Kimbrel named as replacement to NL All-Star team – updated

PHILADELPHIA – Braves rookie closer Craig Kimbrel is headed for Tuesday’s All-Star game as a replacement for Giants pitcher Matt Cain, Major League Baseball announced Sunday night.

Giants manager Bruce Bochy waited until after Cain began his outing on Sunday night for the Giants before he named Kimbrel. Cain is ineligible for Tuesday’s game because he pitched on Sunday night.

Kimbrel has recorded 28 saves for the Braves to break Jonathan Papelbon’s major league record for saves by a rookie before the All-Star break. (Papelbon had 26 saves for the Red Sox in 2006).

Kimbrel hasn’t allowed a run in his past 14 appearances, while going 10-for-10 in saves and allowing just three hits and three walks. He leads all major league relievers with 70 strikeouts.

Bochy is believed to have chosen Kimbrel over his teammate Tommy Hanson, in large part because Kimbrel is a reliever who’s used to warming quickly to enter a game. Hanson, who’s 10-4 on the season, is fifth in the National League with a 2.52 ERA and first among qualified starters with a .192 opponents batting average.

Hanson couldn’t make the All-Star team as a replacement for Phillies left-hander Cole Hamels, who also pitched Sunday, because Hamels was selected by player vote. Pirates pitcher Kevin Correia (11-7, 4.01), who was the next highest vote-getting in the player vote, was named as Hamels’ replacement. Cain was a manager’s choice.

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Tron5000

July 10th, 2011
7:28 pm

Great for Craig, but the players voted in Correia over Tommy? That don’t sound right.

NorCal Brave

July 10th, 2011
7:30 pm

Tommy’s more than deserving, but what a thrill for Kimbrel!

Martin

July 10th, 2011
7:32 pm

carroll, tommy hanson is 4th best in era in the NL with a 2.44 ERA

Brave New World

July 10th, 2011
7:32 pm

Both Kimbrell and Hanson are deserving, but Kimbrell has done something no other major leaguer has ever done, so if he gets the nod over Tommy that will be ok. BTW: Both should have already been on the team.

Admiral Ackbar

July 10th, 2011
7:37 pm

It’s a trap! Kimbral selected by Bouchy to replace Matt Cain in the All Star game.

Joseph

July 10th, 2011
7:46 pm

Good for Kimbrel. It would be sweet if he ended up getting the save in the ASG. Serious contender for ROY.

gcs

July 10th, 2011
7:48 pm

Matt Cain??!! What a bunch of BS!. Cain is 7-5 with a 3.22 ERA. Tommy Hanson is 10-4 and a 2.44 ERA.
Bochy is a jerk.

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shawn

July 10th, 2011
7:49 pm

They should both go but thanks to Bochy for inviting too many Giants pitchers who do not deserve to be there…Bruce Bochy is a moron…

StartDiory

July 10th, 2011
8:06 pm

Proctor needs to be waived by the time we start back on Friday.

RBG

July 10th, 2011
8:09 pm

I would rather have Tommy NOT pitch on tuesday and start for us on saturday with good rest.Our pitchers typically do NOT shine in the all star game…

Scott

July 10th, 2011
8:14 pm

Hanson got screwed but at least he will get some rest this week for the big playoff run

NickB

July 10th, 2011
8:18 pm

I’ve often wondered if it would be wiser to pick 3 starters for the ASG and then fill the rest of the staff with the best relievers available. Well, being that the game means something for some dadburn reason. Think if the NL pitching was Halladay,Jurrjens, Lee, Venters, Nunez,Bastardo, Kimbrel…etc
Now when the game was purely exhibition than sure, you name the best starters first as they contribute the most.

I actually think that the AS Game fan voting should be for one player per team. So you get the fans fave player on each team, then use player votes and mgr stuff to fill it out (and yes the fans could vote for pitchers too) If you are M’s fans and want to vote Ichiro instead of King Felix, the mgr will prolly add him (most years anyway) But this would keep the starting teams from coming from high population zones like say…. the north east? (half the starters for the AL are Yankees!) This way, yer team gets only one prom queen vote, and the rest would hopefully come via merit. Oh and limit MGR’s to only 2 additions from their own teams. (after the fan and player vote)….. I know it’s kinda complicated, but none of this would matter if the DANG GAME WAS A MEANINGLESS EXHIBITION!!!

UGASlobberknocker

July 10th, 2011
8:28 pm

Why not have a 40 man roster then everyone would be happy. Its just an exhibition game so who cares if the dugout is crowded?

