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ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
@ Blankster
I think Conrad is hitting 6th tonight
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
not sure how a Pagan rental would be better than a Beltran rental??
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
Is that you Fredi?
Nah. I would have looked up the splits, if I were really interested. Big diff.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
BELTRAN IS NOT INJURY PRONE GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
yup keeping Ramirez,Reyes,Davies,Chen,etc etc sure made a huge difference didn’t it
Oh come on Nolie. None of those guys ever had the pedigree that Minor has now.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
ken-
Nope. Lineup:
1. Prado 3B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. McCann C, 4. Freeman 1B, 5. Hinske LF, 6. Gonzalez SS, 7. Conrad 2B 8 McLouth CF 9 Jurrjens P
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm
who wouldnt trade minor for a world title? or Delgado for a world title? yeah its just one but one more than we’ve had in the last 15yrs.
except of course you are not trading for a title but just better odds at it, which is a long way from any guarantee
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm
WOW…I bet Gonzo getting 2 hits yesterday and he probably hits Arroyo will be his reason
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
Braves with at least 100 AB by OPS:
1, Bmac .890
2. Freddie .823
3. Old man .768
4. Marteen .750
5. Fat Eric .748
6. Hurtward .732
7. Nate .687
8. Bicep man .645
9, Tatooed boy .616 (but 15 sb)
10, Sea bass .597
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
not sure how a Pagan rental would be better than a Beltran rental??
He plays CF and is under control for another year. And if you don’t pick up Nate’s option (no brainer) he would probabaly fit right in financially.
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
The big question is if we get Beltran where would he play.Could he play at LF and keep Heyward at RF.Or he can only play at RF and that all
o *ell ya
July 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
Why all the bitching about what Pence would make from arb….Are you saying from now on anyone making over 10 million Braves are not going to sign..The price of players go up every year…if you going to play you must pay the piper. Cheap is cheap..when Chip & Lowe is gone that will free up 30 million plus Nates 7 million.
How much out of that money comes out of your pocket..unless you go to the games.
Beltran will only cost one player that may not ever do a damn thing..this is not a Wainwright deal..we are not give 4 or 5 players for one rental..Beltran can play and help. Do I like the short term? No but it gives us a chance to WIN!
If you never take a chance you will never have a damn thing. Do I wish for Pence, Bourn,Upton, Reed Johnson, M Byrd, L Cain,Jones and Adams..Yes but you take the best deal..Wrens got a tough job…give the man some credit. Fredi I don’t like to much right now. He says to many stupid things. Go Braves.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:43 pm
@bravesfaninnc
He will play CF mostly
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
you are kidding right Glen?
Granted that there was some facetiousness in my post, but Chen was the #4 prospect in all baseball the year b4 he came up and Minor will never be in that league. Reyes had monster minor league numbers, much better than Minor’s.
Josh
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
I’m amazed at the people that don’t want Beltran..we can’t have a 10 man starting rotation
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
@Glen W
We will want Schaffer to play CF next season, so we dont want a player who has another year on the contract
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
Ken what about trading Lowe to Tigers has this die off ? Or what is going on. Thanks
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:45 pm
Ruben Tejada would be another interesting Mets player if they had Reyes locked up to a long term deal.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
6:45 pm
Only thing that would worry me with Beltran is if he’d be able to stay healthy playing CF.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:45 pm
.Are you saying from now on anyone making over 10 million Braves are not going to sign..
No. The point is, at least from my understanding, is that many people (and I happen to be one of them) are not sure Pence is worth $10 million or more a year. Yes, he is having a great year, but he’s also been inconsistent. There are players that are worth that type of money. Just not sure Pence is in that category.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Probably dead because of the last few outings by the kid Beachy, Holding Lowe for the penant drive seems more like the thing to do
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
My guess is that Beltran would not be replacing Schafer in center at all.
That would be an egregious misuse of resources. They sue doctors for that kind of misfeasance.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
.we can’t have a 10 man starting rotation
Well, we could… might leave us a bit shallow in the pen. and on the bench…
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Granted that there was some facetiousness in my post, but Chen was the #4 prospect in all baseball the year b4 he came up and Minor will never be in that league. Reyes had monster minor league numbers, much better than Minor’s.
Chen was really #4 overall? If so, I was wrong on that one. But then you should not have put his name along side of JoJo Reyes.
