12:10 pm July 13, 2011, by David O'Brien
July 13th, 20115:55 pm
Ok. Here’s what needs to happen. The guys who say anything about trading for Kemp, need to leave. Guys who say we need to get rid of McClouth, Proctor, and Heyward, get out. We know they suck but they ain’t goin’ nowhere. I mean Heyward will get better but I swear, everytime he goes up to hit I get nervous. Bourn would be awesome in the outfield but knowing Wren he’ll go for the cheaper options. I just don’t see how Ludwick would help our team. I don’t see where he would fit either.. Honestly, Chipper is holding the Braves back from making any significant moves. He’s overpayed for sitting on the bench crying about his knee, and he is making it hard for us to trade for a decent outfielder because he has to come back in a few weeks only to roll out to second base every at-bat. I guess my point is that if you’re looking for anything significant to happen, you’re looking in the wrong place cause Wren and company like money.
July 13th, 20115:57 pm
And I think Schafer is good for us in center. Sure his OBP isn’t good at all, but look at Alex. It could be WAY worse. Schafer has made some great plays as well as McClouth, and I think he could be just as good as Bourn if he gets the help he needs.
July 13th, 20115:58 pm
Schafer and Delgado for Kemp???
ROTFLMAO……………..when pigs fly
July 13th, 20116:02 pm
I read these proposed trades and realize that many of these posters are fools. They tend to forget that, in trades, the Braves tend to be the ones to get screwed and not the team trading with the Braves,
I’ll suggest an award to the poster who wants the Braves to make the trade with the Reds for Stubbs, Heisey, et als. That one surpasses even the proposed Kemp deals in its level of stupidity.
I’m waiting for someone to recommend a trade of Gonzalez and Schafer for Beltran and Reyes. It can’t be far behind.
July 13th, 20116:04 pm
Hensenberg out, g’day mates
July 13th, 20116:17 pm
As long as Frank Wren doesn’t do something like the Tex deal or the JD Drew deal, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. How about a little help from Liberty?
Hinske Da Man
July 13th, 20116:18 pm
The reason why the Braves will never get over the hump is because the payroll is to low. While teams like the Phillies, Red Sox, Yankees, and in the past the Mets were able to spend big, their teams benefited from those players that had to be paid well to come in and do what they do best.
You can’t count on Chipper being healthy the rest of the way, he is 39 and has had some injuries lately. Prado is a safe bet to come back and produce well. Gonzalez has been for the most part ineffective all season, and all depends on how Uggla’s bat comes around.
I don’t want to see the Braves mortgage their future by trading for a rental player, but I would like for just once for the Braves to make a impact trade that goes on to significantly help this team and take them deep into the playoffs and possibly win the World Series. We have the pitching to do it, we just always seem to come up short in one aspect of the team.
July 13th, 20116:21 pm
NO this Braves team DOES NEED a good right handed bat that hits for average with the occasional pop to put them over the hump and reclaim the division title. I’m sorry but Jordan Shaefer and especially Nate McClouth are not really bringing much to the table offensive wise. Surprisingly Shaefer is actually doing more at the plate than McClouth with bunting, getting on base, and stealing bases. Isn’t that what we brought McClouth over to do? He really hasn’t done it. Also, even though I like his defense, I wouldn’t mind us bringing in a offensive upgrade over Alex Gonzalez. Sure he gets the occasional good hit and the occasional home run, but he also swings at plain TERRIBLE pitches in the dirt and in the other batters box and strikes out killing any potential rallies. He needs to get reaquainted with the strike zone. He swings at pitches some times that never started as a strike!
July 13th, 20116:25 pm
For all you morons who think we need to trade Heyward…put down the joint…get rid of the bong because you are HIGH…SO HIGH! He has been hampered by injury this year and having a sophmore slump.
SOWEGA Braves Fan
July 13th, 20116:51 pm
Peter Bourjos from the Angels.
July 13th, 20116:53 pm
lo primero limpiar la casa protocor,kawakami.parrish,martines gearin nate y a wren. eso es el problema u hombre q notiene para lf dietro. y mira todo el dinero q a gastado y no encuentra el problema jhom shujols coje la rienda d tu pupilo q c colgo
July 13th, 20116:54 pm
Bourjos 24y/o gold glove caliber CF w/ blazing speed. With the call up of #1 prospect Mike Trout to play CF Bourjos may be available for starting pitching help…say Lowe & Mclouth + cash ??
July 13th, 20117:13 pm
Is Pastornicky going to get a shot anytime soon? Is Simmons going to be a position player or a pitcher? Who has won the SS position in Rome? Salcedo or Lipka?
