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cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm
BravePack/ P-Town-
If you guys like WWE stuff, Bill Simmons did a column yesterday about the best entrance music of all time… http://www.grantland.com (I’m not much of a wrestling fan these days, but the column was great)
Bigwheel
July 22nd, 2011
6:02 pm
I def. Got video evidence on nfl live today the back of john claytons head, revealing quite a roll up.
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm
twoiron, I respectfully disagree. Chippah is running a close second to Beltan for Mr. DL…he’ll retire after this year and be given a grand celebration. His surgery is easy for a 20 year old, but horrible when you are forty.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm
The Braves would never trade away a white player for a black player. Are you guys dreaming? Terrence Moore
1) You spelled your name wrong, Terence
2) Beltran isn’t black
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
The thing about the Wainwright deal was that JD drew KILLED the ball for us when he came on the Braves. Beltran will nowhere be near as potent as JD drew was it the time.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
Frankie – Some of us believe that the operative term on Beltran hitting the DL this year should be , no Not Yet.
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
Why does everyone assume Beltran > Heyward? We’re not going to play Beltran in CF often.
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
holding up in center is my big concern but I think they would use him some in right too unless Jason really picks it up.
My only concern is them sitting Heyward over Schafer when Beltran comes aboard – which needs to be considered here. They are clearly delusional regarding Jordan Schafer, and believe he is star in the waiting. Sad, really. I don’t care about trading Minor. I don’t care about Beltran’s lack of range in center. But I do care about them starting Beltran in RF and playing Schafer in center the rest of the way. Fredi would do it. He’s that awful. Bigger problem is, Wren wouldn’t say anything. And that’s the scariest thing of all.
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
Nolie, as our friend says pitching & defense wins ball games .. SF did it last year ..I know how you feel on Minor ,you did not think he was good draft pick (Braves going cheap that yea ) r..
I just dont like rental trades.. Braves offense is starting to hit too ,that makes a difference..
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
I hope Wren is not stupid enough to make this deal for Beltran, we have two needs, lst getting rid of Lowes salary and getting a center fielder, this deal does neither one.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
“The Astros are asking for multiple impact players in any deal involving Hunter Pence, according to Jon Heyman, Jayson Stark and Buster Olney”
Minor could net us Beltran
Make it Minor and Teheran and we might could get Pence
Folks, the other teams are working for THEIR interests, not ours.
We want to get the player who IS good for the prospect who MIGHT be good
They want the player who IS ready for the chance that we MIGHT win it all
We wouldnt have it any other way of we were on the other side of the fence.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
Bob-
Why would Chipper retire? He had a ’scope. It is really not a major thing.
My Name Is Earl
July 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!! More than likely Beltran would come over for about 2 months and have a start just like Uggla did. And lose a top prospect? NO! Grow our own. Win of lose. Have fun! Winning or not winning is not the end of the world. It Is a Game! A Game! My Gosh! Remember The Alamo. I mean Remember Wainwright!
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
We’re not going to play Beltran in CF often.
who are we gonna play?
NickB
July 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
here’s a few things to consider:
A) If a totation spot opens up in 2012(via a Lowe trade, beachy trade wtvr) Teheran is probably going to be the man who gets the spot. Making Minor the odd man out.
B) most fans overvalue their own prospects , always viewing them as a “lock” to reach their projected “ceiling” It’s about 50/50 on prospects panning out as far as their projected potential goes and Minor’s potential is mid -rotation level. That’s good to have of course, but he’s not an untouchable.
C) If you want to rent a bat with a good history of production and an OPS of.911 AND have most of his salary paid, you aren’t going to get him with a low level prospect and a throw in. You have to give up something MLB ready. Not a potential superstar, but someone who can be expected to contribute on the big team to start 2012. Minor is that guy
IMO, IF the Braves are going to acquire Beltran, Mike Minor is the perfect chip to cash in. he’s probably blocked next season in the rotation, doesn’t project as an ace and due to the fact we have 2 other lefties in the minors now who project either similarly or better, he’s expendable.
I don’t think it’s too high a price for that much offensive production. In fact he seems to be the cheapest,easiest piece to move….. I make the deal. It makes the team much more potent and changes the way pitchers have to attack the lineup as a whole. Especially if we have back to back switch hitters again!
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
“Giving up a top prospect when no other team is offering a top prospect is insanity.”
No. Worrying about what the other guy is doing when you have it in your grasp to go get the big prize is misguided priorities
VaBravesFan
July 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
If the Braves are gonna make this trade they should just do it now and get Beltran in the lineup tomorrow. Why keep waiting? Longer the wait the less will get to use him..
