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1991Braves
July 9th, 2011
10:06 am
Some things never change in Atlanta. This game is probably a preview of the playoffs and once again the Braves manager blows a big game, and gets out coached. This clown is nothing but an extention of Bobby Cox, and he has no clue of how to manage a bullpen or how to manufacture a run in a close game. Cox wasted all that great pitching for years, and now we get this clown that seems to love Proctor. Proctor is the worst pitcher on the staff and yet Cox Jr. continues to put him in when the game is on the line. Oh well like i said, some things never change.
chbeyer
July 9th, 2011
10:07 am
Let’s face it. The Braves are getting very little hitting production out of A. Gonzales, G. Shafer, an Heyward. Gonzalez in particuliar is an automatic out with men on base. All three were 0-4 last night against the Phillies. Frenchy haters will roil at this one but his 56 RBI’s, .270 BA, and 12 homers would sure look good now as none of the Braves outfielders are within a country mile of those numbers. The Braves are a solid hitter away from being able to compete. Oh, an by the way, Proctor seems to lob waist high grapefruits down the middle in critical games. Why is he even given a chance to go out there?
AtlPhilsPhan
July 9th, 2011
10:11 am
Wow. One loss and you guys are jumping all over Freddy Gonzalez (just like Phils’ fans jump on Charlie Manuel if the Phils lose 1 game in a 3 game series!). Braves are playing great ball now and lost one game, that’s all. If it makes you guys feel any better, I can assure you that when Charlie Manuel brought his (4th of the year) closer, Antonio Bastardo, in for the 9th without a Phils’ lead, every Phillies’ fan had a hollow feeling in the gut about who might pitch in the 10th. Would it be our terrible middle relief guys like Baez or Herndon or Carpenter? We just got lucky that our recently called up Iron Pig, Perez, pitched a beauty of an inning. And then we got luckier that Raul Ibanez (whom Phillies’ fans have called upon to be demoted or benched for his lack of hitting this season) hit a walk off. The game could have easily gone the other way and all this hysteria would be mirrored on the Phils’ site. So I would suggest to keep it in perspective. Both teams are still on track to head to the playoffs, playing excellent though not perfect ball. It will all come down to who is playing well in September and key injuries. That’s a long way off. This series will turn out exactly as anticipated: a tough and close between two teams with nearly identical pitching and batting stats.
Strange Murphy
July 9th, 2011
10:13 am
Going over every possible action that may or may not have lost a game is pretty stupid! It’s a team effort to lose or win a game.
Raul Ibanez
July 9th, 2011
10:24 am
Last night was a blast! Did you guys see the ending?? WOW!
63 year Braves fan
July 9th, 2011
10:26 am
RELEASE PROCTOR NOW!!!!
Sane thought
July 9th, 2011
10:27 am
To Joseph and others against batting Sherill in the top of the 10th:
With 0 on and two out, the Braves’ chances of scoring in the top of the 10th were nil. Even if Ramirez gets on base, he’s followed by the mountains of suck that are Jordan and Alex. Even my dog could have seen the Braves had no chance to do anything in that inning.
Moreover, you likely aren’t going to have a scoring chance until the 12th since you have the 0-8 combo of Schafer and Gonzalez leading off the 11th, assuring that Mac would be batting with 0 on and 2 out. Knowing that, why not try and stretch Sherill through the 11th instead of bringing on the guy with a proclivity to give up homers
JKK
July 9th, 2011
10:32 am
Totally agree, Jim. Sherrill — a lefty — should have been brought back for the 10th. I’m afraid FG got outmanaged in this one — but I feel good about where we’re headed in the 2nd half.
don
July 9th, 2011
10:32 am
I agree with chbeyer. The Braves could certainly use the production of Francoeur. It is good to see Francoeur having success again.
The McLouth trade is looking more and more like a mini Teixeira or a mini Drew deal. Charlie Morton has developed into a frontline starter for Pittsburgh and Gorkys Hernandez, only 24, is putting up another year of good solid numbers at Indianapolis (AAA). It is doubtful that anyone would trade Hernandez straight up for MCLouth today.
After this season, McLouth will follow Teixeira and Drew out of Atlanta and into the ever-growing list of major management blunders by Schuerholz and Wren.
Don Gurian
July 9th, 2011
10:35 am
this is a perfect example of leaving your best bullpen man on the bench. At this point, there was no reason not to pitch Kimbrel.
alex
July 9th, 2011
10:49 am
Proctor in , braves loose;pretty consistent,not an MLB level player. Getting a little tired of saying it ,but releasing proctor is inevitable. Game over, goodbye,go away, there is no WELFARE in the mlb…..Sheeesh,get a clue,FG<FW and anyone in the braves organization that believes in him….
North Georgia Braves Fan
July 9th, 2011
11:05 am
Why would anybody with half a brain let Proctor pitch in a major league game?
Gregg Fitzgibbons
July 9th, 2011
11:10 am
Just how long is batting 230 going to acceptable for some of the Braves…yes, pitching wins games but we have got to have some better avg. to help out…I think we have got to get a stronger hitting SS so unload McLouth and Gonzo and move on…once Prado gets back, outfield will be ok,,,thoughts of any other ss avail…
darrell starks
July 9th, 2011
11:17 am
Braves need a power bat at left field.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!
