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TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
1:34 pm
Yeah, I posted that MLBTR quote about Jurrjens because I thought is was funny. “Rival GM’s wonder” about the possibility of maybe getting one of the best pitchers in the league in a deal from the Braves. Basically what this speculation tells you is, every other GM likes Jurrjens, and would want him on their team. The Braves have Jurrjens on their team. No need to trade him. I do not think for one minute that his agent is going to be a hindrance to his future with this team. If Jurrjens keeps this up until he hits free agency, he’ll draw a lot of attention and big contracts offers, even if he had your run of the mill assclown working for him.
If a trade is to occur involving a pitcher for a bat, it will be from the minor league pitching depth. I’m 99% sure of this.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
1:34 pm
fish the 2011 braves have bucked the notion that you can’t win if you can’t score.
no they havent. i just checked the stats and the braves have lost 100% of games when they dont score.
they win 100% of the games where they score more than the other side.
rrosson3
June 30th, 2011
1:34 pm
you have to give up some talent to get some. id be ok with trading JJ now and getting that bat we need for either SS or CF. JJ is going to be too pricey next year with a arbitration raise and then wont be signable for the braves being that he is represented by Boras. who wed trade for is the question tho. Kemp is not going anywhere and Jose Reyes will require someone else of quality as well. Marlon Byrd would do well in our offense but being that hes been hurt and out a while idk that id give up JJ for him. Maybe Minor and schafer for Byrd if he comes back strong? hes coming back within the next couple days and if he does well he may be an option sense hes signed cheaply for next season as well.
Whoop
June 30th, 2011
1:34 pm
Unless the Braves make a move for a better CF, McLouth needs to be starting over Schafer once Prado returns.
Shaun
June 30th, 2011
1:34 pm
Arkansas Transplant, I hope the front office is about at the end of its rope with regard to Schafer. If they can move him, I hope they’d do it. I hope they aren’t hanging on to him and counting on him to be the centerfielder of the future. That said, I have no problem, if he isn’t included in a package, with him going down to Triple-A, playing everyday and seeing if he can develop into the player they thought he might be a few seasons ago. But it’s looking more and more like he’s never going to be an adequate everyday major leaguer.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:35 pm
“Considering that he’s unlikely to repeat his numbers from this season”
People said the same thing in ‘09 and yet, here he is, even better
How did that 2010 season go?
Mike in Marietta
June 30th, 2011
1:36 pm
Does anyone see making a push for BJ Upton? I am not sure I would or would not want to go after him but I see that as being a much more likely scenario than Eithier or Kemp.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
1:36 pm
If JJ brings back a 30-HR a year right-handed corner OF bat, would the Braves regret it then?
Probably. If I recall, there are no open positions on this team, particularly in the outfield and especially in the corner outfield.
Shaun
June 30th, 2011
1:38 pm
Mike, I would love to see them make a push for BJ Upton. But I don’t know that he’s worth the players the Rays would likely want and I don’t know that the Rays are that desperate to move him since they are still fairly close in the AL playoff race and likely will still be there a month from now.
Whoop
June 30th, 2011
1:38 pm
“How did that 2010 season go?”
You mean the one where he was plagued by injuries?
Shaun
June 30th, 2011
1:40 pm
TennesseePaul, I agree. The only want the Braves don’t regret a trade of JJ is if it brings back a big-time centerfield bat, like a Kemp. And I doubt teams are going to give up that kind of player for JJ, as good as JJ is.
timthebrave
June 30th, 2011
1:40 pm
Mcfann, I know you are a fan of turtles. You might get a kick out of this article
http://www.ajc.com/travel/nyc-airport-invaded-by-992478.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
1:40 pm
But it’s looking more and more like he’s never going to be an adequate everyday major leaguer.