July 13th, 20117:35 pm
Is Andrew McCutchen out of the picture for some reason? I mean, yeah, he’s a free agent next year, but I’m all for trying to lock this guy into a 3-5 year deal. He’s a true lead off man, hitting .291 this year and managed a respectable .286 his previous 2 years. He stole over 30 bases his first full season, was on pace for 30 the previous year, and has a good chance for another 30 SB season this year. Not to mention he’s added a good bit of power this year, too, on pace for 25 HRs (although last year he had at 15 and was on pace for around 15-20 in a full season in 2009 when he only appeared in 108 games) and he projected to rack up about 100 RBIs (for the Pirates nonetheless), which is a commodity the Braves could use a few more of. However, yes, it could mean losing one of our 3 highly touted minor league pitchers and one or two of our several utility OFs. Still, I wouldn’t mind locking Cutch up for for a 5-year/$25 million deal this coming off season. After all, the Braves are freeing up about $7 million when Kenshin’s contract runs out, another $5 mil after next season when Mclouth’s does, and $15 mil the next year with Lowe’s running out. Not to mention another $13 when Chipper finally chooses to hang up the spikes. We only need 1 of our 3 possible prospects to work out to replace Lowe, because if Hudson doesn’t show signs of serious breakdown I’d be all for another 3 years after his current contract runs out. Really, the only tough decision I see in the next couple of years is signing an OF when Jones does retire and Prado takes over 3rd (I assume), and there’s seldom a lack of decent OFs available.
Mitch McConnell's Chins
July 13th, 20118:26 pm
We think the Braves should stand pat. Look at all the guys in the lineup who are not hitting what they have in the past. And still, the team is winning. We didn’t think at the beginning of the season they could possibly beat out the Phillies but now, with some of the hitters stepping up as they should, we think it can happen. These guys play well together, and Schaffer has really helped a shaky defense. The starting pitching is wonderful and the bullpen is the best in club history.
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July 13th, 20118:30 pm
mitch mconnell’s chin has the BEST NAME on here LOL
July 13th, 20118:31 pm
Come on yall, Heyward is only 21yrs old….the right kind of hitting coach to work with and he’ll be find. Look at Jose’ Bautista for the BlueJays, he came up with the P. Pirates and couldn’t hit that good at all but look at him now. I believe in due time he’ll get his swing together. Be patient if you are a true Braves fan like me!!!!!
July 13th, 20119:06 pm
A lot of people are asking where Quentin or Pence would play if the Braves traded for one of them when Chipper and Prado get back. Well it is actually pretty obvious. Schafer and McLouth both sit, Heyward moves to CF, Pence/Quentin would play RF, and Prado would stay at LF. I don’t like the thought of sitting Schafer with his spark unless it is for Bourn, which is why I don’t think the Braves will trade for any OF position unless it is for Bourn or Pence, but Pence isn’t going to be available. Not to mention that Schafer is continuously raising his average lately. It has gone from right at .200 to over .230 recently so making a trade right now doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I say just stick with what we have for now and try to sign Cuddyer or someone in FA if we need an OF position.
July 13th, 20119:10 pm
@MattyStice….McLouth comes out of contract after THIS year not next. And the money for him on the books next year due to a club option is $10.65MM. So not picking up his option frees up almost $17MM this offseason just on KK and McLouth alone. And Lowe frees up next year not year after next.
July 13th, 20119:14 pm
@Mike Kendall….I agree that Pastornicky should be getting a shot with the big league club. He is hitting over .300 and had more than 40 SBs last year and is on pace for another 40 this year. Simmons is going to be a position player because currently he is the starting SS at Lynchburg (A+). Salcedo is playing 3B because he doesn’t have the range to play SS at the major league level and Lipka is playing SS at Rome.
July 13th, 20119:25 pm
This is an idea I haven’t heard anything about but seems like would be mutually beneficial. A package of mclouth/schafer, minor, and Derek Lowe + aprox 7 mil cash would prob be enough for Brett Gardner and a 2nd tier prospect. We could make mclouth or schafer our 4th of and we wouldn’t have to sell the farm. What do you guys think?
July 13th, 20119:30 pm
I enjoy reading the opinions expressed on this blog. Some wanting Bourne,Cuddyer,Pence, Quenten,and a host of different names. The Braves got the right handed bat they coveted when the traded for Uggla, and although he has struggled in the first half of the season he still leads the team in homeruns. It stands to reason that if more people were on base when Uggla hit those long balls it may have resulted in a couple more wins at least. Just like how Uggla has struggled who is to say Hunter Pence, Bourne, Quenten and the others will not struggle the same way, with the expectation of performing in a pressure situation.
Secodly with the exception of Bourne in Center, where will the others play?.
I agree with Mac that we have the pieces to go very far despite our performance in Philadelphia this past weekend.
I hope Wren don’t mortgage the Farm as was done in the Tex trade. This team is performing at or above expectations, and can be a juggernaut for years to come, considering the average age of the team and the young arms at the Major League and in the system at the lower levels.
July 13th, 20119:37 pm
McClouth has a buy out option for 2012 it is $1.25 mil
July 13th, 20119:41 pm
Schafer’s “spark” since June 1:
June: .214 .260 .316 .576
July: .256 .256 .326 .582
color me unimpressed
Nate since moving to the 8 hole:
.267 .426 .436 .862
not too shabby
July 13th, 20119:42 pm
Out of all the post, there may be about 3 that make sense. And about 80% of you never even picked up a glove. Trade JJ and trade Tommy Hanson??? You people go back to your parents basement and listen Brad Paisley’s song Online..
