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whodatatl
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
I’d take the deal. Minor is not proven, and Beltran has got what we need. He’s only had 2 years where he’s played under 100 games and in 2009, he played 81 and was hitting .325. I’d take that over McClouth’s average and 160 games any day.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
Schafer is NOT the future. I think the Braves know that, but they’re acting like they’re high on him to raise his stock some.
I totally disagree. Not with the first sentence, but with the idea that the Braves know that. They think he’s developing into a lineup fixture for years to come.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
” a chance at someone who gives us TWO OR THREE shots at that WS and not a hobbled two month rental who reallly fills no need we have”
I absolutely agree – but you have to realize that a shot like that is going to cost you much more than someone who projects as a possible back of the rotation starter
To get that shot, you have to get over your fear that you might be trading another Wainwright
And make no mistake about it – I’d trade Wainwright for a WS title – over and over and over again
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
Ah looky here. Fredi said he doesn’t expect any offense out of the SS position, yet he continues to bat him up in the order. He’s been nothing but a rally killer. I guess Fredi FEELS like he’s been getting his hits. Remember, Fredi doesn’t actually know what his players are doing, he just closes his eyes and guesses. Helluva tactic.
Patrick
July 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
Jay Bruce is out of Reds lineup today.
That’s 1 big bat we won’t have to worry about
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
semiballcoach – exactly why I say do the deal IF we are making a run at the WS this year. If we don’t think we can do it this year, than don’t do it.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
RC – NO, I’m not certain that he can stay healthy for two months – I don;t want him at all. The issue I have with time is the price he’d cost for a two month rental – NOT that we won’t have him longer. I think Minor is worth more to teams than just a two month rental of a chronically injured player. One hundred eighty four missed games in the past 2.5 years.
And y;all gripe about how much Chipper misses.
iowa brave.
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
at least we are not talking about trading jj.
Wookie Ninja
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
now my head hurts!
David O'Brien
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
Josh, I’d have to think very seriously about doing Minor for Beltran. But I certainly wouldn’t trade Beachy, Teheran, Vizcaino or Delgado for him or for any short-term fix.
Richie
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
I agree with you as well, Lew.
wheelz007
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
If I had a vote, I’d say pull the trigger on the trade. Minor for Beltran. Even if it took an additional low-level prospect, I’d still do it.
It does 2 things:
#1 Makes our line-up a lot stronger, which improves our chances at the World Series.
#2 If we get him he’s not playing against us in a Phillies uniform down the stretch and/or in the playoffs.
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
If we give up Minor for two months of Beltran, its like Forrest Gump says,stupid is as stupid does. This is stupid, if we cant control someone for more than this year the hell with them. I would rather go to the dance with what I got. One of the reasons I am so exited about the Braves is the young pitching. Why do you think the Mets are willing to pay his salary for the rest of the year. The Rangers would not be where they are at if it was not for the Braves. I smell the same thing going on. Does getting Beltran put us in the WS, hell no. I would rather get Gomes and do the best we can, hope we get hot at the right time. The safest thing to do is keep Minor.
CrαZy
July 22nd, 2011
4:40 pm
move Prado over to SS?
I’m sorry but this made me laugh!!! MLB the Show Trainee right there!!
David O'Brien
July 22nd, 2011
4:40 pm
And it goes without saying that I wouldn’t trade Jurrjens or Hanson in the middle of a pennant race (just in case someone read my previous comment and wondered why I didn’t mentioned them).
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
Chatt Matt -
Quentin is not available…I think I heard the Braves already asked…
I’d do Minor, Clemens, and Mejia for Beltran….
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
DOBster, what do you think about Denard Span? Is he available?
Bobby Hill
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
Its hard to know if the recent praise of Schafer by Braves coaches is a smokescreen or real. I don’t see him as anything more than fourth outfielder / pinch runner. If you assume he’s not a long term answer in CF the the team will have two position to fill this winter, SS and CF. If the team wishes to upgrade offensively, it will have to be at one of those two positions. Minor is the team’s primary trade chip to fill one of those holes. If the team trades him not for a rental, what happens this winter?
Jim
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
When are Braves going to ban headfirst sliding or no play no pay?
