you have to realize that Minor doesnt even come CLOSE to getting you Pence.
If you’re the Astros and you trade Pence ( a reasonably priced semi-stud) for Minor (a cheap guy who might be a decent starter) – your fan base rips your nads off
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Frankie – Nope, the only thing about the Phillies I was wrong about was how good their pen would be this year.
I never ever said they didn’t have a good team – what I DID say was that I didn’t think they were going to run away with the division and that the Braves were not as much out of the running as many seem to think.
I was right, too. The Mets only lost out to the Phillies at the very end for two years, last year the Braves lead a good bit of the year until injuries came home to roost and then this year they are anything BUT running away from everyone despite having that pitching staff most felt was the best ever (funny how close the Braves’ staff is to them, too).
I just never advocated calling ballgame in the winter or during Spring Training and conceding it all to the vaunted Phillies. But not respect them? Don’t be absurd..
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Hardy is not available. O’s just locked him up long term. I guess its still possible, but I doubt it.
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
If they cannot be signed for two years, leave them along, two more years and the Phillies will be old and have to start over, if we keep making stupid deals, quick fixes, we will be in the same boat.
Brad
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Lot of you guys cry too much about this two month rental thing. Do you want to win a World Series or not? Or do you want to be just competative for the next 6 years like we have always been. I like this trade Beltran will give us the best chance to win the World Series…that’s how I think. We have pitchers in the minors who can replace Minor. Plus 3 young studs already in our rotation. So come on lets go for the championship.
braveslifer
July 22nd, 2011
5:05 pm
“Referencing an earlier comment: there is no way Minor is a top 26 – 50 pitcher.”
You are wrong Glove 1. That comment was referring to prospects and how they are valued. Take a look at the following link and look at who is #37:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2011/2611328.html
Luke M
July 22nd, 2011
5:05 pm
“By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”
WHY?
Patrick
July 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
JJ Hardy is not, he just signed a 3 year extension
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
Once again, please stop throwing out names that have no business being in the conversation…
Span has as much a chance at being traded as I do…
Plus, he doesnt fix the issue as he’s left handed…same as the statement of Colby Rasmus…
C’mon guys….to get something you have to give something up….and staying put? Thats fine, but every year we continue to do that, Tommy Hanson, Jair Jurrjens, and the rest of the young crew get older, more expensive, and closer to free agency…
Its time to make a move and try to actually WIN a championship!
Sometimes risks are worth taking….this is that risk!
Ive seen some good points, so I will readjust the trade offer…
Beltran + Taylor Buchholz + Cash for Minor + Hicks + Clemens + Asencio
Buchholz simply because he dominates RHH and THAT is exactly what we need right now in the 7th inning area…
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
Re Pence – if you’re gonna trade a reasonably priced semi-stud, you’re gonna have to get a guy who has a legitimate chance to be cheaper and even better
I mean – sure, I’d think it was great if we could find someone to trade us Fred McGridd for Donnie Elliott and Melvin Nieves every year, but you have to understand that most of the time the other team’s GM ISN’T high on crack at the deadline
tw3a
July 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
we don’t need a mets hand me down to win, KEEP MINOR
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
RC – I’d say that the chances of him getting hurt are huge – especially based on the past couple years.
Yes, anyone can get hurt at any time, but with Beltran’s history, the odds are astronomical – especaially having him play a position that will stress those knees even more.
Glenn
July 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
Until the Braves get a new HittingnCoach, don’t waste a player like Minor for a 2 month rental. Look what happened with Lee and Gonzales when they came over; both of their numbers dropped dramatically. It’s just not worth the risk.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
Plus, he doesnt fix the issue as he’s left handed…same as the statement of Colby Rasmus…
Except they’re leagues better than Schafer and McLouth
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
The Braves front office has made some bad moves in the past, but Id rate their Scouting/Development probably 2 or 3 in all of baseball. I don’t think they really believe Schafer is a long term solution. He’s a career .250 hitter in the minor leagues. They know the numbers.
BravePack
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
P-Town
Where the heck ya been?
How was MITB?
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
Just to give an idea of the type of prices for players on the trade market, I just saw this note:
“Kansas City is asking for a number three starter who’s nearly Major League ready in return for [Melky] Cabrera.”
Basically, KC is looking for a Mike Minor type player for Melky freakin’ Cabrera. If that’s the going rate on the trade market, Minor for Beltran is a steal.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
PTon – Could I interest you in some Credit Default Swaps? There’s risk and then there’s risk.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:09 pm
Brad- spot on man. This team is good, this could be a great season with a big addition. Chipper comes back healthy, add a Beltan or Pence, pray like crazy and roll the dice. Mike Minor I will recall fondly as a guy who helped us win a World Series in 2011.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:09 pm
““By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”
I mustve missed something. Did he just get on the Greyhound to Greenville?
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
BP-
Money in the Bank was amazing! I’ll be posting some great pics and video on FB pretty soon from the event….
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
For the record: I’d prefer Pence to Beltran, but I’d do the Beltran trade if Pence isn’t available at the right price.
I would without heistation say that out of our first tier or near firts tier piching prospects, Minor is far and away the guy I’d be most willing to trade. It’s great to have a good LH starting pitching, but the Braves have amply demonstarted this year that it’s not a necessity, and Oberholtzer will liekly be ready by 2013 if not sometime in 2012.
ppaddy123
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
Yeah, but Chase Headley plays everyday! While his SLG is 30 points below Chipper’s, his OBP is 49 points higher. Did I mention he plays everyday?
Columbus
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
I do like Beltran being a switch hitter but with no contract it would be a HUGE risk. Too big to take. Wish they wanted Lowe and we ate some of the contract. Lowe’s contract is killing us. We could sign Beltran for a few years without it when the season is over without giving up Minor. Find someone else. Someone that will not be a rental for a possible quality starter for years to come for a rental player. I do not like this deal. I like he is a switch hitter a lot but we need him under contract if we give up Minor. Next deal please.
Missing Comments
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
Obviously, I haven’t been talking out of my … about Beltran. People in the organization must feel like it is at least a serious consideration.
If the Mets pay all of Beltran’s salary and you give up Minor, you have a bat for the stretch run and you gave up probably your weakest “upper level” pitching prospect. You still have Teheran, Vizcaino and Delgado. You still have Beachy, Medlin and Hanson. Beltran walks away and you owe him nothing after the season. You then hope that Heyward gives you the performance you expected this year from him. Freeman is another year older. Maybe even Schafer is better. Nate’s contract is gone. That frees up what…. 6-8 mil? If you move Lowe in the off season and can dump about half of his salary that frees up another 7 mil. Suddenly, you can be in the market for a 10 mil dollar bat if you want and use the leisure of the off season to decide who that will be. Actually you probably use some of that money to cover arbitration and/or projected payroll increases. (Thundersticks noted that KK’s salary will go away as well meaning another 5-6 mil off the books)
Pence will cost you a couple of top prospects. He is gonna make maybe 10 mil next year in arbitration and you are going to have to pay him for a couple of years at least. I don’t know if I believe I want to be on the hook for Pence at 10-12 mil for a couple of years.
The Mets didn’t play Beltran in Center because they thought they had a better option in Center. I’m sure they didn’t think his head or leg would magically fall off if he played Center! Seems like Beltran would be a servicable Center Fielder if need be. Good gosh the Braves played Omar freakin Infante in center on numerous occasions the last couple of years! I think Beltran can handle it.
Could Beltran be injured in the next couple of months? Sure he could but so could Chipper, Prado and Heyward. I don’t think Steven Drew planned on breaking his leg but he did. Injuries are unpredictable but so far this year Beltran has played healthy.
The Beltran move makes the most sense to me.
OMRebel
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
We will be competative for the next 6 years with or without Minor or Beltran. Still I wouldn’t trade Minor for a rental player not named Kemp
Doc Holliday
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
I still this team is good enough to make some damage with what they have.
Having Beltran would be awesome, Schafer on the bench to pinch run……….that would be something.
Minor, I have never liked, but I think Braves could get a better young position player for Minor and not a 1 year rental.
What is clear to me is that this offense is starting to hitter better (at least it feels so), and Having Beltran would put us over the top immediately.
Having Minor as a backup plan in case anyone hits the dirt during the final 2 months, is not solid, he has not been good at all as a starter.
I would go for Gomes instead of “helping” the mets with pitching.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
Whatever- The heat has affected y’all’s brains.
Let’s trade Minor for that two month rental and then when November rolls around, we can go trade a couple other of our pitching prospects to deal with the same exact freaking situation going forward. Let’s spend our prospects twice for the same thing – in a three month period. Makes perfect sense.
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
Heyward doesn’t look enthusiastic most of the time, I heard yesterday the Braves were discussing internally about sending him to AAA to work his problems out, and lo and behold he had a very good game. Maybe Beltran trade would really light Jason’s candle?
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
“Basically, KC is looking for a Mike Minor type player for Melky freakin’ Cabrera. If that’s the going rate on the trade market, Minor for Beltran is a steal.”
Thank you. A voice of sanity
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm
Lew- going to be deja vu all over again this year. We can still win this division as is and overtake the Phillies if neither team makes a splash. I will take their big 3 over our big 3 in a 7 game series though. We need a little something, and it’s not Jonny Gomes.
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm
Minor and Shafer if necessary for Bourn, if we don’t have to give them Shafer send him to Gwinette, release McOut and call up Gartrell for 4th outfielder
extremus
July 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm
The issue here isn’t whether Mike Minor will be good enough to be in the Braves’ rotation with all of the other great pitching and prospects (Jurrjens, Hanson, Medlen, Beachy, Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado, etc) they have right now; it’s a given that there’s a logjam here. The issue is that MLB-caliber pitching is something that many other teams covet and DON’T HAVE in abundance, so the Braves would be MUCH better served by ignoring rental players like Beltran and capitalizing on that need from some team that might give them a long-term position player/prospect who could be a serious impact guy. Frankly I think they could sit back and let those teams come to THEM; by all rights it’s the Braves who are in the driver’s seat here, and they should make deals accordingly, not as if they’re desperate. I realize the temptation to go for Beltran is strong because he MIGHT help us win a championship THIS year, but think ahead should we get somebody good who’s with the Braves at least a few years longer…I like long-term repeat opportunities as opposed to a one-shot uncertainty; we should know that well from what happened after the trade for Texiera.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Lew-
Thing is, any of the players could get hurt tomorrow…just look at Schafer, Uggla, Chipper, Prado, Heyward….shall I go on?
Beltran outside of being sick has been healthy most of the year…and would be worth the slot in the lineup…because as I said before, this team has as good a shot at tanking in September and not even making the playoffs as they do making them…
Adding Beltran leads me to believe that it would change much of the lineup by doing so…there’s not much more I can say there than I feel its well worth the risk if its Minor + less
rob from sc
July 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Any Pence deals begins with Delgado/Vizcaino and Minor
Do itttt
July 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Trade Minor for Beltran. Move Prado from LF to SS and release Gonzo. Best line-up for the bravos!
rob from sc
July 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Say no to Michael Bourn
k483
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
It seems this is more of a statement of no-confidence in Chipper’s ability to finish the season. Move Prado into 3B permanently, and you have a platoon outfield.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
Y’all have lost your sanity.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
Lew,
Define “huge” chance of Beltran getting hurt. I personally think that on the Braves the chance of a “big” injury (meaning he’s not playing at nearly full capacity in the playoffs) at less than 20%. That is relatively high, but I think there are a number of factors that will help him out:
1. He’s not been playing CF all year, he’s been playing RF. It’s been easier on his legs to this point, even if he does play some CF for Atlanta.
2. Atlanta has a big enough wild card lead, and enough extra OF, to give Beltran a day off here and there to keep him healthy (similar to how we’ve had to treat Chipper for the past few years).
3. He won’t have the Mets medical staff working on him. The importance of this point cannot be overstated. The Mets medical staff has a TERRIBLE track record, and not just with Beltran. Jose Reyes, Ike Davis, Jason Bay, David Wright, even back to Ryan Church they have had issues.
4. He doesn’t have to stay healthy for a full season….you are counting on just a couple of months. The shorter the time period, the few chances for that big injury to occur.
FairBrave
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
Do we know what teams all the scouts were from last night watching Minor? He must have known they were watching him. He had one of his worst nights pitching. Gave up 6 runs.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
“Let’s trade Minor for that two month rental and then when November rolls around, we can go trade a couple other of our pitching prospects to deal with the same exact freaking situation going forward”
No. You’re worrying about 2012 at the wrong time
Let’s trade Minor for Beltran because that gives us a darn good shot to win it all in 2011
It’s time to go all-in on THIS hand. And when you are all-in on this hand, it aint the time to be worrying about the next time the button comes around
MLB
July 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
NO, NO and NO again!!!!!!!!!!
Doc Holliday
July 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
Betran?
Please dont forget that we have a 5 solid hitters right now to make us dangerous (Prado, Chipper, Freddie, Mc and Uggla) Why in the world would you go for Beltran? I still think Schafer will continue to improve, so will JH. Its a matter of time.
Trade Minor during off season for some young SS stud or CF, that is better for this team.
braveslifer
July 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
I agree with Lew. Trading for Minor for two months of Beltran is an overpay and does not directly solve a need. There is no way he plays CF and once Chipper gets back he will just take ABs away from Prado and Heyward. We need a CF with a high OBP perferably a RH one. Why not get exactly what we need if we are going to trade a gem (Minor)?
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
RC – He missed more than half of last year with knee pronblems. He missed half of 09 with knee problems. What makes you think it’s a stretch to believe that they’ll stay healthy when they aren’t by any stretch of the imagination.
And to answer someone else above, yes, the Mets though Pagan would be a good replacement in center – they were wrong and still haven’t moved Beltran there because of his knees.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
Trade Minor during off season for some young SS stud or CF, that is better for this team.
Yeah, those guys are available all the time for 4th starters….
The Jurenovich Report
July 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
For all those who say the Braves don’t show their hand, dont be naive. We showed our hands last year before we got D.Lee and also before we got Tex. If it’s being talked about more than likely Wren is close to pulling the trigger.
Although, I would much more prefer a SS who plays decent defense with average to above average offense as we currently have one that plays outstanding defense yet horrid offense. Each good/great team has one position in the lineup that is basically allocated by someone who is known more for their defense than their offense. Right now, at 100% health, we would have two in Gonzalez and Schafer and I would much rather prefer the latter if I could choose between the two.
space monkey
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
By all means let’s do Minor for Beltran. Minor has middling stuff at best. He’s not Wainwright. I don’t think he’ll ever be a solid MLB pitcher. Look at the way Beachy ate his lunch and that’s on a team that desperately needs a Lefty in the rotation.
BFChris26
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
P-Town Brave ©
How hot was the crowd for CM Punk? This storyline is amazing right now.
rob
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
Brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
Trade Heyward, Lowe and Gonzalez (or Pastornicky/Lipka if the Mets want a prospect) for Reyes and Beltran.
Reyes – Prado – Beltran – McCann – Chipper – Freeman – Uggla – Schafer would be pretty sick. Still would have Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson, Beachy, and bring on Teheran.
Trade Heyward for two about to be free agents? What are you smoking? Can you please share it with the rest of us.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
“UNLESS they won the World Series; nothing less would be considered worth it”
Wrong. The legitimate chance to win the WS is well worth it.
You’re playing the World Series of Poker – You guys are saying that you’re never gonna be willing to go all-in unless they hand you the bracelet right then and there.
it just doesnt work that way
Parker
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
I say make the deal, Beltran may not be a 2 month rental, if Chipper retires we could use his money to sign Beltran to play left when Prado moves to third, if Schafer progresses then we would have a nice outfield next year with Beltran, Schafer and Heyward. Prado, Uggla, Freeman and McCann, what a line up.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Doc Holliday
July 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
Betran?
Please dont forget that we have a 5 solid hitters right now to make us dangerous (Prado, Chipper, Freddie, Mc and Uggla) Why in the world would you go for Beltran?
Maybe because he’s a better hitter than all of them?
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Also, for the record, I’m not interested in any deal for Michael Bourn, at all. He is a good player, albeit with absolutley NO pop at all. I just don’t thinkhe fits with what ATL needs.
rpidge
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Please don’t get a rental player. Pence would be my choice if you don’t have to sacrifice the ranc;h.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Lew-
How so?
Just because Im not Bill “kiss the prospects @ss” Shanks doesn’t mean Ive lost my sanity…
Tell me where Minor fits on this team going forward…
Next year:
With Lowe:
-Jurrjens
-Hudson
-Hanson
-Lowe
-Beachy
-Medlen
-Teheran
-Delgado
Seems to my math skills that we’re way ahead of the game in pitching and thats even if we manage to deal Lowe in the off-season and if Medlen doesnt bounce back 100%
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Lew- sorry I want to sit at a table of high stakes texas holdem card game with you. Thinking your tells would be easy to spot.