Black Mountain Bulldog

July 10th, 2011
8:46 pm

I agree with RCG.

Dawgdad (The Original)

July 10th, 2011
8:56 pm

Congrats to Kimbrel, well deserved. Bochy did not do anything Bobby Cox had not already set the precedent for, selecting his own players.

braves

July 10th, 2011
9:24 pm

It’s OK. Kevin Correia will be a braves on August 1st replacing Derrick Lowe. Source reported DL is going to Pittsburgh and a player to be named later for KC.

NorCal

July 10th, 2011
9:27 pm

—shawn

——-They should both go but thanks to Bochy for inviting too many
——-Giants pitchers who do not deserve to be there…Bruce Bochy is a moron…

Unfortunately,
“To the victor belong the spoils.” But you have to realize he wants to win the game, and his pitchers are pretty good.He thinks he is going to the series again.

NickB

July 10th, 2011
9:40 pm

@braves , That seems very unlikely unless we are throwing in a bunch of cash (or giving them Minor as well)

Joseph

July 10th, 2011
9:41 pm

@braves….what source? If you make a comment like that name the source. It would be a good deal but I do not believe it for one second. Pittsburgh while in a division fight and glad they are. I miss the early 90s meeting them for the NLC. Good sports town deserves a good baseball team.

NickB

July 10th, 2011
9:58 pm

@Joeseph It would make no sense that the Pirates move a guy who is basically Lowe already (yet $10 mill cheaper per season (over the same year and a half contract as both are FA’s after 2012) ) So they could take on more payroll…. Not unless they are getting something awesome to boot. Which also requires us to ask ; Why would the Braves want a cheaper version of Lowe bad enough to trade he and another prospect for a mediocre RH arm? I can’t believe it’s salary relief …… This smells like made up internetz hooey

mathman

July 10th, 2011
10:00 pm

Braves with 5 game lead for the wild card. Magic #66. Any combination of Braves’ wins or losses by the 2 teams tied for 2nd and we are in.

As for the Giants pitchers being All Stars. to the victors go the spoils. Braves need to win the World Series and we can name our pitchers. Until we do, we are at the mercy of others. Congrats to Jurrgens, Kimbrel, and Venters.

Marty "Taco" Perez

July 10th, 2011
10:02 pm

@braves……………..Pittsburgh can’t afford Lowe and Liberty ain’t gonna pick up the tab

Joseph

July 10th, 2011
10:02 pm

@NickB. That is why I said I do not believe it for one second. I said…what source….if it did happen cool, but it is fake and we all know that.

Heisenberg

July 10th, 2011
10:05 pm

@Braves source is Lucy in the Sky.

If Botchy really wanted the best team to win he would have selected Hanson over Lincicum or however his named is spelled or even the other guy on his staff nobody ever heard of.

asa

July 10th, 2011
10:18 pm

got to good young pitchers get rid of lowe and mclough free up millions for 2 non performers and watch us soar

Rowsdower

July 10th, 2011
10:24 pm

Baseball contracts are guarenteed. You still have to pay them even after you release them.

NickB

July 10th, 2011
10:46 pm

@ Joeseph, yeah I was agreeing with you, after re-reading I realize it sounded like I was accusing you of making that up! my bad! :-)

I actually have a few ideas about moving Lowe and JJ this winter to free up $$$ and acquire prospects to flip for Matt Kemp. (and avoid us from digging too deeply into our own minor leaguers.
This is all contingent on Hoss retiring tho…. If Chip leaves this moves prado to 3rd. We would then offer Lowe for a few lower level prospects and eat $7mill or so. We then trade JJ for a Texiera size basket of prospects and then mix and match them for Matt Kemp. (I know I know you aren’t comfortable with two rookies on the staff but just hold on) Since the team would be clearing Mclouth, KK, most of Chip and half of Lowe’s $$$, we could then go after a guy like Josh Willingham for LF for a 2 yr deal, re fill the bullpen, pay arby and the bench, and maybe, just maybe, have enough $$$ to sit on if one of Minor or Teheran isn’t cutting it. Now, to clarify, I would onl do the JJ and Kemp deals if we can A) get a nice basket of solid prospects for JJ (since we don’t HAVE to move him, we are in a good position) and B) Kemp agrees to an extension…. Tall orders I know. Very unlikely all probably. But that’s what makes baseball so great is the flipping things around, the trying to come up with deals!