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:42 pm
Lew, if we want to make a run at the WS this year than I think Beltran can help you get there. If you’re looking for a longer-term acquisition than don’t do it. But, if it’s management truly believes we have a legitimate shot at the series this year than Beltran is worth the gamble.
No one knows if he’s stay healthy. No one knows if Prado or Minors or anyone else will either. It’s a crap shoot. And, in my opinion, one worth taking.
STH
July 22nd, 2011
4:42 pm
I guess I could do the best thing and let Frank do his job without my opion, cause he has done very well for this team and we could go all the way now, muchless with some tweeking. I would love to see another horse in the pen! Sorry Belly tran but I hate any met. It is still hard to not hate Glavine to me, but I have to accept Glavine with his history here, not Belly boy.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:42 pm
Robert – I’m well aware that a Denard Span or Hunter Pence would cost more – quite possibly Minor AND Delgado and yes, I’d be willing to go for a deal that included those two IF we got a proven performer (which both of them are) under control for two or more years.
I’d even settle for some kind of deal with the Cubs for Marlon Byrd – a proven hitter with good BA, good OBP, some pop and decent to good defensive skills and he’s signed next year for what Nate is now.
Josh
July 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
Thanks Dob.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
1.Prado
2.Beltran
3.Chipper
4.Mac
5.Uggla
6.Freeman
7.Heyward
8.Gonzo
1.Bourn
2.Prado
3.Chipper
4.Mac
5.Uggla
6.Freeman
7.Heyward
8.Gonzo
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
Is that REALLY DOB or Carroll making comments???
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm
jch – Yes, he could help us get there IF he stays healthy and his track record is anything BUT indicative of that.
As for helping – so could Pence. So could Span. So could Byrd – at considerably less risk.
extremus
July 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm
It’s a no-brainer that it is ABSOLUTELY NOT WORTH giving up Mike Minor or any other prospect for a two-month mercenary rental. NO WAY, NO HOW.
Not only would that be stupid from a standpoint considering the time and effort the Braves have spent developing Minor and other young players; sending him to the Mets could likely make him a thorn in the BRAVES’ side for years to come. And for what, to (MAYBE, if EVERYTHING goes as hoped) get to the playoffs and World Series for this year just to have Beltran bolt for the “big money” at the end of the season, win or lose? No, Frank Wren…just…NO!!!! Either you get something significant for the long-term in return or you should stand pat. EXCLAMATION POINT!!!!
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:45 pm
Lew,
I never said it’s certain that Beltran stays healthy for the next two months. I said it’s much more likely that he does for two months than for two years, so your risk is somewhat mitigated by the remaining length of his contract.
As for whether or not Minor is too high a price, I certainly can see your point that he is. I personally am not that sold on him, and I worry that his trade value may never be higher than it is now. I also think that if the Braves could get more for him, they certainly would. But the fact is that Beltran is among the top 3 hitters currently on the trade market, and he’s the only one on the trade market for this low of a price. While I’d love Hunter Pence, I don’t think the upgrade between him and Beltran is worth giving up Randall Delgado, which is probably the additional cost between the two. When combined with the fact that acquiring Beltran would block Philly and San Fran from filling their biggest need, I think it’s a solid move to make.
Although I’d be much happier if it turns out that all this trade talk between the teams has really been about Reyes instead of Beltran (I know, not gonna happen….)
jch
July 22nd, 2011
4:45 pm
Lew – and at a considerably higher cost….
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:46 pm
And they are all much better CF options than Beltran. The Mets rarely make the right decisions and even they realized he couldn’t stay healthy and play CF at the same time.
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
If that’s what it truly boils down to: Minor for Beltran, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Minor is (at least mostly)superfluous to the Braves’ future plans. It could sting a little this year possibly if the Braves need a spot start, but I think it is worth that risk.
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
If that’s what it truly boils down to: Minor for Beltran, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Minor is (at least mostly)superfluous to the Braves’ future plans. It could sting a little this year possibly if the Braves need a spot start, but I think it is worth that risk
don
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
These same idiots who filled their pants in anticipation of Drew and Teixeira are the same ones swooning over Beltran. Don’t they ever learn? The Braves, at best, finish second to Philadelphia and win the wild card with or without Beltran. Someone said that, with Beltran, the Braves have the best lineup in baseball. Who believes that? Surely, you people are smart enough to know better than that.