Columbus
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Schaefer has not had much of a minor league career and he was injured for 2 years so the jury is still out if Schaefer is a long term solution. He has speed going for him and the Braves are in desperate need for that. Average is not the most important thing. It is OBP and runs scored for a leadoff man. Not avg as much and certainly not rbi’s. OBP and runs scored. So if Schaeffer keeps progressing on his current path and changed approach at the plate, he still has a strong shot. I have been impressed with his approach and productivity since being called up. Many players would have been defeated and never the same when they made the team and had such a hard time at the plate. He sought advice and actually listened to it and so far it is working in my mind. Next year will say a lot. This year he has showed what he needed to. He could not have done much better.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Robert- The situations are co dependent when you’re dealing with a mid market team low on cash and strong on prospects – THEY are your cash.
Why would you pay for anything twice if once would do it? Makes no sense at all.
smyrnabob
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Braves really need a long term solution in center sometime. When the Chipper contract comes off the books, they can finally move on.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
Lew,
There are multiple factors in place this year that were not in place in previous years that would contribute to protect Beltran’s knee. We’ve also go to assume that before any trade is consumated the Braves medical staff will do their due diligence on Beltran’s current medical state.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
Every source has the Braves listed as a interested team regarding Beltran and everyone here is insane.
Rudy
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
schafer, minor, Delgado, Betancourt for Bourne and Hunter Pence…..I TAKE THAT IN A HEARBEAT!!!!!!!
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
Frankie – I’m not stupid enough to be at that table to begin with – especially if I have no cash like the Braves.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
BFC26-
CM Punk chants in the concourse…
CM Punk chants during the dark match…
CM Punk chants during the opening intro…
CM Punk chants during the womens title match….
Biggest CM Punk chant when he came out…was deafening in the arena…
Need I say more
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
Please don’t get a rental player. Pence would be my choice if you don’t have to sacrifice the ranch.
And there in lies the problem. In order to get a guy like Pence, who would be under our control for longer, we would have to give up a lot more then we would for a short term guy like Beltran…
Marc Spoor
July 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
Hey DOB…
What if the Braves trade for Michael Bourn, and then move Schafer to left field. Mclouth can be the fourth outfielder. Then you don’t have to give up on Schafer, and it gives you a ton of speed at the top of the order, and great defense in the field.
What do you think?
Marc
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
I don’t think Minor will ever pull in anything better than Beltran. Even if Beltran will be a rental. Minor is blocked in this organization anyway, might as well get it while the gettin’s good, as my friends from Swamp People would say.
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
With Beltran in the lineup the Phils might do something that backfires on them, like some of our past mistakes haunted. Sounds good to me. MAKE THE TRADE!!!!!
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
Wow. This would be a terrible trade. Let’s give away one of our prized prospects to a division rival for a guy made of glass? For two months? Please. That’s absolutely stupid.
We need Bourn. Who cares if he’s a lefty? He’d be an instant upgrade over Jordan and Nate in center and at the top of the order. Jordan Schafer is not good. Apparently I’m not seeing what Braves officials are seeing in him.
Minor + Schafer + prospect = Bourn.
Besides, Bourn is under control for next year as well.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
Please don’t get a rental player. Pence would be my choice if you don’t have to sacrifice the ranch.
And there in lies the problem. In order to get a guy like Pence, who would be under our control for longer, we would have to give up a lot more then we would for a short term guy like Beltran…
Exactly. Plus his career averages aren’t worth $10-12MM a year in arb, especially away from Houston.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
I don’t why anyone views Minor as our most tradable young pitcher of the 4 that get the most press. He is the most major league ready right now. That’s a pretty big part of the assessment.
New York will not get a Mike Minor caliber player from anyone else, so why should we give that up. Have you all been watching the last few years? Teams don’t move top prospects for rentals anymore. Look at what little the Phillies gave for Oswalt last year. And they are going to get several years out of him.
Why should we give up more than that to get 2 months of Beltran?
Also, did you notice that Wren negotiated prospects from Toronto in the Yunel/Alex deal? This inidicates that he pays attention to the commodity aspects of these deals.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
Doc Holliday, no Chipper does not make you dangerous right now he has just been pushed back on his rehab, still on the DL pal.
This team is in a pennant race with a huge need for a bat.anyone that thinks the likes of Schafer, McLouth, Gonzalez, and most of the time Heyward will suffice into October is absolutely having too many early afternoon cocktails!
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
Frankie – Yep, pretty much – but not everyone – there’s been quite a few believing a Beltran deal is not the best way to go.
And maybe the interest is feigned so the Phillies are forced to deal for a battered, often injured player so the Braves don’t get him.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
rpidge-
THAT in lies the issue…
Braves dont have the constant cash flow for a Pence for the next 2 years (after this one) given the arb raises he will receive
AND
Braves would have to start w/ either Teheran or Delgado AND then add a Minor AND then add a Lipka type and then….
Basically put, think Teixeira trade bounty…
Worth it? Not sure since we’d have multiple years of Pence…
BUT I think the odds stack better of 2 months for Beltran for Minor than 2 years 2 months of Pence for a big hefty bounty.
superiorblogman
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
We should pass on Beltran. This trade would be a lot like that horrible trade the Hawks made by giving up 2 1st round picks and taking on more salary for Kirk Hinrich and still did not get any further than they did the previous 2 years. Simply put if you give up anything of significance to get Beltran for the short term you have to basically win the world series in order to justify it. I believe we can win it all but I still would look for better long term options if I am going to give up long term solutions.
Reed Johnson
Marlon Byrd
Josh Willingham
Jeff Francouer
Nolan Reimold
Should all come a lot cheaper. Maybe we could just swap Nate McClouth for one of those guys.
Missing Comments
July 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm
The Astros are asking for multiple impact players in any deal involving Hunter Pence, according to Jon Heyman, Jayson Stark and Buster Olney. Pence earns $6.9MM this year and is due for a raise this offseason, when he could see his salary jump to the $10MM range. He’ll earn another raise for the 2013 campaign before hitting free agency that offseason. Here’s the latest on Pence, who is one of few impact hitters available
My point made better than I could make it.
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm
Upton against lefties: 81 AB, .235/.357/.432
Beltran against lefties: 95 AB, .232/.291/.547
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm
“The issue is that MLB-caliber pitching is something that many other teams covet and DON’T HAVE in abundance, so the Braves would be MUCH better served by ignoring rental players like Beltran and capitalizing on that need from some team that might give them a long-term position player/prospect who could be a serious impact guy”
Wrong.
The issue is that this team has a legitimate shot to win it all. That’s not something that happens every day.
When it does, your priorities and your viewpoint all change, and everything else takes a back seat.
The error of not showing a sense of urgency in regards to a real opportunity – either because you feel confient the team will be back next year, or because you think the playoffs are just a crapshoot – that’s the exact reasons that the last time the Braves looked to be set up to be real good for a good long while, they ended up achieving exactly zero of note
This franchise had a chance to be great once before (twice actually) and hee-hawed in blissful ignorance as it passed us by on the way to New York – Please let’s not do it again.
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
Lew, people pay for the same thing all the time, if you are on vacation you rent a car while you are paying car payments and have a car sitting in the garage. Same concept. Renting is not always a bad thing, unless you overpay. Sometimes its cheaper to rent then buy, as in this case when the only cost is a pitcher that is not likely to make many more meaningful starts for the Braves.
You cite the fact there were 6 scouts there to watch him last night. Perhaps that has less to do with other teams level of interest and more with him being somewhat of an unknown or teams doing their due dilligence. Also those 6 coulda been from just 2 or 3 teams.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
Lew-
YES! Thats a great idea…lets let the Phillies get better
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
“By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”
WHY?
Braves officials are fans of low .OBP guys at the top of the order who have been suspended for PEDS… That’s my only guess.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
Glen W, bats are at a premium because teams have focused on developing young arms.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
Or watch them stumble when his knees are done for good.
space monkey
July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
Beltran has 61 RBI, 15 HRs, and a .315 BA against LHP. Do we really want to let that be added to the Phils lineup, which is already more potent than ours? Beltran’s bat would do an awful lot to equalize Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels. And does anyone really believe that Minor will be great?
coachx
July 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm
JJ Hardy is definately not being shopped but if we are offering a former 1st rounder who is also a left handed starter it would get alot of teams attention.
I just do not want a guy on the last year of his contract who would probably not be in the Braves future plans.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm
“Why should we give up more than that to get 2 months of Beltran?”
Because this team has a legitimate chance to do something great.
Because that chance isnt an everyday occurence
To say that a team’s sixth best starting pitcher, who doesnt project to ever be a stud, isnt worth a legitimate shot at winning the World Series is simply insanity
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm
So…we’re in on Heath Bell now?
Thats news….but won’t help us win any games if we dont put runs on the board…
Once again, we have Uggla, Alex, Nate, Jordan, and Jason ALL hitting under .240
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm
The price is not set by the Mets. The price is set by the best offer another team makes for Beltran. If they want to sit on him and get nothing for him. Go for it.
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5:28 pm
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Bobby Hill
July 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm
Why do we keep bringing up Pence? Let it go. The Astros aren’t trading him for anything less than a King’s ransom, and he’s not capable of playing CF full time. What would the Braves do with Pence next year?
Chop Chop
July 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm
Why get better and give Fredi a chance to prove that he’s Donk, Jr. when it matters the most?
Let’s remain a pseudo-contender and keep the Ted half-full. Maybe we’ll get another wild-card pennant or three?
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm
Screw you Robert. I happen to think you are right this time, but you were still wrong about the park homer debate because raw data was not being used. It was already processed into ratios relevant to how each park related to every other park and normalized to 1.0 + average.
and of course as everybody knows you are totally out of your butt about Bobby.
however at least today’s discussion proves that you are not a complete idiot EVERY time you open your keyboard, only usually.
henry from TN
July 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm
no deal minor for beltran unless the braves plan on signing beltran for a long term contract the end of the year…
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm
To say that a team’s sixth best starting pitcher, who doesnt project to ever be a stud, isnt worth a legitimate shot at winning the World Series is simply insanity
Giving up a top prospect when no other team is offering a top prospect is insanity.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm
Well, I’m out of here. We all believe each other to be suffering from delirium or early onset Alzheimers or just heat prostration.
Wren will make the best deal he feels he can. Of that much I’m certain. If Beltran’s the best he feels he can do, I have no problem with trading Minor, but I’ll pray constantly that Beltran doesn’t trip and become a candidate for a double knee replacement before we win it all.
Still rather have middle relief, anyway. Later.
steve
July 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm
Because we have so many good young pitchers we can trade a Minor for a Beltran and give us a better chance of winning a championship, if Chipper retires we may be able to sign Beltran for a few more years, of course every trade is a gamble but this one makes more sense because we need a big time hitter and we have plenty of good young pitchers plus hoping Medlen returns next year.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm
Beltran will go to the dl soon probably and then we would give up minor for about 10 games of beltran.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm
Robert-
Personally, I have a hard time believing he’s our 6th best pitcher…
Glen-
Top prospects don’t equate across teams….plus who the hell else could we give up?! We have nothing of use on our ML roster…thats why we’re trying to add pieces…
Bernard
July 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm
2 month rental of Beltran?????!!!!….NNNNNNO WAY DUDE!!!!!!…..Wainwright…learned from the past or you’re bound to REPEAT!!! duh
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm
Glen W, what makes you think they aren’t?
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm
We need Grant Balfour from the A’s too. You can never have too many Australians in the bullpen.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:32 pm
Lew-
While I agree there is risk involved, middle relief isn’t gonna help us score any more runs…unless we’re back in the 60’s and pitchers can really hit…
We aren’t back in the 60’s are we?!
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm
I ask: Why should we give them Minor?
And the answer is “because we can?”
Really?
The last big piece to move to a contender at the deadline was Oswalt last year. Don’t you think every GM is looking at that deal as a basic barometer for what is appropriate to give up? Minor is better than anyone the Phillies sent the Astros and is worth more than the 3 players collectively that were sent to the Astros.
Why would Frank Wren do that?
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm
It’s all a crap shoot, Minor could have arm injury next week and never be the same, Beltran could have Fred Mcgriff impact, ROLL THE DICE, who knows could win it all.
lyuff
July 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm
I say “Do the deal.”
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm
So Lew – Is the bottom line that you just have so little confidence in Beltran?
Beltran is an injury risk. Beltran is 34 years old.
But Beltran is playing for about $50 million
Now understand, I have zero interest in the Braves being the one to give him that money.
But if there’s 60 games left in his career where he’s gonna be willing to ustle from inning one thru inning twenty-one, it’s August and September of 2011
Bobby Hill
July 22nd, 2011
5:34 pm
Just because Minor may qualify as expendable to the Braves, doesn’t mean he’s not valuable to the team. As a lefty MLB ready starting pitcher he is a very valuable trade chip. the fact that the team also has other prospects does not lower Minor’s value to other teams. The Braves shouldn’t be willing to sell Minor for pennies on the dollar just because they also have Teheran, Delgado, etc.
jmor
July 22nd, 2011
5:34 pm
Beltran is almost 35 and injury prone…His best days are behind him, To give up a 24 year old left handed starter for 2 months of Beltran is a bad move.
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
5:34 pm
Glen W….Happ (last year) was viewed as better than Minor (this year).
JMF
July 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
Please don’t do it! This team is capable of winning if folks hit their career average the rest of the year. Terrible deal. why don’t we see if we can get Escabar back for Gonzo. and while we are at it why not get Milky back. They are both hitting .300 or close. Quit giving our talent away.
Just Pat
July 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
I’m no baseball maven and readily admit that, but……am just against short term rentals in general. About the only plus I see is keeping him away from the Phillies but who says they even WANT him?
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
Top prospects don’t equate across teams….plus who the hell else could we give up?! We have nothing of use on our ML roster…thats why we’re trying to add pieces…
Delgado.
Glen W, what makes you think they aren’t?
Because GM’s don’t generally like to be an outlier in terms of how much talent they are giving up. Teams don’t move ML-ready prospects for rentals. I could see the Braves send Minor if they are getting back a prospect from the Mets as well. But not straight up.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
Check out Buchholz for the Mets…thats who Id be looking at as a 2nd piece, if thats why Fregosi is at the Mets/Marlins game tonight…
JMF
July 22nd, 2011
5:36 pm
Trade Lowe and bring up Tehran.
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
5:36 pm
We all need a BJ….Upton that is.
I get it. Oral sex. Nice.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:36 pm
“Don’t you think every GM is looking at that deal as a basic barometer for what is appropriate to give up?”
No I dont.
And the fact that the Royals have indicated they want a major league ready pitcher who projects to the 3rd starter spot or higher for Melky Cabrera tells me I am right
The Phillies stole Oswalt –
Sure, you offer every othetr GM the crack pipe and see if they’ll smoke it. But if they dont, that doesnt mean you stand pat
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
5:37 pm
Bobby Hill – which other RH or switch hiting OF, that would be made available in a trade for Mnor, would you trade him for? None?
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
5:37 pm
Not sure if anyone post this yet this is from twitter
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Big cheeses continue to show up to scout #Mets. #Braves special assistant Jim Fregosi at Mets-Marlins game.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:39 pm
“Personally, I have a hard time believing he’s our 6th best pitcher”
I have no problem with that assessment.
All the more reason to do this deal before one of our rivals does.
I mean come on.
The Royals are saying that Minor wouldnt get you Melyk Cabrera while the Mets are saying Minor might get you Beltran?
And we’re considering saying NO?
IN-sane
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:39 pm
PTown – Have you looked at the runs scored recently? Out of 17 games this month, they scored five or more eight times and four on four more occasions. They’re winning at a .600 (or damned close to it) clip. They ARE scoring runs now that Uggla’s hitting and Freeman heated up.
We’re 11-6 this month so far and are just coming off of two consecutive 17 win months. Apparently we are scoring enough to win a good bit of the time .
And three of those six losses this month were by a single run – apparently we don’t need all that much more offense. And of the other three losses, two were complete blowouts where even if you have Hank Aaron and Willie Mays we still could well have gotten beat.
Starsky
July 22nd, 2011
5:39 pm
Do it.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:39 pm
Glen W….Happ (last year) was viewed as better than Minor (this year).
Says who?
Happ was a 27-year old with barely a year of service time. Minor is 23-year old former 1st rd draft pick dominating AAA and having some success at the major league level already.
Explain that.
Just Pat
July 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm
I dunno….after yesterday’s two (or three) comebacks, I say stand pat instead of renting Beltran for a coupla months.
