All-Star Braves like chances, trade or no trade
PHOENIX – With the All-Star game in the books, catcher Brian McCann and the Braves’ three All-Star pitchers caught a charter flight back to Atlanta late Tuesday, ready for a brief rest before getting back to serious business.
The second half.
The Braves are 3-1/2 games behind National League East leader Philadelphia and actually have a slightly better record than the Phillies since the third week of the season.
While the pitching-centric Braves would like to trade for an affordable right-handed bat, they don’t have a lot of money to spend and won’t mortgage the future by trading a slew of prospects for one player that wouldn’t be a guaranteed difference-maker that puts them over the top.
The Braves’ All-Stars liked their chances going forward, whether or not general manager Frank Wren makes any trades. They said the pending return of Martin Prado from the disabled list was the big key for them, followed by Chipper Jones’ expected return from the DL in about three weeks.
“Do we need a piece? That’s up to [Wren],” McCann said. “But as far as what we have here, we have, I think, the third-best record in all of baseball. We feel very comfortable where we sit today.”
The Braves’ 54-38 record gives them the third-most wins and fourth-best winning percentage (.587) in the majors, behind Philadelphia (.626), Boston (.611) and the New York Yankees (.602). Only the Red Sox (55-35) and Phillies (57-34) have more wins.
“We get back Prado and Chipper Jones, we should be good to go,” All-Star reliever Jonny Venters said. “I’m sure that there’s talk of maybe getting a right-handed bat or something like that, but I like where we were at the first half. If we stay healthy and continue to do the things we did in the first half, we’re going to give the Phillies a run for their money.”
Wilson’s special spikes
While recording the last two outs for a save in the NL’s 5-1 All-Star win, eccentric San Francisco Giants closer Brian Wilson wore a bright orange glove and cleats adorned with his face and famous beard.
Nike produced the cleats, which featured a hand-painted picture of Wilson’s face above the swoosh symbol on each shoe, set against an orange backdrop. After the game, Wilson showed them to reporters crowded around his locker stall – which was next to the stall of Braves reliever Jonny Venters.
Venters got to know Wilson in Phoenix and came away impressed. He said he picked the veteran’s brain for advice on pitching and game preparation.
Wilson was just one of the many NL teammates that made Venters’ first All-Star experience something he said he’d never forget.
“I was just kind of sitting at my locker today looking around, taking it all in,” the Braves left-hander said. “I was in awe of the whole thing.”
Halladay got NL started
McCann was replaced after four innings and thus didn’t get to catch the Braves’ three pitchers – Venters, Jair Jurrjens, Craig Kimbrel — in Tuesday’s game, but enjoyed receiving a splendid array of pitches from Phillies ace Roy Halladay.
Halladay started for the NL and worked two perfect innings with one strikeout, becoming the first starting pitcher to retire the first six batters in an All-Star game since Roger Clemens in 2001.
“I also caught him last year [in the 2010 All-Star game],” McCann said. “It’s special to be able to throw 92 miles an hour like that and make it cut, make it sink, and throw the changeup. He splits both sides of the plate.”
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198 comments Add your comment
Jonathan
July 13th, 2011
12:14 pm
They’re actually 3 1/2 back, Dave. I wish it were 2 1/2
MaSSaHH
July 13th, 2011
12:15 pm
first? anyway, DOB, the Braves are 3 1/2 back
MaSSaHH
July 13th, 2011
12:16 pm
damn, Jonathan, you beat me to it, kudos
Joe
July 13th, 2011
12:18 pm
Good post, DOB. Can’t wait for the second half to get started!
JT Grace
July 13th, 2011
12:34 pm
The Braves already have an affordable right handed bat. He is sitting at AAA with 18 home runs on the season, Stefan Gartrell.
bravesfan4ever
July 13th, 2011
12:41 pm
JT, i dont think Gartrell would produce very well at the major league level
Jim Clancy
July 13th, 2011
12:52 pm
I agree about Gartrell. Went to the DH at Gwinnett on Saturday night and the only position player who seemed major league caliber was this fellow Prado. Seriously they appeared pretty thin on talent.
rob
July 13th, 2011
12:57 pm
to DOB or the rest of you…..why is there not more talk about a right-handed relief pitcher for late innings to sub for proctor? haven’t we seen the braves lose enough games b/c of that issue? how long does the proctor experiment last?
Bruce Bochy
July 13th, 2011
12:59 pm
Proctor only comes in when Braves are down by more than 2 runs.
If Braves are leading they go O then Venter then Kimbrel.
rob
July 13th, 2011
1:02 pm
@bruce…not true at all. watch more games.
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
1:02 pm
Gorkys Hernandez is hitting close to 300 in AAA for Pitt. He is stuck behind a pretty good CF so his path to the bigs is blocked. I would not mind if Braves tried to get him back. I doubt it would take any of the top tier pitching prospects.
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
1:08 pm
And if all is needed is a bat, what about the Mauro Gomez kid for pinch hitting and an occasional spot start. The glove may not be great but from what I have seen the bat has some pop.
GTI in Chicago
July 13th, 2011
1:17 pm
Well, MOYLAN is a right-hander. Presumably, he would be the RHP who replaces Proctor in the Bullpen. Let’s just hope he’s effective when he comes back, yes?
tj
July 13th, 2011
1:17 pm
We need another bat. Hunter Pence, Michael Bourne, Michael Cudder, or Carlos Quinten.
John Galt
July 13th, 2011
1:26 pm
We can win with this lineup. All we need to do is to dispose of Proctor and replace him with ………………….anybody.
Write in on the wall and date it, Schafer will be a catalyst and Prado and Chipper will lead. Uggla can also create the same effect as adding a player with a rally, as can Heyward. We are in good shape.
Rafael
July 13th, 2011
1:28 pm
TJ … you are correct in saying we need Hunter Pence, Michael Cuddyer, or Carlos Quentin.
However, with Liberty Media as owners and Frank Wren (firefrankwren.com) as GM, it simply is not going to happen. Liberty Media’s CHEAPNESS and Frank Wren’s GOOD SOLDIER (follow the company line) will NOT pony up for a quality player like Cuddyer, Pence, or Quentin.
No, Frank Wren’s track record will go after the likes of Ryan Ludwick, Josh Willingham, or Willie Harris – ALL of which are BUMS on the CHEAP.
Yes, we need Quentin, Cuddyer, or Pence (proven quality MLB hitters) even with Prado coming back sometime. Chipper is out who knows how long and there are always new injuries.
But Liberty Cheapia and Frank Wren don’t operate like that. With them, EVERYTHING is about the almighty dollar. THANKS Frank (firefrankwren.com) for tying up another 15 million for Derek Lowe in 2012, and 7 million this year for that piece of **43**&PGH Kenshin Kawakami. Money spent wisely we could’ve used on a QUALITY hitter, not a mediocre guy on the CHEAP.
Win the division???? Can you say Derek Lowe and Scott Proctor. Plus a lack of offensive punch. I rest my case…
DawgInaTruck
July 13th, 2011
1:31 pm
Sometimes you have to be willing to fail and that is the chance we take if we trade a Beachy or a Minor along with perhaps a prospect or two to get a Pence, Bourne, etc. Tough call-if Prado and Chpper come back strong and Uggla continues to improve, we pick up three right handed bats right there and give up nothing.
I don’t envy Frank Wren in this one but, if I’m the GM, I stand pat. Let the flaming begin.
Outside Observer
July 13th, 2011
1:32 pm
The Braves need a right-handed bat. Matt Kemp is best case scenario. If we needed to trade a CF (Shafer or McClouth) and Hanson or JJ for him, do it. Maybe they would throw in a prospect, not necessarily top tier. As long as we sign him to a longer term deal, it should be successful. This organization has a lot of great, young pitchers, but we need some bats to help further the cause.
JF McNamara
July 13th, 2011
1:33 pm
Stand pat. The Braves are built for a 5 year run right now. Schafer/McLouth combo isn’t completely terrible. At least they are exciting on the base paths, and Schafer’s hitting at a decent enough clip that he could hit .260 -.270 with MLB service. There’s no room on the infield, so they are set.
JohnMayersHair
July 13th, 2011
1:33 pm
When did Willingham become a bum?
JF McNamara
July 13th, 2011
1:36 pm
Outside Observer,
JJ is one of the best pitchers in baseball right now with a career ERA of 3.24, and Hanson has the stuff to be the Ace of the staff. Get rid of Lowe or Huddy. Trading away the future ain’t the way to win in the long term.
rob
July 13th, 2011
1:38 pm
there is nothing for sure about medlen or moylan. even IF they return quickly, we do not know how they will pitch. we need a right handed late inning relief pitcher ASAP. they are fairly cheap and the deal should be made b4 fri
J
July 13th, 2011
1:40 pm
Tell Uggly and Heyward to show up and we have a new team.
The Dude
July 13th, 2011
1:40 pm
I like the idea of Michael Bourne or Hunter Pence. Quinten brings some power, but he’s still just a .250 hitter. This team has enough streaky power in the lineup…I’d like to see them add speed and defense….speed doesn’t go into slumps. Bourne looks like a great fit.
