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coachx
July 22nd, 2011
5:01 pm
How about JJ Hardy ?
29 year old SS who hits right handed and can hit left handed pitching. His offensive #’s are very similar to Beltran’s stats. Plus he is 5 years younger, plays a position of need, and is under contract for a several more seasons.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Definitely has the major potential to be a high risk/low reward situation.
High risk/low reward would be trading for a bad player with a spotty injury history. This is a high risk/high reward situation, because if he DOESN’T get hurt, Beltran is a great player (high reward). If he DOES get hurt, that’s the risky part (high risk).
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Heyward had a good nite last nite but that doesn’t mean anything, he has had good nites before but he is still batting .229.
whodatatl
July 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Carlos Beltran in 2008: 161 games,116 runs, 172 hits, 40 doubles, 5 triples, 27 HR’s, 112 RBI’s, 25 SB’s (not getting that this year though) .284 BA, 376 OBP, 500 SLG, .876 OPS.
He’s looking like that again this year minus the stolen bases. He’s looking pretty good.
NV 049
July 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Bad deal Minor for Beltran ..
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
coachx,
Hardy just signed a contract extension with Baltimore…don’t see them being willing to trade him so quickly after that, at least not for the price the Braves would be willing to pay.
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
don: comparing a trade (made by John Schuerholtz FYI) of 5 (3 of which were MORE highly prized than Minor) prospects for Tex and Mahay, to a deal staright up one palyer fro the other is incredibly obtuse. I hated the Wainwright deal at the time they did it. Marquis was a head case the whole time he was with ATL and has had only occasional success since. I would not take Marquis for any of our current starters other than to dump Lowe’s salary and Marquis is overpiad too. Morton was on the verge of having the Pirates give up on him until he finally made a break through this year. I am glad to see Charlie doing well, and I liked him and wouldn’t mind having him, but his peripheral stats suggest his success this season may not be sustaainable.
extremus
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
Most likely results of Minor for Beltran:
Braves get better for two months, and as we all know too well, the playoffs are a crapshoot of who’s healthy and/or hot at the right time. After that, Beltran leaves and the Braves have NOTHING to show for this trade (UNLESS they won the World Series; nothing less would be considered worth it).
Mets would acquire a yound pitcher who would immediately be one of their better starters, perhaps even a number 2 or 3 guy in the rotation, for years to come. He’d instantly make them a more dangerous team, and as a division rival he could give the Braves headaches throughout his career.
Bottom line here is, I think the Mets have much more to gain here than the Braves from this trade; the Braves actually have much more to potentially LOSE from it. NO DEAL, Frank Wren.
Columbus
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
Get Beltran under contract for 3 years….FIRST. But you know he will want to test the market so unless he agrees to sign and comes with at least a 3 year contract, FORGET IT!
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
I didn’t know JJ Hardy was available.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
Plus, there will be no need for Minor.
1.Hanson
2.JJ
3.Huddy
4.Lowe..maybe well see him back in 12′
5.Medlen will be back next season
6.Teheran will be up in 12′
7.Delgado a mid-season call up in 12′
8.Vizcaino..I think will be a long relief man in 12′
By the time JJ is traded (Boras client), Huddy is done, and Lowe is gone, Gilmartin should be pretty close. Minor can be moved and should be moved.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
WTF? The guy isnt good enough to make our rotation. In the future, there figure to be guys who jump over him for open rotation spots.
Robert, I agree. Of course, I was never all that high on him to begin with, either. Plus he doesn’t have the knockout-type of stuff that I could see burning us in the future.
extremus
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Young pitcher; sorry for the typo.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
“Hunter Pence is the answer”
It’s not that simple
Beltran is a reasonable answer
Pence is a better answer
Kemp would be an ideal answer
But you have to realize that Minor doesnt even come CLOSE to getting you Pence.
If you’re the Astros and you trade Pence ( a reasonably priced semi-stud) for Minor (a cheap guy who might be a decent starter) – your fan base rips your nads off
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Frankie – Nope, the only thing about the Phillies I was wrong about was how good their pen would be this year.
I never ever said they didn’t have a good team – what I DID say was that I didn’t think they were going to run away with the division and that the Braves were not as much out of the running as many seem to think.