Spider29
July 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm
I know I’m late chiming in about Beltran (I just got in from work) but I’d hate for the Braves to give up Minor for a very short-term “rental”. And while Beltran is a good player, I just don’t think he will put the Braves over the top. He is injured a lot and he isn’t that great against lefty pitching. Trade Minor if we must but for something more than a player who will only be in Atlanta for a couple of months.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm
Glen-
No way Minor is even with Delgado…
and B, REALLY?! You obviously dont recall the A’s/Rockies trade that sent Matt Holliday to Oakland for a package that included CarGo….that would be something like what the Braves would be doing, only on a smaller scale…
Oh, and that was for a few months of Holliday
Bobby Hill
July 22nd, 2011
5:41 pm
Sellers are going to make outrageous demands. That’s part of the game. The Royals can bluster all they want about what they expect for Melky or Frenchy, but no one will be stupid enough to offer what their asking.
Can you imagine trading Minor for half a season of Frenchy or Melky. Wren would lose his job over a deal like that.
Carroll Rogers
July 22nd, 2011
5:41 pm
From Adam Rubin of ESPNNew York…Braves special assistant Jim Fregosi is scouting the Mets-Marlins tonight.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:41 pm
Robert – the team with the rental does not set the price. The Astros did not with Oswalt and the Mets do not with Beltran. They are only worth what someone else is willing to pay.
Starsky
July 22nd, 2011
5:41 pm
P-Town Brave..not a very good reference.
If anything this could turn into an Adam Wainwright deal. But I highly doubt it.
don
July 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm
I’ll back up and support a trade for Beltran but only if the Brave3s give the Mets Wren and Schuerholz in return. Two for one. Nothing more.
braveslifer
July 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm
“Check out Buchholz for the Mets…thats who Id be looking at as a 2nd piece, if thats why Fregosi is at the Mets/Marlins game tonight…”
Not likely Bucholz hasn’t pitched for the Mets since May 29th. Maybe another RP though…
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm
All the NaySayers on here saying No,No don’t trade for Beltran will be praising the deal if we get him and he goes on a tear. Saw it many times on here over the years.
Bama Brave
July 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm
The Braves special Assistant Jim Fregosi is at the marlins and met game.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm
Lew-
And yet we still have 4 players consistently in the lineup at below .240…
So you tell me, what happens when the pitching gets better and FF shows his youth and BMac and Martin have a night off?
We need a bat.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
5:43 pm
Whatever- The heat has affected y’all’s brains.
Let’s trade Minor for that two month rental and then when November rolls around, we can go trade a couple other of our pitching prospects to deal with the same exact freaking situation going forward. Let’s spend our prospects twice for the same thing – in a three month period. Makes perfect sense.
I’m not in favor of Minor for Beltran, but I can certainly see how it makes sense. You have a surplus of pitching and Minor arguably has the lowest ceiling of your pitching prospects.
The Braves have managed to have a pretty good season with a pretty bad offense. A pretty good season, but still a second place season. Beltran would lead the Braves in several offensive categories including OBP, SLG, and (obviously) OPS.
So yes, I can see how trading the least valuable of your pitching prospects (you know…the ones you can get value for) for a player who could make a pretty good team into a great team would make sense.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
Yeah we do – Just not Beltran or BJ Upton.
Justmythoughts
July 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
Spider 29 at 5:40: I agree with you wholeheartedly – you said it better than I could.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
Or Jonny Gomes.
Juan
July 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
WTF we need to scout Beltran for.Just make the deal….It’s Beltran is in the
Lineup?…anyone
DS1
July 22nd, 2011
5:45 pm
Let’s trade for Punter Hence!
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:45 pm
No way Minor is even with Delgado…
and B, REALLY?! You obviously dont recall the A’s/Rockies trade that sent Matt Holliday to Oakland for a package that included CarGo….that would be something like what the Braves would be doing, only on a smaller scale…
Oh, and that was for a few months of Holliday
Wrong on all counts. Delgado’s secondary pitches are not nearly enough along to call him a better prospect than Minor. His ceiling might be a little higher, that’s it. Minor can pitch in the big leagues right now.
The A’s got 3 prospects back for Holliday. And CarGo was a gamble that worked out because he was not playing all that well at the time the Rockies traded for him. Worked out for them… good for them.
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm
Minor for Beltran is probably equitable, as far as that goes. Beltran might even help a little. But, geez, some of you guys seem to think you’re trading for the guy seven years ago, LOL.
If the team picks him up, I’m fine with that. But I won’t be doing cheerleading jumps and screaming, “The Braves just traded for the pennant!” You guys shouldn’t, either. That would be wild-eyed optimism that’s bound to break your heart.
(By the way, if they don’t pick him up, I’m fine with that, too. There are other ways to skin this cat.)
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm
Im all for this deal the more I think about it. The only real problem is he really has nowhere to play unless Chipper is out for an extended period, or they’re going to pull Schafer from an everyday job (which I wish they would do).
njbraves
July 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm
As usual, people are more concerned with prospects than with actually trying to win the WS. The Braves have a ton of minor league pitching and Beltran is a good player having a good season. He makes the Braves a better team and a more serious WS contender. I say go for it.
Bigwheel
July 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm
As much as we all like minor, like charlie morton: he is a blocked prospect. That said, braves should either send schafer down or give away/DFA mclouth. No reason taking at bats away from jason or prado if beltran is playing.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm
“The price is not set by the Mets. The price is set by the best offer another team makes for Beltran”
There is a time and place where the philosophy of “let’s pay or give up as little as possible in building our team” is absolutely appropriate
In fact, I would argue that that time and place is most of the time
And then is the relatively rare time when the appropriate philosophy is “let’s just go out and get what we need before the chance is gone or before one of our rivals gets it”
This is that special time
The Cox years have made us numb. With the teams Cox had, a playoff run WAS almost a given, even at the same time that a playoff spot didnt make the Braves a real contender
Things have changed.
This team DOES have a chance
Mike
July 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm
DOB,
I understand what you are saying but that Texas deal taught us a very hard lesson that we gave up too much for a player that went some where else. If that deal wasnt done with Texas, we would never trade for Gonzalez (SS), we would have a bullpen that would been stacked for years and years and another trade chip that can be used for something else, I say Nay to this trade. Unless he is willing to stay or we get somebody that is going to mesh with team more than 2 mos. The answer is NO!!!!
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm
jeffrey d- Yeah, but scroll back and see where I said (multiple times) how I have no problem trading Minor, just not for often injured Beltran.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
5:48 pm
they set the price in that it is their decision whether to accept what is being offered.
I can see how both sides feel, but personally I would do the deal. But I have never been a big Minor fan either.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm
“The Braves had a VERY legit shot during most of the 90s, especially the early-mid 90s.”
By definition, no team managed by Bobby Cox has a legitimate shot to win the World Series.
1995 was a MAJOR fluke
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm
I would not be suprised to see Wren send Minor to the Mets for Beltran, but only if the Mets are willing to send a lesser prospect back to offset the year of affordability and control we are givign up in Minor.
That’s what we did when we traded for Javy Vazquez. That’s what happened when we traded for Alex Gonzalez. That’s how the market has been working the last couple of years.
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm
Glen W…
Happ was coming off of 31 starts for the Phils, where he was 14 & 5 with an ERA in the low-3’s pitching part-time in that ballpark.
Minor, in 14 MLB starts, is 4 & 4 with an ERA of 5.35. And for a guy who’s tearing up AAA, in his last 10 starts, he’s pitched 62 innings, given up 64 hits & 18 walks (8 homers), and only has 55 strikeouts & 2 wins.
CB
July 22nd, 2011
5:50 pm
No,what has made us numb,Robert, is your incessant blathering about Cox.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:50 pm
Robert (5:47) you stated your view very well in that post. I enjoy that type of discussion.
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
5:51 pm
We only need a minor fix .A RH bench player & a relief pitcher ….
I would not trade Minor for Beltran unless Beltran was signed for at least 2 years in a Sign & trade deal ..
We can get by with Schafer in CF he has good defense & speed ,sometimes the defense saving a run is a good as the offense scoring a run.
Save the good prospects to deal in the winter when player prices are lower .Chipper could retire & we will need good quality (Minor) trade bait to fix the 3B hole, also SS will need a fix too..
We only talking one month, because Sept 1 we can call up minor league players as the roster expands to help us..
Time to Hold them & walk away
njbraves
July 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm
Beltran has been healthy all year, and has a lot to play for. I’m not looking for the Braves sign him after the season, but the last time he was playing for a contract, he went on a tear. You guys need to realize that you have to give, in order to get. Plus, it would keep him from Philly and SF. I love the trade. We keep all of our high ceiling pitchers and get rid of the guy who projects to be a #3 starter. I don’t understand why this is such a big deal.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:53 pm
Happ was coming off of 31 starts for the Phils, where he was 14 & 5 with an ERA in the low-3’s pitching part-time in that ballpark.
That’s a good point. I would still disagree and say he was 27 years old and not considered a top prospect. But the Astros did get 4+ years of control of a pitcher that was having success.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:53 pm
For those against sending Minor to New York:
1. Are you really scared of the Mets going forward?
2. Do you think he’s really going to be missed with our future rotation?
3. Beltran is coming basically free of charge
4. We need more runs than more Gwinnett wins RIGHT NOW.
5. Is facing Minor 4 or 5 times a year really that scary to think about?
6. DONT YOU WANT TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP?!
Chipper's ACL
July 22nd, 2011
5:53 pm
I can’t pull the trigger on this deal. I may have a different reply IF the Braves were receiving draft compensation when he walked at season’s end. If you’re trading young pitching you need to get someone who will be around a while. So we’re bragging on Schafer on how well he’s progressing but where would Beltran play when Heyward’s in the lineup??? Not a good move. Here’s a tought and I haven’t seen his name tossed around for the Braves. One x-Brave, Frenchy. Cheap, has been hitting lefties well, and we all know about his defense. Wouldn’t this move make more sense? Maybe that’s why it won’t happen.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
5:53 pm
I don’t see a problem with Beltran playing CF. He’s played CF almost exclusively his entire career. He’s played RF just fine this season, and it’s not like there’s steel grass out in center that will be that much more punishing on him. Granted he’ll be no Jordan Schafer out there, but I think his bat will help the team a lot more than Schafer’s glove will.
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
5:53 pm
I will say this: if keeping Beltran from the Phillies is a big part of why you favor the trade, you need better reasons.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
5:53 pm
gotta disagree with that Wayne. nobody down there who is likely to help in the OF
brave
July 22nd, 2011
5:54 pm
how about Delgado,Minor,Schafer,Hoover & A ball player for Adam Jones & Uheria
Bigwheel
July 22nd, 2011
5:54 pm
Robert – you coming to the game on the 12th? Itl be like randy quaid in major league, cant wait.
FairBrave
July 22nd, 2011
5:55 pm
I think there’s more to the trade than Minor for Beltran. Probably a piece we are not hearing about.
I would rather have Beltran than let Phillie’s have him.
Where can I find out Beltran’s average against the Phillies.
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
5:55 pm
I don’t think you want Beltran…his picture is in the dictionary next to DL. My choice would be to trade Tommy Hansen for Pence. Hansen is a really good pitcher, but doesn’t usually go more than six innings. Maybe throw in McLousy and one of our minor league relievers for good measure. Just my opinion.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
5:55 pm
Robert (5:47) you stated your view very well in that post. I enjoy that type of discussion.
If he could ever go a day without reminding us his disdain for Bobby Cox, these Robert discussions would be a lot more jovial.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm
more room to cover and thus more stress on his knees jeffrey. holding up in center is my big concern but I think they would use him some in right too unless Jason really picks it up.
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm
I’ve got 0 interest in sitting Heyward or Schaefer to get Beltran in the lineup. Minors a fair enough price, but we don’t need Beltran.
Terrence Moore
July 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm
The Braves would never trade away a white player for a black player. Are you guys dreaming?
Chop Chop
July 22nd, 2011
5:57 pm
Here’s one:
Minor, Vizcaino, Spruill, A-Gon, and Schafer to the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez and Edward Mujica.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
5:57 pm
Robert – you coming to the game on the 12th? Itl be like randy quaid in major league, cant wait.
“MILD THING! You make my BUTT sting!”
njbraves
July 22nd, 2011
5:57 pm
” Save the good prospects”…. Why, so everyone can have a mental breakdown the next time a trade idea pops up?? In the end, it doesn’t matter what Wren does here, he will be called out either way.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:57 pm
The Braves special Assistant Jim Fregosi is at the marlins and met game.
JF in St Louis when D Lee went on a tear scouting him. Lets hope Beltran doesn’t go yard 4 times!
Snarky
July 22nd, 2011
5:57 pm
With the reluctance of some “fans” here on the blog to make a daring trade, you would think that they would prefer Pat Gillick to be our GM.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:58 pm
“I do like Beltran being a switch hitter but with no contract it would be a HUGE risk”
You’re thinking that because you are thinking about the future at a time when you should be thinking about right now
I’ll come back at you and say this
On a team that is a legitimate contender, Minor has pitched all of 33.1 replaceable innings.
If you trade that for Beltran and Beltran gets hurt right away, you havent lost anything as far as this season is concerned.
Looking at it that way, it’s NO risk
We are playing to win NOW. At some point you gotta go all-in
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm
Beltran will go to the dl soon probably and then we would give up minor for about 10 games of beltran.
How many times has he been on the DL this year again?
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm
If the team picks him up, I’m fine with that. But I won’t be doing cheerleading jumps and screaming, “The Braves just traded for the pennant!” You guys shouldn’t, either. That would be wild-eyed optimism that’s bound to break your heart.
Oh, come on, scoots! You jump[ed for joy when this team got Uggla, AND extended him. You won’t be happy that this team added ANOTHER slugger?!?!?!
No pennant is wrapped up until the ump calls that final strike. But I don’t want to sit here and shop for the Jonny Gomes of the world. Give me more impact than that. Something that gives us more of an edge. If it’s Beltran, fine. If it’s Heath Bell, fine. Bourn, sure. But get us something, Wren. Not Ankiel/Farnsworth. …..
Chop Chop
July 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm
I want to see Fredi and Hanley duke it out.
twoiron
July 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm
Love all these people spending Chipper’s $$ for next year. Chipper is getting Chipper’s $$ next year.
BravePack
July 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm
P-Town
You think CM Punk is done with WWE? Or just taking a break?
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
6:00 pm
Dude’s a knee replacement waiting to happen.
But y’all didn’t believe me either when some were ready to give Hanson to the Padres for Jake Peavy. I was called a damned fool when I said he was an injury risk. Seems I was right.
Let’s hope I’m wrong this time. But don’t count on it.
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm
Well fellas, I hope I helped get some U riled up a little. Truth be known, I don’t have much respect for Beltran to be honest. I LOVE THE BRAVES and am hoping for another Championship, started watching Braves when they moved to Atlanta, so I’ve seen it all and think his bat would do the trick. I don’t think Minor will ever do much for us, unless it’s this trade. GO BRAVES!!!
ATLcracker
July 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm
Why is every one so sure Beltran is a two month rental ? He is almost 35 with an injury history. He has been a very good player but he is not on that top tier where the Yankees and Red Sox will be looking to hand out a mega contract. The Braves are freeing up some money this year. Suppose he comes in. Does well. Likes the guys and the city. Helps us to a successful post season. Likes being on a winner. Why wouldn’t he sign with the Braves for a reasonable 3 year deal ? It could happen.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm
Minor and Constanza for Beltran.
I just want to see Constanza get some Major League playing time. He’s earned it.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm
BravePack/ P-Town-
If you guys like WWE stuff, Bill Simmons did a column yesterday about the best entrance music of all time… http://www.grantland.com (I’m not much of a wrestling fan these days, but the column was great)
Bigwheel
July 22nd, 2011
6:02 pm
I def. Got video evidence on nfl live today the back of john claytons head, revealing quite a roll up.
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm
twoiron, I respectfully disagree. Chippah is running a close second to Beltan for Mr. DL…he’ll retire after this year and be given a grand celebration. His surgery is easy for a 20 year old, but horrible when you are forty.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm
The Braves would never trade away a white player for a black player. Are you guys dreaming? Terrence Moore
1) You spelled your name wrong, Terence
2) Beltran isn’t black
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
The thing about the Wainwright deal was that JD drew KILLED the ball for us when he came on the Braves. Beltran will nowhere be near as potent as JD drew was it the time.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
Frankie – Some of us believe that the operative term on Beltran hitting the DL this year should be , no Not Yet.
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
Why does everyone assume Beltran > Heyward? We’re not going to play Beltran in CF often.
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
holding up in center is my big concern but I think they would use him some in right too unless Jason really picks it up.
My only concern is them sitting Heyward over Schafer when Beltran comes aboard – which needs to be considered here. They are clearly delusional regarding Jordan Schafer, and believe he is star in the waiting. Sad, really. I don’t care about trading Minor. I don’t care about Beltran’s lack of range in center. But I do care about them starting Beltran in RF and playing Schafer in center the rest of the way. Fredi would do it. He’s that awful. Bigger problem is, Wren wouldn’t say anything. And that’s the scariest thing of all.
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
Nolie, as our friend says pitching & defense wins ball games .. SF did it last year ..I know how you feel on Minor ,you did not think he was good draft pick (Braves going cheap that yea ) r..