Problem with Pence and Quinten….where do they play when Prado and assuming Chipper come back in the line up? Plus, we’d have to dump salary somewhere to pay for them. How do you do that? McClouth….who’s gonna take him off our hands…Could the Yankees be interested in Lowe? That would be a decent salary dump.
bob
July 13th, 2011
1:41 pm
JJ and Shcafer for Matt Kemp. We need a center fielder like Kemp
BRAVESNATION4EVER
July 13th, 2011
1:42 pm
There is no way in hell the Braves are built for a five-year run, especially when this organization has always been October oriented , just showing up for October postseason just about year after year and an organization that has always been pitching-oriented.The Braves team has always retooled instead of rebuilt and with all these things being said about this proud historic franchise like the Braves this team is built for October postseason forever no matter what.GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
1:43 pm
Look for Rockies to be sellers. Ty Wigginton could be an option if asking price not to high. Can play multiple positions and hit with some power.
Capt. Obvious
July 13th, 2011
1:50 pm
To all the morons on here. Where are you going to put theses right handed bats in the field? The only person that would make any sense would be to acquire a CF (Bourne?). If only Chipper had retired…
That being said, I love what Pence brings to the ballpark every day.
I see Willingham coming over.
joe
July 13th, 2011
1:55 pm
Got enough horses as it is to overtake the Fils and get to the WS…just need to get Prado back, Chipper healthy and Ugs/JHey hitting like we know they can. Pitching should get a boost when Moylen returns…
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
1:56 pm
Folks during the offseason, I was clamoring to trade JJ for either Matt Kemp or Ryan Braun. Milwaukee has filled their starting pitching needs and Dodgers are not trading Kemp for anything less than Texas bilked Braves for Texiera. Acquiring the likes of players with that talent is nice to dream about but not the type of moves to realistically expect.
Also, Yankees are not the team desparate for starting pitching. Boston is the only hope to take Lowe and they could be more desparate for pitching after Beckett could not even do warmups last night. The K-Rod deal sets the standard for dealing pitchers with a lot of money owed on their contracts. Braves would have to include 7-10 million cash on any Lowe deal and only get AA or lower prospects in return.
Supes
July 13th, 2011
2:00 pm
With the NY Mets having a “fire sale” in the 2nd half…I know it is a bit out there…but what about the possibility of adding David Wright? He’s been hurt with the back issues (which is alarming in itself)…but when healthy he has been one of the best young run producing 3B in the game…and apparently the Mets owner doesn’t think very highly of him, maybe the relationship has soured over there between Wright and the Mets organization. With Chipper on the way out just about…it’s a thought, adding a RH bat with power. By all indications he’s also a good club house guy. Anyone know what his current contract status is?
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
2:08 pm
Wright only works if Prado can play CF or SS. Those conversations have already been had. That being said I have always liked David Wright but I do not see it on Braves radar right now. Angel Pagan on the other hand can play CF and leadoff. If Mets are having a fire sale he would be worth kicking the tires on.
Do the Mets have a SS that would be an upgrade? Sorry could not resist throwing some kerosene on that fire.
Ralph
July 13th, 2011
2:11 pm
Wren will make a move before the deadline but we are not going to be happy about it, you can bet on it. He is still out dumpster digging and thats all he knows how to do.
Basil
July 13th, 2011
2:12 pm
The Cardinals are looking for a starting pitcher and they are willing to part with Colby Rasmus. Why not Lowe for Rasmus?
hdhd
July 13th, 2011
2:15 pm
“But as far as what we have here, we have, I think, the third-best record in all of baseball. We feel very comfortable where we sit today.”
McCann has a very level head. I think everyone in the lineup (McClouth out when Chipper is back) has a specific role. I could not see benching anyone (even Uggla). The defense is great, the hitting is getting it done, the pitching is magnificent. Don’t gamble the club’s future on the HOPE of getting something better.
Ghostrider
July 13th, 2011
2:15 pm
I say get rid of Proctor….he suks…maybe we can get some bats and balls for him, I’d also try and get some Gatorade.
Ralph
July 13th, 2011
2:17 pm
I don’t see Pagan being much of an upgrade over Schafer.
AL All Star Batters
July 13th, 2011
2:17 pm
Who was that Venters dude and what the heck was he throwing?
Farnsworthy
July 13th, 2011
2:22 pm
Proctor needs to join K.K. at that AA Mississippi ballpark.
Randy Quaid
July 13th, 2011
2:27 pm
Here we are again—other teams making trades to strengthen their rosters, the trade market has opened wide up and FW’s doing zip.
Rupert
July 13th, 2011
2:27 pm
Obviously the current group can make it to October. The real question is what will they do when they go up against quality pitching, think Philly. I for one have been saying that you load up when you have a great chance. As we learned from the 90’s and early’ 2000’s, merely getting there doesn’t feel too good when it’s over. I’m not advocating another Tex deal by any means, but none of the names being bantered about (Pence, Bourne, Quentin etc.) would require anything close to that kind of talent capital. Again, this team COULD win as constructed, but their hitting has been woeful at times, especially against lefties. If you have a chance to improve that facet, go for it.
So can we cut the “I think they can win with what they have…” that is obviously true from the record. However, Wren’s job is to improve the team whenever possible, and this team while good enough to make it as is, could definitely use improving. Another arm in the pen as well, probably a quiet deal at the deadline, would also be very valuable.
EGIMGIAFAD
July 13th, 2011
2:31 pm
Part of the hitting problem right now is that the Braves have two pitchers batting every game – Uggla and whoever is pitching. The Braves philosophy of continuing to play Uggla is going to start to hurt the team (if it hasn’t already). Management needs to accept the fact that they screwed up in signing Uggla and start to think about their #1 goal – winning games. The fans don’t care about “saving face” and the boos towards Uggla is proof of that.
Yep
July 13th, 2011
2:35 pm
We need middle relief help.
need insight
July 13th, 2011
2:37 pm
Dave – How about some in-depth insight into 5 or 6 players who might help the Braves at leadoff, in center field, and/or as right handed bats, with their attributes ? Quotes by Braves players saying “That’s up to the GM” aren’t very interesting.
Furman Bitcher
July 13th, 2011
2:59 pm
Sorry folks but only one team can take on Lowe’s salary and that is the yanks. One could pray.
JT Grace
July 13th, 2011
3:01 pm
Part of the hitting problem right now is that the Braves have two pitchers batting every game – Uggla and whoever is pitching.
Really, now. How many pitchers have 15 home runs so far this year. Uggla will be fine. It’s the three other pitchers I am worried about (Alex Gonzalez, Jordan Schafer, and Nate McLouth). If the Braves have many games with these three sub-standard hitters then they have little chance of making the playoffs.
waterstim
July 13th, 2011
3:06 pm
Just heard Buster Olney on ESPN radio speculating that Carlos Beltran might be the perfect fit for the Braves, and they wouldn’t have a problem trading him intra-division. Don’t know if that is doable.
Braves Fan
July 13th, 2011
3:11 pm
If you folkes who think you know everything about trades, money,who plays where and who bats where were such good resources, you would be the GM and not venting on the internet. You all act as if you are experts. Just shows once again, talk is cheap.
Basil
July 13th, 2011
3:24 pm
Carlos Beltran will be a FA. I wouldn’t trade the farm for a two-month rental. He will probably go to the Giants.
NickB
July 13th, 2011
3:26 pm
I love predicting trades and discussing trades. But you folks need to be reasonable. Why would the Cards take Lowe for Rasmus? Why does everyone think that we can just dump our trash for everyone elses treasures? Oh and the talk of Pence/Quentin…etc If they can’t play CF we got no spot for em. Chipper is back in 3 weeks then Prado goes back to lF, so ANY OF’er we pick up is either to be used mainly as a bench bat( not Pence or Quentin in other words) or is going to replace Schafer in CF (which i doubt is going to happen due to budgetary restraints and FW refuses to overpay, which is good btw)
IMO, if we can get a RH version of Hinske and ANY quality RH arm to send Proctor out the door, the team will be fine.
The General Feeling
July 13th, 2011
3:26 pm
Was it just me or did anyone else think he was watching a minor-league all-star game last night? Where are all the veteran players that used to play in this game?
Raw Onion
July 13th, 2011
3:28 pm
With regards to looking at David Wright, why couldn’t Prado stay in left field? He played well there prior to injury. Wright at only 28 years old would make alot of sense with Chipper’s career coming to a close.
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
3:29 pm
Uh BravesFan that is kinda the whole point of the blog format at the end of these articles. It allows us regular folks to exchange ideas and debate just like the row of fools on a row of stools at the neighborhood bar. If you have a problem with it find another way to waste your time. I doubt you would have the courage to walk into said local bar and say the same thing to peoples face.
NickB
July 13th, 2011
3:30 pm
Because why spend the $$$ on an oft injured David Wright to play 3rd when we can move Prado there and spend the $$$$ on a slugging LF bat instead!!