I was right, too. The Mets only lost out to the Phillies at the very end for two years, last year the Braves lead a good bit of the year until injuries came home to roost and then this year they are anything BUT running away from everyone despite having that pitching staff most felt was the best ever (funny how close the Braves’ staff is to them, too).
I just never advocated calling ballgame in the winter or during Spring Training and conceding it all to the vaunted Phillies. But not respect them? Don’t be absurd..
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Hardy is not available. O’s just locked him up long term. I guess its still possible, but I doubt it.
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
If they cannot be signed for two years, leave them along, two more years and the Phillies will be old and have to start over, if we keep making stupid deals, quick fixes, we will be in the same boat.
Brad
July 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Lot of you guys cry too much about this two month rental thing. Do you want to win a World Series or not? Or do you want to be just competative for the next 6 years like we have always been. I like this trade Beltran will give us the best chance to win the World Series…that’s how I think. We have pitchers in the minors who can replace Minor. Plus 3 young studs already in our rotation. So come on lets go for the championship.
braveslifer
July 22nd, 2011
5:05 pm
“Referencing an earlier comment: there is no way Minor is a top 26 – 50 pitcher.”
You are wrong Glove 1. That comment was referring to prospects and how they are valued. Take a look at the following link and look at who is #37:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2011/2611328.html
Luke M
July 22nd, 2011
5:05 pm
“By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”
WHY?
Patrick
July 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
JJ Hardy is not, he just signed a 3 year extension
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
Once again, please stop throwing out names that have no business being in the conversation…
Span has as much a chance at being traded as I do…
Plus, he doesnt fix the issue as he’s left handed…same as the statement of Colby Rasmus…
C’mon guys….to get something you have to give something up….and staying put? Thats fine, but every year we continue to do that, Tommy Hanson, Jair Jurrjens, and the rest of the young crew get older, more expensive, and closer to free agency…
Its time to make a move and try to actually WIN a championship!
Sometimes risks are worth taking….this is that risk!
Ive seen some good points, so I will readjust the trade offer…
Beltran + Taylor Buchholz + Cash for Minor + Hicks + Clemens + Asencio
Buchholz simply because he dominates RHH and THAT is exactly what we need right now in the 7th inning area…
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
Re Pence – if you’re gonna trade a reasonably priced semi-stud, you’re gonna have to get a guy who has a legitimate chance to be cheaper and even better
I mean – sure, I’d think it was great if we could find someone to trade us Fred McGridd for Donnie Elliott and Melvin Nieves every year, but you have to understand that most of the time the other team’s GM ISN’T high on crack at the deadline
tw3a
July 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
we don’t need a mets hand me down to win, KEEP MINOR
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
RC – I’d say that the chances of him getting hurt are huge – especially based on the past couple years.
Yes, anyone can get hurt at any time, but with Beltran’s history, the odds are astronomical – especaially having him play a position that will stress those knees even more.
Glenn
July 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
Until the Braves get a new HittingnCoach, don’t waste a player like Minor for a 2 month rental. Look what happened with Lee and Gonzales when they came over; both of their numbers dropped dramatically. It’s just not worth the risk.
jeffrey d
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
Plus, he doesnt fix the issue as he’s left handed…same as the statement of Colby Rasmus…
Except they’re leagues better than Schafer and McLouth
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
The Braves front office has made some bad moves in the past, but Id rate their Scouting/Development probably 2 or 3 in all of baseball. I don’t think they really believe Schafer is a long term solution. He’s a career .250 hitter in the minor leagues. They know the numbers.
BravePack
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
P-Town
Where the heck ya been?
How was MITB?
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
Just to give an idea of the type of prices for players on the trade market, I just saw this note:
“Kansas City is asking for a number three starter who’s nearly Major League ready in return for [Melky] Cabrera.”
Basically, KC is looking for a Mike Minor type player for Melky freakin’ Cabrera. If that’s the going rate on the trade market, Minor for Beltran is a steal.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
PTon – Could I interest you in some Credit Default Swaps? There’s risk and then there’s risk.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:09 pm
Brad- spot on man. This team is good, this could be a great season with a big addition. Chipper comes back healthy, add a Beltan or Pence, pray like crazy and roll the dice. Mike Minor I will recall fondly as a guy who helped us win a World Series in 2011.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:09 pm
““By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”
I mustve missed something. Did he just get on the Greyhound to Greenville?