I just dont like rental trades.. Braves offense is starting to hit too ,that makes a difference..
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
I hope Wren is not stupid enough to make this deal for Beltran, we have two needs, lst getting rid of Lowes salary and getting a center fielder, this deal does neither one.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
“The Astros are asking for multiple impact players in any deal involving Hunter Pence, according to Jon Heyman, Jayson Stark and Buster Olney”
Minor could net us Beltran
Make it Minor and Teheran and we might could get Pence
Folks, the other teams are working for THEIR interests, not ours.
We want to get the player who IS good for the prospect who MIGHT be good
They want the player who IS ready for the chance that we MIGHT win it all
We wouldnt have it any other way of we were on the other side of the fence.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
Bob-
Why would Chipper retire? He had a ’scope. It is really not a major thing.
My Name Is Earl
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!! More than likely Beltran would come over for about 2 months and have a start just like Uggla did. And lose a top prospect? NO! Grow our own. Win of lose. Have fun! Winning or not winning is not the end of the world. It Is a Game! A Game! My Gosh! Remember The Alamo. I mean Remember Wainwright!
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
We’re not going to play Beltran in CF often.
who are we gonna play?
NickB
July 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
here’s a few things to consider:
A) If a totation spot opens up in 2012(via a Lowe trade, beachy trade wtvr) Teheran is probably going to be the man who gets the spot. Making Minor the odd man out.
B) most fans overvalue their own prospects , always viewing them as a “lock” to reach their projected “ceiling” It’s about 50/50 on prospects panning out as far as their projected potential goes and Minor’s potential is mid -rotation level. That’s good to have of course, but he’s not an untouchable.
C) If you want to rent a bat with a good history of production and an OPS of.911 AND have most of his salary paid, you aren’t going to get him with a low level prospect and a throw in. You have to give up something MLB ready. Not a potential superstar, but someone who can be expected to contribute on the big team to start 2012. Minor is that guy
IMO, IF the Braves are going to acquire Beltran, Mike Minor is the perfect chip to cash in. he’s probably blocked next season in the rotation, doesn’t project as an ace and due to the fact we have 2 other lefties in the minors now who project either similarly or better, he’s expendable.
I don’t think it’s too high a price for that much offensive production. In fact he seems to be the cheapest,easiest piece to move….. I make the deal. It makes the team much more potent and changes the way pitchers have to attack the lineup as a whole. Especially if we have back to back switch hitters again!
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
“Giving up a top prospect when no other team is offering a top prospect is insanity.”
No. Worrying about what the other guy is doing when you have it in your grasp to go get the big prize is misguided priorities
VaBravesFan
July 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
If the Braves are gonna make this trade they should just do it now and get Beltran in the lineup tomorrow. Why keep waiting? Longer the wait the less will get to use him..
Patrick Star
July 22nd, 2011
6:08 pm
I just think Bourn adds more to the team. I think he would be here long term, and I believe Beltran would be a half-year-rental. I like Shafer, but I don’t mind giving him up for a better hitter and about the same defender.
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
6:08 pm
To treat any young, major league ready, pitcher as “expendable” is a mistake. This team should be looking to add bullpen depth (especially with Medlen’s recent set back) and a solid defensive outfielder with a serviceable bat (Ryan Ludwick!). Giving up an insurance policy in the starting rotation, which is invaluable, for a 2 month rental of an aging Beltran whose recent past has been riddled with injury, only serves to weaken this team’s biggest weapon; pitching.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm
First of all this deal would be very interesting, but lets look at it closely:
Mike Minor is he expendable= YES
Minor is a good pitcher but most think he is the #4 starting pitching prospect in the Braves system and with the Drafting of Gilmartin the Braves have replaced him if he goes.
Carlos Beltran is injury prone= NO
He had a devestating injury at the end of July of 2009 which kept him out a year till August of 2010. He has missed no games with injury this season and before the big imjury was NEVER on the DL!!!
Carlos Beltran can still produce= YES
He is hitting .290 with 15 HR’s and 61 RBI’s which would be in our top two on our team, so folks wake up.
Carlos Beltran is a 2 month Rental= MAYBE
He has always produced down the stretch and could put up huge numbers which would give him a big contract that we probably not pay for, but just maybe he produces like he is and likes the Braves orginazation like Hinske and will take less money to be the Braves 4th OF in his last 3 years
That all I said I would do the deal!!!!
GO BRAVES BEAT THOSE REDLEGS!!!
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
Not a chance I would trade Teheran and Minor for Pence and the 25 million he’ll get through arbitration through 2013. Heck no. He isn’t worth that salary and could damn well be a non tender candidate after next year. Paying a player like him over 12 million dollars is not smart baseball. He isn’t THAT good.
JSA
July 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
Frank Wren. I never comment because I do not pretend to be a baseball expert. But the Braves unless they collapse are at least the wild card and have stayed so despite injuries to Martin and Chipper as well as slumps by Uggla, Heyward, and others.However they are bouncing back.Braves need to think about a 6-man rotation before the playoffs to save the arms. A 23 yr old Minor would help better than anyone else. Why trade for an oft injured 34 yr old Beltran who will not stay? There are no guarantees that any of the other prospects are going to pan out. If we can get a hitter without giving a top line prospect, do it. Otherwise, we may regret who we gave up like we did with Texteira and Wainwright.
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm
Okay, gotta run. Go Braves! Go get em, Frank!
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm
cabravesfan…mainly because he’s not close to a $16M player anymore, he misses more games exponetially every season, his range is about half, and he’s at the end of his contract. I think he knows when to go out on top, unlike A Jones, Glavine, and Smoltz.
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
Beltran isn’t a big prize. He’s not better than Heyward, therefore to us he’s actually a stumbling block.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
seeya Efrim
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
“Robert – the team with the rental does not set the price.”
So your philosophy would be to go ahead and let this golden opportunity pass because you cant name the price?
That’s just stupid.
You know what else is stupid? What’s stupid is that this guy who cant make our rotation and who figures to get jumped over in the rotation and suddenly as soon as some other team shows interest in him we change our mind and now he’s our untradeable top prospect.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
Bob-
But barring a serious injury (the meniscus tear is not serious) why would he walk away with one year left on his deal? he wants to play. he will if he can.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
Y’all worry about paying a much younger Pence $10 mil a year, but would be willing to re-sign a Beltran at 35 for the same amount or more longer term?
Remind me not to let you manage my retirement portfolio.
CB
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
JSA, not being a baseball expert doesn’t stop too many here.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
Probable Lineup with Beltran:
LF Prado
CF Beltran
C McCann
3B Jones
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
RF Heyward
SS Gonzalez
jch
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
ugaaccountant – I’m failing to see your logic… he’ll be playing “with” Heyward, not instead of him. Who’s stumbling?
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
Only if he can contribute…Chippah is too much of a gentleman and a realist.
North Ave Trade School Hater
July 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
stupid trade for a 2 month rental. History proves me right – Wainright and the trade for Texiera.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
“The thing about the Wainwright deal was that ……”
The thing about the Wainwright deal was that Cox was managing the Braves. We couldve gotten ARod, Pujols, Votto, Halliday, Sabathia, Verlander, and Paris Hilton for Wainwright and that team still wouldve had zero chance to win it all
boondawg
July 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
How many prospects over the years have not worked out. Do the deal now and let’s enjoy the last part of this season. Live for today and win now if you can. I ain’t playing for next season until next season.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
I think they would play him mostly in CF, perhaps some in right against a lefty.
Hard to know what Fredi would do truthfully.
I like the deal but ain’t gonna be upset either way it goes down.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
And Chipper played 143 games in ‘09, and was on pace for similar totals until he hurt his knee last year (95 games played) so saying he is playing less is not really accurate
Lollygagger
July 22nd, 2011
6:16 pm
While we’re debating Beltran, Wren is gonna go get Ludwick and Qualls from San Diego.
jch
July 22nd, 2011
6:16 pm
nolee – I wouldn’t be upset either way it falls but, I’d like to see them do something of substance. If for no other reason than to show the rest of the team management is serious about winning THIS year and they should be too.
All in all, I say do the deal.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm
Chipper is also smart enough to not walk away from $13 million. (Not $16m, by the way) Especially if he feels he can still play.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm
@noleeee
My sources say Beltran most likely a Brave by Monday, Schaffer will go to AAA to continue working on leadoff hitting:)
Francouer still looks like he will go to Philly for Kendrick, but waiting on Oswalt to come off of DL
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:18 pm
Not a chance I would trade Teheran and Minor for Pence and the 25 million he’ll get through arbitration through 2013. Heck no. He isn’t worth that salary and could damn well be a non tender candidate after next year.
NT candidate after next year? Hunter Pence?
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:18 pm
Chipper will be back in 2012 if healthy, and likely 2013 if he stays healthy enough in 2012 to make the contract minimum playing time
Keith
July 22nd, 2011
6:18 pm
Its easier to face him for the next 10 years as a Met when he is opposed by Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado, Perez or Gilmartin. Some say he could win 15 games a season as a Met. He could, but these guys combined could win 75 per season. Minor may be #1 on the depth chart, but he would be #6 on the potential chart.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm
Hunter Pence will stay in Houston along with Bourn, most likely to be traded for the Astros will be Wandy Rodriguez and/or Brett Meyers
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
holding up in center is my big concern but I think they would use him some in right too unless Jason really picks it up.
My only concern is them sitting Heyward over Schafer when Beltran comes aboard – which needs to be considered here. They are clearly delusional regarding Jordan Schafer, and believe he is star in the waiting. Sad, really. I don’t care about trading Minor. I don’t care about Beltran’s lack of range in center. But I do care about them starting Beltran in RF and playing Schafer in center the rest of the way. Fredi would do it. He’s that awful. Bigger problem is, Wren wouldn’t say anything. And that’s the scariest thing of all.
Exactly – if the idea is to sit heyward alot then this trade makes absolutly no sense to me. Heck, it makes no sense anyway, but this would be beyond retarded. Beltran can only be obtained if the braves think he can play centre everyday
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
cabravesfan…are you Chippah? Look at your math my friend, sure looks like fewer games each year to me. Besides, it’s always something. Do you think he’s worth $16M? I’m thinking we can do better, and how many championships have we won since 2000? How many WS since 1996? Maybe time for a change?
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
Schaffer will go to AAA to continue working on leadoff hitting:)….ken
thats what I would like to see in those circumstances
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
Chipper WILL be back next season folks unless we win the whole thing this year and Chip might take buyout to go out on top!!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
Pence isnt even that good. The astros are really not going to get a deal done demanding so much for a guy who is only a slightly above average hitter.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
@noleeee
The Orginization would like that too so it has heightened their interest in getting a trade done
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
Bob-
Maybe you should check your math- He’s NOT MAKING $16 MILLION..Did you even read my post? I said last year he was on pace to play similar amount of games as he did in 2009. And are you really blaming Chipper for a lack of championship?
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
I dont think we know for Fact Minor could get us Beltran . I dont think Wren will open up to anyone who he might be looking to get,so this is just a trade rumor at best . same as Minor, Cabrera & Salcedo for Kemp would be ,interesting chat though..
Sheethook
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
How about Mike Minor for Jose Reyes ?
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
Kemp not on the block NV049
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
2007: 134 games
2008:128 games
2009: 143 games
Not declining every year…sorry
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
I’m thinking we can do better, Bob
not sure how that would be. He was leading the league in RISP,intentional walks and doubles not long b4 the injury. and one of the highest OPS on the team. He may not be waht he was, but nowdays nobody else is either. You can’t compare numbers from today to those of three + years ago
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
Jose Reyes looks as though like his team wants to finish the season in NY and then see if a deal can be worked out
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
I wonder if the Mets are even interested at this point after Minors performance last night.
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
I wonder if the fact that the Fregos is at the Mets game indicate that Beltran to the Braves is close to happen
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Chipper is still one of the Best National League 3B’s
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Efrim, sorry, I can in no universe equate acquiring Beltran with acquiring Uggla. Probably not even in parallel dimensions, LOL.
I mean, you want the guy to help you against LHP, right? But doesn’t he make outs against LHP even moreso than Alex? Wouldn’t that tend to temper the enthusiasm just a wee bit?
As I said, I’m OK with picking up the guy. Probably right up to the point when he gives Fredo ideas for “creative” lineups. At that point, I’m probably be ready to kneecap the sumbee.
DAM
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Mike Minor is expendable given the depth of starting pitching we have in the minors. To me, Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino are all better prospects than Minor. Let’s not forget that we will also have Medlen available next year, as well. We’ve seen this year that it really doesn’t matter too much whether or not we have a LH starting pitcher in the rotation. I think if the Mets want Minor for Beltran, we should take it.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Blankster- Pence isn’t even that good. Have you watched him play? I really believe you are underestimating how good of a hitter he is and will continue to be.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
should be by Monday Bravesfaninnc
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Nobody should doubt thatif carlos beltran is healthy then this guy is a complete beast. BUT is he healthy enough to lay centre and will he stay healthy? I say too much risk and we r better off going for a right handed OF like reed johson.
Also, hunter pence is not good. He will be overpaid next year and year after, AND the astros want a kings ransom for a guy with a career .800 ish OPS. Hardly great.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm
But doesn’t he make outs against LHP even moreso than Alex? …Scoots
Scoots with a double helping of hyperbole thar….
DAM
July 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
Blankster, Beltran is a switch hitter, so he would be the RH bat against lefties that we need.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
You know what else is stupid? What’s stupid is that this guy who cant make our rotation and who figures to get jumped over in the rotation and suddenly as soon as some other team shows interest in him we change our mind and now he’s our untradeable top prospect.
I did not say that Minor was not tradeable. I said trading him for a rental makes no sense given how the market has worked the last 3 years. Given Wren’s track record, if we dealt Minor to get Beltran, Wren would look for a lesser prospect to get back.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
“My only concern is them sitting Heyward over Schafer when Beltran comes aboard – which needs to be considered here. They are clearly delusional regarding Jordan Schafer, and believe he is star in the waiting. Sad, really. I don’t care about trading Minor. I don’t care about Beltran’s lack of range in center. But I do care about them starting Beltran in RF and playing Schafer in center the rest of the way. Fredi would do it. He’s that awful. Bigger problem is, Wren wouldn’t say anything. And that’s the scariest thing of all.”
That’s what of most afraid of. Their lips are so securely attached to Schafer’s azz, I can easily picture them continuing to start that scrub over Heyward.
If they get Beltran, he better be taking Schafer’s place.
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
July 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
Getting JOse Reyes and Beltran would be my dream
without giving up too much. of course its gonna cost alot, but our lineup would be insane
not gonna happen, i guess i can always dream.
Sheethook
July 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
Freddie Freeman nickname – Big Baby
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
@cabbravesfan…what are you looking at?? Did you just take your best guess each year?
Check your stats man, Beltran played 81 games in 2009…and 64 in 2010.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/3971/carlos-beltran
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Blankster- Pence isn’t even that good. Have you watched him play? I really believe you are underestimating how good of a hitter he is and will continue to be.
How can I underestimate it? I know his stats. His sb% is awful (i.e. he costs u runs on the basepaths)
His career line is: .291 .339 .481
So his career ops is .821. And you want to give up 2/3 hot prospects and $20m for 2 years of this guy? Worst trade ever that would be. Wren obviously isnt considering it because he knows how stupuid it would be….luckily
Don't Trade Young Pitching
July 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
N-E-V-E-R…NEVER! The aim is to stay in contention, not to become the Mets. Pitching IS the difference. Never.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
ChicagoBrave-
Dude. Maybe you shouldn’t just into the middle of a conversation without checking to see who we were actually talking about. We were discussing Chipper. (and I’m still not a man)
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
Getting JOse Reyes and Beltran would be my dream
No Manny Acosta?
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
HOT NEW RUMOR FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fregosi will not only be scouting Beltran tonight but hopes to get a look at Isringhausen and Parnell this weekend as well, this deal might get big and be all that we do!!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
No Manny Acosta?
VJ would be thrilled! Manny is his favorite player! He loves him as much as Robert loves Bobby Cox!
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
How can I underestimate it? I know his stats. His sb% is awful (i.e. he costs u runs on the basepaths)
His career line is: .291 .339 .481
So his career ops is .821. And you want to give up 2/3 hot prospects and $20m for 2 years of this guy? Worst trade ever that would be. Wren obviously isnt considering it because he knows how stupuid it would be….luckily
I just responded to your comment that he’s not that good. Nothing about a trade
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
You’re right, apologies.
—Couldn’t agree more with Don’t Trade Young Pitching.
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
I attended the AAA game yesterday where Minor “gave up” 6 runs. The scouts won’t have a problem with that game, as they were all 6 in one inning. There were 2 errors in the inning and some bloop hits. Nothing that would change their mind. In fact, Minor kept his head up and got through it pretty well so they will probably be pretty happy.