Trey
July 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Hm, I think Beltran would be a nice fit out there. He would increase their chances to succeed in the playoffs. I’d see nothing wrong with trading Minor for Beltran. The Braves have a plethora of pitchers in the farm system, already.
However, is it risky if Beltran doesn’t succeed with the Braves if the Braves get him, but it is baseball and a baseball is pretty much a game of trading cards to build your deck better to succeed in the long haul.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
@Tomas
Look at it like this Beltran plays CF 2 days, RF a Day, LF 2 Days and off 2 Days. Dan and Chipper will get rest down the stretch
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
Added in Beltran for comparison
Braves with at least 100 AB by OPS:
(Beltran .911)
1, Bmac .890
2. Freddie .823
3. Old man .768
4. Marteen .750
5. Fat Eric .748
6. Hurtward .732
7. Nate .687
8. Bicep man .645
9, Tatooed boy .616 (but 15 sb)
10, Sea bass .597
reckingball
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
Minor for Beltran, I hope not.
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
This team is 17 games above .500, with a healthy lead in the wild card race. Given the injury woes this team has had to go through, as well as some players underperforming offensively, I think it’s though to get annoyed with Fredi.
Only major gripe is walking Wigginton to get to CarGo a couple nights ago. Still scratching my head about that…but I’m not, nor will ever coach baseball at any level, so who am I to judge his decisions.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:48 pm
Dan and Chipper will get rest down the stretch
ken-
How does Dan get a rest? marteen is not going to play 2nd base. Braves have said that repeatedly
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:48 pm
@reckingball
I figured you wouldnt like it but it looks like a 80% thing
Sheethook
July 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
How about Lynchburgs Joe TERDoslavich for Jason Bay ?
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
yeah Chen was #4. I thought he would be a decent pitcher in the bigs ( a three maybe even a 2), but just never happened.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
Schafer doesn’t deserve to start over Heyward or Beltran
michael
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
noleeee
i didnt say it was a guarantee but i assume we’re getting in the playoffs via winning east or wild card. i think beltran can help more in the playoffs than minor or any other pitcher the braves may consider trading.. but i’ll rephrase. Id trade minor to INcrease my odds at winning a world title.
and nothing changes the fact that beltran is better than any outfielder the braves have right now (other than prado who’s at 3B)
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
David Nied was supposed to be great, too.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
@cabravesfan
You are correct I had two thoughts that went together but the plan is for Brooksie to spell Dan a game a week, Prado to spell chipper a couple of games and Heyward would get a day off a week as well.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
If the Braves get Beltran, Schafer needs to be on the bench where he belongs. (or more like in AAA)
tj
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
If getting Beltran will put Schafer on the bench..do it now.
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
My big concern about this is that if we do get Beltran and Schafer is sent down then we are taking speed away from this lineup.Which is baseball you must have a very fast guy in the lineup if you want to win
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm
How does Dan get a rest? marteen is not going to play 2nd base. Braves have said that repeatedly
guess those Braves haven’t checked with ken’s sources.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm
Freeman needs a day here and there as well so watch for Martin to play a little there maybe as well depending on pitcher
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm
Why trade for Beltran if he is not being put in CF ? Prado in LF & JHey in RF … McClouth be 4th outfielder because of salary…. Schafer may go down to AAA until Sept 1.
or McClouth might be in the trade with Minor as salary offset..
Nolie you forgot chuck & duck on your list..
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
@ncscoots
tj
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
Boy Ken you are smart
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
I’d rather see him in AAA getting daily reps and hopefully building confidence Whoop
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
ken-
I don’t think a)Dan will want or need that time off- he hates to sit or b)Connie would be playing that much unless there was an injury situation like last year when Chipper & Marteen both went down (and I am a fan of Conrad’s and always have been)
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
“Hm, I think Beltran would be a nice fit out there. He would increase their chances to succeed in the playoffs.”
Agreed. Beats the hell out of the usual trade deadline acqusitions we’ve grown accustomed to lately.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
not really but I have good ears… :0
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
6:53 pm
I know the Reds won’t do it, but Drew Stubbs is an interesting piece. He kills lefties but struggles mightily making contact vs righties. A platoon with him and Schafer at the leadoff spot would be pretty good.
But no way the Reds trade him, and he has much more potential than to be just a platoon player
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
yeah I did Wayne. just grabbed the first ones who popped to mind. I’m sure there are a dozen or more that I missed
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
@cabravesfan
Fredi has the same style as his mentor(Bobby) get those pinch hitters a game here and there to keep them fresh…and as far as Dan…HE WANTS TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!!
jch
July 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
Frankie Wren – “Again, Marteen no head first slides into home this weekend!!!!!!!!”