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
BP-
Money in the Bank was amazing! I’ll be posting some great pics and video on FB pretty soon from the event….
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
For the record: I’d prefer Pence to Beltran, but I’d do the Beltran trade if Pence isn’t available at the right price.
I would without heistation say that out of our first tier or near firts tier piching prospects, Minor is far and away the guy I’d be most willing to trade. It’s great to have a good LH starting pitching, but the Braves have amply demonstarted this year that it’s not a necessity, and Oberholtzer will liekly be ready by 2013 if not sometime in 2012.
ppaddy123
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
Yeah, but Chase Headley plays everyday! While his SLG is 30 points below Chipper’s, his OBP is 49 points higher. Did I mention he plays everyday?
Columbus
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
I do like Beltran being a switch hitter but with no contract it would be a HUGE risk. Too big to take. Wish they wanted Lowe and we ate some of the contract. Lowe’s contract is killing us. We could sign Beltran for a few years without it when the season is over without giving up Minor. Find someone else. Someone that will not be a rental for a possible quality starter for years to come for a rental player. I do not like this deal. I like he is a switch hitter a lot but we need him under contract if we give up Minor. Next deal please.
Missing Comments
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
Obviously, I haven’t been talking out of my … about Beltran. People in the organization must feel like it is at least a serious consideration.
If the Mets pay all of Beltran’s salary and you give up Minor, you have a bat for the stretch run and you gave up probably your weakest “upper level” pitching prospect. You still have Teheran, Vizcaino and Delgado. You still have Beachy, Medlin and Hanson. Beltran walks away and you owe him nothing after the season. You then hope that Heyward gives you the performance you expected this year from him. Freeman is another year older. Maybe even Schafer is better. Nate’s contract is gone. That frees up what…. 6-8 mil? If you move Lowe in the off season and can dump about half of his salary that frees up another 7 mil. Suddenly, you can be in the market for a 10 mil dollar bat if you want and use the leisure of the off season to decide who that will be. Actually you probably use some of that money to cover arbitration and/or projected payroll increases. (Thundersticks noted that KK’s salary will go away as well meaning another 5-6 mil off the books)
Pence will cost you a couple of top prospects. He is gonna make maybe 10 mil next year in arbitration and you are going to have to pay him for a couple of years at least. I don’t know if I believe I want to be on the hook for Pence at 10-12 mil for a couple of years.
The Mets didn’t play Beltran in Center because they thought they had a better option in Center. I’m sure they didn’t think his head or leg would magically fall off if he played Center! Seems like Beltran would be a servicable Center Fielder if need be. Good gosh the Braves played Omar freakin Infante in center on numerous occasions the last couple of years! I think Beltran can handle it.
Could Beltran be injured in the next couple of months? Sure he could but so could Chipper, Prado and Heyward. I don’t think Steven Drew planned on breaking his leg but he did. Injuries are unpredictable but so far this year Beltran has played healthy.
The Beltran move makes the most sense to me.
OMRebel
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
We will be competative for the next 6 years with or without Minor or Beltran. Still I wouldn’t trade Minor for a rental player not named Kemp
Doc Holliday
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
I still this team is good enough to make some damage with what they have.
Having Beltran would be awesome, Schafer on the bench to pinch run……….that would be something.
Minor, I have never liked, but I think Braves could get a better young position player for Minor and not a 1 year rental.
What is clear to me is that this offense is starting to hitter better (at least it feels so), and Having Beltran would put us over the top immediately.
Having Minor as a backup plan in case anyone hits the dirt during the final 2 months, is not solid, he has not been good at all as a starter.
I would go for Gomes instead of “helping” the mets with pitching.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
Whatever- The heat has affected y’all’s brains.
Let’s trade Minor for that two month rental and then when November rolls around, we can go trade a couple other of our pitching prospects to deal with the same exact freaking situation going forward. Let’s spend our prospects twice for the same thing – in a three month period. Makes perfect sense.
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
Heyward doesn’t look enthusiastic most of the time, I heard yesterday the Braves were discussing internally about sending him to AAA to work his problems out, and lo and behold he had a very good game. Maybe Beltran trade would really light Jason’s candle?