If Wren makes this trade, I will have to quit referring to him as an idiot. His level of intelligence won’t even approach idiot level.
Don’t you people ever learn? Rentals add nothing- at least nothing for the Braves.
Bawlmer Brave
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
It’s not just the “in a vacuum” concept of Minor for Beltran. It’s also the fact that THIS year Beltran wouldn’t be playing for the Phillies or Giants in the playoffs either. We’ve got great pitching, and more arms in the cupboards. I think he gives us the edge for THIS year’s WS, which is sufficient for me for a player of Minor’s caliber. With the Mets picking up his salary, it takes away the financial impact for this year. Yes, it sucks to NOT get any draft pick comp for him at the end of the year, but deals have to have incentive for both parties.
Tomas
July 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
Other than Bobby Parnell, and Jason Isringhausen who I would think are not available, I don’t really like anybody else from they’re bullpen for ATL.
If the Mets cover most of Beltran’s salary then ATL could deal for a solid reliever like Michael Wuertz.
Nick
July 22nd, 2011
4:48 pm
Do the deal. Minor will never be an effective MLB pitcher.
Eddie in bam
July 22nd, 2011
4:48 pm
Beltran would platoon some w/Heyward depending on Heywards hitting. This would also provide rest for Beltran(less chance of injury) and I think you have to consider his entire stats because he would have plenty of PA against righties also.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
One other point about Beltran. He doesn’t HAVE to play everyday for the rest of the season. The Braves have a large enough lead, and enough options in the OF, that they can afford to rest him on a regular basis for the remainder of the regular season. In the postseason the off days are MUCH more frequent than they are in the regular season, at that point he can be relied upon every day and put the Braves in a great position to make a strong run in the playoffs.
rico43
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
The even divide between trade him and you’re crazy tells me that this is a valid possibility. There are pros and cons, but one thing you don’t want is Beltran trying up a lot of money beyond this year. I was talking in terms of doing the deal, but if it’s true that Beltran has a clause in his cotract that he could not be offered arbitration (and thus get two draft picks as a Type A), then I say he’s not worth it.
But, boy, is it a close call.
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
So we shuffle Gearrin and Martinez back and forth from minors to majors, yet somehow Proctor keeps on whistling past the graveyard. Unreal. Gearrin at least gets out righties.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
Problem is guys, this team as currently constructed is not going to get us any further even if we get to the playoffs…
Add Beltran to that lineup and it makes us 10x more dangerous because it removes a hole while making it much more difficult for an opposing pitcher to navigate the lineup…
Everyone does realize Carlos would instantly have the 2nd highest batting average, 2nd most RBI on the team and 3rd most HR right?
We need to strengthen the lineup or we’re not going anywhere….cant ride the pitching for as long as we’ve had w/o some serious letdowns.
historyman
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
No rentals for a solid young starter.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
“To me it comes down to whether management wants to make a wholehearted run at the WS THIS season.”
Well said.
So – is there some reason to think that the Braves cant make such a run?
They have the fourth best record in the big leagues. More than that, in the NL, there’s noone but us and Philly. I’m sorry, I just dont think San Fran or Milwaukee are that good.
The team I’d be most afraid of would actually be Pittsburgh – a team that has no business being there and nothing to lose would be mighty loose – but I just dont see them being able to hang around all the way to the end
And as someone said, we came really close to beating the World Champions last season despite some roster issues (and an idiot manager)
This team has a more legitimate shot at winning it all than any Braves team since 1969
historyman
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Now, if they want to through in a top prospect as well, then that’s another story.
Patrick
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
DOB, I’d have to say that: Medlen, Teheran, Vizciano and Delgado are all as good or better options that Minor. Besides him being left-handed and also the fact that they’ll be trading in the division. I wouldn’t think twice about this move
Also! Which relievers do you see the Braves going after?
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Referencing an earlier comment: there is no way Minor is a top 26 – 50 pitcher.