July 13th, 20119:44 pm
To: John 30456 – I am with you, very happy that some of the contributors on this blog are not the Braves GM and neither will they have any input in any personnel decision. There are some crazy suggestions here, and these are the same folks that will cry loudest if next year or years from now they see Theron, Minor, JJ, or any of the young arms traded away then come back to haunt us like Wainwright does for the Cardinals.
We have no open positions. Heyward RF, Shaffer CF, Prado LF. Chipper 3B, Gonzalez SS, Uggla 2B, Freeman 1B, McCann C.
Unless Chipper misses more time than the expected 3 weeks, we’re not gonna trade for a position player. We’ll probably get an extra bench player that bats righty and bullpen help, but that’s it.
July 13th, 20119:50 pm
i wouldn’t call the CF combo of nate/schafer untouchable…its definitely an upgradeable position, jordan could be sent down for more seasoning and nate could be a 4th outfielder on chippers return
July 13th, 201110:04 pm
Trade for Hunter Pence or Michael Bourn and give up in return McLouth, Delgado and another mid-level prospect.Both Pence and Bourn would provide another outfielder with speed, good average and some pop. If I were Wren I would do this tomorrow!
July 13th, 201110:08 pm
Only deal I see Wren pulling is trading for Mike Cameron.
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July 13th, 201110:09 pm
A Gardner deal won’t happen. We need RH hitter or SH. In reality we get a low level prospect for the”favor” of taking Lowe’s contract. To get Bourne (far too sensible), it would take a great package.
And as far as Heyward in CF, IMO he’s having developmental problems in RF, in CF he’d cost us far more than his current plate production. Hasn’t it been apparent since Schafer’s been in there what an upgrade he’s been from McLouth? Let’s not go backward
July 13th, 201110:11 pm
OK here the skinny on what the Braves can do. Both the Giants and Reds need SS help, so why not package A-gon and maybe Diory to one of the two teams for a CF either Torres from SF or Stubbs.and miguiel Cario Or maybe packaging A-gon Mclouth Minor and Proctor to the Yankees for Gardern and Kevin Russo.
July 13th, 201110:14 pm
Amazing all the trades everyone is coming up with!! Mortgage the future for Kemp ???I dont think so.Hunter Pence would be a good fit both offense and defense.The minor league system is loaded.Salcedo at Rome is maybe a year away,There are three legit prospects on the Rome roster,
What are the people we need to double check there value,,Gonzalez good defensive shortstop who whiffs 50% of the time or does it just seem that often.Stubbs from the Reds look at his K ratio.Shaefer is better defense than Kemp,Byrd or Stubbs,Pittsburgh Nate in the final year of his contract.We need to assume Moylan will be back. and possibly Medlen Get rid of the two JIC,s(Just in Case)Linebrink and Proctor…Take a chance and bring Stephen Marek up from the G-Braves.move Lowe to the pen as a long releiver or bring Martinez back even DOB would be an upgrade to Linebrink & Proctor.
Tehran and Delgado are both ready to jump into the rotaion and Minor needs to re read his press clipings….How about Mark Reynolds from Baltimore(the 21st century Dave Kingman)..Aramis Ramierez would be a good fit at third with Prado in left and Heyward is still suffering from the sophomore blues but he will wake up….Liberty media makes more money than they can fold with their fantasy hotel movies.Wake up Liberty as you ready to try to sell The Braves remember a winning franchise brings considerably more even in a sluggish economy…How we all yearn for the return of Captain Outrageous bring Ted back to The Ted…!!!
July 13th, 201110:17 pm
And Torres would be an upgrade because…? Realistically, Byrd is probably going to the target, and won’t cost much
July 13th, 201110:26 pm
Really!Really! People the braves have the second best record in the NL!!!
Trading J- hey get real people he is 21 years old!!! FW knows what he is doing I bet he already has a plan let go of sp please he cost us alot of games who throws a fastball right the middle to a first pitch hitter
July 13th, 201110:33 pm
Braves fans, the problem with you guys is, when you guys are 1-2 players away from being world series champions ya don’t pull the trigger because you guys don’t want to get rid of your prospects. What’s the point to making the playoffs of your going to get elimanated in the 1st round. Are you guys satisfied of making the playoffs 13 times or however times it was in the 90’s and coming out with one championship? I wouldn’t…. You have the prospects use them. Bourne will be excellent for the braves, why do you think Pence has all those RBI’s, Bourne gets on and its an automatic double because he steals 2nd majority of the time. So imagine Bourn in that lineup, the pitcher will make mistakes with Bourn on because of his base stealing threat, and let those Braves power hitters due their job. You have the pitching imagine Bourn in that lineup. Pence will be a GREAT player to add also but will cost 2-3 of your good prospects. Pull the trigger!!!