ArkyTech
July 9th, 2011
11:22 am
Fredi made a BIG mistake not double switching when he brought George in to face Utley. Phils had 3 straight lefties coming up. “E” Fredi, “e” bench coach, and “e” Roger McDowell on that one.
That said, the offense only had 1 hit after the 4th inning. That’s why Braves lost.
Ed
July 9th, 2011
11:31 am
Why in the world would you bring in a pinch hitter for Sherrill , your last left handed arm, when two lefty’s are coming up the next inning..
Carroll Rogers
July 9th, 2011
11:39 am
Trust you guys saw the Jones to DL move…in case not…
Chipper Jones has played for nearly two months with a torn meniscus in his right knee, but the pain has gotten to the point where he can’t manage it any longer.
The Braves placed Jones on the disabled list Saturday and recalled infielder Brandon Hicks from Triple-A Gwinnett. Jones will miss the final two games of the series with the Philadelphia Phillies and will be unavailable to play in Tuesday’s All-Star game. He was selected to the team for the seventh time, this time by player vote.
The Braves have not yet clarified if and when Jones will undergo arthroscopic surgery, but that appears the next logical step for Jones who will use four days of the All-Star break toward his recovery time. Surgery is expected to keep him out for 2-3 weeks.
Jones acknowledged after Friday night’s game against the Phillies that his right knee is not improving and he was considering missing the All-Star break because of it, possibly to undergo arthroscopic surgery.
“I’m doing what I can,” said Jones, who hasn’t felt any improvement after receiving a cortisone shot in his knee on Sunday. “It’s not getting any better. It’s gradually getting worse. I’m going to have to address it some time.”
Jones has been trying to play through the pain while the Braves are going without left fielder Martin Prado, who’s been out since early June following staph infection surgery. But Prado is progressing on a minor league rehabilitation assignment and gearing up for a return after the All-Star break.
Jones originally hoped to avoid surgery since he could play five to six days a week comfortably with the aid of cortisone. But the latest shot didn’t help.
“It’s not getting any better and the shot didn’t do anything for me,” Jones said.
Bill
July 9th, 2011
11:55 am
Thanks Carroll for info…Get well quick Chipper!
Bill
July 9th, 2011
11:56 am
HICKS?????????????????????????
Brava
July 9th, 2011
12:04 pm
“you feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys.” Fredi
No, speak for yourself, bud, you’re the only one on the planet. The rest of us knew what was going to happen, and it did.
Ghostrider
July 9th, 2011
12:04 pm
@North Georgia Braves Fan
I agree 100% … I tell my wife that all the time. He is Pathetic…
joedub
July 9th, 2011
12:04 pm
I really hate watching them lose a tight ballgame with Kimbrel on the bench.
O-me
July 9th, 2011
12:11 pm
Brava, Fredi knows the same as us all about Proctor…whats he going to say ? He can’t kick his own player under the bus..now can he?
What would other players think? Its Wrens job to get him help!!!!!!!
Now Chipper is out and its Hicks? Thats a joke.
Bobby Cox
July 9th, 2011
12:16 pm
Get Glaus to be a big RH bat off the bench!!!
Brava
July 9th, 2011
12:20 pm
Well, I guess he has to say what he did, O-me, to cover his butt for making the piss-poor decision to put Proctor in a tied game in the 10th. That guy should not be used in anything but a blowout. He cannot pitch under pressure. I don’t blame Proctor here, he is what he is. Fredi should have known better. And, you’re right, Wren needs to get someone else to replace Proctor.
Ted
July 9th, 2011
12:35 pm
If Uggla moves the runners with no out, instead of whiffing, we have another run, we win, and we never get to the Proctor issue. What a dog that guy is.
DAWG150
July 9th, 2011
12:46 pm
hey folks, calm down….we just went toe to toe with the best team in baseball…up there…..u cant win every game…..bravos r fighters…..they’ll b back out there today…..phills know they’re n 4 a fight every time we hit the field……oh yeah……..LAY OFF THE MANAGER……Go get’em Braves!
Jules
July 9th, 2011
12:58 pm
Regarding Fredi’s last quote — the first time he ever put Gearrin in a game, it was an identical situation, just at Petco, not Citizens Bank (which, I know is a major difference). I don’t know why we went with Proctor there. He’s clearly been struggling lately. I was calling for Gearrin from home. Also, really unfortunate that we didn’t have a lefty remaining to face Howard and Ibañez.
Steve
July 9th, 2011
12:59 pm
Hey DAWG150 are you related to Freddi?
Fred
July 9th, 2011
1:04 pm
@ longtimefan,
You are wrong. Any sensible person would not criticize Fredo, if Proctor is the only option left.
But our best reliever did NOT pitch last night. In a tie game. Against the team we happen to be chasing. How the eff is that accpetable?