HuffBraves
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
To all those (wishfully) thinking the Mets will take McLouth: ain’t gonna happen. They clearly are not playing for this year, and no way they or anyone would pick up his option for ‘12.
A much more likely second piece (in addition to Minor), in my opinion: Brandon Hicks.
Mets VERY short on second basemen, and SS if Reyes leaves. Hicks major-league ready with decent upside.
FairBrave
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
One thing we must think about, who will be the 4th outfielder. I think it would be Schafer but does Mclouth and Ramirez have any options left or do we just release them. I have started liking Ramirez.
I don’t think you will see Beltran play any one position. He would lay RF when lefty pitches, play LF when Chipper needs day off and play CF once or twice a week.
The Jurenovich Report
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Why in the hell is Alex Gonzalez batting 6th again? I cannot wait until we get our regulars back so we can finally shove him back in the 8 hole.
Bawlmer Brave
July 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Good points about rest, RC.
PMC
July 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
Is it wrong to see this “rental” as a plus?
I don’t want 7 years of Beltran for that much money, but a 2 month rental for a pitching prospect of which we have plenty?
Sign me up.
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
July 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
Trade Minor for Heath Bell and Mike Adams
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
One hundred and eighty four missed games the past 2.5 years. You have to pray he stays healthy.
Y;all are really grasping at straws.
Keep the Phillies from acquiring him? Do you see them inking a deal for Carlos? If they really wanted him, y;all seriously believe that they wouldn’t have already signed him?
glove51
July 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
Patrick: and Hoover and Oberholtzer are likely to be close to as good as Minor at the very least.
Train Wreck Bystander
July 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
The article makes it clear to me that there are too many cons with Beltran for Minor:
(1) We get Beltran for 2 months and change. What happens if he catches whatever Uggla had in the spring?
(2) We lose Minor to a rival and would not only be without his services, but would be facing him for years to come.
I just can’t get behind this sort of trade. Maybe I could get behind it if we had a chance of having Beltran next year.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
This team has a more legitimate shot at winning it all than any Braves team since 1969 – Robert
I totally agree with the rest of your post, but this sentence seems a bit out of place. The Braves had a VERY legit shot during most of the 90s, especially the early-mid 90s.
brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
Beltran for Minor seems about right – it will hurt but will give us a bat we sorely need. If the Braves are indeed considering trading Minor, I would bet Wren is doing his due diligence and seeing what other teams might give him for Minor before sending him to NY
don
July 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
Tell me, glove51, did you also surmise that Feliz, Harrison, Andrus, Wainwright, Marquis, and Morton were “superfluous” to the future plans of the Braves. If that was the case, can we conclude that they were just a bit mistaken. As they say, “stupid is as stupid does”. Braves management and those who support these trades are stupid. The evidence is overwhelming, don’t you think?
the truth...
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
If they believe Minor will grow to be a stud, then there is NO WAY they should RENT Beltran…..
PERIOD, PERIOD….
We don’t need a RENTAL…..not for our young arms….
Remember Adam Wainwright? Now look at Morton in Pittsburgh….he brought us McLouth…how’s that working out for us now????
Come on Wren…. you know better than that…
I hope the Mets are just using us to drive up the price of Beltran….
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Excuse me – traded for him. The point remains the same.
Y’all are just acting desperately for ANYONE you view as being even a tiny amount better than what we have.
brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
if the Braves take on salary maybe they get a prospect in addition to Beltran but if I were the Braves I would rather the Mets eat a lot of salary
coachx
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Most Braves fans are OK trading Minor.
Where most Braves fans are not OK is trading him for a guy with only 1 year left on his contract like Beltran. I’m OK trading our former 1st round pick but I expect a player who we will be a Brave for longer then 3 short months.
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Don’t think that by getting Beltran it will keep the Phillies from filling their needs, they will get someone, money talks.
a fan
July 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
those who ignore the lesson of history are doomed to/ repeat the same mistakes. (No more rentals for blue chip prospects) It took us two years to get over the Texas deal.Feliz, Harrison, Andrus, Salty.