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
“Basically, KC is looking for a Mike Minor type player for Melky freakin’ Cabrera. If that’s the going rate on the trade market, Minor for Beltran is a steal.”
Thank you. A voice of sanity
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm
Lew- going to be deja vu all over again this year. We can still win this division as is and overtake the Phillies if neither team makes a splash. I will take their big 3 over our big 3 in a 7 game series though. We need a little something, and it’s not Jonny Gomes.
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm
Minor and Shafer if necessary for Bourn, if we don’t have to give them Shafer send him to Gwinette, release McOut and call up Gartrell for 4th outfielder
extremus
July 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm
The issue here isn’t whether Mike Minor will be good enough to be in the Braves’ rotation with all of the other great pitching and prospects (Jurrjens, Hanson, Medlen, Beachy, Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado, etc) they have right now; it’s a given that there’s a logjam here. The issue is that MLB-caliber pitching is something that many other teams covet and DON’T HAVE in abundance, so the Braves would be MUCH better served by ignoring rental players like Beltran and capitalizing on that need from some team that might give them a long-term position player/prospect who could be a serious impact guy. Frankly I think they could sit back and let those teams come to THEM; by all rights it’s the Braves who are in the driver’s seat here, and they should make deals accordingly, not as if they’re desperate. I realize the temptation to go for Beltran is strong because he MIGHT help us win a championship THIS year, but think ahead should we get somebody good who’s with the Braves at least a few years longer…I like long-term repeat opportunities as opposed to a one-shot uncertainty; we should know that well from what happened after the trade for Texiera.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Lew-
Thing is, any of the players could get hurt tomorrow…just look at Schafer, Uggla, Chipper, Prado, Heyward….shall I go on?
Beltran outside of being sick has been healthy most of the year…and would be worth the slot in the lineup…because as I said before, this team has as good a shot at tanking in September and not even making the playoffs as they do making them…
Adding Beltran leads me to believe that it would change much of the lineup by doing so…there’s not much more I can say there than I feel its well worth the risk if its Minor + less
rob from sc
July 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Any Pence deals begins with Delgado/Vizcaino and Minor
Do itttt
July 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Trade Minor for Beltran. Move Prado from LF to SS and release Gonzo. Best line-up for the bravos!
rob from sc
July 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Say no to Michael Bourn
k483
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
It seems this is more of a statement of no-confidence in Chipper’s ability to finish the season. Move Prado into 3B permanently, and you have a platoon outfield.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
Y’all have lost your sanity.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
Lew,
Define “huge” chance of Beltran getting hurt. I personally think that on the Braves the chance of a “big” injury (meaning he’s not playing at nearly full capacity in the playoffs) at less than 20%. That is relatively high, but I think there are a number of factors that will help him out:
1. He’s not been playing CF all year, he’s been playing RF. It’s been easier on his legs to this point, even if he does play some CF for Atlanta.
2. Atlanta has a big enough wild card lead, and enough extra OF, to give Beltran a day off here and there to keep him healthy (similar to how we’ve had to treat Chipper for the past few years).
3. He won’t have the Mets medical staff working on him. The importance of this point cannot be overstated. The Mets medical staff has a TERRIBLE track record, and not just with Beltran. Jose Reyes, Ike Davis, Jason Bay, David Wright, even back to Ryan Church they have had issues.
4. He doesn’t have to stay healthy for a full season….you are counting on just a couple of months. The shorter the time period, the few chances for that big injury to occur.
FairBrave
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
Do we know what teams all the scouts were from last night watching Minor? He must have known they were watching him. He had one of his worst nights pitching. Gave up 6 runs.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
“Let’s trade Minor for that two month rental and then when November rolls around, we can go trade a couple other of our pitching prospects to deal with the same exact freaking situation going forward”
No. You’re worrying about 2012 at the wrong time
Let’s trade Minor for Beltran because that gives us a darn good shot to win it all in 2011
It’s time to go all-in on THIS hand. And when you are all-in on this hand, it aint the time to be worrying about the next time the button comes around
MLB
July 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
NO, NO and NO again!!!!!!!!!!
Doc Holliday
July 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
Betran?
Please dont forget that we have a 5 solid hitters right now to make us dangerous (Prado, Chipper, Freddie, Mc and Uggla) Why in the world would you go for Beltran? I still think Schafer will continue to improve, so will JH. Its a matter of time.