Although Stubbs strikes out far too much he will improve with experience. With his potential, youth, speed and decent power, there is no way the Reds will trade him.
July 13th, 201110:35 pm
@ andy: What’s a glove? Sheesh….
Everybody wants an addition but don’t want to get ready of anybody. We don’t have room with the ones we have(the ones we have are not good enough with the exeption of the pitchers). Does that makes sense? Lets try a blockbuster. We need to let somebody good go to get anything in return and the payrol is going to go up if we get anyone good. Get real. We have so many good pitchers and they all can not be in the lineup at the same time. I like Bourne or Pency in center(Somebody said he can play center).
July 13th, 201110:38 pm
mike mangan-Marek was doing great two months ago but Tommy John surgery makes him unavailable for a call-up. Dont believe me check the press release.
“Braves transferred RHP Stephen Marek to the 60-day disabled list. Marek underwent Tommy John reconstructive elbow surgery in mid-May and isn’t going to be ready to pitch again until the 2012 season.”
July 13th, 201110:48 pm
@Mike…with all due respect sir…I do not think Teheran is quite ready. He might be ready this spring, but not this year. In my opinion it is confidence with Teheran at the majors right now. He has the stuff for sure, and I came away from his starts with the opinion of…..He has the stuff and the command, but doesn’t trust his stuff just yet at the major level to get batter’s out, that he might be over thinking out there. Just my opinion.
99% of the trades on here are honestly laughable. Liberty will not spend money….and @BravesRockALot……Chipper is crying about his knee? Pathetic sir.
I will admit I would like to see them ASK about Bourjos. But I am very unsure of his asking price. I know Trout is supposed to be the best thing that happened before Harper was….but I think asking price is too high. Still would at least find out what it would cost though.
July 13th, 201110:59 pm
Joseph- Good points. In the article DOB talks about the Braves getting a RH bat without giving up and prospects. You would think we would be hearing names like Josh Willingham, Peter Bourjos, etc. in the comments section but instead we talk about Andrew McCutchen, Jose Reyes, and Matt Kemp. LOL… I hear that some guy named Ryan Braun is available and the Brewers are just looking for a PLTBNL and Kawakami
July 13th, 201111:06 pm
good one braveslifer. Can we throw in Chipper too? Since he is a crybaby about a little tiny sore knee and is stealing money? I laugh and get irritated at the same time to think this is a small sample size of what the national media thinks of Atlanta sports fan as a whole and why Atlanta is viewed as a bad sports town. I love passion. Hell I would love to get a Kemp or Pence, and while we are at it let’s also get Castro from the Cubs? I am sorry, I wish we had an owner like we did with Ted, but I live in reality and know we are limited and look at limited options.
July 13th, 201111:12 pm
Also Brave fans, you guys better hope Phillies don’t pick up Pence because that will make the Phillies a very scary team too play in the playoffs. That’s one team that’s one player away from being champions.
July 13th, 201111:14 pm
Why not Chipper Jones career batting average is barely over .300. With that type of low average he should be able to play all the infield positions and throw about 50 innings of relief. Plus to top it off he has only played for the Braves in his 18 year career. I mean what kind of player refuses to play elsewhere for more money. He must have been scared. Switch hitting is overrated!
July 13th, 201111:18 pm
This is one of the greatest times of the year….July. The trading deadline is nearing. That’s why I love to read all these idea’s and rumors. Most are just off the wall, and if they were proposed in MLB The Show, the computer would even decline unless the trade mode was turned off. I read MLB Trade Rumors about ever hour hoping FW makes us a good deal. I’m not one that studies stats in the pro’s, I watch how they play. I’m a high school coach, so I look differently at the game than some that post. There’s a lot of idea’s that make sense. But for sake of the baseball greats, do not think of trading the young stars. Jordan S. Is going to be a player…he’s got some talent and he will break out, just don’t know when. I don’t like to play GM, cause the threat of another Texeria deal scares the living daylights out of me. I was a fan of Andrus….I met him just 2 days before he was traded at a minor league game in Wilmington, DE. Trades are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get….I’m a Braves Fan, I’ll love them with whoever the hell they put out there. Hell, if they wanted me to suit up, I run through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball..
July 13th, 201111:25 pm
@Andy….well said sir. My only problem with Schafer is his OBP. Love the defense. Aside from Andruw…best since Nixon in CF. But with the bat in the crucial leadoff spot…..sub .300OBP is not good it is bad. He has talent. I would like to upgrade CF and keep Schafer if possible just for PR and defensive sub reasons alone, but more important bullpen needs help. Moylan is a true battler and he is sorely missed right now, but how effective will he be in August (after the deadline)? Back surgery is a tough recovery to project. And lastly Andy, a lot of people forget that the guys that got the Rangers over the top (yes Lee had a lot to do with it also) is all of the pitchers that came from this organization. Just think if they were still here and who might not have been signed because of it? Just an idea to consider and remember before clammoring for a HUGE deal.