But,,,, but,,,, he got on base the other day…. he scored a run a few days ago… he’s really, really fast…. it’s just bad luck… the stats are lying… all you need to know is he’s getting better…. he got a hit yesterday. You can’t go by the fact that each week his numbers get worse and worse. Or that he is actually producing a worse line than his injury riddled 2009 “season.”
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:40 pm
If JJ brings back a 30-HR a year right-handed corner OF bat, would the Braves regret it then?
Probably. If I recall, there are no open positions on this team, particularly in the outfield and especially in the corner outfield.
Well considering I was making the arguement for trading him in the offseason instead of now (which would be insane), I don’t see that as being too big of an issue. Especially if the OF bat is a minor league guy who is a year away from the bigs.
A-Ville Ranger
June 30th, 2011
1:41 pm
Two things I’m sure of…
1. The offense will be better in the 2nd half.
2. The pitching won’t be as good.
Our starters don’t eat enough quality innings to finish with a near 3.00 era. I’m not saying the rotation will fall apart, just that it will not be quite as dominating.
As for offense, I don’t see it being as weak over the next 80 games as it averaged over the first 82.
raleighbravefan
June 30th, 2011
1:42 pm
AT – You keep saying trade Lowe. I keep saying “to who”?
- You think he is medeocre at best, and paid way too much. Yet, you think some GM is going to take on his salary plus give us talent in return. You’re living in Fantacyland.
RC – You say JJ has been “incredibly lucky” and will bring a much higher price than he likely ever will in the future. I say he is incredibly good, and may very well be one of the best pitchers in MLB for years to come.
T for Texas
June 30th, 2011
1:42 pm
he’ll draw a lot of attention and big contracts offers, even if he had your run of the mill assclown working for him.
Way to cut through the Boras fog there, 10Paul. Fantastic!
Murph
June 30th, 2011
1:42 pm
If JJ brings back a 30-HR a year right-handed corner OF bat, would the Braves regret it then?
A couple of years ago those guys were a dime a dozen. Now they are rare. If you’ve got one, chances are you want to keep them.
The Braves have a position problem in that Chipper still has a year left, which means Prado has another year in LF to go. Neither one of those guys is going anywhere, so… now what?
CF is the only obvious position that needs an upgrade. AGon is not going anywhere despite his horrible performance lately at the plate.
timthebrave
June 30th, 2011
1:42 pm
By the time JJ would sign a really big contract and not just get a raise Lowe and maybe even Hudson might be off the books
Random
June 30th, 2011
1:43 pm
Veer (June 28th, 2011 11:59 am): “Jurrjens is overacheving this season. Go to ESPN and look at Era leaders and compare the top 20 ERA leaders with WHIP and K/9. You will see Jurrjens is simply overacheving.”
A questionable conclusion, based on only two peripheral stats. What about some of the others?
Of the 20 NL ERA leaders (of which Jurrjens ranks 1st at 2.07), JJ ranks 12th in WHIP (1.14) and 18th in K/9 (5.17).
However, JJ ranks 7th in fewest BB/9 (2.07) and 3rd in fewest Total Bases (119) (8th in fewest TB/IP (1.25), and 7th in SLG against at .334).
JJ ranks 4th in fewest Pitches thrown (1391), and 2nd in fewest P/IP (14.54).
What is really interesting is that although JJ ranks 19th in lowest GO/AO ratio at only 1.38 Ground Outs for every Fly Out, he ranks 2nd in fewest HRs allowed (5), and 3rd in HR/IP (0.053).
I consider it premature to conclude that Jurrjens is overachieving. I don’t see it.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:43 pm
Tenn Paul and Shaun,
I completely agree than an awesome CF bat would be the best return for JJ. But like Shaun said, those aren’t readily available. I should be clear that I don’t think they will (or should) trade him this season…he has too much value to the 2011 team. But going into 2012, I have a feeling he will be able to bring back a piece more valuable to the future of the team than he would be himself.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:44 pm
raleighbravefan,
Can’t JJ be lucky AND good? I think he’s very good too….but not as good as his 2011 numbers indicate. If the Braves can get a team to pay market price for him in the offseason based on those numbers, they would be very wise to do it. In my opinion.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
1:45 pm
RC, Especially if the OF bat is a minor league guy who is a year away from the bigs.