Trade Minor during off season for some young SS stud or CF, that is better for this team.
braveslifer
July 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
I agree with Lew. Trading for Minor for two months of Beltran is an overpay and does not directly solve a need. There is no way he plays CF and once Chipper gets back he will just take ABs away from Prado and Heyward. We need a CF with a high OBP perferably a RH one. Why not get exactly what we need if we are going to trade a gem (Minor)?
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
RC – He missed more than half of last year with knee pronblems. He missed half of 09 with knee problems. What makes you think it’s a stretch to believe that they’ll stay healthy when they aren’t by any stretch of the imagination.
And to answer someone else above, yes, the Mets though Pagan would be a good replacement in center – they were wrong and still haven’t moved Beltran there because of his knees.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
Trade Minor during off season for some young SS stud or CF, that is better for this team.
Yeah, those guys are available all the time for 4th starters….
The Jurenovich Report
July 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
For all those who say the Braves don’t show their hand, dont be naive. We showed our hands last year before we got D.Lee and also before we got Tex. If it’s being talked about more than likely Wren is close to pulling the trigger.
Although, I would much more prefer a SS who plays decent defense with average to above average offense as we currently have one that plays outstanding defense yet horrid offense. Each good/great team has one position in the lineup that is basically allocated by someone who is known more for their defense than their offense. Right now, at 100% health, we would have two in Gonzalez and Schafer and I would much rather prefer the latter if I could choose between the two.
space monkey
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
By all means let’s do Minor for Beltran. Minor has middling stuff at best. He’s not Wainwright. I don’t think he’ll ever be a solid MLB pitcher. Look at the way Beachy ate his lunch and that’s on a team that desperately needs a Lefty in the rotation.
BFChris26
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
P-Town Brave ©
How hot was the crowd for CM Punk? This storyline is amazing right now.
rob
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
Brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
Trade Heyward, Lowe and Gonzalez (or Pastornicky/Lipka if the Mets want a prospect) for Reyes and Beltran.
Reyes – Prado – Beltran – McCann – Chipper – Freeman – Uggla – Schafer would be pretty sick. Still would have Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson, Beachy, and bring on Teheran.
Trade Heyward for two about to be free agents? What are you smoking? Can you please share it with the rest of us.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
“UNLESS they won the World Series; nothing less would be considered worth it”
Wrong. The legitimate chance to win the WS is well worth it.
You’re playing the World Series of Poker – You guys are saying that you’re never gonna be willing to go all-in unless they hand you the bracelet right then and there.
it just doesnt work that way
Parker
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
I say make the deal, Beltran may not be a 2 month rental, if Chipper retires we could use his money to sign Beltran to play left when Prado moves to third, if Schafer progresses then we would have a nice outfield next year with Beltran, Schafer and Heyward. Prado, Uggla, Freeman and McCann, what a line up.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Doc Holliday
July 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
Betran?
Please dont forget that we have a 5 solid hitters right now to make us dangerous (Prado, Chipper, Freddie, Mc and Uggla) Why in the world would you go for Beltran?
Maybe because he’s a better hitter than all of them?
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Also, for the record, I’m not interested in any deal for Michael Bourn, at all. He is a good player, albeit with absolutley NO pop at all. I just don’t thinkhe fits with what ATL needs.
rpidge
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Please don’t get a rental player. Pence would be my choice if you don’t have to sacrifice the ranc;h.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Lew-
How so?
Just because Im not Bill “kiss the prospects @ss” Shanks doesn’t mean Ive lost my sanity…
Tell me where Minor fits on this team going forward…
Next year:
With Lowe:
-Jurrjens
-Hudson
-Hanson
-Lowe
-Beachy
-Medlen
-Teheran
-Delgado
Seems to my math skills that we’re way ahead of the game in pitching and thats even if we manage to deal Lowe in the off-season and if Medlen doesnt bounce back 100%
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Lew- sorry I want to sit at a table of high stakes texas holdem card game with you. Thinking your tells would be easy to spot.