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
Brilliant post, don. You’re right- Teixeira added nothing to the Braves while he was here. It wasn’t that four starting pitchers all went down in the same season. Nope, it was Teixeira’s fault.
Beltran is the only real difference making bat on the market. It’s not like this year is an anomaly either- his last five years he’s at .283/.375/.521/.896. The man is an on-base machine with loads of power. Anybody who thinks he doesn’t improve this offense immediately is crazy. Put Prado or Heyward in CF when Chipper returns- guarantee you that the uptick in offensive production from Beltran vs. McSchafer would easily overcome the dropoff defensively.
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
Unless Chipper stays healthy and turns back the clock( I do think he plays a big part of us getting to the playoffs, but he won’t be 1999 Chipper) does everyone feel good beating the Giants and Phillies with a pickup like Gomes? I am sick of seeing teams clinch on our home field. Nice to be in the playoffs but can we maybe look at the big picture and think World Series? We give up Minor and lose Beltran in the winter, this team has needs but on paper a playoff team again next season. I saw Heyward being absolutely overwhelmed by the Giants staff last season. Freeman has been awesome in this season but good pitching can make him look like the rookie he is. It is very possible he struggles in the postseason along with Heyward and Schafer. If lucky to get to the NLCS we probably play Philly. Halladay and Lee absolutely shut us down the series before the break. Playing 4 games in Philly will give them the edge. We need a stopgap right now, this season. Beltran gives you the edge. Again, somehow financially possible I would take Pence in a heartbeat as well. Get one of these guys and target a World Series. Freeman, Heyward, McCann, Prado, Hanson, Jurrjens, Teheran, Vizcaino, Venters and Kimbrel insure a pretty good future after Beltran and Minor leave,
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
Keep the Phillies from acquiring him? Do you see them inking a deal for Carlos? If they really wanted him, y;all seriously believe that they wouldn’t have already signed him? – Lew
I don’t understand this statement. Are you saying the Phillies would have signed him as a FA 6 years ago? Or are you saying they would have already traded for him? (Not trying to be a jerk…seriously just trying to understand)
Chop Chop
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Can’t leave all those arms without a home. At some point, you’ve got to move some of these kids. You’ve got to cash in these chips. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of those kids leave next season at the deadline. Why? That’s what an organization who apparently has a damn good clue about producing young starting pitching should do. You keep the guys you like the most and move the rest before their value diminishes.
frank wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Hunter Pence is the answer. He can play any outfield postion and is having a terffic season and he isnt a rental. Trade Minor, Betancourt and one of our many shortstop prospects for him and we make it to the world series. He can play any outfield postion. Giving Heyward a break some days and he can even take some of the load off Chipper cause he can play left and we can move prado in to play 3B. He has even play CF in his time with the Astors
originalatlbravefan
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Pence, Span and Byrd could be less of a risk health-wise than Beltran, But they are a bigger risk for the playoffs because we don’t what they will under the heat of playoff pressure. We know what Carlos can do! trading a minor league starting pitcher when you are stacked at SP both in majors and minors is worth a shot at World Championship. That’s what you play for. That’s why we keep drafting SP because they are huge assets in trades. Long shot to win one with our line-up as is. DO IT! If after trading him we don’t win it and he walks… so what. We are still stacked at starting pitching for years to come.
Bill Stanfill
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Batting averages of current outfield:
Schafer .236
Heyward .229
McLouth .225
Batting average against left-handed pitching:
Schafer .190
Heyward .173
McLouth .163
Of course, the Braves need to trade for a RH outfielder. Heyward seems to be getting his timing back, and there’s no doubt that injuries have hampered his performance. Schafer brings a lot to the table. Nate is at best a 4th or 5th outfielder who seems to be just what he is–a .225 hitter and a solid defensive outfielder.
And when Chipper returns, Prado returns to LF and the Braves essentially add a RH bat. But Chipper’s return is, as it has been for years, full of uncertaintly.
The Mets, if they’re actually asking for Minor, are asking a lot. I believe someone like Gomes with his strong performance again lefties would be adequate–and much cheaper.
