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Earl Williams
July 1st, 2011
10:35 am
Ease–Have you ever wondered why so many people are supportive of unions consisting of, in actuality, multi millionaire “independent contractors” and so many agonize over their “rights” in any labor dispute and yet the same supporters will usually take the side of a WalMart in a dispute involving people making less in a year than A Rod makes in a game?? Do you understand that?
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
July 1st, 2011
10:36 am
BravesPack We’ve seen McCann do it year after year and he only received a contract around 50 mill give or take
BMac’s contract was around 27mil for 6 years.
Efrim
July 1st, 2011
10:37 am
Why sacrifice any of the future when the team you have has as good a chance as anyone to win it all?
But the future is a bunch of pitching prospects that can’t all fit in the Braves rotation. I’m not saying deal all of Teheran, Delgado, Minor and Vizcaino for Tex. I’m just saying deal one of them for the best CF or SS you can get. Gotta give up something of value to get something of value. Replacing the poor production of CF or SS can make this team quite a bit better if it’s coupled with Heyward and Uggla remembering how to hit.
CB
July 1st, 2011
10:38 am
Soph,you and I need to work out a trade that will benefit us both to leave Ease in the dust.
Bobby Hill
July 1st, 2011
10:39 am
So, is this teh year for the Braves to go “all in?” You’ve got to assume that at some point the team is going to trade pitching for hitting. I can’t see anyone truthfully denying that at this point. But is now the right time to do that? Would an offensive upgrade make the Braves the odds on favorite to beat the Phillies?
I think that at some point the team is going to have to roll the dice and really take a shot, but I’m not convinced that this is the year to do that.
Most of the everyday lineup is either really old / ineffective / or really inexperienced. When you combine that with the fact that this particular mix of guys just doesn’t get on base much…..it just doesn’t seem like the year to go “all in.”
This year this team is built to contend for a playoff spot, but not win a World Series.
Murph
July 1st, 2011
10:39 am
Hi
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
July 1st, 2011
10:40 am
Hello.
BravePack
July 1st, 2011
10:41 am
TennPaul
I don’t disagree with signing a big time position player through FA but as we’ve seen so many times before a lot of those players numbers tend to decline after those huge contracts. I agree with the fact that the Braves need to start drafting top notch position players instead of all these pitchers they keep drafting while having mediocre position players in the minors hoping one pans out. As far as Freeman and Heyward go they still have a lot to prove before they can command a huge contract.
Soph
July 1st, 2011
10:42 am
CB – I’m impressed. You’ve done well this season – are you sure you’ve never done this before?
Earl Williams
July 1st, 2011
10:42 am
Soph–It’s easy to understand.The pitching staff is handled by Walter Brennan reprising his role as “Grandpappy Amos” and he has every intent of having had the entire staff on DL at one time or another. Someone–can’t remember who it was–said frequently at beginning of year that “Walter” would mess up his ACE starters by having them pitch late into every game with no regard for pitch counts.has not happened yet, but there is still time.
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2011
10:43 am
How’s your wife doing, btw, CB?
CB
July 1st, 2011
10:43 am
Thanks,Soph. Team name says it all.
No,never.
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2011
10:44 am
CB is doing phenominal. I think he’s lying about never having done this before.
BravePack
July 1st, 2011
10:44 am
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
July 1st, 2011
10:36 am
BravesPack We’ve seen McCann do it year after year and he only received a contract around 50 mill give or take
BMac’s contract was around 27mil for 6 years.
Wow I was way off huh? Man are the Braves getting their money’s worth or what? BMac is going to get a lot more money in a couple years and he certainly deserves it.