Patrick Star
July 22nd, 2011
6:08 pm
I just think Bourn adds more to the team. I think he would be here long term, and I believe Beltran would be a half-year-rental. I like Shafer, but I don’t mind giving him up for a better hitter and about the same defender.
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
6:08 pm
To treat any young, major league ready, pitcher as “expendable” is a mistake. This team should be looking to add bullpen depth (especially with Medlen’s recent set back) and a solid defensive outfielder with a serviceable bat (Ryan Ludwick!). Giving up an insurance policy in the starting rotation, which is invaluable, for a 2 month rental of an aging Beltran whose recent past has been riddled with injury, only serves to weaken this team’s biggest weapon; pitching.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm
First of all this deal would be very interesting, but lets look at it closely:
Mike Minor is he expendable= YES
Minor is a good pitcher but most think he is the #4 starting pitching prospect in the Braves system and with the Drafting of Gilmartin the Braves have replaced him if he goes.
Carlos Beltran is injury prone= NO
He had a devestating injury at the end of July of 2009 which kept him out a year till August of 2010. He has missed no games with injury this season and before the big imjury was NEVER on the DL!!!
Carlos Beltran can still produce= YES
He is hitting .290 with 15 HR’s and 61 RBI’s which would be in our top two on our team, so folks wake up.
Carlos Beltran is a 2 month Rental= MAYBE
He has always produced down the stretch and could put up huge numbers which would give him a big contract that we probably not pay for, but just maybe he produces like he is and likes the Braves orginazation like Hinske and will take less money to be the Braves 4th OF in his last 3 years
That all I said I would do the deal!!!!
GO BRAVES BEAT THOSE REDLEGS!!!
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
Not a chance I would trade Teheran and Minor for Pence and the 25 million he’ll get through arbitration through 2013. Heck no. He isn’t worth that salary and could damn well be a non tender candidate after next year. Paying a player like him over 12 million dollars is not smart baseball. He isn’t THAT good.
JSA
July 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
Frank Wren. I never comment because I do not pretend to be a baseball expert. But the Braves unless they collapse are at least the wild card and have stayed so despite injuries to Martin and Chipper as well as slumps by Uggla, Heyward, and others.However they are bouncing back.Braves need to think about a 6-man rotation before the playoffs to save the arms. A 23 yr old Minor would help better than anyone else. Why trade for an oft injured 34 yr old Beltran who will not stay? There are no guarantees that any of the other prospects are going to pan out. If we can get a hitter without giving a top line prospect, do it. Otherwise, we may regret who we gave up like we did with Texteira and Wainwright.
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm
Okay, gotta run. Go Braves! Go get em, Frank!
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm
cabravesfan…mainly because he’s not close to a $16M player anymore, he misses more games exponetially every season, his range is about half, and he’s at the end of his contract. I think he knows when to go out on top, unlike A Jones, Glavine, and Smoltz.
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
Beltran isn’t a big prize. He’s not better than Heyward, therefore to us he’s actually a stumbling block.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
seeya Efrim
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
“Robert – the team with the rental does not set the price.”
So your philosophy would be to go ahead and let this golden opportunity pass because you cant name the price?
That’s just stupid.
You know what else is stupid? What’s stupid is that this guy who cant make our rotation and who figures to get jumped over in the rotation and suddenly as soon as some other team shows interest in him we change our mind and now he’s our untradeable top prospect.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
Bob-
But barring a serious injury (the meniscus tear is not serious) why would he walk away with one year left on his deal? he wants to play. he will if he can.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
Y’all worry about paying a much younger Pence $10 mil a year, but would be willing to re-sign a Beltran at 35 for the same amount or more longer term?
Remind me not to let you manage my retirement portfolio.
CB
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
JSA, not being a baseball expert doesn’t stop too many here.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
Probable Lineup with Beltran:
LF Prado
CF Beltran
C McCann
3B Jones
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
RF Heyward
SS Gonzalez
jch
July 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
ugaaccountant – I’m failing to see your logic… he’ll be playing “with” Heyward, not instead of him. Who’s stumbling?
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
Only if he can contribute…Chippah is too much of a gentleman and a realist.
North Ave Trade School Hater
July 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
stupid trade for a 2 month rental. History proves me right – Wainright and the trade for Texiera.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
“The thing about the Wainwright deal was that ……”
The thing about the Wainwright deal was that Cox was managing the Braves. We couldve gotten ARod, Pujols, Votto, Halliday, Sabathia, Verlander, and Paris Hilton for Wainwright and that team still wouldve had zero chance to win it all
boondawg
July 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
How many prospects over the years have not worked out. Do the deal now and let’s enjoy the last part of this season. Live for today and win now if you can. I ain’t playing for next season until next season.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
I think they would play him mostly in CF, perhaps some in right against a lefty.