Furman Bitcher
July 13th, 2011
3:32 pm
If we got Beltran it would be a money dump for the Mets and we would not have to send top prospects. Just like the K-Rod deal the Mets woulds probable pay half of the 10 mil owed to Beltran just to save 5 mil.
Furman Bitcher
July 13th, 2011
3:34 pm
The best fit for the Braves is Michael Bourne. He would be the only place we really have a need. Uggla and Heywerd have to step up or we wont make it.
Lefty
July 13th, 2011
3:36 pm
I don’t think anyone is being realistic in terms of the type of RH bat the Braves might add. Yes, they’re loaded with lefties, but who are you going to sit (Heyward, Prado, McClouth/Schaeffer)? I know the answer to that, so you’re going to need to find a CF if you’re looking for a full-time player? Cuddyer and Quentin can’t play CF. To get Pence, they’d need to gut their young pitchers, which shouldn’t happen with Lowe & Hudson on the backside of their careers. Matt Kemp??…yeah, get real.
The Braves need a RH bat like Eric Hinske, who has an expiring contract on a team that isn’t going anywhere and wants to dump payroll for some long-shot prospects (see the Mets/Brewers trade). The Pirates appear to be contenders (for now), so bringing Matt Diaz back seems unlikely. The Royals could make Francoeur available, if we want to go down that path again. Did Mike Cameron sign with anyone yet? They’re not franchise changing moves, but with the 2nd best record in the NL, we only need a tweak.
Raw Onion
July 13th, 2011
3:36 pm
NickB – You obviously don’t know what you are talking about with regards to injuries. The only significant injuries in his career were in 2009 (concussion from hit to head) and this year. Every other year he has been very consistent and very good. Not exactly oft injured.
Furman Bitcher
July 13th, 2011
3:37 pm
We all know that Frank Wren will pull the brilliant move and get Kemp or Fielder but trading them a package of get this, McClouth, Lowe, KK & Schaffer. What a genius!
Art
July 13th, 2011
3:39 pm
Anyone that says the Braves need to trade JJ is not a Braves fan.
Furman Bitcher
July 13th, 2011
3:39 pm
The Mets are not trading Wright
NickB
July 13th, 2011
3:48 pm
Yer right two significant injuries in 3 seasons isn’t oft injured at all…… I do know his production has not been consistent. I also know he will cost a ton to re-sign. Why do that when Prado is already here and if want to go after a corner OF’er there will be plenty to choose from that will cost less than Wright (only $$ and nor prospects and $$) next offseason (or in 2013 if Chipper plays next year).
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
3:48 pm
Lefty I think Camron is off the market but not sure, maybe Marlins. Agree with your RH version of Hinske, that is why I threw out Ty Wigginton from Colorado earlier.
JM
July 13th, 2011
3:49 pm
Braves should be thinking big here…Heyward, Minor, Beachy and perhaps Delgado for Pence, Bourne and Wandy Rodriquez.
NickB
July 13th, 2011
3:50 pm
Lefty is exactly right. We are going to get a RH bench bat (like Wigginton or similar) and a RH pen arm (i would like to try for the guy from Colorado who’s name escapes me…. argh Linstrom maybe… crpa can’t remember) I seriously doubt we make a major move unless something just falls in FW’s lap.
NickB
July 13th, 2011
3:52 pm
Jeez a guy has a slow sophomore season and yer willing to dump him to the Astros along with Beachy AND Delgado? Not only we losing years of service time in that deal, we are also upping payroll by a LOT!! Two things GM’s try to avoid. We aren’t the Yankees you know.
Just saying....
July 13th, 2011
3:56 pm
Did we get it straight? I am no where near an expert..can I blog on here?
Do NOT want to give up the prospects, but Pence can sure hit the ball!
Just saying....
July 13th, 2011
3:58 pm
Not David Wright.
NickB
July 13th, 2011
4:00 pm
Wandy Rodriguez has a WHIP of 1.337 an ERA of 3.52 and a WAR of 2.1 not bad, cept that he’s owed $27 mill over the next 2.3 seasons! Beachy puts up similar for a ton less money and won’t be arb eligible for a couple more years
Bourne, though a good CF’er is only under control until end of 2012 and is owed apprix $8 mill (depending on arby)
Pence would probably not be a long term upgrade over Heyward and is under control until 2014 but is making $6.4mill via arby already and with two more years a conservative est is $7.5 next year and $9 in 2013 so thats $18mill for the total time. and He’s 28 (versus Heyward being only 21 people!!)
So you would add around $53 in payroll over the next few years, lose 3 years of control at pitcher and 4 years of control in RF (and be trading a legit superstaar quality player in his 2nd season at age 21…..)…… that makes less than zero sense
JM
July 13th, 2011
4:15 pm
Heyward is overrated and injury prone. The pitchers are unproven. Besides, you have to give up something to get something. The salaries of Kawakami, McLouth and perhaps even Chipper and Lowe will be gone after this year, so that is not that much of an issue.
rob
July 13th, 2011
4:20 pm
dump heyward. get a real right-fielder and we would be fine.
ChillyMutt
July 13th, 2011
4:20 pm
I don’t think we need another bat…. What we need is Prado back and Uggla hitting the way we know he can. You add a little Heyward heat up and Schafer getting more comfortable with his new ‘lead off’ approach and the Braves will have a very potent offense.
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
4:30 pm
I am with Nick on not wanting to trade for half of a last place teams roster. The players mentioned are all good players but at that price this “expert” would pass.
billmaier
July 13th, 2011
4:50 pm
lefty – where did you get the info that pence cannot play center has played it before and played it quite well
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Milton BMcC
July 13th, 2011
4:53 pm
It is not enough just to get Moylan and Medlen back to replace Proctor. The top three guys are extremely overworked — how many appearances can the three young arms take?
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
4:58 pm
Meds has been shut down for 6 weeks, Probably will not help until 2012. Bullpen upgrade can come via bringing up Delgado & Teheran. Why not? The arb clock on them already began ticking when they were used for spot starts.
bobby cerasuolo
July 13th, 2011
4:59 pm
I am for getting Drew Stubbs from Cincy for Schafer Minor A-gon and Proctor the Braves get Stubbs Paul Janish Miguel Cario and Chris Heisey. Stubbs plays CF and hits leadoff or 2nd behind Prado. Move Prado to second send Uggla down for a while to AAA get his swing back use Heisey and Mclouth in LF Stubbs in CF.
John30456
July 13th, 2011
4:59 pm
Thank goodness, none of the GM’s on this page can make trades, because the ones most of these guys are suggesting are insane. Trade JJ, trade Hanson, what a joke. Fire Frank Wren, who’s has done an excellent job with the financial constraints placed by the absentee owners.
braveshoo
July 13th, 2011
5:05 pm
Here’s a wild idea. How about getting Omar Infante back from Florida. He is not hitting for Florida, and I think we could get him back cheap( perhaps even thru a 3 team deal ). I think he misses the Braves and particularly Prado, and would be more comfortable in a super utility/ pinch hitter role, and would hit much better in a Braves uniform.
billmaier
July 13th, 2011
5:06 pm
ty wigginton–sounds like a frank wren move batting 249 2 for his last 21– oh be he has hit 13 homers – just what we need another below 250 hitter that is ona cold streak great idea
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
5:10 pm
Stubbs has struck out 122 times this year and is barely batting 250. Janish is hitting 227 and lost his job to a AAA callup. Cairo is a servicable backup. Heisey is interesting, but if he were that good why would Cincy be looking for an upgrade in LF?
topeka joe
July 13th, 2011
5:11 pm
Yes outfield looks weak but Prado is coming back, and neither heyward or schafer are going anywhere. I think the only real place we can add a bat would be at short. And i think the only option out there is hardy and i think the O’s are trying to resign him. Would we dare talk to Furcal? I’m sure the dodgers would love to get some payorll relief.
Brave New World
July 13th, 2011
5:15 pm
Supes July 13th, 2011 2:00 pm With the NY Mets having a “fire sale” in the 2nd half…I know it is a bit out there…but what about the possibility of adding David Wright?
Supes: I’m with you. Wright is a very good ballplayer who never makes excuses and plays the game hard. He would be a a great addition to the team at 3rd base since Chipper is close to retirement. Prado stays in left.
HeyHeyKid
July 13th, 2011
5:15 pm
Getting a healthy Prado back, having Uggla and Heyward hit like they are supposed to is like getting 3 new players. Hopefully that happens.
Wahoo
July 13th, 2011
5:19 pm
How about Marlon Byrd?
RH, can play all outfield positions, hits lefties well for his career and gets on base at a good clip
would give us some depth for this year and next, when nate is surely gone
under contract for 6.5 mil for next year
Wahoo
July 13th, 2011
5:21 pm
[...] The Braves would like to acquire an affordable right-handed bat without handing over top prospects, according to David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. [...]
this sounds exactly like marlon byrd…georgia native, on a club that is out of it (cubs) that has a CF prospect that he is blocking
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
5:25 pm
I stated earlier I like Wright but I cannot see that happening. Prado woulld rather play infield (2B or 3B). He made the move to left not only because he is a team first guy but also with the understanding when Chipper hangs it up he will be 3B. Acquiring a David Wright would make Prado the permanent LF which he would do without complaint until he becomes a FA which is not that far off. At that point who could blame him for going somewhere else?