July 13th, 201111:27 pm
I hear Andrew Jones is coming back for a few months rental. Those who think that Chipper will be back in 3 weeks obviously don’t watch Braves baseball. Chipper is always hurt and at his age, he is more likely to be out than in. We need a bat, I don’t care righty or lefty, we need a damn bat. If we find a bargin outfield bat we can move Prado to third and move forward. WE are not making it past October with a cippled Chipper, lousy Uggly, and Heyward with a Chip on his shoulder!!!
July 13th, 201111:29 pm
For those who watched the All Star game last night did you see Pence gun that dude out at home…. The guy also got a hit- Pence will bring a lot of energy to the Braves ya will become Pence right away!!!
July 13th, 201111:30 pm
Remind McCann the Braves were in first place before the break with a 6 game lead on the Phillies. Also remind him Chipper looks pretty gimpy and AGON cannot hit.
Love the optimism but Mac has been on a tear. He cannot carry the team all summer given his position and the wear/tear that is yet to come.
If the get an Ankiel type dude for peanuts why bother.
Open up the minors and get Kemp with an extension signing window.
Wren will not have this much if an arm surplus for some time.
July 13th, 201111:31 pm
July 13th, 201111:40 pm
This year I don’t see much trading going on for the Braves. Next year, we have to do something though. Kawakami and McClouth are gone. Hope we can find a buyer for Lowe. I feel like Chipper could restructure his contract for the Braves to sign a young right handed bat. Look at what’s going on in other sports. The veterans are saying, let’s win and win now. Chipper is great for the Braves but not worth what he is getting paid.
I will laugh my rear end off when Chipper is selected to the HOF on the first ballot and all the people on here that said over and over and over again that he is too old….he never plays hurt…he is selfish…he never cared about the team….etc…………..will be here saying 1 of 2 things……..1) he is so great….best player ever…..etc………..or 2) he doesn’t deserve it he sucks………….
Haters will always be there. I just wonder why so much venom? I could prove every single point of the haters on Chipper wrong with documented numbers, but the response would be “so what…..he sucks……overpaid….never plays hurt…….is selfish” with no proof. It is honestly sad that there is so much hatred for a man that did everything he could to help the team and always put team ahead of himself and yet call themselves fans.
July 13th, 201111:43 pm
@robrob….Chipper has redone his contract before for the same reason. He moved to LF and gave up automatic All-star appearances (that was a bonus in those contracts) so the team could sign Vinny Castilla.
July 13th, 201111:55 pm
Braves need to go for it and stop being scared to trade away prospects. Also, if they make a blockbuster move and get rid of farm talent the least they can do is sign the new guy to a deal and not let him walk. The MT trade wouldn’t have been a bad trade if the Braves had locked him up, but they don’t know how to do that? I agree with the prior post….The Braves or the Hawks for that matter will never be more than a very solid team because they are not willing to spend the money. The Falcons are at least starting to figure things out. Time for the other sports franchises in Atlanta to follow suit before they end up following the Thrashers……
July 14th, 201112:08 am
J at 1:40 has it right. Heyward and Uggla are the keys. Get them going and we’re good to go. I would really enjoy seeing that!
July 14th, 201112:22 am
July 13th, 2011
And I think Schafer is good for us in center. Sure his OBP isn’t good at all, but look at Alex. It could be WAY worse. Schafer has made some great plays as well as McClouth, and I think he could be just as good as Bourn if he gets the help he needs.
Schafer could become a very good (not great) player if he wanted to be, but HE has to be the one to make the first move and ask for help and guidance. Personally though, I think he’s too arrogant and thinks his God given ability will take him where he wants to go and obviously that hasn’t happened. But if he still has .230 BA, sub .300 OBS, and a sub .600 OPS it won’t matter how far Frank Wren has bent over backwards for him before, even a sometimes moronic imbecile like Wren will have to see the writing on the wall and trade for a legit leadoff hitter.
July 14th, 201112:34 am
Where in the world is everyone coming up with these Hunter Pence to Phillies rumors? I mean, one little schmuck rights an article about how Pence would fit for the Phillies and all of the sudden we start getting rumors? People listen to me when I say don’t worry about the Phillies. They put all of their eggs in the pitching basket and if they pull a deal this July it will be for a reliever.
July 14th, 20111:15 am
McCutchen wouldn’t be available, because the pirates can actually win the central this season. Giving all the circumstances, the only bat that I would like to see the braves trade for is JJ Hardy (ss).. Perfect leadoff hitter who bats from the right side. If they (O’s) dont’ resign him it wouldn’t cost much to trade for him.. Can include Agon. People who say well what about future SS.. well the Braves have to sign someone anyways as it is next season.. They may even be inclined to extend him.