Hard to know what Fredi would do truthfully.
I like the deal but ain’t gonna be upset either way it goes down.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
And Chipper played 143 games in ‘09, and was on pace for similar totals until he hurt his knee last year (95 games played) so saying he is playing less is not really accurate
Lollygagger
July 22nd, 2011
6:16 pm
While we’re debating Beltran, Wren is gonna go get Ludwick and Qualls from San Diego.
jch
July 22nd, 2011
6:16 pm
nolee – I wouldn’t be upset either way it falls but, I’d like to see them do something of substance. If for no other reason than to show the rest of the team management is serious about winning THIS year and they should be too.
All in all, I say do the deal.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm
Chipper is also smart enough to not walk away from $13 million. (Not $16m, by the way) Especially if he feels he can still play.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm
@noleeee
My sources say Beltran most likely a Brave by Monday, Schaffer will go to AAA to continue working on leadoff hitting:)
Francouer still looks like he will go to Philly for Kendrick, but waiting on Oswalt to come off of DL
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:18 pm
Not a chance I would trade Teheran and Minor for Pence and the 25 million he’ll get through arbitration through 2013. Heck no. He isn’t worth that salary and could damn well be a non tender candidate after next year.
NT candidate after next year? Hunter Pence?
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:18 pm
Chipper will be back in 2012 if healthy, and likely 2013 if he stays healthy enough in 2012 to make the contract minimum playing time
Keith
July 22nd, 2011
6:18 pm
Its easier to face him for the next 10 years as a Met when he is opposed by Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado, Perez or Gilmartin. Some say he could win 15 games a season as a Met. He could, but these guys combined could win 75 per season. Minor may be #1 on the depth chart, but he would be #6 on the potential chart.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm
Hunter Pence will stay in Houston along with Bourn, most likely to be traded for the Astros will be Wandy Rodriguez and/or Brett Meyers
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
Efrim
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
holding up in center is my big concern but I think they would use him some in right too unless Jason really picks it up.
My only concern is them sitting Heyward over Schafer when Beltran comes aboard – which needs to be considered here. They are clearly delusional regarding Jordan Schafer, and believe he is star in the waiting. Sad, really. I don’t care about trading Minor. I don’t care about Beltran’s lack of range in center. But I do care about them starting Beltran in RF and playing Schafer in center the rest of the way. Fredi would do it. He’s that awful. Bigger problem is, Wren wouldn’t say anything. And that’s the scariest thing of all.
Exactly – if the idea is to sit heyward alot then this trade makes absolutly no sense to me. Heck, it makes no sense anyway, but this would be beyond retarded. Beltran can only be obtained if the braves think he can play centre everyday
Bob
July 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
cabravesfan…are you Chippah? Look at your math my friend, sure looks like fewer games each year to me. Besides, it’s always something. Do you think he’s worth $16M? I’m thinking we can do better, and how many championships have we won since 2000? How many WS since 1996? Maybe time for a change?
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
Schaffer will go to AAA to continue working on leadoff hitting:)….ken
thats what I would like to see in those circumstances
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
Chipper WILL be back next season folks unless we win the whole thing this year and Chip might take buyout to go out on top!!
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
Pence isnt even that good. The astros are really not going to get a deal done demanding so much for a guy who is only a slightly above average hitter.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
@noleeee
The Orginization would like that too so it has heightened their interest in getting a trade done
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
Bob-
Maybe you should check your math- He’s NOT MAKING $16 MILLION..Did you even read my post? I said last year he was on pace to play similar amount of games as he did in 2009. And are you really blaming Chipper for a lack of championship?
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
I dont think we know for Fact Minor could get us Beltran . I dont think Wren will open up to anyone who he might be looking to get,so this is just a trade rumor at best . same as Minor, Cabrera & Salcedo for Kemp would be ,interesting chat though..
Sheethook
July 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
How about Mike Minor for Jose Reyes ?
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
Kemp not on the block NV049
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
2007: 134 games
2008:128 games
2009: 143 games
Not declining every year…sorry
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
I’m thinking we can do better, Bob
not sure how that would be. He was leading the league in RISP,intentional walks and doubles not long b4 the injury. and one of the highest OPS on the team. He may not be waht he was, but nowdays nobody else is either. You can’t compare numbers from today to those of three + years ago
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
Jose Reyes looks as though like his team wants to finish the season in NY and then see if a deal can be worked out
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
I wonder if the Mets are even interested at this point after Minors performance last night.