The only whay to pull that off is if Uggla defense declines to the point where he is moved to LF and Prado to 2B. But Uggla for now is playing very good defense.
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
5:27 pm
Marlon Byrd works for me if the price is right.
Gil In Mechanicsville
July 13th, 2011
5:27 pm
Low cost, high potential… Matt Stairs or Lance Nix from the Nationals. That said, you need to leave a little talent around the rest of the league so they can take at least 1 out of 3 when they play the Phillies.
Who do the Royals have they would like to dump? Francouer? I doubt he would be coming back but you never know.
Nope, only thing the Braves are likely to add will be a bullpen arm or a right handed pinch hitter type. I think the rest lies with how well Uggla and Heyward perform the second half.
Anyone else think that Freddie would have made that pick on the short hop throw from Starlin Castro last night?
Sean
July 13th, 2011
5:28 pm
I think our biggest need is a RHP out of the bullpen. San Diego has Mike Adams who they might be willing to trade. He’s got a solid arm and could perhaps fill in O or Venters in the seventh and eighth when we have the lead and they need a night off. Why not trade for him?
Mister Frisky
July 13th, 2011
5:30 pm
@JM ,Great point,this team needs multiple additions to line even when Prado and Chipper get back.Send one good pitcher and all the 230 hitters we can get rid of to Houston.
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
5:31 pm
Adams could take over after Heath Belll is traded, so Pads may not look to move him.
E-6
July 13th, 2011
5:32 pm
This season is shaping up just like last with a very good chance the Braves play the Giants in the first round of the playoffs with the Phils getting a patsy from the Central. We can make it with or without another bat because of our staff. Then it’s whoever pitches best.
JT Grace
July 13th, 2011
5:32 pm
The Braves need to get an RH outfielder NOW and not wait too long. They are stuck with McLouth and Schafer in the OF until Chipper comes back, and there is no guarantee that he comes back in 2 – 3 weeks. It could be longer. They cannot stay in contention with both Nate and Jordan in the same outfield, especially since Alex Gonzalez is the shortstop.
Gil In Mechanicsville
July 13th, 2011
5:36 pm
Chipper is not going anywhere, he may take the final victory tour in 2012 like Biggio did with Houston. It is a rare thing to see and would be a fitting finally to a great career.
I really like Marteen Prado but I just don’t see him as an everyday third baseman. He really is more of a super utility guy. He could even play everyday in that role quite nicely. About the only positions he does not play are center, short and catching. I expect he could even do all three in a pinch however.
MikeY
July 13th, 2011
5:43 pm
Schafer and Delgado for Kemp.
t.j.
July 13th, 2011
5:47 pm
WTF is wrong with those of you that are saying get rid of Heyward? In case you dont know he is just 21 years old and this is just his 2nd year in the league. You cant expect the guy to Pujols. It amazes me that some of you call ypurselfs Braves fans.
Hank
July 13th, 2011
5:50 pm
Nate and Jordan are pretty damn good outfielders. Get your noses out of your computers and watch a few games. Jordan has added a lot of spark with his bunting and speed, plus the fact that he protects cf.
jch
July 13th, 2011
5:53 pm
Gil – I disagree re: Prado. He is definitely an everyday player. I, for one, think he needs a position to call his own. Not having to make the daily adjustments to a different defensive position would allow him to, one, not be distracted from his hitting and, two, get that much better at whatever position he’s playing.
Is 3B the spot? I don’t know. I like him there but also like him in LF a lot as well as, of course, at 2B. I think I’d let the search for a new bat help determine where he ends up.
But, he needs a permanent spot somewhere.
BravesRockAlotAndStuff
July 13th, 2011
5:55 pm
Ok. Here’s what needs to happen. The guys who say anything about trading for Kemp, need to leave. Guys who say we need to get rid of McClouth, Proctor, and Heyward, get out. We know they suck but they ain’t goin’ nowhere. I mean Heyward will get better but I swear, everytime he goes up to hit I get nervous. Bourn would be awesome in the outfield but knowing Wren he’ll go for the cheaper options. I just don’t see how Ludwick would help our team. I don’t see where he would fit either.. Honestly, Chipper is holding the Braves back from making any significant moves. He’s overpayed for sitting on the bench crying about his knee, and he is making it hard for us to trade for a decent outfielder because he has to come back in a few weeks only to roll out to second base every at-bat. I guess my point is that if you’re looking for anything significant to happen, you’re looking in the wrong place cause Wren and company like money.
BravesRockAlotAndStuff
July 13th, 2011
5:57 pm
And I think Schafer is good for us in center. Sure his OBP isn’t good at all, but look at Alex. It could be WAY worse. Schafer has made some great plays as well as McClouth, and I think he could be just as good as Bourn if he gets the help he needs.
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
5:58 pm
Schafer and Delgado for Kemp???
ROTFLMAO……………..when pigs fly
don
July 13th, 2011
6:02 pm
I read these proposed trades and realize that many of these posters are fools. They tend to forget that, in trades, the Braves tend to be the ones to get screwed and not the team trading with the Braves,
I’ll suggest an award to the poster who wants the Braves to make the trade with the Reds for Stubbs, Heisey, et als. That one surpasses even the proposed Kemp deals in its level of stupidity.
I’m waiting for someone to recommend a trade of Gonzalez and Schafer for Beltran and Reyes. It can’t be far behind.
Heisenberg
July 13th, 2011
6:04 pm
Hensenberg out, g’day mates
Just saying....
July 13th, 2011
6:17 pm
As long as Frank Wren doesn’t do something like the Tex deal or the JD Drew deal, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. How about a little help from Liberty?
Hinske Da Man
July 13th, 2011
6:18 pm
The reason why the Braves will never get over the hump is because the payroll is to low. While teams like the Phillies, Red Sox, Yankees, and in the past the Mets were able to spend big, their teams benefited from those players that had to be paid well to come in and do what they do best.
You can’t count on Chipper being healthy the rest of the way, he is 39 and has had some injuries lately. Prado is a safe bet to come back and produce well. Gonzalez has been for the most part ineffective all season, and all depends on how Uggla’s bat comes around.
I don’t want to see the Braves mortgage their future by trading for a rental player, but I would like for just once for the Braves to make a impact trade that goes on to significantly help this team and take them deep into the playoffs and possibly win the World Series. We have the pitching to do it, we just always seem to come up short in one aspect of the team.
Barry
July 13th, 2011
6:21 pm
NO this Braves team DOES NEED a good right handed bat that hits for average with the occasional pop to put them over the hump and reclaim the division title. I’m sorry but Jordan Shaefer and especially Nate McClouth are not really bringing much to the table offensive wise. Surprisingly Shaefer is actually doing more at the plate than McClouth with bunting, getting on base, and stealing bases. Isn’t that what we brought McClouth over to do? He really hasn’t done it. Also, even though I like his defense, I wouldn’t mind us bringing in a offensive upgrade over Alex Gonzalez. Sure he gets the occasional good hit and the occasional home run, but he also swings at plain TERRIBLE pitches in the dirt and in the other batters box and strikes out killing any potential rallies. He needs to get reaquainted with the strike zone. He swings at pitches some times that never started as a strike!
Barry
July 13th, 2011
6:25 pm
For all you morons who think we need to trade Heyward…put down the joint…get rid of the bong because you are HIGH…SO HIGH! He has been hampered by injury this year and having a sophmore slump.
SOWEGA Braves Fan
July 13th, 2011
6:51 pm
Peter Bourjos from the Angels.
alexcox
July 13th, 2011
6:53 pm
lo primero limpiar la casa protocor,kawakami.parrish,martines gearin nate y a wren. eso es el problema u hombre q notiene para lf dietro. y mira todo el dinero q a gastado y no encuentra el problema jhom shujols coje la rienda d tu pupilo q c colgo
SOWEGA Braves Fan
July 13th, 2011
6:54 pm
Bourjos 24y/o gold glove caliber CF w/ blazing speed. With the call up of #1 prospect Mike Trout to play CF Bourjos may be available for starting pitching help…say Lowe & Mclouth + cash ??
Mike Kendall
July 13th, 2011
7:13 pm
Is Pastornicky going to get a shot anytime soon? Is Simmons going to be a position player or a pitcher? Who has won the SS position in Rome? Salcedo or Lipka?