Unless, of course, you need to…
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:55 pm
Well folks going to sit back and enjoy the game!!!
GO BRAVES!!!!
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
July 22nd, 2011
6:55 pm
If getting Beltran mean’s he’s our everyday CF, then the I say pass on it. Pitching and defense. Pitching and defense.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm
you said “trade for a world title” I don’t know you well enough to know how you meant that. wasn’t insulting you
tj
July 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm
Go ahead and get Beltran and also go get a good middle relief pitcher…Now is the time to go all out to win it this year.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm
what else would he be EMWTK ?
Lollygagger
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
haha Buckle up, folks… John Heyman (SI) reporting Braves not likely to give up Minor in Beltran deal.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/status/94539465711812608
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
For 2 months Heyward could move to CF. When Beltran leaves he’ll move back to RF, and Schafer takes over CF
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
yup I’d like to see another reliever
michael
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
Don green….
OF-Colby Rasmus
2. RP-P.J. Walters
for
1. SP-Mike Minor
2. OF-Nate McLouth
3. 3B-Brandon Hicks
4. SS-Diory Hernandez
5. OF-Matt Young
ha you just traded 5 crappy players (minor may be okay) for one above average jordan schaffer in colby rasmus… the cardinals GM might be a martard if he did something like that.
CB
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
nolie,Chen is pretty much a 2 or 3 pitcher in KC.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
Bing!
Soldier—–
(Waving Arm!) “Get Out The WAYYYYY!!!! (Boom!) Pretty Boy Coming Through! Me And My Crew! We Swaggin In The Room!
Whats Up All?
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
well that would mean less excitement Lolly, but I can live with it
njbraves
July 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
Beltran isn’t injury prone and he’s better than Pagan. Dear God, it’s all about ” team control” for some of you. Minor isn’t all that good folks and he’s expendable at this point. Make the trade and make the 2011 Braves a better team. Why is any of this hard to comprehend?? And those saying Beltran wouldn’t play every day are lost. Of course he would, this isn’t the bench guy you’re looking for.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
“Hm, I think Beltran would be a nice fit out there. He would increase their chances to succeed in the playoffs.”
“Agreed. Beats the hell out of the usual trade deadline acqusitions we’ve grown accustomed to lately.”
Co-Sign! But Beltrans Defense is Suspect And I’m not one who likes to rely on the Longball in Choptober. Thats why I like M. Bourne More, plus Bourne would be a cheaper option it seems
Dawg 46
July 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
We know the history of Beltran , good outfielder has power to all fields and can really protect the lineup because of his switch hitting , and with minor we know he can be a major league picther yes but will his shoudler hold up . So I think the right move is to get Beltran ..
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm
Tomas, they have repeatedly said that they will not plat Heyward in center other than in an emergency. At some point you have to start believing some of what they say.
jch
July 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm
njbrave – amen
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm
I don’t know why you think Minor isn’t all that good. What are you basing that on? And what makes him expendable? What would we do if JJ or Tommy went down? or if Beachy started struggling?
BFChris26
July 22nd, 2011
7:02 pm
They need to make the move if the bounty is just Minor. Makes too much sense not to.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:02 pm
bring up Teheran or Delgado?
Trade Vizcaino
July 22nd, 2011
7:03 pm
I’d rather see them trade Vizcaino for Beltran. Minor is a good LEFTY prospect something not a lot of teams have. We have plenty of righty’s.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
Viz has way more upside than Minor who is a high-floor low-ceiling prospect by almost unanimous unbiased analysis
STOP OVER THINKING..ITS CARLOS BELTRAN FOR MIKE MINOR..DO IT
July 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
Would you rather keep watching Minor in Gwinnett or watch Beltran turn this team into a World Series favorite? QUIT OVER THINKING IT! ITS NOT LIKE WERE TALKING ABOUT TEHERAN HERE PEOPLE!
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
bring up Teheran or Delgado?
I view them as being ready to help in the pen but not in the rotation.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:06 pm
Good chance we are obsessing about Beltran and it won’t happen anyway. we do that a lot here. and yes I am including myself
trheel
July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
Minor for Beltran for 2+ months without the possibility of draft compensation would be rolling the dice. I would think that the Braves need another piece. If Wren were going to make a deal centered around Beltran then he should throw-in a lower tier fringe prospect at A+/A- while adding Bobby Parnell to the deal from the Mets. Ship out Proctor. Parnell is nothing special but he could have value in future years.