Ease®
July 1st, 2011
10:44 am
Earl, working in the private sector, I have such a limited scope of unions other than what I read. I do know that back in the 80’s when the airline pilots (Delta specifically) went on strike, my father was torn. He loved flying and wanted to work regardless, but as an ex Marine, he knew the value in sticking up for your “brother”… But just take the NFL for example, I do have a problem with the players wanting a cut of the billions that the owners rake in, because I believe they are not entitled as employees of said company. There is a lot more to it than that, but just on the surface, that is my belief. But to answer your question, I will go back to my first sentence.
CB
July 1st, 2011
10:45 am
She is doing very well,jeff. They have put her on different medicine that seems to be working great. Thanks for asking.
Ease®
July 1st, 2011
10:46 am
I think CB should change his team name to Sun Shines on a Dog’s….
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
July 1st, 2011
10:47 am
BravesPack Man are the Braves getting their money’s worth or what?
They sure ARE!!
Yeah, hopefully with this great season he’s having, Frank Wren will be compelled to extend that contract this winter! As a matter of fact…he WILL extend if he knows what’s good for him!
CB
July 1st, 2011
10:48 am
Ease, that was actually pretty funny. True,but funny.
DAP
July 1st, 2011
10:48 am
efrim why in god’s name are we all of a sudden drafting players with high floors and low ceilings?
maybe because we have alot of high ceilings in the organization and they want to sure up the floor? maybe also because the high floor players are closer to the majors, which makes them tradable for lower level prospects, and also gives us time to populate the lower levels?
i dont know much about player development, just taking a stab, there.
Efrim
July 1st, 2011
10:49 am
Bobby Hill, I disagree as this team lead the NL in OBP last year. I know that was last year, but they at least have shown the ability to take a walk. Uggla and Heyward have no where to go but up. Combine that with a capable centerfielder or shortstop and this team can surprise and win the world series. In my mind, they are the fourth best team in baseball. That means they are in the conversation for a World Series title.
Ease®
July 1st, 2011
10:51 am
CB, they installed the defib/pace combo. He had valve replacement surgery 7 years ago and after a month it was determined that he needed the pace-maker. Now the battery was about to run out so he got the upgrade. He was excited because he thought he was going to be part of a study group that was experimenting on different locations for the third lead, but turns out he was too healthy!
Yes, a wonderful device it is…
phil
July 1st, 2011
10:51 am
sabermalicious
July 1st, 2011
2:06 am
divorce sucks. she shakes her booty on weekends, forcing me to babysit the damn kid.
she gets stuck with the regret during the week. the little goalie slipper is at school during the week. then in daycare until 6. goes to bed at 8ish. she has to deal with the little trap for an hour a morning 4 days a week, and for 2 hours a night 4 days a week. 12 waking hours a week she tolerates the brat. i keep the little mistake from the time she leaves school on friday afternoon until i take her to school on monday morning. 35 waking hours for moi with the little ruckus. 3 times as much time wasted with the big mistake than the biggest mistake wastes with the big mistake. but i pay child support and live in a tenement. she has the house. i am a loser
If this is your approach to and attitude about your child, then yes, you’re just what you say you are…sad.
CB
July 1st, 2011
10:52 am
Dangerous ground I know but would anyone consider a trade for Hanley Ramirez? Buy low opportunity.
Horner's Corner
July 1st, 2011
10:54 am
Random-
Thanks for the informative post.
And Earl, I don’t think players complain about the lack of freedom to move, rather it’s the inability to decline a move if one is involved in a trade. ML players were always under Owner control via the Reserve Clause and this did not begin to change until Curt Flood refused a trade to Philadelphia (who can blame him). Since then the Players Union has provided safety nets for established players (10-5 Rights) and free agents often have no-trade clauses written into their contract. However, players who are not eligible cannot refuse a trade.
If one is working with a private firm, that person has the option to refuse a transfer. It may have a negative impact on that individual’s career (transfers are often in conjunction w/ a promotion), but it generally does not lead to termination and it does not prevent that person from seeking like employment elsewhere.
Lew
July 1st, 2011
10:56 am
CB – After his outburst with Fredi last year, I don’t know about that.