Prado
Heyward
Kemp
McCann
Uggla
Freeman
Willingham
Gonzo

that lineup would score runs. If the staff can keep up, why not go for it?

Heisenberg

July 10th, 2011
10:47 pm

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Joseph

July 10th, 2011
10:56 pm

@Nick…No worries sir. I have to say my personal opinion on the JJ thing. Ok I know Boras is his agent. He is going to get paid after next year. No questions….WHY CAN WE NOT AFFORD HIM???
Here me out. I think Chip plays again next year. Just gut feeling. His money is off then. Huddy’s contract is up after next year. I would love to resign him but time will tell on that one. Lowe’s contract is also up after next year. Why not…just my opinion here…….keep JJ and work your butt off to get a deal done by the trade deadline next year? If with all efforts it cannot be done then trade for truck load of prospects at the last minute. Ride the stud for while we can I say. I think we can sign him honestly. Also Gonzo’s contract is up after this year. I think we resign him for another year and pray that our SS prospect gets himself ready by that point.

don

July 10th, 2011
11:18 pm

Joseph, who is “our shortstop prospect”? The Braves have no legitimate shortstop prospect.

Why do so many posters think Lowe can be traded? No one else wants him at his salary and the Braves sure don’t need to assume any of his contract.

Why would the Pirates trade Correia? Pittsburgh is on the rise. They don’t need to unload their talent.

At this stage, neither Hudson nor Lowe is worth near what they are being paid. It is time to cut them loose before next season.

The Braves farm system isn’t as loaded with talent as some seem to think.

If Kemp were made available don’t you think he would end up in New York, Boston, or Philadelphia rather than in Atlanta? Money talks.

NickB

July 10th, 2011
11:23 pm

Well my idea for trading JJ rides on this scenario

We move Lowe first and eat half his salary. This alone gives us around $23 mill to spend with Mclouth,KK,Linebrink and Sherrill gone (not to mention perhaps a Moylan non-tender).
This makes room for Julio ” The Terrible” (I have a trademark on that lol!!)

Now, what we do is attempt a trade and sign with Kemp. Either straight up with the Dodgers or via a 3rd team, it gives us a window of opportunity to extend his deal. If we can’t get it done. No harm no foul. We keep JJ until after 2012 then move him for a package.( I prefer Hanson and i don’t think the team can afford both long term…) But as I said. We don’t HAVE to trade JJ, so we hold all the cards.
If the Kemp thing falls through we can decide to keep Schafer in Cf and focus our attention (and $$) on a corner OF’er to plug into LF. Not to mention it could open avenues to try and improve at SS (though I would argue that there is such a lack of quality SS talent that is both productive and affordable that Gonzo provides good value for the $$ and others players would be an overpay in both prospects and/or $$$). So I think we sign Gonzo to a 1 yr $2.5 mill deal with a team option for 2013 just in case Lipka or Pastornicky aren’t ready yet.
But regardless, having an estimated $17 mill after arby and raises to spend on the bullpen, the bench and perhaps a corner OF’er isn’t too shabby !

NickB

July 10th, 2011
11:28 pm

Don, number one, you can’t cut players loose in baseball. They have guaranteed contracts so if you release them, you still have to pay them.
Number two, Lowe at $6 or $7 mill would provide good value for most teams not named Atlanta, Phillies or Giants.
Number three, Kemp won’t be a free agent yet, he will be a trade candidate and in that case, he who has the most prospects talks. Not to mention with all the money coming off the books by the time his existing contract ends the eam could make him quite the offer.

@joeseph Jurrjens is under team control until after the 2013 season he has 2 more years left .not one, and as I said I don’t think the team can afford to improve offensively s well as pay Prado, McCann and Hanson. IMO, JJ is the odd man out as well as the one with the highest present value that’s likely to fall eventually……

Joseph

July 10th, 2011
11:34 pm

dang it I made a great response to don and it didn’t post. Genius comments like that don’t come along too often dang it.l

Joseph

July 10th, 2011
11:40 pm

@Nick and Don….I think Simmons is more of our future than Lipka or Pastornicky. Just my opinion. None will ever be an offensive beast but SS is all about defense.

You might be right Nick about JJ under unitl 2013 but I think it is 2012. Either way I don’t think he should be traded until the deadline of his final year. We can work a deal I think. Or maybe hope. However. About Huddy…..I wouldn’t pay him what he is making now, but offer him a contract and try to convince him to resign for less money after next year. If he doesn’t……ok….if he does……wonderful.