July 14th, 20111:17 am
DOB – Why wouldn’t the braves try to make a deal for Colby Rasmus. He would be our center fielder for today and the future. Some of these deals on here are crazy. I am from pittsburgh and they talk about McCutchen being the face of the franchise. No way are they looking to trade him. When you look at this team we are loaded at pitching in the majors and in the minors with some of the top prospects. I would have no problem Trading a Minor, Schaffer and someone else even for Rasmus to team up with Heyward for the next decade in our outfield. What does everyone think.
July 14th, 20111:22 am
“if they (O’s) don’t resign him it wouldn’t cost much……..” With CBA looming a lot is out the window. Although several reports are MLB is more productive during season than other leagues…………Hardy would require at least 2 pitching prospects and another player. I think that is a lot for a guy who is free agent after the season. I love Gonzo’s defense, and I think it is really underrated. Hardy would be nice but I would doubt the price would be a good one………….just my opinion.
July 14th, 20112:25 am
The problem, which is clearly identifiable from all of the conflicting posts on here, is that we have some depth to trade from but there is no clear trade target that works. If we trade for a bat it has to be a cf or a rh bench player. Pence is out bc he doesn’t play cf…where would you put him? Bourn might be okay but he is left handed and doesn’t hit for power. He is fast…so is schafer, He plays good D…so does schafer, He is left handed….so is schafer. What is the upside? He has a higher batting ave, but no power. Are you guys really willing to trade a Beachy+prospect in order to add a little on base percentage and a pile of extra salary? Kemp would be ideal but it would take the entire farm to get him and we would never sign. It is not worth it. Stand pat and hope for Uggs and Heyward to come around. Look at what Sandavol is doing this year after his sophomore slump.
July 14th, 20116:34 am
“Schafer could become a very good (not great) player if he wanted to be, but HE has to be the one to make the first move and ask for help and guidance. Personally though, I think he’s too arrogant and thinks his God given ability will take him where he wants to go and obviously that hasn’t happened.”
You not only know how Schafer thinks, but exactly what he’s doing or not doing to improve. You probably know what he eats for breakfast, too, I suppose.
July 14th, 20117:05 am
all this conversation about help wouldn’t be nessesary if the Braves didn’t have the weakest collection of position players at the AAA level in all of baseball. There is no help at Gwinnett. nice to have a great stock of minor league pitchers but at some point you need some talent for the other 8 positions…..
July 14th, 20118:41 am
What about Minor and Tehran to the bullpen, they have gotten experience in AAA and they could definitely bring their great arms to the bullpen for the final 2 months.
Also, bring up the AAA guy and let him platoon in LF.
July 14th, 20119:44 am
JW are you seriuos!!! Schafer is as good as Bourn!!!! Not even close… 1) Bourn is a lot faster and has a lot more steals. 2) Bourn D is a lot better than Schafer. Bourn has 2 Gold Gloves in center. How many does Schafer have??? Yes, keep on being satisfied welcome back to the 90’s Brave fans!!!!
July 14th, 20119:57 am
Braves don’t need any changes. Get a decent second half out of Uggla and Heyward, get Moylan back in the bullpen, get Chipper as healthy as he can be at this stage of his career, get Prado healthy, and this team has everything that it needs to compete with the Phillies. You guys that are screaming for another bat or another pitcher are the same guys that are never satisfied with your lives and have never run a business. Simple economics dictate. Frank Wren has put together a pretty good team with limited resources. Enjoy their effort and quit complaining! It’s going to work out! Have a little faith! Be a fan! Root for the team! Shut up!
July 14th, 201110:06 am
What if Chipper doesn’t come back healthy? He’s not in his 20’s anymore its going to be harder for him to be 100pct then Prado will be at 3rd base and who’s going to play in the outfield. Guys a player like Bourn will not cost you much why take a chance and he will improve your lineup BIG TIME!!!
July 14th, 201110:07 am
Delgado for JJ Hardy, bat him behind Schafer
July 14th, 201110:14 am
Hardy is going to cost you more than 1 prospect. It will cost you 2-3 prospects and I really don’t think they will trade him unless you blow them away with a deal.
del@houston lol Why don’t you try reading what I said. I never said Schafer was “as good” as Bourn. However, Bourn is NOT a LOT faster than Schafer….he has more steals because he has played more games. He also does not play better D. Schafer’s D is top shelf. Gold gloves are not a good metric to measure D especially when you are talking about someone who hasn’t played a full season…idiot. My point is that if you want to get Born you have to look at exactly how much better he is than Schafer, and in what areas. Then you have to decide if that particular excess is worth a Beachy+good prospect. I am saying that I wouldn’t trade a future 3rd starter who strikes out 8 guys a game, with a 3. something era, for a few points on the OBP. You are giving up toooo much. If you disagree fine..but don’t misread what I said and then try to use gold glove accumulation as a metric for anything. Maybe we should bring back Andru Jones bc he has a lot of gold gloves and he must be a great defender….
July 14th, 201110:24 am
Schafer will help you in the future. All I’m saying you can use a better player in your lineup. Bourn won’t cost you much a 3rd starter is not much. You guys are set for a long time in pitching. I wish the Astros had that problem.