That would be even worse. Trading JJ for one minor leaguer a year away from the bigs? There’s no precedent for such a move. Ever. Dealing a Cy Young candidate for a minor leaguer a year from the majors.
I thought my view on Schafer was rough, you must not have any hope for JJ….
Whoop
June 30th, 2011
1:45 pm
“Last year everyone was saying the Braves would regret trading Vazquez.”
Now what Vazquez did in 09 was in fact, a fluke. It’s not a fluke if you’re consistently doing it and JJ has been. (minus 2010, with the injuries)
“If JJ brings back a 30-HR a year right-handed corner OF bat, would the Braves regret it then?”
If JJ is nothing more than a lucky SOB who’s really not that great, like you claim, why would anyone trade the Braves a 30 HR a year right-handed OF bat for him?
That’s what gets me about this Jurrjens talk. The Braves shouldn’t keep him because he isn’t that good, extremely lucky, nothing more than a #3 starter blah blah blah, but yet, people turn around and claim he could be traded for Matt Kemp or Ryan Braun.
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
1:46 pm
I love Chipper but he is really making trade options hard. With him being under contract next season there’s only a very small chance he decides to retire after this year. I just dont see him being healthy enough to be worth the 13 million in 2012. Hopefully we win the world series and Chip decides to go out on top. Prado moves to 3rd base and we go out and trade for a LF with our surplus pitching.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:46 pm
By the time JJ would sign a really big contract and not just get a raise Lowe and maybe even Hudson might be off the books
Lowe off the books after 2012. Hudson is off after either 2012 or 2013, depending on if the team picks up his option. Jurrjens is a free agent after 2013.
Mike in Marietta
June 30th, 2011
1:46 pm
Shaun,
I agree with you but being that Upton is making almost 5 million now and is due a raise through arbitration I think he could be shopped. Not to mention him butting heads with the Ray’s franchise player last year. One way or another I see Upton on his way out of Tampa and I think this would be the time for them to shop him.
Does anybody see us trying to sign David Eckstein? I know these Braves are very big on having good “club house guys” and from what I hear Eckstein is the best. Nobody works harder and he could be the leadoff hitter we need.
CrαZy
June 30th, 2011
1:49 pm
I think its funny how naïve some fans can be. To think Teheran, Vizcaino, Delgado and Minor will all become great ML pitchers. If 1 of those guys ends up making it as a top of the rotation starter that would be good anything more would be remarkable. Hell, Beachy may end up being the best pitcher from the group. With baseball seeming to be going more and more towards pitching I’d rather keep the sure things we have and trade prospects first. Find a way to deal Lowe and once Hudson is gone in a few years Hanson and JJJ will be the ones at the top making the money while all these guys we hope will become the future of the staff can take over the bottom spots.
timthebrave
June 30th, 2011
1:49 pm
JJ has “overachieved” every year that he has been healthy. In other words he is really good but we don’t want to give him credit
DAP
June 30th, 2011
1:49 pm
murph AGon is not going anywhere despite his horrible performance lately at the plate.
why the heck not? why is CF such an improvable position, but SS, where we have a .637 OPS on a guy with half a season left on his cheap contract is somehow immovable?
no, SS is a position the braves can upgrade just as easily as CF, and they should if they get a chance.
Big Nick
June 30th, 2011
1:49 pm
Matt Kemp is not a FA until after 2012. Someone is wrong. Hmmm
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:50 pm
Does anybody see us trying to sign David Eckstein? I know these Braves are very big on having good “club house guys” and from what I hear Eckstein is the best. Nobody works harder and he could be the leadoff hitter we need.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, etc.