@Nick…I do not think JJ is the odd man out like most want to assume. Yes he is going to get paid and he should be paid top dollar. Just remember Prado is only 3+ mill this year and Mac is locked for I think 3 maybe 4 years……please correct me on that one…….Hanson has still has a few years left of arbitration……so why can we not work out JJ? I would at least try before trading him is all I am saying.

Tom

July 10th, 2011
11:43 pm

We cannot keep expecting Venters and Kimbrel to win all the close games for us, it is not happening. We have got to get a couple RH decent bats to help us the rest of the season. Keep dreaming and expecting our .230 hitters to be more productive, that is not happening also. For example, NOT AFFORDABLE – Pence, Bourne Quienten, Kemp AFFORDABLE – Keppinger, Franceour, Melky Cabrera, etc. Being you start laughing look at the Astro’s and KC’s site and see their BA and productiveness at the major league level. Also have Constanza and Gartell at AAA? My thoughts?,

Joseph

July 10th, 2011
11:53 pm

Why all the love all of a sudden for Frenchy and Melky? WHAT DID THEY DO WHEN THEY WERE HERE? Frenchy is a great kid. Really likable guy, but he was here before, it didn’t work out…….move on. Tom……did you even watch Melky play, and I use that term very losely, last year for this team?? Hitting in KC with no expectations is totally different than hitting in Atlanta in the playoffs………..Constanza isn’t on the 40 man roster…I wish he was he is good, but facts are facts. Have you paid attention tom? Kill Uggla for his BA he deserves it….it is horrible…….but let’s look more closely…….6 game hitting streak now…..going into today’s game he reached base 10 out of his last 21 chances………LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN………..10 OUT OF 21 PA……that is pretty dang good I think. He sucked early but he is getting going. 30 HR is really possible……….he was never here to hit for BA he is here to hit HR and get RBI. Yes he was pathetic early and middle this year……..but he is getting going……..15HR already and tied for team lead.

Bobby6

July 11th, 2011
12:00 am

Heisenberg I love it!

@Nick B- No one cares about your elaborate GM theories… go back to playing MLB The Show and leave all that to FW, thank you.

Bobby6

July 11th, 2011
12:05 am

Tom should be banned immeadiately.

Did you ever consider that none of the AB’s Francoeur has are meaningful or filled with any pressure? They have a lot more chances for success since they are usually losing every game…

NickB

July 11th, 2011
12:08 am

@ Joeseph Just checked JJ isn’t FA eligible til after 2013 season. I would prefer to move him the prior offseason to maximize value…..
Prado is making $3.1mill this year and will expect to make around $4.5 next year, I would honestly like to offer him an extension similar to mac’s to buy out a few FA years….

Mac has a $12 mill team opttion for 2013 (which I expect will be picked up) then he’s a FA same year as JJ. (tho i expect he will sign an extension as well, I think mac may be a career Brave.)

I’m not saying that the Braves HAVE to move JJ. I don’t think they will re-sign him though as with their present payroll limitations due to ownership, someone from the big $$$ teams will outbid us for him. (and they will overpay as the Yankees did for Burnett, tho JJ is better than Burnett). One thing a team like Atlanta cannot afford to do is lock up 1/5th of total payroll per year on one pitcher. Not unless there is a substantial increase….

I like Hanson, cuz he throws harder, strikes more people out and has better stuff. I’m of the opinion that the Braves feel similarly and will opt to maximize JJ’s value for prospects to inprove the team due to the overwhelming starting pitching depth…

Oh and Tom…… Bourn’s not too expensive!!! He makes less than Mclouth does and won’t cost a slew of prospects as he only has another season left… Frenchy and Melky? What do they add ? Payroll and headaches is what….. I would like to see Constanza called up though just for a look see. Methinks he gets a sep callup or ends up as part of a deal. He is old for his league (like 28 or something)

Tom

July 11th, 2011
12:12 am

JOSEPH – Don’t get so upset, just a thought. What did they do last year? Joseph it is about this year NOW, not the future not the past! Melky is hitting .295 playing reguar CF for KC, Keppinger is hitting around .300 and Frenchy around .265 with good production. I’m not so sure playing in KC would be different than Atl or Phil, all are major league cities. Those are the type players we can afford not some super-star 15 million man! Kepp could play third and Prado does not have to keep jumping around at every position on field, eventually that may hurt him. I like Uggla, eventually he will come around, it may not even be this season but he will be a big plus at some point. My god if a guy is good enough in AAA, bring him up and find a spot, even if you have to release somebody! We can not keep winning the rest of the year 2-1 or 3-2 games forever. Personally I do not think Liberty will fund any more players for us, we will probably have to go with what we have. Heyward had a real good game recently, I thought he had turned the corner, looks like we will have to wait until next year to really know?