Also, I don’t care if Beltran used to play CF. I don’t think he’ll be viewed as a CF by the Braves. I just can’t make that logical leap when he’s not playing there for the Mets at all this year.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
Manny acosta. I could have a .400 OBP vs that guy. Just stand there and he will miss 4 out of 6.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
Pence is not worth $25M over 2 years. Corey Hart, a comparable player, got a 3-year deal for $26M. at a similar point in terms of service time as where Pence will be at the end of this year. And Hart was coming off of a monster power year (30 HR 100 RBI). Pence is not even on pace for 20 HR this year.
twoiron
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
Bob it is chipper’s decision to come back, not Braves
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
ChicagoBrave-
No worries. Lord knows I’ve done that once or twice
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
yup keeping Ramirez,Reyes,Davies,Chen,etc etc sure made a huge difference didn’t it ؟
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
How can I underestimate it? I know his stats. His sb% is awful (i.e. he costs u runs on the basepaths)
His career line is: .291 .339 .481
So his career ops is .821. And you want to give up 2/3 hot prospects and $20m for 2 years of this guy? Worst trade ever that would be. Wren obviously isnt considering it because he knows how stupuid it would be….luckily
I just responded to your comment that he’s not that good. Nothing about a trade
Its all relative then. He isnt even close to worth what he is due to be paid. And that would ignore the prospects.
Atr least beltran is a legit superstar. Althouh I dont want him either
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
No, Freemans nickname is Freeto not Big Baby.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
Fun time of the year.
Go Braves!
Again, Marteen no head first slides into home this weekend!!!!!!!!
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm
nolie, I didn’t even look up Beltran’s splits , truthfully. So, he probably OBPs about a gazillion against lefties.
The few times I’ve seen him this year against LHP, he’s looked kinda weak. I got some confirmation bias runnin’ here, LOL.
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm
I’d trade Minor for Beltran. I’d also pursue Marlon Byrd, who might be plucked from Chicago for less in return.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm
nolie, I didn’t even look up Beltran’s splits , truthfully. So, he probably OBPs about a gazillion against lefties. The few times I’ve seen him this year against LHP, he’s looked kinda weak. I got some confirmation bias runnin’ here, LOL.
Is that you Fredi?
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm
Angel Pagan might actually make more sense for the Braves than Beltran.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm
he has pretty good career numbers against lefties, but this year not so much. though the S% part is still good the OBP is 291…which is still 30 points better than Gonzo this season
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm
I still don’t get what the Braves front office sees in Schafer.
michael
July 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm
i would trade minor for beltran. Unlikely, but who knows maybe they win a world title with him and able to re-sign him.
who wouldnt trade minor for a world title? or Delgado for a world title? yeah its just one but one more than we’ve had in the last 15yrs. If you trade one pitcher or the other, you still have terehan, jurrjens, hanson, either minor/delgado, beachy, vizcaino. You have tons of pitching! Betran right now is a 100 times better than schaffer and heyward and a million times better than mcclouth. Go ahead and do it..scoring more gives venters,o’flahtery and kimbrel rest.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm
On another note – is anyone else starting to get annoyed with Fredi. He is hitting Gonzo 6th again. I mean what the hell?!?!?
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
July 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
Whoop,
My guess is that Beltran would not be replacing Schafer in center at all. He’d be sharing time with Heyward in RF, as well as providing insurance against a late season injury to Chipper, Prado, or Uggla. I think the brass feels like Schafer’s defense is important, and I agree. If we acquire Beltran, he won’t be playing every day, barring injury. Considering Beltran’s injury history, this might work out for all concerned.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
@ Blankster
I think Conrad is hitting 6th tonight
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
not sure how a Pagan rental would be better than a Beltran rental??
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
Is that you Fredi?
Nah. I would have looked up the splits, if I were really interested. Big diff.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
BELTRAN IS NOT INJURY PRONE GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
yup keeping Ramirez,Reyes,Davies,Chen,etc etc sure made a huge difference didn’t it
Oh come on Nolie. None of those guys ever had the pedigree that Minor has now.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
ken-
Nope. Lineup:
1. Prado 3B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. McCann C, 4. Freeman 1B, 5. Hinske LF, 6. Gonzalez SS, 7. Conrad 2B 8 McLouth CF 9 Jurrjens P
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm
who wouldnt trade minor for a world title? or Delgado for a world title? yeah its just one but one more than we’ve had in the last 15yrs.
except of course you are not trading for a title but just better odds at it, which is a long way from any guarantee
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm
WOW…I bet Gonzo getting 2 hits yesterday and he probably hits Arroyo will be his reason
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
Braves with at least 100 AB by OPS:
1, Bmac .890
2. Freddie .823
3. Old man .768
4. Marteen .750
5. Fat Eric .748
6. Hurtward .732
7. Nate .687
8. Bicep man .645
9, Tatooed boy .616 (but 15 sb)
10, Sea bass .597
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
not sure how a Pagan rental would be better than a Beltran rental??
He plays CF and is under control for another year. And if you don’t pick up Nate’s option (no brainer) he would probabaly fit right in financially.
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
The big question is if we get Beltran where would he play.Could he play at LF and keep Heyward at RF.Or he can only play at RF and that all
o *ell ya
July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
Why all the bitching about what Pence would make from arb….Are you saying from now on anyone making over 10 million Braves are not going to sign..The price of players go up every year…if you going to play you must pay the piper. Cheap is cheap..when Chip & Lowe is gone that will free up 30 million plus Nates 7 million.
How much out of that money comes out of your pocket..unless you go to the games.
Beltran will only cost one player that may not ever do a damn thing..this is not a Wainwright deal..we are not give 4 or 5 players for one rental..Beltran can play and help. Do I like the short term? No but it gives us a chance to WIN!
If you never take a chance you will never have a damn thing. Do I wish for Pence, Bourn,Upton, Reed Johnson, M Byrd, L Cain,Jones and Adams..Yes but you take the best deal..Wrens got a tough job…give the man some credit. Fredi I don’t like to much right now. He says to many stupid things. Go Braves.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:43 pm
@bravesfaninnc
He will play CF mostly
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
you are kidding right Glen?
Granted that there was some facetiousness in my post, but Chen was the #4 prospect in all baseball the year b4 he came up and Minor will never be in that league. Reyes had monster minor league numbers, much better than Minor’s.
Josh
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
I’m amazed at the people that don’t want Beltran..we can’t have a 10 man starting rotation
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
@Glen W
We will want Schaffer to play CF next season, so we dont want a player who has another year on the contract
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
Ken what about trading Lowe to Tigers has this die off ? Or what is going on. Thanks
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:45 pm
Ruben Tejada would be another interesting Mets player if they had Reyes locked up to a long term deal.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
6:45 pm
Only thing that would worry me with Beltran is if he’d be able to stay healthy playing CF.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:45 pm
.Are you saying from now on anyone making over 10 million Braves are not going to sign..
No. The point is, at least from my understanding, is that many people (and I happen to be one of them) are not sure Pence is worth $10 million or more a year. Yes, he is having a great year, but he’s also been inconsistent. There are players that are worth that type of money. Just not sure Pence is in that category.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Probably dead because of the last few outings by the kid Beachy, Holding Lowe for the penant drive seems more like the thing to do
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
My guess is that Beltran would not be replacing Schafer in center at all.
That would be an egregious misuse of resources. They sue doctors for that kind of misfeasance.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
.we can’t have a 10 man starting rotation
Well, we could… might leave us a bit shallow in the pen. and on the bench…
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Granted that there was some facetiousness in my post, but Chen was the #4 prospect in all baseball the year b4 he came up and Minor will never be in that league. Reyes had monster minor league numbers, much better than Minor’s.
Chen was really #4 overall? If so, I was wrong on that one. But then you should not have put his name along side of JoJo Reyes.
Trey
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Hm, I think Beltran would be a nice fit out there. He would increase their chances to succeed in the playoffs. I’d see nothing wrong with trading Minor for Beltran. The Braves have a plethora of pitchers in the farm system, already.
However, is it risky if Beltran doesn’t succeed with the Braves if the Braves get him, but it is baseball and a baseball is pretty much a game of trading cards to build your deck better to succeed in the long haul.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
@Tomas
Look at it like this Beltran plays CF 2 days, RF a Day, LF 2 Days and off 2 Days. Dan and Chipper will get rest down the stretch
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
Added in Beltran for comparison
Braves with at least 100 AB by OPS:
(Beltran .911)
1, Bmac .890
2. Freddie .823
3. Old man .768
4. Marteen .750
5. Fat Eric .748
6. Hurtward .732
7. Nate .687
8. Bicep man .645
9, Tatooed boy .616 (but 15 sb)
10, Sea bass .597
reckingball
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
Minor for Beltran, I hope not.
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
This team is 17 games above .500, with a healthy lead in the wild card race. Given the injury woes this team has had to go through, as well as some players underperforming offensively, I think it’s though to get annoyed with Fredi.
Only major gripe is walking Wigginton to get to CarGo a couple nights ago. Still scratching my head about that…but I’m not, nor will ever coach baseball at any level, so who am I to judge his decisions.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:48 pm
Dan and Chipper will get rest down the stretch
ken-
How does Dan get a rest? marteen is not going to play 2nd base. Braves have said that repeatedly
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:48 pm
@reckingball
I figured you wouldnt like it but it looks like a 80% thing
Sheethook
July 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
How about Lynchburgs Joe TERDoslavich for Jason Bay ?
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
yeah Chen was #4. I thought he would be a decent pitcher in the bigs ( a three maybe even a 2), but just never happened.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
Schafer doesn’t deserve to start over Heyward or Beltran
michael
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
noleeee
i didnt say it was a guarantee but i assume we’re getting in the playoffs via winning east or wild card. i think beltran can help more in the playoffs than minor or any other pitcher the braves may consider trading.. but i’ll rephrase. Id trade minor to INcrease my odds at winning a world title.
and nothing changes the fact that beltran is better than any outfielder the braves have right now (other than prado who’s at 3B)
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
David Nied was supposed to be great, too.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
@cabravesfan
You are correct I had two thoughts that went together but the plan is for Brooksie to spell Dan a game a week, Prado to spell chipper a couple of games and Heyward would get a day off a week as well.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
If the Braves get Beltran, Schafer needs to be on the bench where he belongs. (or more like in AAA)
tj
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
If getting Beltran will put Schafer on the bench..do it now.
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
My big concern about this is that if we do get Beltran and Schafer is sent down then we are taking speed away from this lineup.Which is baseball you must have a very fast guy in the lineup if you want to win
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm
How does Dan get a rest? marteen is not going to play 2nd base. Braves have said that repeatedly
guess those Braves haven’t checked with ken’s sources.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm
Freeman needs a day here and there as well so watch for Martin to play a little there maybe as well depending on pitcher
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm
Why trade for Beltran if he is not being put in CF ? Prado in LF & JHey in RF … McClouth be 4th outfielder because of salary…. Schafer may go down to AAA until Sept 1.
or McClouth might be in the trade with Minor as salary offset..
Nolie you forgot chuck & duck on your list..
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
@ncscoots
tj
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
Boy Ken you are smart
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
I’d rather see him in AAA getting daily reps and hopefully building confidence Whoop
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
ken-
I don’t think a)Dan will want or need that time off- he hates to sit or b)Connie would be playing that much unless there was an injury situation like last year when Chipper & Marteen both went down (and I am a fan of Conrad’s and always have been)
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
“Hm, I think Beltran would be a nice fit out there. He would increase their chances to succeed in the playoffs.”
Agreed. Beats the hell out of the usual trade deadline acqusitions we’ve grown accustomed to lately.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
not really but I have good ears… :0
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
6:53 pm
I know the Reds won’t do it, but Drew Stubbs is an interesting piece. He kills lefties but struggles mightily making contact vs righties. A platoon with him and Schafer at the leadoff spot would be pretty good.
But no way the Reds trade him, and he has much more potential than to be just a platoon player
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
yeah I did Wayne. just grabbed the first ones who popped to mind. I’m sure there are a dozen or more that I missed
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
@cabravesfan
Fredi has the same style as his mentor(Bobby) get those pinch hitters a game here and there to keep them fresh…and as far as Dan…HE WANTS TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!!
jch
July 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
Frankie Wren – “Again, Marteen no head first slides into home this weekend!!!!!!!!”
Unless, of course, you need to…
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:55 pm
Well folks going to sit back and enjoy the game!!!
GO BRAVES!!!!
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
July 22nd, 2011
6:55 pm
If getting Beltran mean’s he’s our everyday CF, then the I say pass on it. Pitching and defense. Pitching and defense.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm
you said “trade for a world title” I don’t know you well enough to know how you meant that. wasn’t insulting you
tj
July 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm
Go ahead and get Beltran and also go get a good middle relief pitcher…Now is the time to go all out to win it this year.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm
what else would he be EMWTK ?
Lollygagger
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
haha Buckle up, folks… John Heyman (SI) reporting Braves not likely to give up Minor in Beltran deal.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/status/94539465711812608
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
For 2 months Heyward could move to CF. When Beltran leaves he’ll move back to RF, and Schafer takes over CF
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
yup I’d like to see another reliever
michael
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
Don green….
OF-Colby Rasmus
2. RP-P.J. Walters
for
1. SP-Mike Minor
2. OF-Nate McLouth
3. 3B-Brandon Hicks
4. SS-Diory Hernandez
5. OF-Matt Young
ha you just traded 5 crappy players (minor may be okay) for one above average jordan schaffer in colby rasmus… the cardinals GM might be a martard if he did something like that.
CB
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
nolie,Chen is pretty much a 2 or 3 pitcher in KC.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
Bing!
Soldier—–
(Waving Arm!) “Get Out The WAYYYYY!!!! (Boom!) Pretty Boy Coming Through! Me And My Crew! We Swaggin In The Room!
Whats Up All?
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
well that would mean less excitement Lolly, but I can live with it
njbraves
July 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
Beltran isn’t injury prone and he’s better than Pagan. Dear God, it’s all about ” team control” for some of you. Minor isn’t all that good folks and he’s expendable at this point. Make the trade and make the 2011 Braves a better team. Why is any of this hard to comprehend?? And those saying Beltran wouldn’t play every day are lost. Of course he would, this isn’t the bench guy you’re looking for.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
“Hm, I think Beltran would be a nice fit out there. He would increase their chances to succeed in the playoffs.”
“Agreed. Beats the hell out of the usual trade deadline acqusitions we’ve grown accustomed to lately.”
Co-Sign! But Beltrans Defense is Suspect And I’m not one who likes to rely on the Longball in Choptober. Thats why I like M. Bourne More, plus Bourne would be a cheaper option it seems
Dawg 46
July 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
We know the history of Beltran , good outfielder has power to all fields and can really protect the lineup because of his switch hitting , and with minor we know he can be a major league picther yes but will his shoudler hold up . So I think the right move is to get Beltran ..
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm
Tomas, they have repeatedly said that they will not plat Heyward in center other than in an emergency. At some point you have to start believing some of what they say.
jch
July 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm
njbrave – amen
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm
I don’t know why you think Minor isn’t all that good. What are you basing that on? And what makes him expendable? What would we do if JJ or Tommy went down? or if Beachy started struggling?
BFChris26
July 22nd, 2011
7:02 pm
They need to make the move if the bounty is just Minor. Makes too much sense not to.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:02 pm
bring up Teheran or Delgado?
Trade Vizcaino
July 22nd, 2011
7:03 pm
I’d rather see them trade Vizcaino for Beltran. Minor is a good LEFTY prospect something not a lot of teams have. We have plenty of righty’s.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
Viz has way more upside than Minor who is a high-floor low-ceiling prospect by almost unanimous unbiased analysis
STOP OVER THINKING..ITS CARLOS BELTRAN FOR MIKE MINOR..DO IT
July 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
Would you rather keep watching Minor in Gwinnett or watch Beltran turn this team into a World Series favorite? QUIT OVER THINKING IT! ITS NOT LIKE WERE TALKING ABOUT TEHERAN HERE PEOPLE!
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
bring up Teheran or Delgado?
I view them as being ready to help in the pen but not in the rotation.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:06 pm
Good chance we are obsessing about Beltran and it won’t happen anyway. we do that a lot here. and yes I am including myself
trheel
July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
Minor for Beltran for 2+ months without the possibility of draft compensation would be rolling the dice. I would think that the Braves need another piece. If Wren were going to make a deal centered around Beltran then he should throw-in a lower tier fringe prospect at A+/A- while adding Bobby Parnell to the deal from the Mets. Ship out Proctor. Parnell is nothing special but he could have value in future years.
Good pitching is important in the postseason, but we all know if you can’t score, which happened all too often in the 90s and earlier this decade, the Braves will not advance.
Tough call for Wren. Time to see whether he has what it takes to make a move for a hitter that is better than a marginal starter like Ankiel or Jonny Gomes.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
SCOOTS, you still around?