NO
raleighbravefan
June 30th, 2011
1:51 pm
RC – He could be lucky and good, but I’m not willing to say that he’s not as good as his 2011 numbers indicate. If anything, he’s young enough that he may very well continue to improve for at least a couple of years.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:51 pm
JJ has “overachieved” every year that he has been healthy. In other words he is really good but we don’t want to give him credit
Doesn’t the “every year he’s been healthy” give you some cause for concern? It’s not like he’s guaranteed health in the future, or you get to start the season over if he gets hurt.
CrαZy
June 30th, 2011
1:51 pm
Mike……that’s all we need another 4’8” midget….sorry little person….I mean height impaired person on the team.
Tired of the Drama
June 30th, 2011
1:52 pm
Braves tied for 2nd (with the NYY) in MLB for most wins with 47.
In the Year of the Pitcher, the Braves are going to RULE.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
1:52 pm
one reason jurrjens ERA is so low despite his periphials is that he induces weak contact, and he is at his best with runners on.
this has been the case his entire career. this is not a fluke or a new development.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:53 pm
raleighbravefan,
Fair enough. I believe that he’s not as good as his 2011 numbers indicate, but we’ll have to wait and see which of us ends up being right. Fortunately neither of us have a say in the matter.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
1:55 pm
SS is a position the braves can upgrade just as easily as CF, and they should if they get a chance.
Very true.
richbrave
June 30th, 2011
1:55 pm
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:34 pm
The Braves would regret trading Jurrjens.
Last year everyone was saying the Braves would regret trading Vazquez. If JJ brings back a 30-HR a year right-handed corner OF bat, would the Braves regret it then?
You mean like UGGLA’s 2B bat?
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:58 pm
no, SS is a position the braves can upgrade just as easily as CF, and they should if they get a chance.
So here’s a question. Realizing that we will be pitted against this team in the years to come, how much would you be willing to send the Mets to get Reyes on the Braves?
While I like Gonzalez, the idea of Reyes batting leadoff is pretty damn appealing.
MikeInFl
June 30th, 2011
1:58 pm
Upton would be great. Even in a bad year, rakes against LHP, plays great CF. Pay him/play him for this year and ‘12 and then take the draft picks. Cheaper than Nate. I like it.
Fish Bisch
June 30th, 2011
1:58 pm
RC, is that a maybe on Exstein?
The Lemmer
June 30th, 2011
1:59 pm
Beachy is a keeper, & Minor will not get you anyone of impact unless he’s in a package with others, Hanson & Huddy are here to stay, Tehran is untouchable, so that leaves Lowe or JJ, if you were a GM , would would you want??? Exactly, so trade JJ, throw in McOut & his salary, & we swap CF for Kemp, end of CF problem for a long term deal say 5 years? I say YES please, do it FW!!!
Earl Williams
June 30th, 2011
2:00 pm
A good idea would be to go after Nolasco. He is about to get hot for a very bad team that by now should be willing to trade an asset for a COUPLE of good–not great–prospects.
A majority of MLB teams are still leery of Jair’s longevity based upon his body type.That is why Dombo traded him to the Braves in the first place. He may be at the peak of his value.Obviously it all depends on what they get back
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:01 pm
You mean like UGGLA’s 2B bat?
Uggla is on pace to hit 24 homers. It’s less than we’d like, but not too bad. It’s the rest of his “production” that’s terribly off.
And any way, if that is the precedent, the team traded a bench player and a reliever for him…
Fish Bisch
June 30th, 2011
2:02 pm
Kelly Johson would’ve gotten us 24 homers this year. And a lot cheaper too.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
2:02 pm
RC the idea of Reyes batting leadoff is pretty damn appealing.
i just think it will be too much in prospects this year and $$$ if we want to resign him. also, there is alot of risk in a guy like reyes, in my opinion. a leg injury, and his value takes a huge hit.
i do like him, but he just doesnt fit.
there is another 29 year old SS i think would fit nicely. jj hardy, who i have mentioned several times. the orioles are talking extension, but thats not a done deal by any means. hes my pick.
ppaddy123
June 30th, 2011
2:03 pm
I don’t know what Braves team ya’ll been watching, but Mclousy has been pretty solid this year. He gets quality AB’s and he’s playing solid “D”…….What more do you want?
cricket
June 30th, 2011
2:03 pm
I think there are a lot of teams that wouldn’t hire Fredi Gonzalez to be there manager.