NickB

July 11th, 2011
12:13 am

Bobby6, go get yer shine box…. I don’t play video games ya dork. I ‘m on another braves site where people who can form complete concepts and sentences discuss possible ideas because it’s fun for us. If that’s so hard for you to understand perhaps you would enjoy these coloring books about cars I’ve left here for you…………

Joseph

July 11th, 2011
12:18 am

@Nick…..I have to respectfully disagree with you on Hanson over JJ because he strikes more guys out. Don’t get me wrong…..I love Hanson. But JJ is of the Maddux/ Glavine mold. AND I AM NOT SAYING JJ IS A FIRST BALLOT HOF LIKE THEY ARE. JJ pitches to contact….and works both sides of the plate. He is cerebral out there. He is becoming a surgeon on the mound. He probably will never have a no-no, but like Maddux said………”I knew I would never have one because I am not a strikeout pitcher”….Hanson very well could. I just do not see with us having so many young position players we cannot have both is all I am saying. Yes Mac is about to make Chipper money after 2013 and he deserves it. But the rest are very young and cheap……Will be fun to see what happens though. And Bourn will never happen……..Houston will want a ton of prospects…..they are rebuilding from bottom up. It is nice dream of Bourn leading off then Schafer drag bunting him to 2nd for a hit……..mouth watering stuff……..just not happening. Can we please get a real owner for this team?

NickB

July 11th, 2011
12:20 am

Frenchy has an OBP of .308, not good, Melky has one of .333 better than schafer presently(yet worse than Mclouths .350), but his defense isn’t so hot ( -1.4 dWAR ) which mitigates his value substantially.
I’ve always been of the opinion that if you are gonna make a move, make one that counts as much as it can with the $$$ you’ve got to work with. Melky and Frenchy are not the answers.

Tom

July 11th, 2011
12:26 am

Nick B – Bourne is their (Astros)regular CF, .290 hitter, and leadoff guy, do you really think they would give him up, hell no. He’s almost as valuable to them as Pence(the francise guy). Mclouth is getting 6 million a year, thank god this is last year of his contract. BOBBY6 – Every major player has pressure to do well and stay in the league for the big contract, regardless of what team you are on?

Tom

July 11th, 2011
12:31 am

NICKB – the ONLY reason I mentioned those guys , they are affordable and may end up on one of the contending teams in about a month. Rumors are both are likey to move from KC for prospects since KC is rebuilding with all young players.

the truth...the cold hard truth

July 11th, 2011
12:32 am

In the business world sometimes you have to quit in order to get a raise…meaning resign and take another job with another company so that the original boss sees what you really meant to him.

…who could that be???

….Or another scenario might be that sometimes you have to get fired….in order to get re-hired….meaning that you are hard headed and need a kick in the @ss to wake you up…and then having been awakened you are so glad to come home….

Jeff Francour ???

But the bigger question is…..

What are you dudes smoking that are scheming all those “Fantasy” Trades?

I am pretty sure you can get a job working for Big Frank at the Ted if you can pull off half of the deals you opine on….

Tom

July 11th, 2011
12:33 am

You guys are right, Frenchy will not return here period!! But he is having a more productive year than all of our OF guys put together! Now, that is sad!!

NickB

July 11th, 2011
12:38 am

If we get a real owner between now and winter of 2013 we might be able to keep em both. But remember, Hanson isn’t a FA until 2016, yet will be making proably over $10mill per year via arbitration by that time anyway. Let’s break it down by position for a mythological 2013 season:

2013 rotation
JJ- $10 mill via arby
Hanson-$6.5 mill via arby
Teheran- $700,000
Minor- $600,000
Delgado-$500,000

pen
Venters- $2 mill
Kimbrel $1mill
O’Flaherty- $2mill
say the rest of the 4 cost a total of $8mill

fielders
McCann$15mill
Freeman -$1mill
Uggla$13mill
SS- $2mill (just a guess but could be less if pastornicky makes it)
Prado-$8mill (he will be right there via arby)
LF- $6mill
CF Schafer $1mill
Heyward$3.5 mill

Bench
say a total of $6 mill

Thats about $90mill. Now the only way to resign JJ is to increae payroll (and more than just say $8mill cuz everybody who’s arb eligible will get raises too….

i hope the team can afford them both. But Hanson is younger, under control longer and IMO, is the better pitcher long term.

the truth...the cold hard truth

July 11th, 2011
12:38 am

Well I thought about it and came up with a few that “quit” and went to another employer…. like Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Adam Wainwright ….