MattyStice
July 13th, 2011
7:35 pm
Is Andrew McCutchen out of the picture for some reason? I mean, yeah, he’s a free agent next year, but I’m all for trying to lock this guy into a 3-5 year deal. He’s a true lead off man, hitting .291 this year and managed a respectable .286 his previous 2 years. He stole over 30 bases his first full season, was on pace for 30 the previous year, and has a good chance for another 30 SB season this year. Not to mention he’s added a good bit of power this year, too, on pace for 25 HRs (although last year he had at 15 and was on pace for around 15-20 in a full season in 2009 when he only appeared in 108 games) and he projected to rack up about 100 RBIs (for the Pirates nonetheless), which is a commodity the Braves could use a few more of. However, yes, it could mean losing one of our 3 highly touted minor league pitchers and one or two of our several utility OFs. Still, I wouldn’t mind locking Cutch up for for a 5-year/$25 million deal this coming off season. After all, the Braves are freeing up about $7 million when Kenshin’s contract runs out, another $5 mil after next season when Mclouth’s does, and $15 mil the next year with Lowe’s running out. Not to mention another $13 when Chipper finally chooses to hang up the spikes. We only need 1 of our 3 possible prospects to work out to replace Lowe, because if Hudson doesn’t show signs of serious breakdown I’d be all for another 3 years after his current contract runs out. Really, the only tough decision I see in the next couple of years is signing an OF when Jones does retire and Prado takes over 3rd (I assume), and there’s seldom a lack of decent OFs available.
Mitch McConnell's Chins
July 13th, 2011
8:26 pm
We think the Braves should stand pat. Look at all the guys in the lineup who are not hitting what they have in the past. And still, the team is winning. We didn’t think at the beginning of the season they could possibly beat out the Phillies but now, with some of the hitters stepping up as they should, we think it can happen. These guys play well together, and Schaffer has really helped a shaky defense. The starting pitching is wonderful and the bullpen is the best in club history.
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July 13th, 2011
8:28 pm
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bravos007
July 13th, 2011
8:30 pm
mitch mconnell’s chin has the BEST NAME on here LOL
kjb
July 13th, 2011
8:31 pm
Come on yall, Heyward is only 21yrs old….the right kind of hitting coach to work with and he’ll be find. Look at Jose’ Bautista for the BlueJays, he came up with the P. Pirates and couldn’t hit that good at all but look at him now. I believe in due time he’ll get his swing together. Be patient if you are a true Braves fan like me!!!!!
wkm
July 13th, 2011
9:06 pm
A lot of people are asking where Quentin or Pence would play if the Braves traded for one of them when Chipper and Prado get back. Well it is actually pretty obvious. Schafer and McLouth both sit, Heyward moves to CF, Pence/Quentin would play RF, and Prado would stay at LF. I don’t like the thought of sitting Schafer with his spark unless it is for Bourn, which is why I don’t think the Braves will trade for any OF position unless it is for Bourn or Pence, but Pence isn’t going to be available. Not to mention that Schafer is continuously raising his average lately. It has gone from right at .200 to over .230 recently so making a trade right now doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I say just stick with what we have for now and try to sign Cuddyer or someone in FA if we need an OF position.
wkm
July 13th, 2011
9:10 pm
@MattyStice….McLouth comes out of contract after THIS year not next. And the money for him on the books next year due to a club option is $10.65MM. So not picking up his option frees up almost $17MM this offseason just on KK and McLouth alone. And Lowe frees up next year not year after next.
wkm
July 13th, 2011
9:14 pm
@Mike Kendall….I agree that Pastornicky should be getting a shot with the big league club. He is hitting over .300 and had more than 40 SBs last year and is on pace for another 40 this year. Simmons is going to be a position player because currently he is the starting SS at Lynchburg (A+). Salcedo is playing 3B because he doesn’t have the range to play SS at the major league level and Lipka is playing SS at Rome.
jsmoltz29
July 13th, 2011
9:25 pm
This is an idea I haven’t heard anything about but seems like would be mutually beneficial. A package of mclouth/schafer, minor, and Derek Lowe + aprox 7 mil cash would prob be enough for Brett Gardner and a 2nd tier prospect. We could make mclouth or schafer our 4th of and we wouldn’t have to sell the farm. What do you guys think?
Jason
July 13th, 2011
9:30 pm
I enjoy reading the opinions expressed on this blog. Some wanting Bourne,Cuddyer,Pence, Quenten,and a host of different names. The Braves got the right handed bat they coveted when the traded for Uggla, and although he has struggled in the first half of the season he still leads the team in homeruns. It stands to reason that if more people were on base when Uggla hit those long balls it may have resulted in a couple more wins at least. Just like how Uggla has struggled who is to say Hunter Pence, Bourne, Quenten and the others will not struggle the same way, with the expectation of performing in a pressure situation.
Secodly with the exception of Bourne in Center, where will the others play?.
I agree with Mac that we have the pieces to go very far despite our performance in Philadelphia this past weekend.
I hope Wren don’t mortgage the Farm as was done in the Tex trade. This team is performing at or above expectations, and can be a juggernaut for years to come, considering the average age of the team and the young arms at the Major League and in the system at the lower levels.
NV 049
July 13th, 2011
9:37 pm
McClouth has a buy out option for 2012 it is $1.25 mil
wahoo
July 13th, 2011
9:41 pm
Schafer’s “spark” since June 1:
June: .214 .260 .316 .576
July: .256 .256 .326 .582
color me unimpressed
Nate since moving to the 8 hole:
.267 .426 .436 .862
not too shabby
Andy
July 13th, 2011
9:42 pm
Out of all the post, there may be about 3 that make sense. And about 80% of you never even picked up a glove. Trade JJ and trade Tommy Hanson??? You people go back to your parents basement and listen Brad Paisley’s song Online..
Freddie G
July 13th, 2011
9:44 pm
To: John 30456 – I am with you, very happy that some of the contributors on this blog are not the Braves GM and neither will they have any input in any personnel decision. There are some crazy suggestions here, and these are the same folks that will cry loudest if next year or years from now they see Theron, Minor, JJ, or any of the young arms traded away then come back to haunt us like Wainwright does for the Cardinals.
SoCalBrave
July 13th, 2011
9:44 pm
We have no open positions. Heyward RF, Shaffer CF, Prado LF. Chipper 3B, Gonzalez SS, Uggla 2B, Freeman 1B, McCann C.
Unless Chipper misses more time than the expected 3 weeks, we’re not gonna trade for a position player. We’ll probably get an extra bench player that bats righty and bullpen help, but that’s it.
wahoo
July 13th, 2011
9:50 pm
i wouldn’t call the CF combo of nate/schafer untouchable…its definitely an upgradeable position, jordan could be sent down for more seasoning and nate could be a 4th outfielder on chippers return
Ken Mummah
July 13th, 2011
10:04 pm
Trade for Hunter Pence or Michael Bourn and give up in return McLouth, Delgado and another mid-level prospect.Both Pence and Bourn would provide another outfielder with speed, good average and some pop. If I were Wren I would do this tomorrow!
jason
July 13th, 2011
10:08 pm
Only deal I see Wren pulling is trading for Mike Cameron.
chuck simon's barber shop
July 13th, 2011
10:09 pm
A Gardner deal won’t happen. We need RH hitter or SH. In reality we get a low level prospect for the”favor” of taking Lowe’s contract. To get Bourne (far too sensible), it would take a great package.
And as far as Heyward in CF, IMO he’s having developmental problems in RF, in CF he’d cost us far more than his current plate production. Hasn’t it been apparent since Schafer’s been in there what an upgrade he’s been from McLouth? Let’s not go backward
bobby cerasuolo
July 13th, 2011
10:11 pm
OK here the skinny on what the Braves can do. Both the Giants and Reds need SS help, so why not package A-gon and maybe Diory to one of the two teams for a CF either Torres from SF or Stubbs.and miguiel Cario Or maybe packaging A-gon Mclouth Minor and Proctor to the Yankees for Gardern and Kevin Russo.
mike mangan
July 13th, 2011
10:14 pm
Amazing all the trades everyone is coming up with!! Mortgage the future for Kemp ???I dont think so.Hunter Pence would be a good fit both offense and defense.The minor league system is loaded.Salcedo at Rome is maybe a year away,There are three legit prospects on the Rome roster,
What are the people we need to double check there value,,Gonzalez good defensive shortstop who whiffs 50% of the time or does it just seem that often.Stubbs from the Reds look at his K ratio.Shaefer is better defense than Kemp,Byrd or Stubbs,Pittsburgh Nate in the final year of his contract.We need to assume Moylan will be back. and possibly Medlen Get rid of the two JIC,s(Just in Case)Linebrink and Proctor…Take a chance and bring Stephen Marek up from the G-Braves.move Lowe to the pen as a long releiver or bring Martinez back even DOB would be an upgrade to Linebrink & Proctor.
Tehran and Delgado are both ready to jump into the rotaion and Minor needs to re read his press clipings….How about Mark Reynolds from Baltimore(the 21st century Dave Kingman)..Aramis Ramierez would be a good fit at third with Prado in left and Heyward is still suffering from the sophomore blues but he will wake up….Liberty media makes more money than they can fold with their fantasy hotel movies.Wake up Liberty as you ready to try to sell The Braves remember a winning franchise brings considerably more even in a sluggish economy…How we all yearn for the return of Captain Outrageous bring Ted back to The Ted…!!!
chuck simon's barber shop
July 13th, 2011
10:17 pm
And Torres would be an upgrade because…? Realistically, Byrd is probably going to the target, and won’t cost much
Dannyboy
July 13th, 2011
10:26 pm
Really!Really! People the braves have the second best record in the NL!!!