Well, that’s just your “thought”. You haven’t really hacked all teams’ GMs’ VM and emails to prove that this “thought” holds any water. On the other hand, one of the most respected team actually did the deed and hired the guy. But off course that would mean nothing to you since this empirical fact does not suit your fantastical opinion and hence must be discarded.
Anyway, I have no desire to continue this, or any other, discussion with you. Sorry I started this thing in the first place.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:04 pm
how much would you be willing to send the Mets to get Reyes on the Braves
I’d love to have a player as dynamic as Reyes on the team this year… but dealing with in the division for a rental… might as well wait until the off-season and just sign him. All it’d cost then is a draft pick… maybe. I guess even that could change with the new CBA
timthebrave
June 30th, 2011
2:04 pm
Everyone is tradeable if you have the right offer but I wouldn’t be looking to trade JJ
Jay Dubu
June 30th, 2011
2:05 pm
The Braves are paying Lowe 15 mil, and KK 7+ mil, but they can’t afford to keep JJ when his free agent year comes?
How do you figure that?
If JJ continues to put up CY Young Award numbers, he should be paid accordingly.
The Braves have given some bad contracts recently to much older players.
The Glavine deal was bad, and I saidf that when they were talking about bring him back.
And as much as Chipper has meant to this organization over the past decade, do you think of him as a 13+ mil player this year and next?
The Lowe contract was a desperation move, so that had to up the ante, but that doesn’t make it a good contract this year and next.
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
2:06 pm
CC (Atlanta)
Freddie Freeman hits lefties (good ones like Cliff Lee) really well. Other than his high K rate, is this about what you expected from him?
Klaw
(2:06 PM)
For this year, yes. But I think there’s quite a bit more in the bat.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:06 pm
FB, KJ is RH.
Fish Bisch
June 30th, 2011
2:06 pm
This blog gets hostile and crazy on off days.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:06 pm
*LH not RH
Patrick
June 30th, 2011
2:06 pm
The only and worst thing about Jurrjens is that Bora$$ is his agent
timthebrave
June 30th, 2011
2:07 pm
I don’t see the Braves making any major moves until Lowe and/or Chipper come off the books. Just my opinion. Who wouldn’t like Reyes but you might as well wait unless you want the Mets to have a good starting rotation which I don’t
cricket
June 30th, 2011
2:07 pm
In other words he is really good but we don’t want to give him credit
chicks dig strikeouts, not contact pitching
Earl Williams
June 30th, 2011
2:07 pm
Tennessee–the “bench player” has one less RBI than Uggla and I agree that Infante SHOULD be a bench player. Does that tell us something. Also realize that Uggla will be there through 2015.Scary?? Uggla should thank God every day that he is not in New York, Boston or Philadelphia where people take their baseball seriously and with an attitude.Can you imagine the headlines on the back page of the N.Y. Post and Daily News about the travails of Daniel Uggla? Talk about UGLY now that would be UGLY.
Fast Eddie Perez
June 30th, 2011
2:07 pm
There are no open positions on this team??? Paul, what team are you watching? We have holes at SS, CF, a part time 3RD baseman, even AFTER Prado comes back! McOut/ Schafer combo is NOT gonna get you to the World Series, neither is a gimpy Chipper or a free swinging Gonzo, so like Monty Hall used to say, “Lets make a deal”! Comprende’ Senor?
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
June 30th, 2011
2:08 pm
Soph, timthebrave—
Thanks for that link about the turtles!