Sure would be nice to have those three back wouldn’t it…?

Tom

July 11th, 2011
12:45 am

Last suggestion of the nite, Wilson Betemit, BA .285,utility type guy. Oh, I forgot, he plays in KC, would be too much pressure to play in ATL? Would probably fall down on his face, even for former Brave player!!

Joseph

July 11th, 2011
12:46 am

Nice numbers Nick. very concise sir. I make my point by pointing out that in 2 years…..the contracts that are gone are…….KK……..Lowe…….McLouth(although he is not near as horrible as he is portrayed on here)……Hudson maybe……….I think Chipper retires after next year unless we win the title this year…………if we win he retires……..just gut feeling……..I do not by any means wish him to retire.

About the Hanson and JJ numbers………you are high. In arbs the teams point out every fault there is….to prove their case…………….JJ has been DLd a lot past 3 years………Hanson on DL this year……..your projections will be lower I think.

Joseph

July 11th, 2011
12:51 am

@the truth…….those guys “quit”?????? WHAT? The Tex deal was a bad one we know that, but what are you talking about? You trying to compare them to Frenchy or anybody else? What is your point?

Add the love fest to include Betemit………WHAT???? You can point out this year’s stats and I will point out last years the year before the year before that……..constant production matters period. Betemit is a decent defensive player……We tried him he was weak.

NickB

July 11th, 2011
12:57 am

I sit here and make an attemp to come up with something workable , and the best you can come up with is Melky and Frenchy? You mean the Frenchy whose numbers have been tumbling for the past month? or the Melky Cabrera who is a wastoid in the field? You know that what you are saying is basically the Ankiel deal from last year right? (with less defensive ability I mean).

Bourn will be available because he’s a free agent after next season and they wont be re-signing him. Pence can’t really play CF and will cost too much as he has control years. Now I don’t think we will get either one as I’m pretty sure that we will just pickup a RH bench bat and a RH pen arm. But what all of this has been about is what to do in the offseason if we have he chance to maximize Jurrjens value to acquire a big time OF bat without trading our future in the farm away.
I’m sorry if y’all don’t like considering the possiblities in the future for the team. But I do, heck why am i surprised, most of the people on here still think batting avg is the most important hitting stat…………

Joseph

July 11th, 2011
1:05 am

@Nick…….how dare you compare the logical fans…….ie me and Tom and many others like that. How dare you say I do not care about the future of the team? I have respected your opinion and at this moment I have lost a little respect sir. Who on here is bashing this team or anything of that nature at this moment? I think you become defensive because you were disagreed with. Bourne is not available….Houston is not trading him for the points that you made for him being “cheap”. I would love him here but it won’t happen. Sorry to disagree with you and give you the impression I do not care for a team I have cared for all my life, but truth is truth.

NickB

July 11th, 2011
1:05 am

@ Joeseph, yeah but remember they rarely actually go to arbitration. Usually they make a deal to avoid the nastiness that goes on. IMO, with what Lincicum has gotten and other guys, I really think that JJ could certainly expect $10mill in his final arby year. I also think that Hanson could too if not more. I expect Prado to sign an extension for around what I listed there. But the problem isn;t the players. It’s the cheap ass ownership we have. Good Lord can we just get a billionaire owner instead of a damn corporation for once?

NickB

July 11th, 2011
1:07 am

I wasnt talking about you. I was talking about the guy who dismissed my ideas andthe prresented Melky and Frrenchy as alternatives.

NickB

July 11th, 2011
1:08 am

@ you have debated my points, which is totally fine, you havn’t dismissed them out of hand as being “fantasy baseball” I wasn’t calling you out mang

NickB

July 11th, 2011
1:09 am

I need to remember to put the @ ……. to keep everything straight on here

Joseph

July 11th, 2011
1:11 am

Mark Cuban……Dodgers are not for sale…….PLEASE BUY THE BRAVES…………..PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fair enough Nick, I just stated how it came across sir. I will not give up my belief that we can sign JJ long term for about 15 mill a year……..and that is a steal……..I will not give up my belief of not trading him until the last second of the deadline his final year if a deal cannot be worked out……….ride him for all we can I say.