Bobby Hill
July 1st, 2011
10:57 am
I imagine this has already been discussed, but I think that the Braves should make a run at JJ Hardy. The Orioles are trying to sign him to a two year extension, but Hardy is 28 and hitting free agency for the first time. He should be able to sign a 5 or even 6 year contract at his age. He would be a fool to sign a two year extension at age 28.
Meanwhile the Braves have no long term solution at SS, and have KK’s and McLouth’s money coming off the books this winters, and Chipper’s and Lowe’s the year after that. There’s no reason the Braves couldn’t offer him a long term contract.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think that landing a half a season of Hardy would require one of the Braves bluechip pitching prospects, but it would probably require Seabass, Pastronicky, and Hoover.
BravePack
July 1st, 2011
10:57 am
Bobby Hill
While the offense right now is struggling and I can see your train of thought I strongly disagree with you comment that this team is not built to win the WS. I believe this team will start to hit at some point this season and when they do it will last the rest of the season. This line-up is strong when hitting to their potential and I believe can keep up with any team. They have a few guys who are struggling which makes it difficult to score runs in bunches other than the occasional home run with men on base, but that will change. As far as the WS goes we all know pitching wins championships and the Braves have plenty of it in starters and the bullpen, both top notch in all of baseball so they most definitely are built to win the Worls Series, especially once they start hitting which they will.
Efrim
July 1st, 2011
10:57 am
DAP, it’s possible, but I think drafting for upside should be the name of the game in something that is such a crapshoot like the draft. Nothing worse than seeing the rosters of Lynchburg, Danville, Rome and the GCL littered with players that are old for the level.
Horner's Corner
July 1st, 2011
10:58 am
Earl-
Just read your last post and smiled, as I often wonder that myself. Welcome to world of Cognitive Dissonance.
phil
July 1st, 2011
10:59 am
Ease®
July 1st, 2011
10:16 am
Am I the only one irritated by having to work today?
It’s rough down here in New Smyrna too…i just saw a wave hit the shore…
CB
July 1st, 2011
10:59 am
I know,Lew. Maybe they both could rise above that.
BravePack
July 1st, 2011
11:03 am
McFann Yeah, hopefully with this great season he’s having, Frank Wren will be compelled to extend that contract this winter! As a matter of fact…he WILL extend if he knows what’s good for him!
If I was Wren I would have done it yesterday.
Lemke's Knuckler
July 1st, 2011
11:03 am
Schafer changes the dynamic of this team. I’m not saying he’s the best leadoff hitter in baseball, but he’s better than any other option we have and you can’t tell me 22 runs in 32 games isn’t serviceable (110 runs over a 162-game season).
And he’s done really well starting off the game. He’s hitting .385 with a .484 OBP in his first at bat of the game. So far, he’s only scored 6 times in those 31 chances, but that’s been the fault of the players hitting behind him. If he keeps this up with Prado hitting second, I bet the Braves are staked to a 1-0 lead in the first more often than not. With this pitching staff, that’s a significant advantage.
So say what you want about Schafer being a 4th outfielder, but I respectfully disagree and I think he provides value to this lineup despite the .222 average. He’s made a lot of silly mistakes on bunting (particularly in his 2nd at bats of the game) and I think that’s an age thing that will improve the more he plays.
The Braves need him in that leadoff spot. And I have to remind everyone again that Freeman was hitting .215 after 30 games and he’s now our second best run producer behind McCann.
Horner's Corner
July 1st, 2011
11:04 am
Ease – “But just take the NFL for example, I do have a problem with the players wanting a cut of the billions that the owners rake in, because I believe they are not entitled as employees of said company.”
This is humor, right?
Lew
July 1st, 2011
11:04 am
CB – Maybe. Uggla didn’t get on with him either, though maybe it would piss him off enough to start hitting?