That’s really something…haha! That would be kinda hilarious to have your flight delayed by turtles! 
(Well, I guess if you were in a big hurry it wouldn’t be…but you’d laugh eventually…)
David O'Brien
June 30th, 2011
2:10 pm
In other words he is really good but we don’t want to give him credit
chicks dig strikeouts, not contact pitching — cricket
So what?
cricket
June 30th, 2011
2:10 pm
Reyes is not coming to braves, not now, not after the season (braves are not going to pay him 150mil).
ppaddy123
June 30th, 2011
2:11 pm
Agon might not be hitting (or at least putting up the numbers he did in hitter friendly Toronto) but I’ll take his defense up the middle. The guy’s one of the “smoothest” SS’s in the league.
flange1
June 30th, 2011
2:11 pm
I would consider trading JJJ for a slugger RH OF. Love a CF, but those are VERY rare.
But there are very few of those out there. Start looking and you will see Hunter Pence is about as good as it gets of folks that are known to be available.
I just don’t think that the Braves will be able to upgrade their STARTING lineup during the season.
I see a couple of small trades, maybe a bullpen arm, maybe an upgrade to the back up OF or SS, but that is about it.
To make a big splash before the trade deadline would either force the Braves to raise the salary level by 5 million at least or trade away a vet that is making 5 million +.
I can’t see either happening.
Jay Dubu
June 30th, 2011
2:12 pm
I like the philosophy of the Braves with regards to player development via the minor leagues. They have contracted extremely strong on pitching, which is the backbone of the sport, but need to put some emphasis on hitting and speed.
You can’t always depend on another team being willing to trade good hitters for pitching, not young ones anyway. Players coming up on their free agent year like Tex and Uggs, maybe, but they’re not getting Matt Kemp or that type of player, as some on the blog have wished.
ncscoots
June 30th, 2011
2:14 pm
David Eckstein is much better served to remain as manager of his wife’s career than to attempt catching on with a ML team. After all, he’s already been immortalized, right here on the blog, with “The Eckstein Index”. Having that already, any further attempts at actually playing would merely sully his legacy. Let’s not have that, shall we?
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2011
2:14 pm
chicks dig strikeouts, not contact pitching
Most girls I know dig winning. Don’t much care how it happens
David O'Brien
June 30th, 2011
2:14 pm
I’d love to have a player as dynamic as Reyes on the team this year… but dealing with in the division for a rental… might as well wait until the off-season and just sign him. All it’d cost then is a draft pick… maybe. I guess even that could change with the new CBA — TennesseePaul
A team will sign Reyes to a long-term contract worth well over $100 million, and that team will not be the Braves. Of that I am quite confidence.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:14 pm
EW, I could care less about the RBI totals. No, I’m not scared of the contract Uggla has. I think he’ll bounce back. The thing we can learn from the players exchanged in the Uggla trade is that the Marlins over valued Omar Infante. There was nothing in Uggla’s playing record which would have hinted he would struggle this bad. I read all the reports. Many were skeptical of the length of the deal. “Probably wouldn’t have gone that long.” No one said, “look for Uggla to be the single worst every day player in 2011.”
timthebrave
June 30th, 2011
2:15 pm
All of these GM’s are dying to trade there cheap young all star type outfielders….They are just lining up to get rid of Kemp and Pence….Keep dreaming
cricket
June 30th, 2011
2:15 pm
DOB
In other words he is really good but we don’t want to give him credit
chicks dig strikeouts, not contact pitching — cricket
So what?
Well, I’m not a chick (!) and I don’t mind contact pitching at all a la JJJ and Hudson. Just pointing out that many blog-experts and veer will continue to underestimate JJJ for years to come because he doesn’t strike out lot of guys and will drool all over Beachy (who I like too) to be more successful than JJJ.
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
2:16 pm
If the Braves feel Schafer isnt the answer for now and 2012, trade Minor for Bourn.