Good pitching is important in the postseason, but we all know if you can’t score, which happened all too often in the 90s and earlier this decade, the Braves will not advance.
Tough call for Wren. Time to see whether he has what it takes to make a move for a hitter that is better than a marginal starter like Ankiel or Jonny Gomes.
noleee
July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
SCOOTS, you still around?
Truth
July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
Minor isn’t that good, just watch him pitch, you’ll see that. Just another overblown Braves prospect, like Schafer
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:08 pm
Not getting the compensation pick is a big deal.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
I think the only thing keeping this deal from being done is that the Braves are wanting a reliever to go along with Beltran. I think the balls in our court.
Holy Cow
July 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
IT DON’T MATTER WHAT WE WANT…ITS WRENS CALL!
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
Thank God we have njbraves to give us “expert” opinion. “Minor isn’t all that good folks”– Wow, well said. You make a very convincing argument. Totally changed my mind. This isn’t fantasy baseball you clown. No talented young pitcher is expendable…any one of these pitchers could go down at any moment, and I know I’d feel alot better about plugging Minor in right away rather than expecting Teheran, Delgado, or Vizcaino to come in right away and be consistently effective.
And while Beltran may not be injury prone, he’s a 34 yr old OF with a bum knee who doesn’t run that well anymore, and has missed significant time in the recent past. No disrespect to Chipper, but the Braves don’t need another player like that, ESPECIALLY in CF. Schafer doesn’t do much at the plate, but like Gonzo, his defense has saved quite a few runs. Defense and Pitching win championships.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm
I like to think we will conintue arroyo’s bad run this game. Go braves!
Holy Cow
July 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm
Agree truth!!!!!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
Thank God we have njbraves to give us “expert” opinion. “Minor isn’t all that good folks”– Wow, well said. You make a very convincing argument. Totally changed my mind. This isn’t fantasy baseball you clown. No talented young pitcher is expendable…any one of these pitchers could go down at any moment, and I know I’d feel alot better about plugging Minor in right away rather than expecting Teheran, Delgado, or Vizcaino to come in right away and be consistently effective.
And while Beltran may not be injury prone, he’s a 34 yr old OF with a bum knee who doesn’t run that well anymore, and has missed significant time in the recent past. No disrespect to Chipper, but the Braves don’t need another player like that, ESPECIALLY in CF. Schafer doesn’t do much at the plate, but like Gonzo, his defense has saved quite a few runs. Defense and Pitching win championships.
Or more importantly – people on the injury table dont win championships.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
Not crazy about Prado’s new stance. Looks like he’s cutting himself off a bit.
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
bring up Teheran or Delgado?
I gotta say that I’m not a fan of that idea. Geez, they’re already carrying Pampers down there in the My Little Pony backpack, not sure I’d like pennant-stretch innings dedicated to some even less experienced guys.
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
@Truth
You know more than professional scouts or coaches? Unless you have numbers to back up those claims, please stop polluting this blog with your mouth garbage.
Thank you.
gclcpa
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Wow Stop Over Thinking – I think you’re “over thinking” Beltran’s impact. Most likely he’d finish the season on the DL. I wish we would learn to stop giving up our prospects for extremely short-term rental players. If you’re going to do it, at least get a player with more impact than someone who ends up on the DL rolling out of bed in the morning.
The A Bomb
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Wow that ken guy was like one of those magic 8 balls you shake up and a new message comes up each time.
Wow…my head’s spinning.
Tomahawkin
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Those were Nasty Stats about our OF Production the last 3 years!
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
This just it:
Heyward cant hit.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
Odd: #Braves have second-worst ERA in majors since All-Star break: 5.55. Small-sample-size fluke or sign of coming fatigue for young staff?
Wow!
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
in*
I Gave Her Undertaker eyes
July 22nd, 2011
7:13 pm
super quick inning
Moondog
July 22nd, 2011
7:13 pm
For 2008-2010, Beltran had a monster 1.013 OPS against lefties, with a .615 slugging and .398 OBP.
It should be said that 2011 numbers are not as good, .838/.547/.291.
Still, .838 is nothing to sneeze at.
In Atlanta’s lineup would he see more good pitches to hit?