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2011
11:04 am
What about Jurrjens for Escobar and JoJo
phil
July 1st, 2011
11:05 am
Bravepack – what makes you think we will just magically start hitting? Not being critical but curious. I keep thinking/wishing the same thing and it isn’t happening, although a few signs have maybe peeked through the clouds of late…
flange1
July 1st, 2011
11:06 am
Have to say that I agree with Efrim.
Braves need to spend more money on the draft and international scouting.
They also have a glut of high level minor league pitching that is going to mature at the same time, and that we can’t use all of it on the major league roster.
A big trade for a long term SS or CF involving prospects (mainly pitching) would be a nice catalyst to pushing this team over the top.
The problem is identifying a CF or SS that would fit with this team in the roll the team needs.
The team wants good defenders at both positions and would prefer at least one of the 2 players to be a high OPB guy that hit at the top of the order. The other should either be a high OBP guy or a slugger.
Problem I see is that there are very few players that are available that fit this bill.
Lemke's Knuckler
July 1st, 2011
11:06 am
Regardless of how you want to look at it, when Prado comes back Chipper will go on the DL. So in that month or so McLouth & Schafer should decide with their play who is the center fielder when Chipper comes back. I think it will be Schafer, but I’ve been wrong in the past.
Shaun
July 1st, 2011
11:06 am
Shaun (June 30th, 2011 4:11 pm): “Limiting hits and walks is about the only way to limit runs. When you give up hits and walks more often than the other pitchers who are with you amongst the ERA leaders, that’s a good bet that your ERA is going to rise.”
Bat Masterson (June 30th, 2011 5:17 pm): Yeah, but among the top 20 NL ERA leaders (a/o 28 Jun), JJ ranked 16th in fewest Hits per IP, and 7th in fewest BBs per IP, putting him ranked 12th in lowest WHIP.
Ranking 12th in WHIP among the top 20 NL ERA leaders is no disgrace, nor any kind of warning sign that JJ is not as good as he appears.
It’s a red herring.
Right. I think Jurrjens is closer to the 12th-best pitcher in the league instead of the 1st or 2nd (as his ERA indicates). Also, there is a decent change Jurrjens’s hits allowed rate increases some and therefore his WHIP increases.
Jurrjens isn’t a bad or even an average pitcher, by any means. He’s a darn good one. But I don’t know that he’s going to finish the year as a Cy Young contender or at least be as good the rest of the way as he’s been so far. I hope he keeps it up, though.
Regarding Babe Ruth, my Dennis Rodman comparison was not a great analogy, by any means. My point was that Ruth was a reckless personality who didn’t exactly like dealing with authority. So given the Red Sox financial situation, I think it’s somewhat understandable that they traded Ruth. In hindsight, it looks terrible, obviously. But at the time, it probably didn’t seem quite as bad.
shaun, i think the chances of gonzalez out playing hardy in the second half is about as good as gonzalez out playing brian mccann.
DAP, as I said, in a vacuum, I’ll take Hardy but since the Braves already have Gonzalez, I hope they wouldn’t give up too much to get Hardy. If they can get him for very little, I’m fine with it. At worst, you have an upgrade in the backup infield spot, over the likes of Diory Hernandez, Brandon Hicks and Julio Lugo.
timthebrave
July 1st, 2011
11:07 am
I think we need to hang on to our pitching prospects. See who develops. One of them will have to replace Lowe. Then when his and KK money go off the books just use that money to get who you need. Eventually the young guys will also need to replace Hudson and maybe even JJ if we don’t sign him. I not only want a chance to win this year…I want a chance to win every year
phil
July 1st, 2011
11:08 am
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2011
11:04 am
What about Jurrjens for Escobar and JoJo?
Perfect.
Bobby Hill
July 1st, 2011
11:08 am
Efrim,
I agree. This is a very solid team, and I believe they will make the playoffs.