July 14th, 201110:27 am
JW by the way theirs no need for name calling. We just having a fun discussion!
July 14th, 201110:34 am
I apologize….you are indeed correct. I just think Beachy has too much upside to trade for a few points of OBS. Also Beachy is CHEAP and under control for 5 years. Bourn is expensive and arb eligible if I’m not mistaken. You have to look at what you are paying for what you are getting…not just what you are getting. I agree he is an upgrade…but his cost is too high.
July 14th, 201110:47 am
I tell you what if you guys 1 and 2 hole hitter start getting on base and Uggla starts hitting just imagine Mcan, Uggla, and Heyward approves just a little your lineup can be pretty scary to face.
July 14th, 201111:03 am
I get to watch the Padres triple A team play alot in Tucson, they have alot of outfielders stacked up….. Ryan Ludwick would be easy to obtain for some pitching & now our front line ones either.
Prado is either the third baseman or left fielder of the future, once Atlanta figures that out ( Chippers future) then they can fill the voided spot. For now it seems most likely a outfielder fits best. Bird would be a good bat if healthy, so would Soriano assumeing his salary would fit.
The Real Pocaroba
July 14th, 201111:26 am
We don’t need to make a huge splash before the deadline. How about Betemit? Perfect fit. Plays all over the infield and can play left. Capital Avenue is pushing Uehara but that dude gives up too many long balls. Stay the course. Stop freaking out. Get a bat like Betemit, get Moylan back and continue to play to our strengths. Uggla and Heyward will be more productive…we’re fine.
July 14th, 201111:29 am
I am a life-long Braves fan and, from 1990, until 1994, I worked with a bunch of Minnesota fans, who seemed to think the sun didn’t shine until the Twins (and, in the All-Star game and World Series, other American League teams) woke up.
I haven’t had contact with this group since moving back to Georgia in 1994, but I’d love to stick this one in their faces!!
July 14th, 201111:31 am
@Obee, I read the post from Chop and actually kind of agree with him/her. Sorry, but I too have to call Schafer out on his arrogance. Got to meet him and get his autograph on the Braves caravan tour or whatever they call it over the offseason. The guy is a little self absorbed with himself.
@jw, I think you’re going just a tad overboard calling Schafer’s D top shelf. It isn’t average but its nowhere close to what Andruw Jones gave us for so many years (and never will be), he makes a fair amount of ordinary plays look jaw dropping for reasons other than his “spectacular defense.”
My parents live in Houston and I’ve been out there a handful of times to see Astros games while I’m visiting and I have to agree with del@houston. I’ve personally seen both Bourn and Schafer play….Bourn IS much faster than Schafer. Schafer has a better arm but I think the D is equal. You are correct that Bourn doesn’t hit for power, it obvious. That’s not his game, never will be. But atleast he doesn’t go up there looking like Stevie Wonder most at-bats against LHP. Bourn hits lefties well, has a good BA, and a good OBP…..the last 2 are things you like from a leadoff hitter, something Schafer has struggled with so far.
July 14th, 201111:38 am
Doug, You’re right. Old man, Chipper has stayed much too long.
Last year was supposed to have been his last but he didn’t retire because he didn’t want his career to end on an injury.
So now, after having a few good weeks, he’s injured, yet again.
I do hope he’ll hang up the cleats now though!
July 14th, 201111:56 am
We could approve a deal for Ludwick for a very low-level prospect, but no increase in spending to pay him. We might go along with taxing the hot dog vendors to increase payroll if we can convice people it was somebody else’s idea.
July 14th, 201112:16 pm
The biggest disappointment so far this year? Uggla. Makes way too much money to suck this bad.
July 14th, 201112:22 pm
Joseph, I am not hating on Chipper. The Atlanta Braves are a business and although Chipper has been a BIG TICKET for quite a long time, he is not now. He has always been a team player and a great clubhouse guy. All I am saying is Chipper knows he has only a few seasons left. Lets give the money to someone that can be a building block for our future vs. someone who will be hunting ducks in a few years. Heyward, Freeman, Kimbrel, Venters, Beachy Prado, McCann are our future.
July 14th, 201112:29 pm
we need to make a move, period! I think michael bourn and willingham sound great, but we cannot get matt kemp. especially if we trade J.J. for him. we better get a really good prospect along with kemp. If uggla keeps struggling,although is improving, why not trade him? we could get an right handed outfielder and move prado back to 2nd.
July 14th, 201112:31 pm
we are also going to need a shortstop. A Gon is still producing, but he’s getting closer to the end of his career
July 14th, 20111:01 pm
you are talking big names and alot of prospects for a rental. lowe and a couple of low level prospects to the yankees for someone like nunez. its a bat coming off the bench and he can be a late inning replacement for chipper to give him a rest. it cant be good to keep moving prado from the outfield to the infield and if ugla dont produce to switch prado to second he cn also be a rest for gonzo every once in a while. the yankees are looking for a middle of the rotation guy and it makes sense for tham to make that deal. you guys are all looking for that big name to put in the lineup . go with someone a little less flashy and he does have speed.