Truth
July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
Minor isn’t that good, just watch him pitch, you’ll see that. Just another overblown Braves prospect, like Schafer
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:08 pm
Not getting the compensation pick is a big deal.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
I think the only thing keeping this deal from being done is that the Braves are wanting a reliever to go along with Beltran. I think the balls in our court.
Holy Cow
July 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
IT DON’T MATTER WHAT WE WANT…ITS WRENS CALL!
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
Thank God we have njbraves to give us “expert” opinion. “Minor isn’t all that good folks”– Wow, well said. You make a very convincing argument. Totally changed my mind. This isn’t fantasy baseball you clown. No talented young pitcher is expendable…any one of these pitchers could go down at any moment, and I know I’d feel alot better about plugging Minor in right away rather than expecting Teheran, Delgado, or Vizcaino to come in right away and be consistently effective.
And while Beltran may not be injury prone, he’s a 34 yr old OF with a bum knee who doesn’t run that well anymore, and has missed significant time in the recent past. No disrespect to Chipper, but the Braves don’t need another player like that, ESPECIALLY in CF. Schafer doesn’t do much at the plate, but like Gonzo, his defense has saved quite a few runs. Defense and Pitching win championships.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm
I like to think we will conintue arroyo’s bad run this game. Go braves!
Holy Cow
July 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm
Agree truth!!!!!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
Thank God we have njbraves to give us “expert” opinion. “Minor isn’t all that good folks”– Wow, well said. You make a very convincing argument. Totally changed my mind. This isn’t fantasy baseball you clown. No talented young pitcher is expendable…any one of these pitchers could go down at any moment, and I know I’d feel alot better about plugging Minor in right away rather than expecting Teheran, Delgado, or Vizcaino to come in right away and be consistently effective.
And while Beltran may not be injury prone, he’s a 34 yr old OF with a bum knee who doesn’t run that well anymore, and has missed significant time in the recent past. No disrespect to Chipper, but the Braves don’t need another player like that, ESPECIALLY in CF. Schafer doesn’t do much at the plate, but like Gonzo, his defense has saved quite a few runs. Defense and Pitching win championships.
Or more importantly – people on the injury table dont win championships.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
Not crazy about Prado’s new stance. Looks like he’s cutting himself off a bit.
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
bring up Teheran or Delgado?
I gotta say that I’m not a fan of that idea. Geez, they’re already carrying Pampers down there in the My Little Pony backpack, not sure I’d like pennant-stretch innings dedicated to some even less experienced guys.
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
@Truth
You know more than professional scouts or coaches? Unless you have numbers to back up those claims, please stop polluting this blog with your mouth garbage.
Thank you.
gclcpa
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Wow Stop Over Thinking – I think you’re “over thinking” Beltran’s impact. Most likely he’d finish the season on the DL. I wish we would learn to stop giving up our prospects for extremely short-term rental players. If you’re going to do it, at least get a player with more impact than someone who ends up on the DL rolling out of bed in the morning.
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Wow that ken guy was like one of those magic 8 balls you shake up and a new message comes up each time.
Wow…my head’s spinning.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Those were Nasty Stats about our OF Production the last 3 years!
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
This just it:
Heyward cant hit.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Odd: #Braves have second-worst ERA in majors since All-Star break: 5.55. Small-sample-size fluke or sign of coming fatigue for young staff?
Wow!
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
in*
I Gave Her Undertaker eyes
July 22nd, 2011
7:13 pm
super quick inning
Moondog
July 22nd, 2011
7:13 pm
For 2008-2010, Beltran had a monster 1.013 OPS against lefties, with a .615 slugging and .398 OBP.
It should be said that 2011 numbers are not as good, .838/.547/.291.
Still, .838 is nothing to sneeze at.
In Atlanta’s lineup would he see more good pitches to hit?
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:13 pm
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Odd: #Braves have second-worst ERA in majors since All-Star break: 5.55. Small-sample-size fluke or sign of coming fatigue for young staff?
Wow!
Or a sign they were at coors field for 4 games
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
7:14 pm
Glen my bet is if a starter went down Teheran will be called up to fill it …
There is the AAAA league that exists between AAA ball & MLB . Alot of player fit the 4A league ..We have alot of pitching prospects but none are of proven MLB quality & might just be 4A talent.. the ones Nolie listed earlier fit the 4A talent list …IMO
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:14 pm
Nolee but with all this Beltran talk, if it’s for real they have to consider moving Heyward to CF a possibility. Or maybe that’s the hold up, and Jim Fergusi is watching Beltran to see if he is moving well enough to play CF
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:15 pm
Beltran just walked in the 1st bringing up David Wrong with 2 on and 1 out.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:15 pm
From the great Seth Meyers, on the Dodgers’ plight:
“The Dodgers are so broke, three of their players tested positive for Ramen noodles
Tony Austin
July 22nd, 2011
7:15 pm
Well that didn’t take long.
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:15 pm
4 days in Coors will cause your team’s ERA to take a hit.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:15 pm
I still would Rather Have Bourne Than Blowtran. Given that Blowtran would be a 2 month rental who doesn’t run like he did in his PED days.
Schafer can’t be trusted leading off in Choptober. I’m Lusting for Bourne
Schafer has too many stretches where he goes 1-12 in 3 games and then 3-4 in the fourth game
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm
FYI posted this last night….
ESPN ran something that said JJ is 5-0 when he throws FASTBALLS 60 PERCENT OF THE TIME.
So stay tuned.
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm
The Bottom line is we need someone who can hit. Switch Hitter is huge but this doesn’t take care of our lack of speed or getting a leadoff hitter. however, Heyward is horrible and probably needs to go back down to the minors. (as I write this Heyward looks awful in his 1st at bat). We can keep thinking Heyward will get better (this year) but I just don’t see it. He looks so overmatched with major league hitting. Having Beltran would allow you the option to Bench Heyward. I like this deal. If the Braves developed hitters like they do pithers we could fill the need within but we don’t.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm
I don’t think so Tomas, not regularly anyway.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:17 pm
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm
FYI posted this last night….
ESPN ran something that said JJ is 5-0 when he throws FASTBALLS 60 PERCENT OF THE TIME.
So stay tuned.
Also interesting the braves are 58-0 when they score more runs than the opposition.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:18 pm
I don’t want Hunter Pence either. He Has Nate McClouth Part 2 written all over him hitting at Turner Field
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:18 pm
Ouch!
Thats what happens when you fall behind
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:18 pm
Bye, bye ball.
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:18 pm
gonna be a long game….JJ can’t get the ball down….just like his last start.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
Here we effing go again!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
Sopheeee!
Fredi's Single Digit IQ
July 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
Uh oh. Don’t make us worry, Jair.
Trade Vizcaino
July 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
The Braves pitching staff really needs to figure out how not to give up runs in the first inning.
Heath
July 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
I think Beltran would be a guy that, barring injury, would come to Atlanta and actually perform well for the Braves. That said, I just don’t like the idea of trading a potential big league starter for a guy that will only be on the club for half of a season. I know it would cost more, but I would rather see us pay more for a younger guy (Pence) so that we don’t have to worry about Minor becoming a good pitcher and so we have a chance to evaluate the incoming talent and so we have more time to try to re-sign the guy.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
JJ leaving a lot of pitches up
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
Our pitching is a shambles recently.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:19 pm
I trust the offense this series to continue scoring runs. They are playing in a Bandbox and Its Hot As Balls Outside which means the ball will carry
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
BALLGAME!!!
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
cabalicious!
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
WTF is wrong with the Braves Starting Pitching in the 1st few innings lately??????
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
Okay rooting for the bats to wake up! these scrubs better not act like it’s a walk in the park here and swing away swing away swing!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
Hi!
rob from sc
July 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm
JJ not as good as 1st half stats
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm
Hunter Pence has Nate Mclouth Part 2 written all over him hitting at Turner Field. No, that’s reserved for Michael Bourn
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm
Better keep Minor, looks like our current rotation is going to pot.
LWB
July 22nd, 2011
7:22 pm
JJ is soft tossing out there. I havent seen one ball top 88mph yet. That’s not good.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:22 pm
JJJ isn’t finishing on the delivery!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:22 pm
I had hoped the bats had learnt from last game to work the counts and drive up pitch counts. But judging fromt he first inning that doesnt seem to be the case.
Arroyo's Leg Kick
July 22nd, 2011
7:22 pm
Hi-yah!!!
gclcpa
July 22nd, 2011
7:23 pm
Ralph, I’m a thinkin so.
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:23 pm
Hola. Better get started on that bunker, cuckoo should be out in full-force soon enough.
lexbrave
July 22nd, 2011
7:23 pm
somebody wanna tell jj that it’s ok to walk the hottest hitter on the opposing team. you don’t have to throw him a 3-1 tee ball down the middle of the plate.
Sea Bass
July 22nd, 2011
7:23 pm
Dont worry braves fans. I will do something good this half inning. Do you believe me?
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:24 pm
F5F
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:24 pm
Fabulous Freddie Freeman
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
7:24 pm
Later think I will go fishing …
I will try to Trade a worm for a brim …
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:24 pm
Sopheee-
Just putting the finishing touches on the beach bar and Petey’s Palace in the Park and it should be ready
Sea Bass
July 22nd, 2011
7:24 pm
Here I come. 2 on. What shall i do? Pop out, stikeout of GIDP?
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:24 pm
LWB, it’s been like that from day 1
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm
Hinske for the Heineken award tonite.
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm
I’ve been high on Heyward all year despite his struggles but if he doesn’t make some FREAKING ADJUSTMENTS as far as his approach to hitting balls that are pitched inside to him then he will never be the superstar we all expected. I think he will make adjustments but I am amazed its taking him this long to be honest. His approach has looked similar all year and thats a problem bc MLB pitchers made adjustments to get him out and now he has to make adjustments to get back to where he once was and farrrr beyond that…
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm
Oh shist Sea Turtle! YIKES
BFChris26
July 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm
Freeman and Hinske
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm
Oh Boy Gonzo up?
Predict the Outcome?
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm
Alex Gonzalez dp here typical
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm
wow…listening to the Red announcers talk about how easy it is to get Gonzo out..
Sea Bass
July 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm
Well I am going to do something terrible so you guys need to tell me what to do?!?!
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
And they were right…..he is a waste of space..
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
You lied, Sea Bass.
Sea Bass
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
Enter your comments hereI went for option 3 – Ground into a double play.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
For god sake
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
Gonzo Has to be the Worst Rally Killer I have seen in YEARS!!!!
GRRRRRRRRRR
TB Bravefan
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
Old alex at it again.
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
AGON last 31 games avg is .135 = EPIC FAILLLLL.. I am sick and tired about hearing how great his glove is, .135 people thats as close to an automatic out as you’re going to get for an everyday player.. Can we trade for a SS please?!?!?!?! Huge mistake trading Escobar for this old piece of sh*t…
KnightInATL
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
Thanks Alex…now go grab some pine.
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
Yunel .301
Sea Bass
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
I said I would GIDP, strike out or pop up.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
Come On Connie!!!
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
AG’s expression always has a mix of anger and surprise at the results of his ABs
Tony Austin
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
This isn’t exactly a feared lineup, is it?
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
Can we call Pastornicky up from Gwinnett now? How about playing Brandon Hicks at SS instead.
Carroll Rogers
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
six-game hitting streak for Freeman…
Bravefaninok
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
If Beltran goes to the phillies what does that do to the Braves?it seems to me that it would be worth Minor just to keep him from going to phillie.
Uggla's arm
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
DO NOT TRADE MINOR for 70 games FOR A RENTAL PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with that being said, the braves are dumb enough to do it. can’t wait to face Minor for the next decade. we obviously have enough left-handed pitchers ready to start, right? NO TO BELTRAN
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:29 pm
BravesFAN
“AGON last 31 games avg is .135 = EPIC FAILLLLL.. I am sick and tired about hearing how great his glove is, .135 ”
Thats why I’m starting to call him Rafael Belliard!
stinky
July 22nd, 2011
7:29 pm
alex gonzalez is a .224 hitter. why wasn’t he bunting with two on and nobody out?
Fredi's Single Digit IQ
July 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
Fail.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
Yo frank Wren Infante is available, get that piece of SH.T out of te dugout damn you Gonzo!
I Gave Her Undertaker eyes
July 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
horribe
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
We can Thank Rafael Belliard for the crappy outcome of that Inning. He is gonna make me throw stuff at the TV watching him kill our rallies in October
Sea Bass
July 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
stinky
July 22nd, 2011
7:29 pm
alex gonzalez is a .224 hitter. why wasn’t he bunting with two on and nobody out?
How dare you!?!?!? Everyone knows I am better than my stats indicate. Ask Fredi
Discard Proctor
July 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm
I agree, he should have bunted the runners over.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm
Gonzo’s New Nickname is Rafael Belliard for those who didn’t know
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm
And already Sea Bass hitting 6th has hurt us. Thanks Fredi you giant idiot.
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm
AG’s expression always has a mix of anger and surprise at the results of his ABs
Isn’t that what people want Heyward and Chipper to do?
njbraves
July 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm
Chicago Brave… I’m a clown because I don’t think minor is all that good? Really?? Most of baseball thought the Braves reached when they drafted him 7th overall and his numbers at the ML level aren’t impressive, but since you think they need to keep him, I guess that’s all that matters. Get a clue dummy, the Braves have plenty of arms ready to step in whenever needed. Minor is expendable and Beltran would be a great addition. If you’re too dumb to see that, not my problem.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm
Rilo he played with the Reds so I bet they know. Why is he hitting 6th, I prefer Conrad and Mclouth
jch
July 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
So, how many times do you think Snitker was called “Stinker” growing up?
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
Arroyo can’t get the ball down and strikes out Conrad. JJ can’t get the ball down and ends up as a HR. By young player with little talent.
hang on to Minor and we’ll be watching the WS on TV again.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
Fredi used up all his allotted bunts early in the season when he was doing it all the time ؟
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
Stinky-I was wondering the same thing!!! The only way I’d take Beltran was if he could play SS.
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
Did Mario Mendoza ever hit 6th?
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm
So would y’all rather have Conrad batting 6th? Or Nate? Because those are your only other options…
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm
Stinky- the reason he wasn’t bunting like most smart managers would have had him do is the same reason we INT WALKED Ty Wiggington to get to Carlos Gonzalez…We have an idiot for a manager..
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm
Mike Minor, and Alex Gonzalez for Asdubral Cabrera
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
So would y’all rather have Conrad batting 6th? Or Nate? Because those are your only other options,,,cab
yes & yes
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
Alex Gonzalez angers me almost as much as the Braves failure to score in the second inning frustrates me.
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
Ummmm…Rafael Belliard actually got a clutch hit every now and again
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
There are 73 players qualified in the NL. 73 out of 73 is Sea Bass in terms of OBP. Thus, Sea Bass is the most regular out in the NL. 72 out of 73 is Uggla too.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
Thats why I’m starting to call him Rafael Belliard!
We can Thank Rafael Belliard for the crappy outcome of that Inning.
Gonzo’s New Nickname is Rafael Belliard for those who didn’t know
I think we’ve got it, T
Uggla's arm
July 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
what kills me about Gonzo is he doesn’t even hustle when running to first. what a moron.
AlabamaBrave
July 22nd, 2011
7:35 pm
Is Andres Thomas still capable of playing SS? How about Raphael Ramirez?
njbraves
July 22nd, 2011
7:35 pm
Chicago Brave…. And another thing you idiot, Beltran hasn’t missed any time recently, other than a few games due to illness.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:35 pm
So would y’all rather have Conrad batting 6th? Or Nate? Because those are your only other options…
Either
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:35 pm
Did Mario Mendoza ever hit 6th?
Yes. He actually hit in every spot in the lineup, including 4th and 9th, at some point in his career
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:36 pm
Fredi used up all his allotted bunts early in the season when he was doing it all the time ؟
What on earth is ؟
ClayB25
July 22nd, 2011
7:36 pm
Anyone remember when Jurjjens used to bring it up to 92-94 mph. I don’t think he needs that to be effective as he’s proven through the first half of this year. Watching this game against Cincinnati, it looks like he’s in slow motion… he’s barely touching 88..is he becoming a better pitcher out of necessicity b/c he doesn’t have that velocity anymore or is he choosing not to push his arm?
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:36 pm
That is a total insult to Rafael Belliard, who actually had some great games for the Bravos.
eastbound and down
July 22nd, 2011
7:36 pm
i don’t understand why Alex the Rally killer is batting 6th. he should be batting 9th, behind the pitcher! every pitcher throws him outside and he tries to pull everything. what an incredible loser
TB Bravefan
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
Let’s see what they do with there rally.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
Yes, I’d much rather have McLouth or Conrad batting 6th
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
…Rafael Belliard actually got a clutch hit every now and again Rilo
we must be remembering two different Belliards if you think he was more productive than Gonzales.
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
Horrible….
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
Well, looks like JJ doesn’t have much right now.