Columbus
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Schaefer has not had much of a minor league career and he was injured for 2 years so the jury is still out if Schaefer is a long term solution. He has speed going for him and the Braves are in desperate need for that. Average is not the most important thing. It is OBP and runs scored for a leadoff man. Not avg as much and certainly not rbi’s. OBP and runs scored. So if Schaeffer keeps progressing on his current path and changed approach at the plate, he still has a strong shot. I have been impressed with his approach and productivity since being called up. Many players would have been defeated and never the same when they made the team and had such a hard time at the plate. He sought advice and actually listened to it and so far it is working in my mind. Next year will say a lot. This year he has showed what he needed to. He could not have done much better.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Robert- The situations are co dependent when you’re dealing with a mid market team low on cash and strong on prospects – THEY are your cash.
Why would you pay for anything twice if once would do it? Makes no sense at all.
smyrnabob
July 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Braves really need a long term solution in center sometime. When the Chipper contract comes off the books, they can finally move on.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
Lew,
There are multiple factors in place this year that were not in place in previous years that would contribute to protect Beltran’s knee. We’ve also go to assume that before any trade is consumated the Braves medical staff will do their due diligence on Beltran’s current medical state.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
Every source has the Braves listed as a interested team regarding Beltran and everyone here is insane.
Rudy
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
schafer, minor, Delgado, Betancourt for Bourne and Hunter Pence…..I TAKE THAT IN A HEARBEAT!!!!!!!
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
Frankie – I’m not stupid enough to be at that table to begin with – especially if I have no cash like the Braves.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
BFC26-
CM Punk chants in the concourse…
CM Punk chants during the dark match…
CM Punk chants during the opening intro…
CM Punk chants during the womens title match….
Biggest CM Punk chant when he came out…was deafening in the arena…
Need I say more
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
Please don’t get a rental player. Pence would be my choice if you don’t have to sacrifice the ranch.
And there in lies the problem. In order to get a guy like Pence, who would be under our control for longer, we would have to give up a lot more then we would for a short term guy like Beltran…
Marc Spoor
July 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
Hey DOB…
What if the Braves trade for Michael Bourn, and then move Schafer to left field. Mclouth can be the fourth outfielder. Then you don’t have to give up on Schafer, and it gives you a ton of speed at the top of the order, and great defense in the field.
What do you think?
Marc
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
I don’t think Minor will ever pull in anything better than Beltran. Even if Beltran will be a rental. Minor is blocked in this organization anyway, might as well get it while the gettin’s good, as my friends from Swamp People would say.
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
With Beltran in the lineup the Phils might do something that backfires on them, like some of our past mistakes haunted. Sounds good to me. MAKE THE TRADE!!!!!
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
Wow. This would be a terrible trade. Let’s give away one of our prized prospects to a division rival for a guy made of glass? For two months? Please. That’s absolutely stupid.
We need Bourn. Who cares if he’s a lefty? He’d be an instant upgrade over Jordan and Nate in center and at the top of the order. Jordan Schafer is not good. Apparently I’m not seeing what Braves officials are seeing in him.
Minor + Schafer + prospect = Bourn.
Besides, Bourn is under control for next year as well.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
cabravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
Please don’t get a rental player. Pence would be my choice if you don’t have to sacrifice the ranch.
And there in lies the problem. In order to get a guy like Pence, who would be under our control for longer, we would have to give up a lot more then we would for a short term guy like Beltran…
Exactly. Plus his career averages aren’t worth $10-12MM a year in arb, especially away from Houston.
Glen W
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
I don’t why anyone views Minor as our most tradable young pitcher of the 4 that get the most press. He is the most major league ready right now. That’s a pretty big part of the assessment.
New York will not get a Mike Minor caliber player from anyone else, so why should we give that up. Have you all been watching the last few years? Teams don’t move top prospects for rentals anymore. Look at what little the Phillies gave for Oswalt last year. And they are going to get several years out of him.
Why should we give up more than that to get 2 months of Beltran?
Also, did you notice that Wren negotiated prospects from Toronto in the Yunel/Alex deal? This inidicates that he pays attention to the commodity aspects of these deals.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
Doc Holliday, no Chipper does not make you dangerous right now he has just been pushed back on his rehab, still on the DL pal.
This team is in a pennant race with a huge need for a bat.anyone that thinks the likes of Schafer, McLouth, Gonzalez, and most of the time Heyward will suffice into October is absolutely having too many early afternoon cocktails!