July 14th, 20111:14 pm
if not that then give denard span a try. hes batting close to 300 and is a more than adiquate fielder. hes got some speed and you would aliviate that problem at center. you are so ready to give up on a guy like heyward because he has a sophmore slump. they all go through it and have gone on to great careers. JJ no way am i dealing this guy, no matter who his agent is. you get rid of lowe and find a way to get rid of KKs contract and it relieves some of the money problems I have to admit that I too was in favor of the ugla trade and since have been less than happy with it but life goes on. this season only needs a little tweeking at the top for a speedy bat, we have enough pop. we need a setup guy. by the way this isnt fantasy baseball and you cant get rid of all your garbage for great players. thats why the nova for lowe deal would make sense for both party’s Lets get real and get ready for a dog fight in the second half and when its over its been a good ride
July 14th, 20111:46 pm
Y’all are just plain weird. I’ve been a dedicated Braves fan since ‘66, when I was 8 years old and they moved to ATL. I remember going to the Stadium in the ’70s and being able to count everyone in the stands. i was there when we had less than a thousand spectators, 600k for the season, and that’s just the way it was. Where I learned to eat Chik-Fil-As.
Now I’m in VT because ATL got too crowded and too hot. All the friggin’ Yankees moved down there for the climate(!). Go figure. The thing I find most amusing is that everyone on this site was ready to dump JJ during spring training because he missed some starts. You guys have the attention span of a mayfly. And there are always some geniuses who think we can trade crap for gold like Kemp. Wishful thinking, and thinking that everyone else is as stupid as you are, gets bupkus. A good friend of mine who is a real baseball astute (I’m serious), e-mailed in Apr. that Freeman wasn’t ready and might never be.
It’s a marathon guys, not a sprint. Heyward is the real deal, so is FF, and Ugly will hit, he always has. This is the weird part about baseball: You’ve got to grind it out, and then have everything come together for three weeks in Oct. I think there’s a pretty decent chance of that happening here. Yeah, kemp, Ellersby, Beltran, etc. might be exciting, and might not mean squat. Not every trade is a McGriff. Some are a Jeff Reardon.
July 14th, 20112:25 pm
Ok noone agree the Reds will give up Stubbs ok how bout this Minor Harrilchack and Schafer for Hart and Carlos Gomez.
July 14th, 20112:58 pm
Derek Lowe & Nate McClouth for Brett Gardner, Andruw Jones & cold hard CASH!!! DO IT!!!
July 14th, 20114:04 pm
I’m sure the Braves would like to move Derek Lowe, but there is no chance another team would take him. This guy is making 15 million this year and 15 mill next. It is one of the top 20 worst contracts in baseball right now. Lowe is basically making a similiar salary to Roy Halladay. We’re stuck with Lowe.
July 14th, 20114:44 pm
Why not consider a possibly trade for JOSE BAUTISTA? I mean that spells a world series.. We have the talent to get him and the only way the Blue Jays will compete in the al east is pitching his value is at an all time high right now i think that they would have to atleast consider it and see what they can get..
July 14th, 20115:55 pm
Lets go get us a third baseman and move Prado to left.
Lets get David Wright of the New York Mets, class guy that would be a great brave, price not too high. Forget Matt Kemp, price too high.
July 14th, 20115:59 pm
Sure the Braves will be just fine when Prado and Jones get back and oh yeah as long as Uggla,Schafer,Mc Clouth,Gonzalez,Heyward have I forgot any other lousy hitters start hitting.If my aunt had a set she would be my uncle.All the above ain’t happening.Good Bye wild card if something large doesn’t happen.
July 14th, 201110:47 pm
Enter your comments here A proven cf like Bourne who plays defense,
leads off and steals bases would help this team the most. Also, moving
Prado back to 2b and let Uggla be an expensive pinch hitter.
July 16th, 20119:24 am
Some of you “braves fan” crack me up trade Hanson, JJ or even Heyward is quite obsurd…not only is Hanson and JJ having a great year but they are the future of our rotation and Heyward is in his second season in the majors give the guy a break…ever since schafer started playing on the everyday bases the braves have gotten more aggresive and have found ways to get the win….McClouth on the other hand is the one who needs to get traded
I say keep Schafer get rid of McClouth for a RH bat…we’ll be fine once Peter Moylan comes back that’ll get rid of Proctor (bum)
idk who would be a good fit for the braves as a RH bat but it’s obvious we need one cause our BA against lefties is terrible
July 19th, 20113:01 pm
David Wright would be just right! bbbbbut this oppion;
Marion Byrd can play all o.f. positions without giving up the farm prospects!
offer Shafer, Mclouth, A. gonzalaz, Lowe to save on money for Byrd.
shortstop may be solved with Edward Salcedo out of Braves minor league; he is only 19 and the Braves future also if nothing happens to him!
forget about the pitching prospects Braves have……they are the future!
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