BravesfansinNC
July 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
I wonder if the fact that the Fregos is at the Mets game indicate that Beltran to the Braves is close to happen
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Chipper is still one of the Best National League 3B’s
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Efrim, sorry, I can in no universe equate acquiring Beltran with acquiring Uggla. Probably not even in parallel dimensions, LOL.
I mean, you want the guy to help you against LHP, right? But doesn’t he make outs against LHP even moreso than Alex? Wouldn’t that tend to temper the enthusiasm just a wee bit?
As I said, I’m OK with picking up the guy. Probably right up to the point when he gives Fredo ideas for “creative” lineups. At that point, I’m probably be ready to kneecap the sumbee.
DAM
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Mike Minor is expendable given the depth of starting pitching we have in the minors. To me, Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino are all better prospects than Minor. Let’s not forget that we will also have Medlen available next year, as well. We’ve seen this year that it really doesn’t matter too much whether or not we have a LH starting pitcher in the rotation. I think if the Mets want Minor for Beltran, we should take it.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Blankster- Pence isn’t even that good. Have you watched him play? I really believe you are underestimating how good of a hitter he is and will continue to be.
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
should be by Monday Bravesfaninnc
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Nobody should doubt thatif carlos beltran is healthy then this guy is a complete beast. BUT is he healthy enough to lay centre and will he stay healthy? I say too much risk and we r better off going for a right handed OF like reed johson.
Also, hunter pence is not good. He will be overpaid next year and year after, AND the astros want a kings ransom for a guy with a career .800 ish OPS. Hardly great.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm
But doesn’t he make outs against LHP even moreso than Alex? …Scoots
Scoots with a double helping of hyperbole thar….
DAM
July 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
Blankster, Beltran is a switch hitter, so he would be the RH bat against lefties that we need.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
You know what else is stupid? What’s stupid is that this guy who cant make our rotation and who figures to get jumped over in the rotation and suddenly as soon as some other team shows interest in him we change our mind and now he’s our untradeable top prospect.
I did not say that Minor was not tradeable. I said trading him for a rental makes no sense given how the market has worked the last 3 years. Given Wren’s track record, if we dealt Minor to get Beltran, Wren would look for a lesser prospect to get back.
Whoop
July 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
“My only concern is them sitting Heyward over Schafer when Beltran comes aboard – which needs to be considered here. They are clearly delusional regarding Jordan Schafer, and believe he is star in the waiting. Sad, really. I don’t care about trading Minor. I don’t care about Beltran’s lack of range in center. But I do care about them starting Beltran in RF and playing Schafer in center the rest of the way. Fredi would do it. He’s that awful. Bigger problem is, Wren wouldn’t say anything. And that’s the scariest thing of all.”
That’s what of most afraid of. Their lips are so securely attached to Schafer’s azz, I can easily picture them continuing to start that scrub over Heyward.
If they get Beltran, he better be taking Schafer’s place.
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
July 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
Getting JOse Reyes and Beltran would be my dream
without giving up too much. of course its gonna cost alot, but our lineup would be insane
not gonna happen, i guess i can always dream.
Sheethook
July 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
Freddie Freeman nickname – Big Baby
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
@cabbravesfan…what are you looking at?? Did you just take your best guess each year?
Check your stats man, Beltran played 81 games in 2009…and 64 in 2010.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/3971/carlos-beltran
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Blankster- Pence isn’t even that good. Have you watched him play? I really believe you are underestimating how good of a hitter he is and will continue to be.
How can I underestimate it? I know his stats. His sb% is awful (i.e. he costs u runs on the basepaths)
His career line is: .291 .339 .481
So his career ops is .821. And you want to give up 2/3 hot prospects and $20m for 2 years of this guy? Worst trade ever that would be. Wren obviously isnt considering it because he knows how stupuid it would be….luckily
Don't Trade Young Pitching
July 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
N-E-V-E-R…NEVER! The aim is to stay in contention, not to become the Mets. Pitching IS the difference. Never.
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
ChicagoBrave-
Dude. Maybe you shouldn’t just into the middle of a conversation without checking to see who we were actually talking about. We were discussing Chipper. (and I’m still not a man)
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
Getting JOse Reyes and Beltran would be my dream
No Manny Acosta?
ken
July 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
HOT NEW RUMOR FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fregosi will not only be scouting Beltran tonight but hopes to get a look at Isringhausen and Parnell this weekend as well, this deal might get big and be all that we do!!
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
No Manny Acosta?