Thursday, we brought him in, with a 3 run lead. How is that a more important situation than tied, in the 10th? Don’t defend the indefensible. It was dumb to bring in Proctor over Gearrin. Or to not double-switch and let Sherrill pitch. But it is downright irresponsible not to have Kimbrel appear in that game.
But I’m glad that you and Fredo are both pleased that our best reliever (or 2nd best, no time for that debate) had the time to rub one out, in the bullpen. We wouldn’t want to bother him, by having him pitch.
Fred
July 9th, 2011
1:12 pm
@DAWG150,
Why don’t you lay off the ……………………’s? Stop acting like the Phils are unbeatable, or that the manager is beyond reproach. Yes, we’re doing well. But that’s because we have a talented team. If we had a competent manager, we might be able to do more than “stand toe-to-toe” with them. Save that Little League ‘we tried our best’ crap for your children.
ab initio
July 9th, 2011
1:24 pm
Everytime I begin to think that Fredi isn’t an idiot Proctor is inserted in the game and removes all doubt.
O-me
July 9th, 2011
1:29 pm
Save that little League ‘we tried our best’ crap for your children. LOL!
But you right Fred…..@1:04
Brava..agree
Skeeterleg
July 9th, 2011
1:42 pm
It was one freakin game Rafael. Go kill yourself now.
Larry B
July 9th, 2011
1:54 pm
Not much mention that the Phils were playing without their two best hitters — or — that the Phil’s bullpen of two rookies and a no-name bested the much ballyhooed Brave pen.
Truth
July 9th, 2011
2:09 pm
The Braves are 14-5 in their last 19 games. Scott Proctor has been the losing pitcher in 3 of those 5 losses.
Brava
July 9th, 2011
2:12 pm
Oh, stop the world! Jeter got his 3,00th hit! Life will never be the same.
MikeyG
July 9th, 2011
2:19 pm
I have one question for Fredi.Exactly why for what reason did you put Proctor in what was arguably the most important game of the season thus far.I hate answering my own question but believe me ,as a Clemson Tiger fan with decades of experience in watching teams repeatedly choke when the talent to win was there….Like it or not …Fredi likes choking …he’s comfortably with the idea of losing …he easily handles questions and the press after a big loss…He is scared to Win…It will not
get better .
billmaier
July 9th, 2011
2:45 pm
hey everyone there is a thing in baseball rules that you can do a double switch- right you dont let sherrill bat for himself but there would have been no need to if freddi had manged and did a double switch with lugo for gonzo or lugo for uggla the you would still have had sherril to face howard and ibanez- the smart thing to do- proctor is bad without schafer’s outstanding catch howard had a double in the gap even before ibanez hit the grooved fastball– how in the world do you feel comfortable with proctor- freddi– did you see him turn a win into a loss against baltimore doing the same damn thing and have you checked his stats lately in his last 4.2 innings he has given yo 3 jacks and 6 runs isn.t that like a 14.00 or more era so how in god green earth do you feel comfortable with proctor in that situation- how many fastballs wil he grovve before there are too may– the answer is blowin in the wind- i guess
JRW7
July 9th, 2011
3:01 pm
Why is Scott Proctor still on this team??????????????????
TOMY FOURNIER
July 9th, 2011
3:17 pm
CARROLL…WHY YOU COMMENTS IN THE JONES HEALTH AND NOT SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE STUPYDITY THAT MR. MRON FREDDY COMMIT AND ABOUT HIS COMMENT OF HIS NOT SENSE PLAY AT THE END OF THE GAME…HE DON’T DID NOTHING TO WIN…HELLO MR. PROCTOR!!!
Ghostrider
July 9th, 2011
3:23 pm
@JRW7
I wonder the same thing, the guy is pathetic.
Scott Proctor
July 9th, 2011
4:14 pm
“well, lets see, i have given up one…..no,no…..two long home…..wait, I really mean three long homeruns in critical situations, so…I guess, well,…..anyway, Fredi has enough confidence in me now that after the break he told me I can replace Kimbrell as the closer….I feel good about that, for sure. Thanks to all my fans who have supported me…Im hoping Bochy calls me to pitch in the AllStar game,too.”
Please explain....
July 9th, 2011
4:15 pm
please explain to me why the hell that Alex Gonzalez is batting SECOND!
Braves Buff
July 9th, 2011
4:17 pm
Thanks to Liberty, the Braves have no shot atva decent outfielder to trade for. Those CHEAP BASTARDS…whats left for us, sign John Kruk??
Braves Buff
July 9th, 2011
5:00 pm
Hey Tommy, ask Cliff Lee if he likes MEATBALLS with his macaroni!
TB bravesfan
July 9th, 2011
5:04 pm
just 8 pitches way to go braves.
TB bravesfan
July 9th, 2011
5:10 pm
1 run is all they need.
Wah-Wah
July 9th, 2011
5:23 pm
billmaier +1
and you don’t use your closer on the road in a tie game, unless he can go two innnings
Wah-Wah
July 9th, 2011
5:26 pm
but the Braves bullpen is so much better than the Phillies, y’all don’t need all that strategery minutiae. Once the seventh inning arrives the MLB should just award the Braves victory