On base percentage is huge, and this team just can’t do it. Uggla was never a great OBP guy, and Chipper no longer is. Heyward was last year, but seems to have forgotten how to get on base. Infante had an OBP of .359 last year and Prado’s was .350 last year. This year Prado’s OBP and slugging are way down.
I would like to see this team make some moves this year to improve the offense and bolster the playoff odds, but I don’t think we’re at the point yet where the Braves should be trading Jurrjens or Teheran or Delgado, or even Minor. I think the team would be better of waiting to make those big trades.
CB
July 1st, 2011
11:10 am
I don’t know,jeff. JoJo’s trade value has skyrocketed.
DAP
July 1st, 2011
11:12 am
earl Have you ever wondered why so many people are supportive of unions consisting of, in actuality, multi millionaire “independent contractors” and so many agonize over their “rights” in any labor dispute and yet the same supporters will usually take the side of a WalMart in a dispute involving people making less in a year than A Rod makes in a game?? Do you understand that?
its certinly not as simple as you make it sound.
are folks that work at walmart as talented as arod? do they generate as much money for thier store or their company as arod does for his?
those are things to consider, as well as the fact that walmart has the right to not have union workers. MLB made the decision to allow a union, its an agreement. they could have said no, but when your actual product is a person, they have alot more power then people who just push a mop or run items over a scanner.
Lemke's Knuckler
July 1st, 2011
11:13 am
No reason to trade Jurrjens during the season. He’s a gamer and the primary reason the Braves are 12 games over .500. You have Minor and Medlen ready for next year, with Teheran on the fringes, so it makes more sense to trade him in the offseason. His stock will be as high then as it is now.
I like this team how it is right now and I think they will have a very strong second half. Bullpen will be very strong when Moylan and Medlen come back.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
July 1st, 2011
11:14 am
BravesPack If I was Wren I would have done it yesterday.
I would have signed him to a life-time deal a long time ago! Good for as long as he cann/wants to play…
Ease®
July 1st, 2011
11:19 am
phil,
timthebrave
July 1st, 2011
11:19 am
McFann, the Braves made a smart move by signing Mccann so early. His last contract was just over 25 million for 6 years…His next one will be A LOT BIGGER.
timthebrave
July 1st, 2011
11:21 am
Is Mccann signed through 2012, 13? Anybody know
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2011
11:22 am
McFann knows.
Bobby Hill
July 1st, 2011
11:26 am
I do think that the front office has to make some kind of move over the next month. It’s as much about showing the team and the fans that the organization is willing to do what it takes to win.
Plus, the Braves are essentially shooting for the wild card spot. And when you’re shooting for the wild card slot you’re fate is not entirely in your own hands. You’ve got to assume that the other teams in the hunt for that wild card are going to add pieces. The team can’t afford to be complacent.
Fish Bisch
July 1st, 2011
11:27 am
Tonight’s game is mainly for scouts only. JJJ should be on top of his game to prove to other teams he is a legit ace. According to DOB and Buster Onley, a trade is imminent.
TennesseePaul
July 1st, 2011
11:28 am
but as we’ve seen so many times before a lot of those players numbers tend to decline after those huge contracts
BravePack, with this, you are almost always seeing FA who enter free agency at older ages. However, you don’t have to just go via free agency. One could acquire a Kemp or similar and work out an extention which will probably be massive, but lock him up through 35. By that point you will have received his best production years, and limited the number of down years. Locking up 30+ year olds to 7,8,9 or 10 year deals is running a massive risk. The player would have to be exceptionally good and offer incredible marketing opportunities.
The team always says they use accounting methods to average the cost out over the duration, so while Hampton was getting paid huge annual salaries, the team simply said to them he was an $8M a year pitcher.
TennesseePaul
July 1st, 2011
11:28 am
you can’t tell me 22 runs in 32 games isn’t serviceable
So far, he’s only scored 6 times in those 31 chances, but that’s been the fault of the players hitting behind him.