VJ would be thrilled! Manny is his favorite player! He loves him as much as Robert loves Bobby Cox!
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
How can I underestimate it? I know his stats. His sb% is awful (i.e. he costs u runs on the basepaths)
His career line is: .291 .339 .481
So his career ops is .821. And you want to give up 2/3 hot prospects and $20m for 2 years of this guy? Worst trade ever that would be. Wren obviously isnt considering it because he knows how stupuid it would be….luckily
I just responded to your comment that he’s not that good. Nothing about a trade
ChicagoBrave
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
You’re right, apologies.
—Couldn’t agree more with Don’t Trade Young Pitching.
ugaaccountant
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
I attended the AAA game yesterday where Minor “gave up” 6 runs. The scouts won’t have a problem with that game, as they were all 6 in one inning. There were 2 errors in the inning and some bloop hits. Nothing that would change their mind. In fact, Minor kept his head up and got through it pretty well so they will probably be pretty happy.
Also, I don’t care if Beltran used to play CF. I don’t think he’ll be viewed as a CF by the Braves. I just can’t make that logical leap when he’s not playing there for the Mets at all this year.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
Manny acosta. I could have a .400 OBP vs that guy. Just stand there and he will miss 4 out of 6.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
Pence is not worth $25M over 2 years. Corey Hart, a comparable player, got a 3-year deal for $26M. at a similar point in terms of service time as where Pence will be at the end of this year. And Hart was coming off of a monster power year (30 HR 100 RBI). Pence is not even on pace for 20 HR this year.
twoiron
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
Bob it is chipper’s decision to come back, not Braves
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
ChicagoBrave-
No worries. Lord knows I’ve done that once or twice
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
yup keeping Ramirez,Reyes,Davies,Chen,etc etc sure made a huge difference didn’t it ؟
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
How can I underestimate it? I know his stats. His sb% is awful (i.e. he costs u runs on the basepaths)
His career line is: .291 .339 .481
So his career ops is .821. And you want to give up 2/3 hot prospects and $20m for 2 years of this guy? Worst trade ever that would be. Wren obviously isnt considering it because he knows how stupuid it would be….luckily
I just responded to your comment that he’s not that good. Nothing about a trade
Its all relative then. He isnt even close to worth what he is due to be paid. And that would ignore the prospects.
Atr least beltran is a legit superstar. Althouh I dont want him either
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
No, Freemans nickname is Freeto not Big Baby.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
Fun time of the year.
Go Braves!
Again, Marteen no head first slides into home this weekend!!!!!!!!
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm
nolie, I didn’t even look up Beltran’s splits , truthfully. So, he probably OBPs about a gazillion against lefties.
The few times I’ve seen him this year against LHP, he’s looked kinda weak. I got some confirmation bias runnin’ here, LOL.
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm
I’d trade Minor for Beltran. I’d also pursue Marlon Byrd, who might be plucked from Chicago for less in return.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm
ncscoots
July 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm
nolie, I didn’t even look up Beltran’s splits , truthfully. So, he probably OBPs about a gazillion against lefties. The few times I’ve seen him this year against LHP, he’s looked kinda weak. I got some confirmation bias runnin’ here, LOL.
Is that you Fredi?
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm
Angel Pagan might actually make more sense for the Braves than Beltran.
noleeee
July 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm
he has pretty good career numbers against lefties, but this year not so much. though the S% part is still good the OBP is 291…which is still 30 points better than Gonzo this season
Powder Blue
July 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm
I still don’t get what the Braves front office sees in Schafer.
michael
July 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm
i would trade minor for beltran. Unlikely, but who knows maybe they win a world title with him and able to re-sign him.
who wouldnt trade minor for a world title? or Delgado for a world title? yeah its just one but one more than we’ve had in the last 15yrs. If you trade one pitcher or the other, you still have terehan, jurrjens, hanson, either minor/delgado, beachy, vizcaino. You have tons of pitching! Betran right now is a 100 times better than schaffer and heyward and a million times better than mcclouth. Go ahead and do it..scoring more gives venters,o’flahtery and kimbrel rest.
Blankster
July 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm
On another note – is anyone else starting to get annoyed with Fredi. He is hitting Gonzo 6th again. I mean what the hell?!?!?
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
July 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
Whoop,
My guess is that Beltran would not be replacing Schafer in center at all. He’d be sharing time with Heyward in RF, as well as providing insurance against a late season injury to Chipper, Prado, or Uggla. I think the brass feels like Schafer’s defense is important, and I agree. If we acquire Beltran, he won’t be playing every day, barring injury. Considering Beltran’s injury history, this might work out for all concerned.