Joseph

July 11th, 2011
1:19 am

@Nick Linecum has won 2 straight Cys at that point………Neither JJ or Hanson will have that honor…….although JJ deserves it for the 1/2 season…..see how he does rest of year but so far he is the CY I think………..2 CYs going into arbitration are a lot different than 0 with several trips to the DL…..I am only pointing out the teams case…..not condemning JJ at all…….just pointing out how the organization has a good case in arbitration is all.

NickB

July 11th, 2011
1:20 am

Arthur Blank would be nice….. Cuban would be nice…. ted Turner leading a team of investors would be nice…. Just please, no more corporate ownership….

I hope yer right Joeseph and we can keep em both. The stat nerd in me sees JJ’s xFIP and other stats and worries he can’t maintain it….. But maybe he can!

Joseph

July 11th, 2011
1:23 am

It has been fun debating with you Nick. I have to sleep…..Dang vacation ends now……have to work in the morning….I swear I have done more work on vacation than at work………at least get paid for it…..somewhat……..Hope to hear from you again sir.

NickB

July 11th, 2011
1:23 am

Well, the prob I have with is arby is that its all or nothing. IMO a true “arbitrator” should have the power to determine a value on his own and not be forced to either choose the teams side or the players side…. Though the difference between Lincecum and JJ is that Lincecum made that in his 1st year of arbitration and JJ might make it in his last ( I don’t think Lincecum went to arby, i think they settled right before)… I wish they would fix that mess…. arby I mean. Guys shouldn’t be able to play worse than the prior season yet get a raise.

NickB

July 11th, 2011
1:23 am

you too ! goodnight

I Believe Super Braves

July 11th, 2011
4:27 am

hey people…………. maybe is time for offer Derek Lowe to the REDSOX in exchange for Ellsbury..

boston have 3 starters in DL: Lester,Buchholz. and Beckett… and one out for the rest of the season : Matsuzaka…

sooooooooooo……. boston need SP ….soooo hahaaha trade Lowe for Ellsbury….

put Ellsbury in CF and lead off hitter and put Minor or Teheran in 5th spot in rotation in few games before Medlen return from DL …

GOOD NIGHT FANS :D

and go braves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! uooooooooooooooooooo :)

tribe

July 11th, 2011
4:33 am

hiiiii :) i think the braves have the best pitching staff ( starters and bullpen) for longgggggg time very young,with huge of talent :)

all is a cycle and the braves new cycle begin last year :) ……back to 90’s people but in 2010’s :D

GO BRAVESSSSSSSSS!

Come on Guys

July 11th, 2011
6:30 am

To the guy who said McClouth is not doing all that bad, when is the last time he had a meaningful hit?

D man

July 11th, 2011
7:27 am

For all of the comments about trading Jiar Jurjens. Are you nuts? He is our best pitcher. Glad you’re not the GM of the Braves…

Gladiator

July 11th, 2011
7:33 am

D man,

I think they want to see JJ’s birth certificate.

aj

July 11th, 2011
7:41 am

Well deserved, he going to the All-Star game.
No offensive players going!!!!!
Could be a LONG second half if they don’t hit.

Tom

July 11th, 2011
8:15 am

For the last time, the only reason I mention Melky, Frenchy, Betemit, Keppinger is that those type players are the only ones we will be able to afford in terms of money and trade prospects. Lowe and his 15 million salary, McLouth and his 6 million salary are going no where for lack of interest! A Minor like trade might bring one of that first group but our veteran players are not in demand. Our OF players are good guys but how long can you live with them hitting in the .220’s? I do not think that first group ever hit that low? Either get used to that first group type player or be happy with what we have got under contract. Also does not look like AAA guys Constanza or Gartell going to get a serious look this year!

Red Wolf

July 11th, 2011
8:57 am

He’s an all-star regardless (as is Big Red) and he’s also going to be Rookie of the Year

John

July 11th, 2011
9:27 am

I am happy for Kimbrel, but Hanson is much more deserving. I think the save is one of the most overrated stats in baseball. How many saves would Hanson or any of our starters have if they were closers. I know there is some additional pressure, but I don’t think it is anything most good starters couldn’t handle.

Brave New World

July 11th, 2011
10:06 am

the truth…the cold hard truth July 11th, 2011 12:38 am
Well I thought about it and came up with a few that “quit” and went to another employer…. like Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Adam Wainwright ….