So which is it, are runs a factor of team effort or simply a result of Schafer’s inate ability?
It’s great that the first at bat of the game, Schafer does well. Unfortunately he only gets one of those a game and the rest of the game he stinks. He’s atrocious. If there were a player with a better ability to get on base, he’d score more than Shcafer.
TennesseePaul
July 1st, 2011
11:30 am
The problem is identifying a CF or SS that would fit with this team in the roll the team needs.
Such players exist. The problem has become cost. If the team isn’t willing to spend money on an acquired player to lock them up, it’s wasting prospects which merely highlights the issues with the new draft philosophy.
MikeInFl
July 1st, 2011
11:30 am
I have mapped out our pitching for the next three years for you folks. Here’s what we should do:
This year: no changes (don’t trade any mlb or top prosepct pitching; only trade lesser prospects for a RH bat off the bench)
2012: Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson, Beachy, Minor (with Lowe traded offseason even if we have to eat some $$, Teheran and Delgado getting spot work in the majors, but otherwise refining their craft at AAA)
2013: Hanson, Beachy, Teheran, Minor, Hudson (trading Jurrjens with 1 year of arb left for a good retun; Delgado/Vizcaino either out of the ‘pen or at Gwinnett; maybe not picking up Hudson’s option for $13 mil, if the young guys are ready and good)
2014: Hanson, Beachy, Teheran, Delgado, Minor, Vizcaino/Other (really, who knows that far out).
We might decline Hudson’s 2013 option (tough to do, but if the kids are really ready in 2013, that would be the best move).
We avoid paying Lowe his $15 mil in 2012 (though probably have to eat a few mil); avoid paying Jurrjens 3rd year arb in 2013 and get good return on a trade; and possiblyavoid paying Hudson 13 mil in 2013, depending on how the young guns develop.
timthebrave
July 1st, 2011
11:30 am
Is anyone getting someone better than Prado and Moylan?…I doubt it
BravePack
July 1st, 2011
11:30 am
phil
Despite what the numbers show Uggla is showing signs of coming out of it, at least to me. He’s taking pitches and getting himself in a good hitter’s count. I think he could have a really good home series this weekend. I hope with each AB Heyward gets he starts getting closer to hitting the ball with authority like we know he can. Marteeeeen is getting closer to returning and Freeman and McCann have been raking. I think Schafer will improve with each AB as well and be a good lead off hitter, and if he struggles McLouth has been hitting pretty well. I really think the sweep in Seattle will give the offense some confidence.
McFann…I would have signed him to a life-time deal a long time ago! Good for as long as he cann/wants to play…
Yeah make it an open-ended contract where he can just collect as much money as he thinks he deserves for his great play and how much his family needs and as long as he wants to play. After all we all know he is a favorite among fellow major leaguers and all Braves fans, especially you and me. He’s to good of a person to take advantage right?
DAP
July 1st, 2011
11:31 am
bobby hill I imagine this has already been discussed, but I think that the Braves should make a run at JJ Hardy.
yes it has, and yes they should. hardy is the 2nd best SS on the market, and fit the braves’ needs pretty well. i like your trade proposal, too.
efrim I think drafting for upside should be the name of the game in something that is such a crapshoot like the draft
if im right, (and thats a slim chance) the way the braves are drafting now is just a phase. the braves have so much young talent ready to crack the majors, or already contributing, that they will have time to repopulate the minors with high ceiling players when they have a super young productive core. and they are in the latter part of that transition.
timthebrave
July 1st, 2011
11:32 am
MikeInFl, I’m pretty sure that Lowe will be pitching for the Braves next year. He is too expensive to trade and too good to just let go
MikeInFl
July 1st, 2011
11:34 am
tim, maybe. I think if he has a good 2nd half, we could trade him to a big-market contender like NY, Boston, LAA, etc; probably would have to eat maybe $5 mil, which might hurt our pride but would still give us $10 mil to spend on other options.