I say hold off on this Beltran-Minor proposition. Maybe the Mets’ asking price will go down. I suspect it will. And there are cheaper, satisfactory alternative. And remember, the Braves also need a relief pitcher.
the truth...
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
Minor in the NL East will come back to haunt us long after the sore kneed Beltran is gone…since we won’t have money for him anyway…
Please
NO DEAL…..
this will be the best deal you DON’T MAKE !!!
ppaddy123
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
I sill say the Braves need a 3B and not an OF. Emilio Bonifacio and Chase Headley are both on poor teams and wouldn’t cost us what Beltran would. Thay have also both played in 89 & 92 games respectively.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
And who says if we got Beltran he’d play CF anyways?
Granted Schafer is injured now, but JHey has been a stiff most of the year and Chipper has been hurt and Uggla is now hurt…
Let Prado do what he does best…play everyday but in different spots.
Ex. There’s generally 5 games a week.
Prado plays 2 games at 3b, 2 games in LF, 1 game at 2b…and he could even spell FF at 1b if necessary…
This could keep Schafer in the lineup and you could play Beltran in LF and RF and keep him rested as well…besides, Heyward so far this year has shown he needs days off against LHP anyways.
B-rad Bravesfan
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
If the Braves are going for it all this year they have to have an impact bat. What we don’t need is another .220 hitter (like BJ, Ludwick, Gomes). Beltran is raking this year and Heyward isn’t. Don’t get hung up on Heyward’s hometown hero appeal. So far he’s nothing special, though I think he’ll be there soon. A good example for him to follow would be a great veteran like Beltran. Let Heyward spell the veteran when he’s tired. A little bench duty might do him some good.
Patrick
July 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
The Jurenovich Report: You should really ease up on Gonzalez, he’s……AHH, who the hell am I kidding. He should be batting 9th!
JT Grace
July 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
The ONLY way that I would trade Minor for Beltran is if the Mets also included Bobby Parnell as the RH reliever that the Braves desperately need. At least they would not be trading Mike for a rental player only. Parnell has at least 2 – 3 more years of team control left.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
coachx – Exactly!!!!!! Trade Minor – go for it – but let’s get something more in return. There were six teams watching him last night and he’s the name most mentioned by other teams. No way in hell Beltran’s all you can get for him.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Screw it. Pull the trigger on Beltran. He really is a great hitter and were one big hitter away from an elite offense, I think. Switch hitter, FA year, currently hitting well, and maybe add some excitement from fans and players knowing the front office is going all in believing this team has what it takes (as if they didn’t already know). It would be a good move and while Minor is good, I don’t think he’ll be a Wainwright.
1.Prado
2.Beltran
3.Chipper
4.Mac
5.Uggla
6.Freeman
7.Heyward
8.Gonzo
Idk if that would end talks with Gomes, but if he came cheap, he’d be a nice bat off the bench. Id still like to see Omar back though.
P-Town Brave ©
July 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Ppaddy123-
Yeah, and those guys would both be <b?WORTHLESS to our team….
Headley has 2 HR this year….TWO.
Steve from OH
July 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Chop Chop–good stuff at 4:55.
RC
July 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Don’t think that by getting Beltran it will keep the Phillies from filling their needs, they will get someone, money talks.
Who will they get? There are no free agents until the offseason, and you can’t buy a player from another team, so money really doesn’t have any factor here. The only other player available who even comes close to filling the Phillies needs is Hunter Pence, and if they trade for him it will cripple the team for future years and/or they will have to give up a key piece of their current team (like Dom Brown). Beltran is pretty much the perfect option for them…take him off the table, and there isn’t a better player they could acquire.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
“Do the deal. Minor will never be an effective MLB pitcher.”
It doesnt MATTER is Minor is an effective major league pitcher.
This is shot at the big glory
Beltran would be a big addition to this team.
If we get him and the Braves win the World Series, I honestly couldnt care if Minor becomes Sandy Koufax for the Mets
As a baseball team and an organization, your goal is to win the World Series. That chance doesnt legitimately come around all that often. When it does, you can not afford to be timid
This situation we are in now is absolutely NOTHING like what what we were in when we traded for Texeira.
It is also not comparable to the Wainwright trade for Drew.