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
Frankie – Yep, pretty much – but not everyone – there’s been quite a few believing a Beltran deal is not the best way to go.
And maybe the interest is feigned so the Phillies are forced to deal for a battered, often injured player so the Braves don’t get him.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
rpidge-
THAT in lies the issue…
Braves dont have the constant cash flow for a Pence for the next 2 years (after this one) given the arb raises he will receive
AND
Braves would have to start w/ either Teheran or Delgado AND then add a Minor AND then add a Lipka type and then….
Basically put, think Teixeira trade bounty…
Worth it? Not sure since we’d have multiple years of Pence…
BUT I think the odds stack better of 2 months for Beltran for Minor than 2 years 2 months of Pence for a big hefty bounty.
superiorblogman
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
We should pass on Beltran. This trade would be a lot like that horrible trade the Hawks made by giving up 2 1st round picks and taking on more salary for Kirk Hinrich and still did not get any further than they did the previous 2 years. Simply put if you give up anything of significance to get Beltran for the short term you have to basically win the world series in order to justify it. I believe we can win it all but I still would look for better long term options if I am going to give up long term solutions.
Reed Johnson
Marlon Byrd
Josh Willingham
Jeff Francouer
Nolan Reimold
Should all come a lot cheaper. Maybe we could just swap Nate McClouth for one of those guys.
Missing Comments
July 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm
The Astros are asking for multiple impact players in any deal involving Hunter Pence, according to Jon Heyman, Jayson Stark and Buster Olney. Pence earns $6.9MM this year and is due for a raise this offseason, when he could see his salary jump to the $10MM range. He’ll earn another raise for the 2013 campaign before hitting free agency that offseason. Here’s the latest on Pence, who is one of few impact hitters available
My point made better than I could make it.
Weezle
July 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm
Upton against lefties: 81 AB, .235/.357/.432
Beltran against lefties: 95 AB, .232/.291/.547
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm
“The issue is that MLB-caliber pitching is something that many other teams covet and DON’T HAVE in abundance, so the Braves would be MUCH better served by ignoring rental players like Beltran and capitalizing on that need from some team that might give them a long-term position player/prospect who could be a serious impact guy”
Wrong.
The issue is that this team has a legitimate shot to win it all. That’s not something that happens every day.
When it does, your priorities and your viewpoint all change, and everything else takes a back seat.
The error of not showing a sense of urgency in regards to a real opportunity – either because you feel confient the team will be back next year, or because you think the playoffs are just a crapshoot – that’s the exact reasons that the last time the Braves looked to be set up to be real good for a good long while, they ended up achieving exactly zero of note
This franchise had a chance to be great once before (twice actually) and hee-hawed in blissful ignorance as it passed us by on the way to New York – Please let’s not do it again.
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
Lew, people pay for the same thing all the time, if you are on vacation you rent a car while you are paying car payments and have a car sitting in the garage. Same concept. Renting is not always a bad thing, unless you overpay. Sometimes its cheaper to rent then buy, as in this case when the only cost is a pitcher that is not likely to make many more meaningful starts for the Braves.
You cite the fact there were 6 scouts there to watch him last night. Perhaps that has less to do with other teams level of interest and more with him being somewhat of an unknown or teams doing their due dilligence. Also those 6 coulda been from just 2 or 3 teams.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
Lew-
YES! Thats a great idea…lets let the Phillies get better
Booger Eatin' Frenzy
July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
“By all accounts, the Braves like the trajectory Schafer is on right now.”
WHY?
Braves officials are fans of low .OBP guys at the top of the order who have been suspended for PEDS… That’s my only guess.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
Glen W, bats are at a premium because teams have focused on developing young arms.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
Or watch them stumble when his knees are done for good.
space monkey
July 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
Beltran has 61 RBI, 15 HRs, and a .315 BA against LHP. Do we really want to let that be added to the Phils lineup, which is already more potent than ours? Beltran’s bat would do an awful lot to equalize Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels. And does anyone really believe that Minor will be great?
coachx
July 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm
JJ Hardy is definately not being shopped but if we are offering a former 1st rounder who is also a left handed starter it would get alot of teams attention.
I just do not want a guy on the last year of his contract who would probably not be in the Braves future plans.