But of course, you may be right…
BravePack
July 1st, 2011
11:36 am
TennPaul
I’m assuming you are looking for a Kemp for JJ swap and then signing him long term?
TennesseePaul
July 1st, 2011
11:37 am
if im right, (and thats a slim chance) the way the braves are drafting now is just a phase
It’s a bad phase. They had higher picks and picked weaker players. If these young guys are as good as we all hope, the team will win more and have fewer higher picks and from there a smaller high ceiling talent pool to pick from. It seems they are burning through high picks for low ceilings with a goal of having even lower picks in the future…
Bat Masterson
July 1st, 2011
11:37 am
McFann, the Braves made a smart move by signing Mccann so early. His last contract was just over 25 million for 6 years…His next one will be A LOT BIGGER. _ timthebrave
Heap’s contract is worth more than that. 2012 is the last guaranteed year, 8.5 million, he has incentives that can push that to 11.5 million. If he hits his incentives he will make 30 million in the first six with a team option for 2013 at 12 to 13.5 million depending on who’s numbers are correct. Anyway, unless something goes wrong next year, the Braves pick up Heap’s option and he makes over 40 million in his first seven years.
Scrub21
July 1st, 2011
11:38 am
hello everyone!
DAP
July 1st, 2011
11:40 am
you know what i was thinking about yesterday? how much not getting cody ross last year has hurt the braves…not only last season, but this year too.
last year we needed a CF, and the giants blocked us and picked him up, and went on to win the WS while he had a great NLCS.
this season, here we are still in need of a decent CF, while ross is over there OPSing .776 with a .350 OBP. he is right handed and killing lefties this season, at a .875 OPS.
i think one of the most damaging things that has happened to the braves over the last two seasons is the giants scooting in and snatching up cody ross.
TennesseePaul
July 1st, 2011
11:40 am
BravePack. No. I wouldn’t trade JJ. I see no reason to trade JJ.
I would offer potentially other players. But yes, if Kemp were available, I’d do what I could, short of dismantling one of the best pitching staffs in the majors, to get him in Atlanta and keep him there. The Dodgers though will be a tough one to deal with. They have massive issues.
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2011
11:41 am
Is anyone getting someone better than Prado and Moylan?…I doubt it
St. Louis is getting Pujols
Fargo
July 1st, 2011
11:42 am
I disagree with those in favor of Hardy. He has a history of being on the DL, and that concerns me. Agon has only had what? a few days of rest all season…
I don’t think Hardy is as durable as agon.
George
July 1st, 2011
11:43 am
Good morning all
I see more than a bit of talk on here this morning about tradeing JJ. Is there any basis of fact to it? or is it just the museings of bloggers? I hope it will not happen, it would be STUPID. JJ has proven to be the ace of our staff.
T for Texas
July 1st, 2011
11:49 am
The Dodgers though will be a tough one to deal with. They have massive issues.
There seems to be some sentiment floating around out there that the Dodgers’ financial troubles will force them to deal Kemp, Ethier, and maybe Kershaw(?) since they don’t have the stability necessary to re-sign them. If this is the case then maybe the Dodgers don’t have all the leverage in the world, making a reasonable deal for Kemp possible.
DAP
July 1st, 2011
11:50 am
fargo I don’t think Hardy is as durable as agon.
gonzalez’s durability is not really a good thing. remember when frechy got traded to the mets, and minaya said one thing they like about him was that he played everyday. a blogger here said “thats funny…because thats what we DIDNT like about him!”
hardy is OPSing nearly 300 points higher than gonzalez. 300 points! even if hardy misses some time, he will help the team more than gonzalez. im confident of that.
Horner's Corner
July 1st, 2011
11:50 am
Lemke’s Knuckler-
If you’re going to continue with the Schafer/Freeman analogy then please take this into consideration as well. Freeman hit .301/.363/.472 in the minors (424 gms), while Schafer hit .258/.325/.408 (510 gms).