Trading J- hey get real people he is 21 years old!!! FW knows what he is doing I bet he already has a plan let go of sp please he cost us alot of games who throws a fastball right the middle to a first pitch hitter
del@houston
July 13th, 2011
10:33 pm
Braves fans, the problem with you guys is, when you guys are 1-2 players away from being world series champions ya don’t pull the trigger because you guys don’t want to get rid of your prospects. What’s the point to making the playoffs of your going to get elimanated in the 1st round. Are you guys satisfied of making the playoffs 13 times or however times it was in the 90’s and coming out with one championship? I wouldn’t…. You have the prospects use them. Bourne will be excellent for the braves, why do you think Pence has all those RBI’s, Bourne gets on and its an automatic double because he steals 2nd majority of the time. So imagine Bourn in that lineup, the pitcher will make mistakes with Bourn on because of his base stealing threat, and let those Braves power hitters due their job. You have the pitching imagine Bourn in that lineup. Pence will be a GREAT player to add also but will cost 2-3 of your good prospects. Pull the trigger!!!
don
July 13th, 2011
10:33 pm
Although Stubbs strikes out far too much he will improve with experience. With his potential, youth, speed and decent power, there is no way the Reds will trade him.
alex
July 13th, 2011
10:35 pm
@ andy: What’s a glove? Sheesh….
Toyo
July 13th, 2011
10:35 pm
Everybody wants an addition but don’t want to get ready of anybody. We don’t have room with the ones we have(the ones we have are not good enough with the exeption of the pitchers). Does that makes sense? Lets try a blockbuster. We need to let somebody good go to get anything in return and the payrol is going to go up if we get anyone good. Get real. We have so many good pitchers and they all can not be in the lineup at the same time. I like Bourne or Pency in center(Somebody said he can play center).
braveslifer
July 13th, 2011
10:38 pm
mike mangan-Marek was doing great two months ago but Tommy John surgery makes him unavailable for a call-up. Dont believe me check the press release.
“Braves transferred RHP Stephen Marek to the 60-day disabled list. Marek underwent Tommy John reconstructive elbow surgery in mid-May and isn’t going to be ready to pitch again until the 2012 season.”
Joseph
July 13th, 2011
10:48 pm
@Mike…with all due respect sir…I do not think Teheran is quite ready. He might be ready this spring, but not this year. In my opinion it is confidence with Teheran at the majors right now. He has the stuff for sure, and I came away from his starts with the opinion of…..He has the stuff and the command, but doesn’t trust his stuff just yet at the major level to get batter’s out, that he might be over thinking out there. Just my opinion.
99% of the trades on here are honestly laughable. Liberty will not spend money….and @BravesRockALot……Chipper is crying about his knee? Pathetic sir.
I will admit I would like to see them ASK about Bourjos. But I am very unsure of his asking price. I know Trout is supposed to be the best thing that happened before Harper was….but I think asking price is too high. Still would at least find out what it would cost though.
braveslifer
July 13th, 2011
10:59 pm
Joseph- Good points. In the article DOB talks about the Braves getting a RH bat without giving up and prospects. You would think we would be hearing names like Josh Willingham, Peter Bourjos, etc. in the comments section but instead we talk about Andrew McCutchen, Jose Reyes, and Matt Kemp. LOL… I hear that some guy named Ryan Braun is available and the Brewers are just looking for a PLTBNL and Kawakami
Joseph
July 13th, 2011
11:06 pm
good one braveslifer. Can we throw in Chipper too? Since he is a crybaby about a little tiny sore knee and is stealing money? I laugh and get irritated at the same time to think this is a small sample size of what the national media thinks of Atlanta sports fan as a whole and why Atlanta is viewed as a bad sports town. I love passion. Hell I would love to get a Kemp or Pence, and while we are at it let’s also get Castro from the Cubs? I am sorry, I wish we had an owner like we did with Ted, but I live in reality and know we are limited and look at limited options.
del@houston
July 13th, 2011
11:12 pm
Also Brave fans, you guys better hope Phillies don’t pick up Pence because that will make the Phillies a very scary team too play in the playoffs. That’s one team that’s one player away from being champions.
braveslifer
July 13th, 2011
11:14 pm
Why not Chipper Jones career batting average is barely over .300. With that type of low average he should be able to play all the infield positions and throw about 50 innings of relief. Plus to top it off he has only played for the Braves in his 18 year career. I mean what kind of player refuses to play elsewhere for more money. He must have been scared. Switch hitting is overrated!
Andy
July 13th, 2011
11:18 pm
This is one of the greatest times of the year….July. The trading deadline is nearing. That’s why I love to read all these idea’s and rumors. Most are just off the wall, and if they were proposed in MLB The Show, the computer would even decline unless the trade mode was turned off. I read MLB Trade Rumors about ever hour hoping FW makes us a good deal. I’m not one that studies stats in the pro’s, I watch how they play. I’m a high school coach, so I look differently at the game than some that post. There’s a lot of idea’s that make sense. But for sake of the baseball greats, do not think of trading the young stars. Jordan S. Is going to be a player…he’s got some talent and he will break out, just don’t know when. I don’t like to play GM, cause the threat of another Texeria deal scares the living daylights out of me. I was a fan of Andrus….I met him just 2 days before he was traded at a minor league game in Wilmington, DE. Trades are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get….I’m a Braves Fan, I’ll love them with whoever the hell they put out there. Hell, if they wanted me to suit up, I run through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball..
Joseph
July 13th, 2011
11:25 pm
@Andy….well said sir. My only problem with Schafer is his OBP. Love the defense. Aside from Andruw…best since Nixon in CF. But with the bat in the crucial leadoff spot…..sub .300OBP is not good it is bad. He has talent. I would like to upgrade CF and keep Schafer if possible just for PR and defensive sub reasons alone, but more important bullpen needs help. Moylan is a true battler and he is sorely missed right now, but how effective will he be in August (after the deadline)? Back surgery is a tough recovery to project. And lastly Andy, a lot of people forget that the guys that got the Rangers over the top (yes Lee had a lot to do with it also) is all of the pitchers that came from this organization. Just think if they were still here and who might not have been signed because of it? Just an idea to consider and remember before clammoring for a HUGE deal.
alexgut
July 13th, 2011
11:27 pm
I hear Andrew Jones is coming back for a few months rental. Those who think that Chipper will be back in 3 weeks obviously don’t watch Braves baseball. Chipper is always hurt and at his age, he is more likely to be out than in. We need a bat, I don’t care righty or lefty, we need a damn bat. If we find a bargin outfield bat we can move Prado to third and move forward. WE are not making it past October with a cippled Chipper, lousy Uggly, and Heyward with a Chip on his shoulder!!!
del@houston
July 13th, 2011
11:29 pm
For those who watched the All Star game last night did you see Pence gun that dude out at home…. The guy also got a hit- Pence will bring a lot of energy to the Braves ya will become Pence right away!!!
Klaus
July 13th, 2011
11:30 pm
Remind McCann the Braves were in first place before the break with a 6 game lead on the Phillies. Also remind him Chipper looks pretty gimpy and AGON cannot hit.
Love the optimism but Mac has been on a tear. He cannot carry the team all summer given his position and the wear/tear that is yet to come.
If the get an Ankiel type dude for peanuts why bother.
Open up the minors and get Kemp with an extension signing window.
Wren will not have this much if an arm surplus for some time.
Klaus
July 13th, 2011
11:31 pm
In 2010…
robrob
July 13th, 2011
11:40 pm
This year I don’t see much trading going on for the Braves. Next year, we have to do something though. Kawakami and McClouth are gone. Hope we can find a buyer for Lowe. I feel like Chipper could restructure his contract for the Braves to sign a young right handed bat. Look at what’s going on in other sports. The veterans are saying, let’s win and win now. Chipper is great for the Braves but not worth what he is getting paid.
Joseph
July 13th, 2011
11:40 pm
I will laugh my rear end off when Chipper is selected to the HOF on the first ballot and all the people on here that said over and over and over again that he is too old….he never plays hurt…he is selfish…he never cared about the team….etc…………..will be here saying 1 of 2 things……..1) he is so great….best player ever…..etc………..or 2) he doesn’t deserve it he sucks………….
Haters will always be there. I just wonder why so much venom? I could prove every single point of the haters on Chipper wrong with documented numbers, but the response would be “so what…..he sucks……overpaid….never plays hurt…….is selfish” with no proof. It is honestly sad that there is so much hatred for a man that did everything he could to help the team and always put team ahead of himself and yet call themselves fans.
Joseph
July 13th, 2011
11:43 pm
@robrob….Chipper has redone his contract before for the same reason. He moved to LF and gave up automatic All-star appearances (that was a bonus in those contracts) so the team could sign Vinny Castilla.