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
Nothing coming easy for Jurrjens right now.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
That SB was on Double J
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
If one of you’re main reasons for the Braves to not trade Minor is because he’s a lefty then #gokillyourself#..We have one of if not the best rotations in the MLB right now and how many lefty starting pitchers do we have right now??? Oh 0 that’s righttt. Not to mention the Braves just drafted Sean Gilmartin with their 1st round pick this year a LEFTY out of Florida St who like Minor has a very refined skill set and the Braves fully expect him to shoot up through their system in no time much like Minor did.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
That was stolen off JJ…perfect throw. (Even the Reds guys are praising it)
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:38 pm
؟ is an old fashioned sarcasm/irony indicator
Sea Bass
July 22nd, 2011
7:38 pm
I am going to make it up to you all in the 4th inning. Have faith in me braves fans!
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
7:38 pm
JJ looks like he’s really struggling right now…
mpimentel
July 22nd, 2011
7:38 pm
we don´t need beltran and his 2 month of rental…lets forget about been good for a couple of month….we are in the process to create a dinasty for years to come: j,j,, hanson, beachy, medlen, vizcaino, thjeran, delgado, minor…freeman, jheyw, prado, mac, ….trade one of the pitching prospect for a valuable oung talented position player…we don’t want a trade like the dodgers made in early 90’s (pedro martinez for delino deshields) do you remember it…or a adam ww for j.d. drew…IF WE HAVE TO DO IT…MAKE IT WORTH…find a young talented one…please
CJ
July 22nd, 2011
7:39 pm
about beltran. braves being a national league team and how he might like atlanta. i wouldnt be so sure beltran would be a 2 month rental. if lowe gets traded in the offseason, than that will open some money up…
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:40 pm
Good grief Mike Minor is subpar, stop acting like the lil worm is Cy freakin Young!
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:40 pm
keeps getting better
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:40 pm
CJ-
How big of a pay cut do you think Beltran would be willing to take? Especially after a season like the one he’s currently having? Because there’s no way the Braves resign him at his current-or-above price
TB Bravefan
July 22nd, 2011
7:40 pm
Rack um up reds.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm
BALLGAME!!!!
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm
Oh, is that a stolen base, too?
(ITS)
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm
Well so much for not advancing the runner because of a strikeout.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm
CJ
July 22nd, 2011
7:39 pm
about beltran. braves being a national league team and how he might like atlanta. i wouldnt be so sure beltran would be a 2 month rental. if lowe gets traded in the offseason, than that will open some money up…
This would be even worse. I dont want him long term because he is a broken man with bad knees. Sound familar?
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm
I doubt they would re-sign him as a centerfielder; Heyward and Prado?Uggla ain’t going nowhere
jch
July 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm
CJ – no way they re-sign Beltran. It’s a risk as is considering his history with injuries. I’d hate to invest a ton in him for a full (or several) season.
He’s merely a rental; and he’d be a good one if Minors is all we lose.
Jim
July 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm
Gonzo sucks should be batting 9th the pull happy ass worst hitting SS.
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm
“…MAKE IT WORTH…find a young talented one…please”
problem is: the young talented ones are usually those that teams want to build around, not trade.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm
we must be remembering two different Belliards if you think he was more productive than Gonzales.
I think they forgot the ؟, nolie
Army Strong
July 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm
Prado is this club’s 3B for years to come. When Chipper will call it quits I think depends on how well they finish this year. That leaves that corner outfield spot open for free agency or by trade in the next year or two at the most. I think putting Schafer in a role similar to Nate’s right now would still give him sufficient AB’s while still learning and become a more balanced hitter. Teheran, Vizcaino, and Delgado all being RHP’s I think is irrelevant. The Braves have the 2nd lowest starter’s ERA in the league will all RHP’s. If the front office doesn’t feel Mike Minor will pan out as Jo Jo Reyes did not, then make the Beltran deal. Minor could be a carbon copy of Reyes (both have similar styles of a strike out pitch with good fastballs, good changeups, with a below average breaking balls). Both have had great Minor League numbers, but struggled at times with the big club. I trust the scouting directors know better than I do whether or not Minor will be a star or a bust.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm
Prado/Uggla
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm
Oh, LORD, not again…
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm
Wow,This is seriously the Year of the lack of PED’s! I have never seen so many suicide squeeze attempts in one season
Carroll Rogers
July 22nd, 2011
7:43 pm
So Dusty tries to squeeze with two strikes on Cairo…..Didn’t we headscratch when Fredi did that with Hanson a few months back?
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm
Reds guys absolutely trashing that squeeze decision…
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm
Please retire Arroyo and refrain from allowing a basehit to the man.
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm
WOW!!! Fredi just moved down the list for “Most Unbelievable Managerial Move.”
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm
No, squeeze with 2 strikes is not a good call. I’d take my chances with a fly ball or soft grounder to score the run.
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm
Dammit FSS, get it together.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
7:45 pm
Whoa! What’s happening with the feed? Technical difficulties…?
Discard Proctor
July 22nd, 2011
7:45 pm
Strike this bum out!
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm
Pitch count is excessive right now for Jurrjens
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm
JJ on pace for 200 pitches. Yeah!
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm
Hey, maybe we can get philly to go for a Baez for Proctor trade? They just DFAed Baez today; maybe we could pick up some of that garbage.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm
JJJ nice way to go!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm
They basically called it one of the most bizarre decisions they have ever seen.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
If Anyone on here remember 2 other SS the Braves Traded for who were as bad as Gonzo
Jose Hernandez (1999)
Rey Sanchez (2000 or 2001? I’m guessing?)
All three were bad….
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
JJ 45 pitches in 2 innings, not good…
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
Carroll, I stopped headscratching about a month ago when it comes to FG….I’ve moved to hair pulling.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
watch the inept anemic putrid misrable punchless awfense go down 123 AGAIN!
Carroll Rogers
July 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
Tomahawkin, now you’re treading on times when I was the beat writer…..ah good times.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
I have a bad feeling that the Proctologist is going to get an outing tonight
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
Watching JJ not blow away the pitcher reminds me why power arms win playoff games. Can anyone pitch into the 8th. The pen needs help. The hell with Beltran. Get pen help
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
“Whoa! What’s happening with the feed? Technical difficulties…?”
Yeah, really!
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm
Oh boy….another No. 8 hitter!
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm
123 comming
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm
Good old Nate Gaggamuffin at the dish! Worthless!
jch
July 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm
Glad someone else has the feed problem, I was already on hold with Best Buy!!
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
7:50 pm
and yes, I’d rather see Conrad or Mclouth ahead of Gonzo. Gonzo doesn’t make enough contact.
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:50 pm
Why can’t we get the commercials with a bad feed instead of the game. To quote Sheriff Buford T. Justice: “It’s nothing but plain old-fashioned Communism.”
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:50 pm
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm
Good old Nate Gaggamuffin at the dish! Worthless!
Overeaction?
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:50 pm
cmon JJJ simple single here will do
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
7:50 pm
JerseyChoppin
Been there and already experienced the Danyz Baez era. No need to experience it again.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:50 pm
Carroll Rogers
“Tomahawkin, now you’re treading on times when I was the beat writer…..ah good times.”
Damn, That was back when most Braves fans got their 411 about the Braves via TBS not the internet
Discard Proctor
July 22nd, 2011
7:51 pm
This broadcast is becoming unwatchable.
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
7:51 pm
Anytime a pitcher is really struggling he just prays that god will send the braves to town.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:51 pm
see if Prado swings at the first pitch.
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
7:51 pm
Arroyo has been efficient thus far.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:51 pm
Is the FSS broadcast doing that weird echo thing? It was doing it the other day too- we were lucky to have both feeds so we didn’t have to listen to that
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:52 pm
My goodness down 0-2 already
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:52 pm
Dammit FSS, get it together.
For real…they’ve had frequent video problems if I remember correctly. Like when the feed cut out right before the Braves’ scored the tying run a couple weeks ago.
And the heat, Chip? Chip says it’s the heat?
Brad
July 22nd, 2011
7:52 pm
Please don’t trade Minor to the Mets. That would be great for the mets and terrible for us. Why trade a left handed pitcher like Minor for a rent player.
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
7:52 pm
mafia: come on, I’m sure he has some gas left in the tank!!! I mean, a good reclamation project, even! Hah. Yeah. He sucked then, he sucks now.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:52 pm
Sweet Chin Music to Martini
Discard Proctor
July 22nd, 2011
7:53 pm
Chip over-reacting to a pop out again.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:53 pm
123 yup! that’s expected.
P'cola Brave
July 22nd, 2011
7:53 pm
The price it would take to get Beltran would not be worth the rental. We’d be giving top prospects to a division rival. I don’t think that Beltran puts us over the top of any other teams and I’m worried about him remaining healthy over the last two months playing CF nearly full time. I would much rather the Braves pull a trade off with the Padres for Ludwick and one of their relievers (Bell, Adams, Qualls). I know Ludwick isn’t the player that will send us to the WS but I don’t know that the price for Beltran is worth it once you add the fact that its a division rival.
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:53 pm
jeffrey – glad to know I’m not the only one who thought that was a stupider than stupid excuse by Chip.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:53 pm
Jeffrey D!
“And the heat, Chip? Chip says it’s the heat?”
Yeah, I found that amusing!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:53 pm
Prado not got on base enough this year.
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm
Everything is up from Arroyo=all-star pitcher against the Braves
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm
If that was the case then nothing would ever air in Atlanta between June and August
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm
HA! Nate teaching baserunning technique…Hilllllarious!
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:55 pm
Now The audio feed on FSS Sucks!
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:55 pm
I do like this effect though that makes Chip sound like he’s broadcasting from 1930
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:55 pm
I think they switched to the Fox Midwest feed. Haaaa.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
7:55 pm
Love this park…
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:55 pm
I’m just gonna put it on mute and Listen to Boog Powell and Mark Lemke
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
jurrjens is all over the place.
rilo
July 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
yep….figures
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
I’ll be doggone.. another baserunner
Uggla's arm
July 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
i hope all you anti-minor people are watching our starting rotation begin to struggle. one injury to ANY of them and he is needed ASAP.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
JJ all over the place throwing 87
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
I’m just gonna put it on mute and Listen to Boog Powell and Mark Lemke
Jim Powell
Discard Proctor
July 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm
Jair, Hanson, and Beachy all look like different pitchers after the all-star break!
David O'Brien
July 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm
Hey DOB…
What if the Braves trade for Michael Bourn, and then move Schafer to left field. Mclouth can be the fourth outfielder. Then you don’t have to give up on Schafer, and it gives you a ton of speed at the top of the order, and great defense in the field.
What do you think? — Marc
What do I think? I think you forgot about Martin Prado.
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm
is the audio feed echoing on FSS?? It was doing that the other night, I didn’t know if it was the local feed or the extra innings causing it.
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm
JJ is really falling off the mound to the firstbase side. He looks awful .
Innocent Bystander
July 22nd, 2011
7:58 pm
For real though I think it’s sunspots. This happens on occasion.
stinky
July 22nd, 2011
7:58 pm
Caray sounds better with audio distortion.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:58 pm
Pence, Bourn,Beltran, Stubbs, or any other hitter will only fall the way of this bunch when The Braves Philosophy is beaten into them.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:58 pm
Sopheee?
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
7:58 pm
Nicely played, Nate!
NO MORE PARRISH
July 22nd, 2011
7:58 pm
Only two teams in the NL have worse offense stats than the Braves (Padres and Nats).
Why is Parrish still our hitting coach? Why?
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
Nate Gaggamuffin with a play on his horse
Fredi's Single Digit IQ
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
Nice, Nate! Jair, not so much.
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
Yay, McNate.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
Phew!
Nice grab!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
And that is why nate won a gold glove. Great range and poise out there. Shame bout the arm
Dray
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
I find it ridiculous that we’d be willing to give up one of our top prospects for an old, injury prone, rental player, yet we won’t throw in an extra prospect or two for a far younger and more productive player simply because he’ll make $10 million next year (which in all honesty is less than he probably deserves).
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
cab?
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
I would PLUNK Votto. Obviously can’t this AB, but his next one. Crowds the plate obnoxiously.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
Good catch
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
NIce catch, Nate!!!
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:00 pm
Still say trade for a SS, and leave the OF alone. at least them scrubs can play defense
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
8:00 pm
The best part of the Braves lineup is due up, it’s time for some action.
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:00 pm
Man it’s funny to me that JJ’s velocity has taken a dip this year but he has become a better pitcher and his stats back that up…
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
Watching Alex Gonzalez makes me long for the days of the GREAT Luis Gomez.
NO MORE PARRISH
July 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
Now add Giants and Phillies have best two pitching stats in the NL. Bring on that wild card!
We are so dead if no changes made with Parrish and this offense.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
Dray! Mike Minor is not a top rated prospect, in fact he is behind 5 or 6 other guys in the rankings, and way down the list as far as baseball America is concerned
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
JASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
I agree. Chip sounds less annoying with the distorted audio.
Josh
July 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
get some haters!
MIBravesFFFFFan
July 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
Yeah, JHey!!!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Hurtward – getting hot. Cancel that Beltran trade!
BFChris26
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Heyward
Bravo_fan 52
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
J HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYY!!!
Discard Proctor
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Chip sounds like he is broadcasting from the space shuttle Atlantis.
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Pence is some kinda player. Putting up some big numbers and is a career .291 hitter.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Sopheee-
You have mail…I have a new idea for your consideration
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
If the Mets don’t think Beltran can play CF for them, a tema that is not expecting to make the playoffs, how are the Braves expecting him to be able to do it for them?
His bat would be a positive for the lineup, but his defense would take away from the Braves performance.
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
YESSSIIRRRRR JHEY THERE YOU GO!!!!!!!!
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
CUT HIM! TRADE HIM! DFA HIM!
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
That felt good
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Hey look, ChrisfromSacramento’s fave guy.
MIBravesFFFFFan
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
BMAC!!!!!!!
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Another Heyward homer. Another reason not to trade for Beltran
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Well I be Damned
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Back to back jacks!!!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Bam – this is it! Arroyo is a home run machine!
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Braves have zero power arms in the rotation. Even Tommy has inly been @ 89 if late.Everyone tops out at 90 , maybe. I hope they make the post season but power arms win Championships. JJ @ 87 not good with bad location. Wow two bombs awesome!!!
Heath
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
DOB or Carroll -
Do you talk to the broadcast crew that often? Can you please ask if the broadcase equipment for Fox Sports South is provided by Grass Valley? If so, I know the EXACT person to whom to talk about these technical difficulties. Seriously…. I do.
Josh
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
BOOM!!!!!
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
J-HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
B-MACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
BOOM-SHOT-LOCK-BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
Wat to go, Heyward and Hinske!!!!
BFChris26
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
McCann
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC!!!!!!!!!!!
(Reds guys: “and now Atlanta leads 2-1″ as soon as that ball left his bat)
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
I knew it was time for some action.
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
AND NOW BMACCCC LETS GOOOOOOO
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Caray sounds better with audio distortion.
Completely agree. I don’t know what it is, but he’s not that bad now. I may be speaking too soon though. I’ll have to wait to hear him say “Tale of two ballgames” first
….I’ll wait a second for the WHOO HOMERUN crowd to pass
…….and again
GTI in Chicago
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
THAT’s the Heyward Homer we know and love!
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Hey y’all!! How’s it going tonight?
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
The delayed video is ruining it.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
YES!!!! Great Americann Ballpark and Arroyo with BMac RULE!!
Bravo_fan 52
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
B Mc Bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Rather McCann
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Come on Freddie make it back to back to back jacks
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
back to back to back?
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Now Freddy has to make it 3 for 3!!
Bravefaninok
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Looks like J- Hey may be on the right track…Back to Back now just a Freeman bomb .
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Wat to go, Heyward and Hinske!!!!
Really? Come on, Man! Give Mac some love!
AlabamaBrave
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Come on Freddie. Pretend you are still in Colorado!
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
Does everyone else have jacked up audio that is also half a second faster than the video?
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
Mac is now 9-18 with 4 home runs against Bronson Arroyo.
B-Mac
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
I just told the wife that if she ever had the opportunity to make out with Brian McCann I would be happy she was so honored.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
Looks like another rally for sea bass to kill here.
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
That Heyward…what a stiff.
Idiots.
GTI in Chicago
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
Neither of those were cheapy Great American Ballpark homers, either. Both those kids CRUSHED those balls.
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
Fredi has the lefties stacked in the lineup tonight.
Carroll Rogers
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
Heyward and McCann go back-to-back on consecutive pitches off Arroyo. last time Braves went back-to-back was June 10 at Houston. They’ve done it three times this year.
Arroyo all by himself has given up back-to-back homers three times this year
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
I can’t even hear Chip. Not that I’m complaining though.
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
aww man. Chip is back to sounding annoying.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
Wat to go, Heyward and Hinske!!!!
Really? Come on, Man! Give Mac some love!