Those teams had no legitimate chance – with or without the star players they were trading for.
This team does.
Minor is one of our top five pitchers. And he’s not one of our top five prospects either.
Barring injury, he doesnt make the rotation today. And there are minor leaguers who project to take spots in future rotations ahead of him
It would be absolutely absurd to not trade him for a guy who could be the difference in a playoff run, for the fear that maybe he could be a rival’s fourth starter for a few years.
AB – surd
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
You said it right Don, Wren would not even be idiot level
Brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
Trade Heyward, Lowe and Gonzalez (or Pastornicky/Lipka if the Mets want a prospect) for Reyes and Beltran.
Reyes – Prado – Beltran – McCann – Chipper – Freeman – Uggla – Schafer would be pretty sick. Still would have Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson, Beachy, and bring on Teheran.
Archangel
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
Beltran has an 839 OPS against lefties this year. Make it happen!!
Frankie Wren
July 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
lew- I respect ya man but you have underestimated the Phillies 4 years running now. Season ends today they have the advantage and I would take them in 7 games winning in Philly. We need a bigger piece.
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
PTown – Yeah, tht would work IF Beltran stays healthy – and I sincerely wonder what makes any of y;all believe he will.
You lose him to those iffy knees and you not only no longer have the bat so many think is what we need, but you no longer have Minor as a trade chip.
Definitely has the major potential to be a high risk/low reward situation.
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
Schafer could be a defensive replacement/ pinch-runner and he could be used while Chippers out and when Chipper needs his days off. You’ll be losing some defensively with Beltran (not to mention gambling with his knee problems) but there is nowhere else for him to play when Chippers in the lineup.
OMRebel
July 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
Way too early to give up on Minor. I like Beltran a lot, and if there was a way we could hold onto him for 2 years then I would say “pull the trigger” on the deal and move Lowe for salary purposes.But this season is just a bonus of whats to come. We are loaded and I mean loaded with talent right now and as long as the world is still here in 2013, then the world series will be back in Atlanta for a number of years to come! Don’t do it.
Brian
July 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
Meant to add Minor in that deal above.
AtlYnkHtr
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Lew, perhaps the phillies do want him but the Mets have held onto him to see if other teams will give more?
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Whos to say Beltran will not get hurt again, I know hes playing for his next big payday, but we already have Chipper and Heyward
BAMA dude
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Lew
July 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
coachx – Exactly!!!!!! Trade Minor – go for it – but let’s get something more in return. There were six teams watching him last night and he’s the name most mentioned by other teams. No way in hell Beltran’s all you can get for him.
Name one who gives us a better chance at a ring this year. Just one. Future be damned in this case- Minor is expendable.
FairBrave
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
I think Wren wants Beltran now, but Mets holding off to see what other trades may pop up. Most trades will not happen until next Saturday or Sunday.
Robert
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
“No way in hell Beltran’s all you can get for him.”
WTF? The guy isnt good enough to make our rotation. In the future, there figure to be guys who jump over him for open rotation spots.
But somehow this guy is suddenly so good that expect to get more than an all-star caliber player who is having a Hall of Fame caliber year?
That is in frickin sane
Dennis Reynolds
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Remember what Renteria did for SF last postseason? I think Beltran is more than capable of changing this team into a contender, to the favorite.
JT Grace
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
DOB, when the Braves trade for an outfielder what happens to the current outfielders? Wilkin will be sent down when Chipper returns. That will leave the new guy, Schafer, McLouth, Prado, JHey, and Hinske as the outfielders. I’m guessing that one of McLouth or Schafer will go somewhere. Do they keep Schafer as the 4th outfielder and release McLouth, or do they send Schafer back to AAA and use McLouth as the 4th outfielder? My best guess is that Schafer goes to AAA until the rosters expand so that he can play every day.
Columbus
July 22nd, 2011
5:01 pm
For 2 months? NO WAY. Not for a YOUNG AND LEFT-HANDED pitcher who should be ready for the Bigs next year. NO WAY. NOT FOR 2 MONTHS. NO WAY.
Olereb
July 22nd, 2011
5:01 pm
Chipper and Heyward get hurt enough for the whole team