Braves FaN
July 13th, 2011
11:55 pm
Braves need to go for it and stop being scared to trade away prospects. Also, if they make a blockbuster move and get rid of farm talent the least they can do is sign the new guy to a deal and not let him walk. The MT trade wouldn’t have been a bad trade if the Braves had locked him up, but they don’t know how to do that? I agree with the prior post….The Braves or the Hawks for that matter will never be more than a very solid team because they are not willing to spend the money. The Falcons are at least starting to figure things out. Time for the other sports franchises in Atlanta to follow suit before they end up following the Thrashers……
benchwarmer
July 14th, 2011
12:08 am
J at 1:40 has it right. Heyward and Uggla are the keys. Get them going and we’re good to go. I would really enjoy seeing that!
ChopChamps95
July 14th, 2011
12:22 am
BravesRockAlotAndStuff
July 13th, 2011
5:57 pm
And I think Schafer is good for us in center. Sure his OBP isn’t good at all, but look at Alex. It could be WAY worse. Schafer has made some great plays as well as McClouth, and I think he could be just as good as Bourn if he gets the help he needs.
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Schafer could become a very good (not great) player if he wanted to be, but HE has to be the one to make the first move and ask for help and guidance. Personally though, I think he’s too arrogant and thinks his God given ability will take him where he wants to go and obviously that hasn’t happened. But if he still has .230 BA, sub .300 OBS, and a sub .600 OPS it won’t matter how far Frank Wren has bent over backwards for him before, even a sometimes moronic imbecile like Wren will have to see the writing on the wall and trade for a legit leadoff hitter.
Gary
July 14th, 2011
12:34 am
Where in the world is everyone coming up with these Hunter Pence to Phillies rumors? I mean, one little schmuck rights an article about how Pence would fit for the Phillies and all of the sudden we start getting rumors? People listen to me when I say don’t worry about the Phillies. They put all of their eggs in the pitching basket and if they pull a deal this July it will be for a reliever.
hi
July 14th, 2011
1:15 am
McCutchen wouldn’t be available, because the pirates can actually win the central this season. Giving all the circumstances, the only bat that I would like to see the braves trade for is JJ Hardy (ss).. Perfect leadoff hitter who bats from the right side. If they (O’s) dont’ resign him it wouldn’t cost much to trade for him.. Can include Agon. People who say well what about future SS.. well the Braves have to sign someone anyways as it is next season.. They may even be inclined to extend him.
Joe
July 14th, 2011
1:17 am
DOB – Why wouldn’t the braves try to make a deal for Colby Rasmus. He would be our center fielder for today and the future. Some of these deals on here are crazy. I am from pittsburgh and they talk about McCutchen being the face of the franchise. No way are they looking to trade him. When you look at this team we are loaded at pitching in the majors and in the minors with some of the top prospects. I would have no problem Trading a Minor, Schaffer and someone else even for Rasmus to team up with Heyward for the next decade in our outfield. What does everyone think.
Joseph
July 14th, 2011
1:22 am
“if they (O’s) don’t resign him it wouldn’t cost much……..” With CBA looming a lot is out the window. Although several reports are MLB is more productive during season than other leagues…………Hardy would require at least 2 pitching prospects and another player. I think that is a lot for a guy who is free agent after the season. I love Gonzo’s defense, and I think it is really underrated. Hardy would be nice but I would doubt the price would be a good one………….just my opinion.
jw
July 14th, 2011
2:25 am
The problem, which is clearly identifiable from all of the conflicting posts on here, is that we have some depth to trade from but there is no clear trade target that works. If we trade for a bat it has to be a cf or a rh bench player. Pence is out bc he doesn’t play cf…where would you put him? Bourn might be okay but he is left handed and doesn’t hit for power. He is fast…so is schafer, He plays good D…so does schafer, He is left handed….so is schafer. What is the upside? He has a higher batting ave, but no power. Are you guys really willing to trade a Beachy+prospect in order to add a little on base percentage and a pile of extra salary? Kemp would be ideal but it would take the entire farm to get him and we would never sign. It is not worth it. Stand pat and hope for Uggs and Heyward to come around. Look at what Sandavol is doing this year after his sophomore slump.
Obee
July 14th, 2011
6:34 am
“Schafer could become a very good (not great) player if he wanted to be, but HE has to be the one to make the first move and ask for help and guidance. Personally though, I think he’s too arrogant and thinks his God given ability will take him where he wants to go and obviously that hasn’t happened.”
You not only know how Schafer thinks, but exactly what he’s doing or not doing to improve. You probably know what he eats for breakfast, too, I suppose.
joe
July 14th, 2011
7:05 am
all this conversation about help wouldn’t be nessesary if the Braves didn’t have the weakest collection of position players at the AAA level in all of baseball. There is no help at Gwinnett. nice to have a great stock of minor league pitchers but at some point you need some talent for the other 8 positions…..
Trojan
July 14th, 2011
8:41 am
What about Minor and Tehran to the bullpen, they have gotten experience in AAA and they could definitely bring their great arms to the bullpen for the final 2 months.
Also, bring up the AAA guy and let him platoon in LF.
del@houston
July 14th, 2011
9:44 am
JW are you seriuos!!! Schafer is as good as Bourn!!!! Not even close… 1) Bourn is a lot faster and has a lot more steals. 2) Bourn D is a lot better than Schafer. Bourn has 2 Gold Gloves in center. How many does Schafer have??? Yes, keep on being satisfied welcome back to the 90’s Brave fans!!!!
CRMAC300
July 14th, 2011
9:57 am
Braves don’t need any changes. Get a decent second half out of Uggla and Heyward, get Moylan back in the bullpen, get Chipper as healthy as he can be at this stage of his career, get Prado healthy, and this team has everything that it needs to compete with the Phillies. You guys that are screaming for another bat or another pitcher are the same guys that are never satisfied with your lives and have never run a business. Simple economics dictate. Frank Wren has put together a pretty good team with limited resources. Enjoy their effort and quit complaining! It’s going to work out! Have a little faith! Be a fan! Root for the team! Shut up!
del@houston
July 14th, 2011
10:06 am
What if Chipper doesn’t come back healthy? He’s not in his 20’s anymore its going to be harder for him to be 100pct then Prado will be at 3rd base and who’s going to play in the outfield. Guys a player like Bourn will not cost you much why take a chance and he will improve your lineup BIG TIME!!!
JJJ
July 14th, 2011
10:07 am
Delgado for JJ Hardy, bat him behind Schafer
del@houston
July 14th, 2011
10:14 am
Hardy is going to cost you more than 1 prospect. It will cost you 2-3 prospects and I really don’t think they will trade him unless you blow them away with a deal.
jw
July 14th, 2011
10:14 am
del@houston lol Why don’t you try reading what I said. I never said Schafer was “as good” as Bourn. However, Bourn is NOT a LOT faster than Schafer….he has more steals because he has played more games. He also does not play better D. Schafer’s D is top shelf. Gold gloves are not a good metric to measure D especially when you are talking about someone who hasn’t played a full season…idiot. My point is that if you want to get Born you have to look at exactly how much better he is than Schafer, and in what areas. Then you have to decide if that particular excess is worth a Beachy+good prospect. I am saying that I wouldn’t trade a future 3rd starter who strikes out 8 guys a game, with a 3. something era, for a few points on the OBP. You are giving up toooo much. If you disagree fine..but don’t misread what I said and then try to use gold glove accumulation as a metric for anything. Maybe we should bring back Andru Jones bc he has a lot of gold gloves and he must be a great defender….
del@houston
July 14th, 2011
10:24 am
Schafer will help you in the future. All I’m saying you can use a better player in your lineup. Bourn won’t cost you much a 3rd starter is not much. You guys are set for a long time in pitching. I wish the Astros had that problem.
del@houston
July 14th, 2011
10:27 am
JW by the way theirs no need for name calling. We just having a fun discussion!
jw
July 14th, 2011
10:34 am
I apologize….you are indeed correct. I just think Beachy has too much upside to trade for a few points of OBS. Also Beachy is CHEAP and under control for 5 years. Bourn is expensive and arb eligible if I’m not mistaken. You have to look at what you are paying for what you are getting…not just what you are getting. I agree he is an upgrade…but his cost is too high.
del@houston
July 14th, 2011
10:47 am
I tell you what if you guys 1 and 2 hole hitter start getting on base and Uggla starts hitting just imagine Mcan, Uggla, and Heyward approves just a little your lineup can be pretty scary to face.
Doug
July 14th, 2011
11:03 am
I get to watch the Padres triple A team play alot in Tucson, they have alot of outfielders stacked up….. Ryan Ludwick would be easy to obtain for some pitching & now our front line ones either.
Prado is either the third baseman or left fielder of the future, once Atlanta figures that out ( Chippers future) then they can fill the voided spot. For now it seems most likely a outfielder fits best. Bird would be a good bat if healthy, so would Soriano assumeing his salary would fit.