Fargo
July 1st, 2011
11:52 am
DAP – you make a valid point. but you honestly think his OPS is more valuable than having diory/hicks playing for a couple weeks here and there?
Either way….all this talk and commotion will be a moot point. I don’t foresee the braves making any moves.
Tomas
July 1st, 2011
11:53 am
Just catching up on the Escobar vs Diaz incident. http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110701&content_id=21238304&vkey=news_pit&fext=.jsp&c_id=pit
Maybe Diaz legs were a little high in the second slide, but Escobar punched him in the ribs. The first slide was very professional.
John Leonard
July 1st, 2011
11:54 am
Im all for trading JJ and Hanson {Boras}. But not for Kemp.I don’t think he has his head on right,you could end up with Escobar 2.0.
George
July 1st, 2011
11:55 am
If it was BLUSTER on ESPN what started talk about tradeing JJ, he should mind his own bussiness. JJ has become our ace.
Ease®
July 1st, 2011
11:57 am
Yeah, tell that baseball writer to go mind his own business!
George
July 1st, 2011
11:58 am
Ease 11:57
Glad you agree. We don’t agree about much.
Horner's Corner
July 1st, 2011
11:59 am
When will the Braves need to replace their current starters?
Lowe– Signed through 2012
Hudson– Signed through 2012 ($9M club option for 2013 – Huddy will 37)
Jurrjens– Free agent in 2014 (Scott Boras client)
Hanson- Free agent in 2016 (Scott Boras client)
Beachy– Free agent in 2017
Mixxo
July 1st, 2011
11:59 am
If I’m Esco, I CAN’T WAIT for him to try that again.
F*** Diaz!
Trey
July 1st, 2011
12:00 pm
Man, it’s a shame about Willie Harris. He’s going through a tough time.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
July 1st, 2011
12:00 pm
Yeah, as Bat explained, ‘13 is an option year—but if he gets a new deal, will that option be moot or whatever?
BravesPack—
As long as “taking advantage” of him wouldn’t be a bad thing.
jeffrey d McFann knows.
Soph
July 1st, 2011
12:00 pm
whoooooosh
Mixxo
July 1st, 2011
12:00 pm
JJ & Hanson for Reyes!
Please! Do it!
Mixxo
July 1st, 2011
12:01 pm
OK, see if they’ll just do Hanson first.
BLUSTER ONLY
July 1st, 2011
12:02 pm
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BLUSTER ONLY
July 1st, 2011
12:02 pm
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jeffrey d
July 1st, 2011
12:03 pm
whoooooosh
BLUSTER ONLY
July 1st, 2011
12:03 pm
I will! Baseball is my Bidness, ha
Ease®
July 1st, 2011
12:03 pm
A baseball writer, especially one for a sports network, has no business writing stories speculating on baseball players…none…No business at all. Truly unprofessional. The worst. FIRE BUSTER!
CB
July 1st, 2011
12:03 pm
Whoooosh’s are common on this blog.
Ease®
July 1st, 2011
12:03 pm
perfection Soph
George
July 1st, 2011
12:04 pm
Mixxo 12:00
I do NOT believe you area Braves fan. You are just on here to cause trouble.
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2011
12:05 pm
Mixxo 12:00
I do NOT believe you area Braves fan. You are just on here to cause trouble.
No whooshing there…I’ll agree to that.
CB
July 1st, 2011
12:06 pm
Soph! Soph!
Mixxo
July 1st, 2011
12:06 pm
George -
Son, I’ve been a Braves fan longer than you’ve been alive.
Hanson & Heyward for Reyes……Do It!
Horner's Corner
July 1st, 2011
12:06 pm
I would always take an established ML starter who’s not eligible for free agency over a highly touted prospect. Thus, I hope the Braves aren’t shopping JJ or Hanson. There are way too many quality starts left in those guys at below market price to discuss moving them now.