I think he was referring to their effecient use of light bulbs
Stizz
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
Is it me, or are there much more Braves fans in visitors stadiums? I think people are really feeling the magic about this team.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
That’s just crappy luck there…
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
Arrrrgh!
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
Yes Sophee,
I love Heyward. He is the best. I want Jim to succeed, I do but he is not. But I hope the last two games are a sign of things to come.
I just don’t trust his swing or his propensity for getting hurt.
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
Of course as soon as I hit submit…
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
WOW that was such bullsh*t. These lucky freaking Reds.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
aww man. Chip is back to sounding annoying.
All good things must come to an end.
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
Wonder if all the heat singed Chip’s eyebrows…
JC from DR! (You gotta tip your cap to ____)
July 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
Fudge!
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
Alex Gonzalez needs to be shot.
Uggla's arm
July 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
we have the pieces to be a great team. do not trade MINOR
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
I want Jim to succeed
Who’s Jim?
Stizz
July 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
Sure enough Alex swings at the first pitch. Either he’s an idiot or he has the lowest baseball I.Q. on the planet.
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
Alex is being agressive, and jumping on the 1st pitch.
Chop Chop
July 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
28 HRs in 118.2 IP for Arroyo this season.
He gave up 29 HR in 215.2 IP last season.
Uggla's arm
July 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
great Heyward is playing well enough for the Braves to THINK he has it down now.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
And the Sea Bassterd struck again. Sheesh
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
The Braves luck is so bad with that line drive double play. I am tired of seeing crap like that happen and then with Gonzo popping out on the first pitch a fruitful inning ends in the blink of an eye.
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
him*
JC from DR! (You gotta tip your cap to ____)
July 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
Can’t wait to see the day.
When Alex Gonzalez is no longer a Brave.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm
I wasn’t gonna say anything, but dang, do I love facing Arroyo…
And they don’t even reshow the homers as they go to commercials!
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm
It’s almost as if Alex Gonzalez has just given up even trying to get a hit. He just goes up there like he is warming up to take BP. Can we please please please please trade for a new SS – one that can actually hit the ball and get on base better than a .250 obp clip…Alex is awful at the plate, his defense doesn’t make up for his automatic out syndrome….
AlabamaBrave
July 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm
I know AGon is a good glove man but, for crying out loud, the team seriously needs to look at upgrading at that position for someone who can hit a little bit better.
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm
I wonder if Heyward’s homer wound being a stowaway on a Gulf of Mexico bound cargo ship?
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm
Sure enough Alex swings at the first pitch. Either he’s an idiot or he has the lowest baseball I.Q. on the planet.
Mac swung at the first pitch…
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
Welp which JJJ is gonna show up this inning?
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
Wookie Ninja @ 7:58, I think there is some truth to that.
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
I want Jim (*him) to succeed, I do but he is not.
Had me fooled.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
I agree – I think SS is now the most obvious place to upgrade.
Chop Chop
July 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
The Braves have such bad luck. They hit back-to-back HRs in an inning. They’ve won 58 out of 99 games. They’re like walking under a ladder while crossing a black cat’s path while breaking a mirror while carrying a Greg Norton baseball card in your pocket.
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
JJ sucks.
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
Are we still at Coors Field?
Bravefaninok
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
Uggla’s arm
July 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
great Heyward is playing well enough for the Braves to THINK he has it down now.
Nobody in the Braves org is(or has) given up on Heyward,And 29 other MLB teams would make room for him.
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
Uggla’s arm – So? We should live and die by our own homegrown players. I don’t want to be like the Yanks or Sox and constantly import players. Just dance with the ones who brought you here. Top 5 in MLB is plenty of fun, win lose or draw come the postseason.
NO MORE PARRISH
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
Why can you hear bats from the on deck mic but never any talking?
B-Mac
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
man, can JJ get the leadoff hitter at least once?
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
Jj giving Mac zero chance
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!! STOP IT! STOP IT!!!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
Nice catch Ske!
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
SKEEEEEEEEEEE
Nice Snag!!!!
Hugo Z Hackenbush
July 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
McCann can’t throw anyone out. Why don’t we trade him for Kemp? (Hey, I hit the daily double!)
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
way to hustle that fat ass out there Hinske
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
And thats the downfall of Bmac being your catcher. That throw to second was awful but that home run he hit right before that was amazing…
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
Whoa, nice…
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
Hinske created a bunker!
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
This has been a tough part of the lineup for Jurrjens tonight.
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
Eric Hinske is a large man.
Carroll Rogers
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
Nice running catch in left by Hinske to make it two great catches in last three batters after McLouth’s ball in center last inning
Blog Monitor
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
good thing Hinske has such raw speed…
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
Did someone say Kemp? Trade for Kemp!
MIBravesFFFFFan
July 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm
“BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Hey y’all!! How’s it going tonight?”
Better now after the top of the 4th, BravesQueen!
How are you doing?
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm
I hate you all. Just wait until I get my lazy behind up and pour another drink…
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm
Didn’t realize this was the 4th straight game a Braves starting pitcher has given up a 1st inning run.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:13 pm
BravesQueen!!!
I missed your hello! Nice to see you
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:13 pm
Guess y’all didn’t see me sneak in on the last page since it was right in the middle of the back2back jacks!?
Its ok…just wanted to say hi!!! Picked a fantastic time to stop by. How are y’all doing tonight?
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
8:13 pm
JJ battling up there.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
8:13 pm
JJ looking better this inning
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
BravesQueen-
My Mac hit a home run! That makes me happy
(well, that and the cake vodka I am currently drinking…)
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
BQ Great How you doin?
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
Hey cabalicious!!
Nice to see you too, my friend. 
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
This is whats great about JJ, even when he doesnt have his stuff he is smart enough to work through innings.
Uggla's arm
July 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
oh stop your crying….i was just saying heyward has yet to show he can be consistent. would hate to pass on a great player b/c the braves think heyward has returned to form
Trade Vizcaino 4 Beltran
July 22nd, 2011
8:15 pm
Conrad looks like a little kid standing next to Heyward
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
8:16 pm
It doesn’t help that JJ’s and Tommy’s deliveries to the plate reminds me of the “Six Million Dollar Man’s” slow motion running. NA NA NA NA NA.
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:16 pm
MIBravesFFFFFan — I’m good. Yea, the 4th inning was super, wasn’t it?
Wookie Ninja — Glad to hear it. I’m pretty good. ‘Specially now that the Braves are winning.
Thanks for asking.
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
Does Alex realize that this is his contract year? He should be putting of Reyes type numbers.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
cabravesfan My Mac hit a home run!
I BEG your freaking pardon?!
Stizz
July 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
“Mac swung at the first pitch…”
Mac doesnt have as many holes in his swing as Alex. Alex should become much more patient at the plate if he has any hope of becoming more productive,
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
How many line outs are they going to catch tonight!!!
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
Sophee
2 games does nit erase how bad Heyward has been and the lack of adjustments he has not been able to make. I want him to okay well, because the team has a better chance to win. But two games is nothing.
Hell
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
Can someone hide Votto’s glove?
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
cab — Cake vodka, hmm? What in the world is that? Sounds interesting.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
4 outs on 5 pitches?
Come on guys!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
McFann-
I’m older. And I run the Bunker.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
MLB.tv is working fine with an occasional green screen but for milliseconds
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
BravesQueen—
Hi!!
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
I will be extremely happy the day Nate MCcout and Alex Gonzalez are no longer Braves…
MIBravesFFFFFan
July 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
Nice hit, JJ!
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
cabravesfan
Pinnacle Cotton Candy Vodka is the Best!!!
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
Two games is a start. Better to have two games where there is positive production, instead of the same old stuff.
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
cabravesfan My Mac hit a home run!
I BEG your freaking pardon?! -McFann
Heeheehee!!
I was waiting on that one.
ChrisfromSacramento,ca
July 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
Continuing, hell even Nate has good games. We know he is awful. Don’t get to excited over 22 yet
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
Let’s see if Heyward and Mac can do it again.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
BravesQueen-
It’s vodka that tastes like cake. I am currently mixing it with pineapple juice (Pineapple Upside Down cake) and it is fantastic! I’m making a mental list of other things I want to try it with (the company has an amazing assortment of flavored vodkas that sound incredible that I am waiting to try)
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
I will be extremely happy the day Nate MCcout and Alex Gonzalez are no longer Braves…
You do realise Nate McOut has a good OBP dont you? So he doesnt make outs as often as most the other braves.
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
McFann — Hey hey hey, girlie!! How are ya?
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
okay Eric must now be known as Hamburglar Hinske
BravesFAN
July 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
Come on Heyward be patient and wait for your pitch buddy!!
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
There is where Heyward has to get better…hitting when men on base.
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
BravesFAN
“Didn’t realize this was the 4th straight game a Braves starting pitcher has given up a 1st inning run”
Yeah, Braves pitchers have allowed a first inning homerun in four straight games.
Friday- Jurrjens allowed a homer to Cozart
Thursday- Hanson allowed a lazer beam homer to Gonzalez
Wednesday- Hudson serves up a homer to Helton
Tuesday- Beachy serves up a tater to Tulo
TNScott
July 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm
A lot of swinging early in the count.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm
Brandon Phillips seems like a nice guy. First he gave Freddie a butt slap after his single, then you see him laughing with Jurrjens
B-Mac
July 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm
Dang Heyward….think kid……think!!!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm
T-Hawkin-
It is Pinnacle. I also happen to have a friend that works for them. I’m hoping I can get something out of it
Bravefaninok
July 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm
Jason trying to go the otherway ….
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm
BravesQueen
“Guess y’all didn’t see me sneak in on the last page since it was right in the middle of the back2back jacks!?
Its ok…just wanted to say hi!!! Picked a fantastic time to stop by. How are y’all doing tonight?”
Do an Intro
Sopheee
July 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm
ChrisfromSacramento – neither does a season and a half in the bigs justify “cutting the bum”. You call him all kinds of names and refuse to recognize when he does look better like the past two days. My point is you had me fooled when you said you did want him to do well.
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:22 pm
It’s vodka that tastes like cake. I am currently mixing it with pineapple juice (Pineapple Upside Down cake) and it is fantastic — cab
Mmmmm, that sounds divine!! I’ve never heard of it, but I’d say its worth looking into.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:22 pm
cabravesfan I’m older.
Yeah, well…on the Blog loving him longer than you have…
And I run the Bunker.
Well, legally you’ve got me there…
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
8:22 pm
McCann has a 900 OPS right now
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:22 pm
Took the Chipper approach there by swinging at the 1st pitch…should have taken at least one, unless it was a meatball right over the plate.
JerseyChoppin
July 22nd, 2011
8:22 pm
Is Mauer now the Peyton Manning of the MLB? Damn, that guy is in all kinds of commercials lately it seems. Gaterade, MLB The Show, head and shoulders, …..
In the Gatorade one it shows him throwing out a base stealer. I thought he was a first baseman now?
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm
meatloaf Marteeeeen
Tomahawk Mafia
July 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm
I guess the Braves have seen Arroyo so much that they know there is no use working the count on him since he is apparently hittable early in the count.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm
cabravesfan
I dated this Chick in College that Got me onto Pinnacle when I was a rookie drinker. Now I love anything Pinnacle….
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm
The problem for heyward is people are expecting pujols like numbers out of him. In fact hurtward has put up great numbers in his first year and a half in the bigs
Coach (2011 Fredi G. a go!)
July 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm
Carlos Beltran for Mike Minor?
F**KING INSANE.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm
BravesQueen—
I’m good, how ’bout you?
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm
Do an Intro —-Tomahawkin
Hmm, I don’t know what it would be. Any suggestions?
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm
Do an Intro
I think one intro is enough, T
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:24 pm
JerseyChoppin
“Is Mauer now the Peyton Manning of the MLB? Damn, that guy is in all kinds of commercials lately it seems. Gaterade, MLB The Show, head and shoulders, ”
No, I thought Buster Poser was until a month ago
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:24 pm
BravesQueen-
It is AMAZINGLY FANTASTIC. I highly recommend it. VJ bought this (Pinnacle) at BevMo. They have dozens of different flavors, and their website has tons of interesting recipes of what to mix with each one.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm
Think the Reds would part with Stubbs? Young, pretty decent D per some scouting reports, bats righty, hits lefties pretty well.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm
Well, legally you’ve got me there…
McFann-
And that is all I need
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm
When is Dan Johnny Bravo Uggla returning?
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm
Coach (2011 Fredi G. a go!)
“Carlos Beltran for Mike Minor?
F**KING INSANE.”
Gotta Co-Sign on that one!
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
8:26 pm
The only reason I said that is some of the local media are speculating the Reds might move him…
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:26 pm
Well, he is as much mine as he is hers…
I’m good, how ’bout you? — McFann
Jay Dubu
July 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
JJ’s going to have a tough time going 7 tonight, unless Fredi ignores the high pitch count.
JJ has to continue to be effective also.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
BravesQueen
“Hmm, I don’t know what it would be. Any suggestions? ”
No Se, I watch a lot of old Dubya-C-Dubya Rasslin, So I felt the need to have my coming out party on here when I enter the blog
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
It is AMAZINGLY FANTASTIC. I highly recommend it. VJ bought this (Pinnacle) at BevMo. They have dozens of different flavors, and their website has tons of interesting recipes of what to mix with each one. cab
Thanks for the recommendation. I’m definitely gonna look into. I’ll let you know what concoction of awesomeness I come up with.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
Bout to start Wookie break dancin up in here!
Brian
July 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
rob
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
Brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
Trade Heyward, Lowe and Gonzalez (or Pastornicky/Lipka if the Mets want a prospect) for Reyes and Beltran.
Reyes – Prado – Beltran – McCann – Chipper – Freeman – Uggla – Schafer would be pretty sick. Still would have Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson, Beachy, and bring on Teheran.
Trade Heyward for two about to be free agents? What are you smoking? Can you please share it with the rest of us.
You are right. I should have clarified that I meant this trade is only acceptable if Reyes is signed to a multiyear extension. That is what I meant. Beltran can walk and with Lowe, McLouth, and Kawakami off the books that gives us enough money to extend the best SS in baseball and sign a big right-handed bat. Or…you trade Schafer, Delgado, Lipka, etc. for Matt Kemp.
That would be ridiculous.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
Reds guys now raving about David Ross. saying basically that he has the best job in baseball, backing Mac. (They also said he was one of the best guys you’ll ever meet)
Bravefaninok
July 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
JJ needed that inning ….
Carroll Rogers
July 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm
eight pitches in the fifth for Jurrjens bring him to 73. ….Not bad at all considering he was at 45 after two.
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm
Tomahawkin — Aha! Well, I’ll leave it to ya then.
Seems as if I eventually get noticed when I post. 
Bravefaninok
July 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm
I guess we will get some C-Mart action tonight.
njbraves
July 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm
Good inning for JJ.
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
8:31 pm
I wanted Uggla on the bench before he got hot, not when he is hot!
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:31 pm
Ah ha ha….He just said “On dic hitter” on the broadcast!!!
Quickly made the correction… 
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
8:31 pm
Damn
B-Macc would Hit 40hrs in a season if he Payed at the Great American Smallpark for 75 games a year
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
8:31 pm
BravesQueen (and T-hawkin)-
My friend informed me Pinnacle is coming out with a new flavor next month- Gummy. Sounds…interesting (he said it was really good- also recommended the Chocolate Whipped- which is next on my list to try)
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm
What happened to Bat Masterson?
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm
Amen to that, Ralph! Its a shame that happened. I hope it doesn’t turn him around in the wrong direction. That would stink!
abeeeewright
July 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm
Six years of Minor for 1/2 year of Beltran is worth starting a conversation. If that’s it (and the Braves have to take on salary too), it should be a short conversation.
Minor represents insurance for this year and may not be in the rotation ever if Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino all pass him by.
However, I would expect the Braves to at least get some salary relief and a prospect or two (not necessarily top prospects).
Heath
July 22nd, 2011
8:33 pm
lead off walk… Get him home Freddie!
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 22nd, 2011
8:33 pm
He’s bein’ careful there.
BravesQueen
July 22nd, 2011
8:33 pm
cab —
Mmmm, chocolate whipped!! Let me know when you take that one on.
ray
July 22nd, 2011
8:33 pm
I agree with some. I’d rather have Quentin or Upton. Minor is too expensive for a 2 month rental. BA said Minor should not have gone 7th overall and they were probably right. But Beltran can’t play CF well anymore and he is not a team player. with Boras as his agent, he is a goner via free agency. since Braves don’t offer arbitration, they get ZERO. I haven’t recovered from Teixeira fiasco-and never will.
I do not want Minor in division. even Jo Jo has pitched well lately in Toronto. Harrison is fairly good now. it is too soon for give up on Minor. the other 2 were given much longer looks
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
8:33 pm
Okayyyy Wookie chop heading Arrrrryrrs way here! Hinske goin Kabong!