The Real Pocaroba
July 14th, 2011
11:26 am
We don’t need to make a huge splash before the deadline. How about Betemit? Perfect fit. Plays all over the infield and can play left. Capital Avenue is pushing Uehara but that dude gives up too many long balls. Stay the course. Stop freaking out. Get a bat like Betemit, get Moylan back and continue to play to our strengths. Uggla and Heyward will be more productive…we’re fine.
Gray
July 14th, 2011
11:29 am
I am a life-long Braves fan and, from 1990, until 1994, I worked with a bunch of Minnesota fans, who seemed to think the sun didn’t shine until the Twins (and, in the All-Star game and World Series, other American League teams) woke up.
I haven’t had contact with this group since moving back to Georgia in 1994, but I’d love to stick this one in their faces!!
Smoove Criminal
July 14th, 2011
11:31 am
@Obee, I read the post from Chop and actually kind of agree with him/her. Sorry, but I too have to call Schafer out on his arrogance. Got to meet him and get his autograph on the Braves caravan tour or whatever they call it over the offseason. The guy is a little self absorbed with himself.
@jw, I think you’re going just a tad overboard calling Schafer’s D top shelf. It isn’t average but its nowhere close to what Andruw Jones gave us for so many years (and never will be), he makes a fair amount of ordinary plays look jaw dropping for reasons other than his “spectacular defense.”
My parents live in Houston and I’ve been out there a handful of times to see Astros games while I’m visiting and I have to agree with del@houston. I’ve personally seen both Bourn and Schafer play….Bourn IS much faster than Schafer. Schafer has a better arm but I think the D is equal. You are correct that Bourn doesn’t hit for power, it obvious. That’s not his game, never will be. But atleast he doesn’t go up there looking like Stevie Wonder most at-bats against LHP. Bourn hits lefties well, has a good BA, and a good OBP…..the last 2 are things you like from a leadoff hitter, something Schafer has struggled with so far.
Gray
July 14th, 2011
11:38 am
Doug, You’re right. Old man, Chipper has stayed much too long.
Last year was supposed to have been his last but he didn’t retire because he didn’t want his career to end on an injury.
So now, after having a few good weeks, he’s injured, yet again.
I do hope he’ll hang up the cleats now though!
Mitch McConnell's Chins
July 14th, 2011
11:56 am
We could approve a deal for Ludwick for a very low-level prospect, but no increase in spending to pay him. We might go along with taxing the hot dog vendors to increase payroll if we can convice people it was somebody else’s idea.
RiffRaff
July 14th, 2011
12:16 pm
The biggest disappointment so far this year? Uggla. Makes way too much money to suck this bad.
robrob
July 14th, 2011
12:22 pm
Joseph, I am not hating on Chipper. The Atlanta Braves are a business and although Chipper has been a BIG TICKET for quite a long time, he is not now. He has always been a team player and a great clubhouse guy. All I am saying is Chipper knows he has only a few seasons left. Lets give the money to someone that can be a building block for our future vs. someone who will be hunting ducks in a few years. Heyward, Freeman, Kimbrel, Venters, Beachy Prado, McCann are our future.
brungard4atl
July 14th, 2011
12:29 pm
we need to make a move, period! I think michael bourn and willingham sound great, but we cannot get matt kemp. especially if we trade J.J. for him. we better get a really good prospect along with kemp. If uggla keeps struggling,although is improving, why not trade him? we could get an right handed outfielder and move prado back to 2nd.
brungard4atl
July 14th, 2011
12:31 pm
we are also going to need a shortstop. A Gon is still producing, but he’s getting closer to the end of his career
william O
July 14th, 2011
1:01 pm
you are talking big names and alot of prospects for a rental. lowe and a couple of low level prospects to the yankees for someone like nunez. its a bat coming off the bench and he can be a late inning replacement for chipper to give him a rest. it cant be good to keep moving prado from the outfield to the infield and if ugla dont produce to switch prado to second he cn also be a rest for gonzo every once in a while. the yankees are looking for a middle of the rotation guy and it makes sense for tham to make that deal. you guys are all looking for that big name to put in the lineup . go with someone a little less flashy and he does have speed.
william O
July 14th, 2011
1:14 pm
if not that then give denard span a try. hes batting close to 300 and is a more than adiquate fielder. hes got some speed and you would aliviate that problem at center. you are so ready to give up on a guy like heyward because he has a sophmore slump. they all go through it and have gone on to great careers. JJ no way am i dealing this guy, no matter who his agent is. you get rid of lowe and find a way to get rid of KKs contract and it relieves some of the money problems I have to admit that I too was in favor of the ugla trade and since have been less than happy with it but life goes on. this season only needs a little tweeking at the top for a speedy bat, we have enough pop. we need a setup guy. by the way this isnt fantasy baseball and you cant get rid of all your garbage for great players. thats why the nova for lowe deal would make sense for both party’s Lets get real and get ready for a dog fight in the second half and when its over its been a good ride
jcclimbs
July 14th, 2011
1:46 pm
Y’all are just plain weird. I’ve been a dedicated Braves fan since ‘66, when I was 8 years old and they moved to ATL. I remember going to the Stadium in the ’70s and being able to count everyone in the stands. i was there when we had less than a thousand spectators, 600k for the season, and that’s just the way it was. Where I learned to eat Chik-Fil-As.
Now I’m in VT because ATL got too crowded and too hot. All the friggin’ Yankees moved down there for the climate(!). Go figure. The thing I find most amusing is that everyone on this site was ready to dump JJ during spring training because he missed some starts. You guys have the attention span of a mayfly. And there are always some geniuses who think we can trade crap for gold like Kemp. Wishful thinking, and thinking that everyone else is as stupid as you are, gets bupkus. A good friend of mine who is a real baseball astute (I’m serious), e-mailed in Apr. that Freeman wasn’t ready and might never be.
Oops.
It’s a marathon guys, not a sprint. Heyward is the real deal, so is FF, and Ugly will hit, he always has. This is the weird part about baseball: You’ve got to grind it out, and then have everything come together for three weeks in Oct. I think there’s a pretty decent chance of that happening here. Yeah, kemp, Ellersby, Beltran, etc. might be exciting, and might not mean squat. Not every trade is a McGriff. Some are a Jeff Reardon.
bobby cerasuolo
July 14th, 2011
2:25 pm
Ok noone agree the Reds will give up Stubbs ok how bout this Minor Harrilchack and Schafer for Hart and Carlos Gomez.
Geoff
July 14th, 2011
2:58 pm
Derek Lowe & Nate McClouth for Brett Gardner, Andruw Jones & cold hard CASH!!! DO IT!!!
Shonuff
July 14th, 2011
4:04 pm
I’m sure the Braves would like to move Derek Lowe, but there is no chance another team would take him. This guy is making 15 million this year and 15 mill next. It is one of the top 20 worst contracts in baseball right now. Lowe is basically making a similiar salary to Roy Halladay. We’re stuck with Lowe.
Bravesfan101010
July 14th, 2011
4:44 pm
Why not consider a possibly trade for JOSE BAUTISTA? I mean that spells a world series.. We have the talent to get him and the only way the Blue Jays will compete in the al east is pitching his value is at an all time high right now i think that they would have to atleast consider it and see what they can get..
Packer Ed
July 14th, 2011
5:55 pm
Lets go get us a third baseman and move Prado to left.
Lets get David Wright of the New York Mets, class guy that would be a great brave, price not too high. Forget Matt Kemp, price too high.
Mister Frisky
July 14th, 2011
5:59 pm
Sure the Braves will be just fine when Prado and Jones get back and oh yeah as long as Uggla,Schafer,Mc Clouth,Gonzalez,Heyward have I forgot any other lousy hitters start hitting.If my aunt had a set she would be my uncle.All the above ain’t happening.Good Bye wild card if something large doesn’t happen.
laj
July 14th, 2011
10:47 pm
Enter your comments here A proven cf like Bourne who plays defense,
leads off and steals bases would help this team the most. Also, moving
Prado back to 2b and let Uggla be an expensive pinch hitter.
BravesFan2011
July 16th, 2011
9:24 am
Some of you “braves fan” crack me up trade Hanson, JJ or even Heyward is quite obsurd…not only is Hanson and JJ having a great year but they are the future of our rotation and Heyward is in his second season in the majors give the guy a break…ever since schafer started playing on the everyday bases the braves have gotten more aggresive and have found ways to get the win….McClouth on the other hand is the one who needs to get traded
I say keep Schafer get rid of McClouth for a RH bat…we’ll be fine once Peter Moylan comes back that’ll get rid of Proctor (bum)
idk who would be a good fit for the braves as a RH bat but it’s obvious we need one cause our BA against lefties is terrible
Jack J.
July 19th, 2011
3:01 pm
David Wright would be just right! bbbbbut this oppion;
Marion Byrd can play all o.f. positions without giving up the farm prospects!
offer Shafer, Mclouth, A. gonzalaz, Lowe to save on money for Byrd.
shortstop may be solved with Edward Salcedo out of Braves minor league; he is only 19 and the Braves future also if nothing happens to him!
forget about the pitching prospects Braves have……they are the future!