Sure would be nice to have those three back wouldn’t it…?

Yeah, we really need a young closer to replace Kimbrell and we have enough people on the DL to keep Wainwright company. Only one I wish hadn’t “quit” was Andrus. BTW, I’m sure glad Jurrjens “quit” The Tigers. Now if only we could get some people to quit these blogs…

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Chopper

July 11th, 2011
11:01 am

Do NL hitters have amnesia or just not want to win home field for the World Series? They gave more votes for Pirates SP Kevin Correia than Tommy Hanson.

Correia is 11-7 with a 4.01 ERA (4.49 career), 1.28 WHIP (1.42 career), .270 AVG against (.269 career) and only 56 K’s in 116 innings.

Hanson is 10-4 with a 2.44 ERA (2.99 career), 1.02 WHIP (1.14 career), .190 AVG against (.224 career) with 109 K’s in 103 innings.

Makes sense to me…NOT!!!

Chopper

July 11th, 2011
11:02 am

How’d Correia even get the 25 votes of his Pirates teammates for an all star spot? WTF!?!?!?

daniel buck

July 11th, 2011
11:43 am

If we could find a way to get rid of Lowe and or Mclouth… I could live with throwing in 1 of our young arms and possibly 2 or 3 more B rated prospects to pick up a Bourne, Hardy, Frenchy combo…. Mix in Ellsbury, Pence, or Keppinger in there….. If it was possible tho I would give quite a bit for Mr. Kemp….

daniel buck

July 11th, 2011
11:44 am

Oh yeah…. Congrats to Kimbrel and Hanson was more than deserving

daniel buck

July 11th, 2011
11:47 am

Red Wolf

He’s an all-star regardless (as is Big Red) and he’s also going to be Rookie of the Year….

I agree 100%… I like the name (Ol Red Beard) myself….

Tom

July 11th, 2011
11:54 am

FYI – Gartell of Gwinnett AAA hit 2 more HRS last nite, giving him 18 for season. Understand he has had 3-4 two homer games this season. Sounds like he deserves look now while he is hot?Oh yes, he is an OF/DH! Maybe he does not play best D in world but must be a good stick. I don’t care if he looks like softball player or not, just bring the wood. Something our OF players haven’t shown they can do consistently!

old timer

July 11th, 2011
12:01 pm

Loved the Nigerian mail scam comment! Otherwise, just typical ridiculous trade proposals. We do need to slightly adjust the best bullpen in team history. Need to reduce the workload of the key relievers. One option would be to stick Lowe in the pen to work as often as needed. He has bullpen experience and might be more effective going an inning or two at a time. Could make Minor the fifth starter and still have a strong rotation.

Tom

July 11th, 2011
12:26 pm

Just a though to consider, it is very possible we will not be able to sign Hanson when he is eligible for FA. If I am correct, isn’t he a life-long West Coast guy? Probably loves the beach, stands to reason Padres, Dodgers or Giants might be able to lure him if money is close to same as say ATL. Isn’t his agent Boras, bad news possibly for us, that is one reason to have strong farm talent available.

Mark's for the Braves

July 11th, 2011
1:04 pm

Why wasn’t Hanson chosen over Cliff Lee who is 9-6? Not only is thre politics at my work–there is plenty of it in MLB!

John

July 11th, 2011
2:04 pm

Halladay starting for NL. Would have loved to see Jurjjens starting and think he deserves it.

ATLfan15

July 11th, 2011
2:13 pm

@John: agreed…but i KNEW Bochy was gonna pick Halladay. imo, JJ never had a chance at it.

phil

July 11th, 2011
2:17 pm

Release JJ….

Fire FG…

Tom

July 11th, 2011
2:56 pm

Bobby6,12:05a – Reference your silly post last nite, why should I be banned? Have you ever played any sports in your life, I doubt it. I have played most of my adult life and follow football and baseball closely. My comments are meant to be realistic and not some fantasy out-of-the world pick or comment. Sure, I like Frenchy and Brian McCann more than most, probably because my son played HS ball with them, they and their families are terrific people! Optimisim is not my strong suit because I think in terms of reality. Forget the $10-15 million dollar guys, it is not happening , no matter how many times you say it. We can afford $2-4 million guys only, whether you agree or not, or we can stand pat. I think we can make the playoffs as a Wild-Card with what we have. But to go all the way against other teams good pitching probably will not happen unless we get real lucky. I do not think you should be banned just take a deep dose of reality about any possible changes. Have a nice day!!

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