Snotboogie
June 30th, 2011
2:16 pm
Earl Williams
What happened to the 45 min blog limit?
Couldnt control your obsession, as usual. Or did you just forget to change your username.
Figures.
timthebrave
June 30th, 2011
2:17 pm
If someone doesn’t strike out 10 a game people are always saying that they are overachieving if they have success. Guess what people. Many pitchers are hall of famers that didn’t k a ton of people.
cricket
June 30th, 2011
2:18 pm
Most girls I know dig winning. Don’t much care how it happens
I know I know. Just trying to use the ol’ “chicks dig..” phrase
flange1
June 30th, 2011
2:19 pm
Earl,
Why do continue on the Uggla crusade? You have told us he is through and you have told us that we are seeing eh proof and that he will not rebound.
OK. He has not hit well this year and while I doubt it, it is true he could be done.
Yes the Braves spent a boatload on a long contract which most blog regulars did not particularly like.
SO why keep bringing it up 10 -15 times a day? Do you think we did not hear you? Do you think we are not watching Dan play every day?
You have hated the player Dan Uggla (not the person) since he played for YOUR favorite team. Now you are now a Braves fan and you hate him.
Why not give it a rest?
Fish Bisch
June 30th, 2011
2:19 pm
Chicks dig Ryan Klesko.
MikeInFl
June 30th, 2011
2:20 pm
It’s the longest “I told you so” in the history of “I told you so’s.”
richbrave
June 30th, 2011
2:22 pm
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:01 pm
You mean like UGGLA’s 2B bat?
Uggla is on pace to hit 24 homers. It’s less than we’d like, but not too bad. It’s the rest of his “production” that’s terribly off.
And any way, if that is the precedent, the team traded a bench player and a reliever for him…
CRAP!
And I thought we were discussing 30 HR’s. 24 is not 30, not by a long shot [20% if my math's correct]. Not that HR’s is all a great hitter brings to the table. OBP counts as much in my opinion – what’s UGGLA’s. We wouldn’t be wrangling about this business if DANO was as billed.
Forget buying power. We need it within our own org. And man, have the BRAVES been beating the bushes looking for a SS and OF to nurture. Draftees, FA’s, guys from Independent Leagues, discards from other teams, players in the system from SPAIN, CENTRAL and SOUTH AMERICA, TAIWAN, all over the world. We need to catch a break like O’FLAHERTY except with a bat in his hands, and wings on his shoes.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:23 pm
A team will sign Reyes to a long-term contract worth well over $100 million, and that team will not be the Braves. Of that I am quite confidence.
Quite confidence indeed.
I too doubt Reyes would get signed by the Braves. But that still doesn’t change my opinion that it’d be a bad move to deal for him this year. My point was, if that player is someone the team really wants, wait and figure out how to sign him when it doesn’t require giving away the farm plus a contract. That’s just a bad move. Not very Braves like either. They didn’t do that with Teixeira. Didn’t do that with Drew either. All those guys had 1 or more years with the team, not 2 months.
Ease®
June 30th, 2011
2:23 pm
In other news…HAMELS just took an A-Gon liner off his hand. left the game to have it x-rayed.
richbrave
June 30th, 2011
2:24 pm
David O’Brien
June 30th, 2011
2:14 pm
I’d love to have a player as dynamic as Reyes on the team this year… but dealing with in the division for a rental… might as well wait until the off-season and just sign him. All it’d cost then is a draft pick… maybe. I guess even that could change with the new CBA — TennesseePaul
A team will sign Reyes to a long-term contract worth well over $100 million, and that team will not be the Braves. Of that I am quite confidence.
AMEN!
MikeInFl
June 30th, 2011
2:26 pm
HAMELS just took an A-Gon liner off his hand. left the game to have it x-rayed.
I’m officially sorry to hear that.
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2011
2:26 pm
Fox Sports Midseason report card:
A+: Brian McCann, NL East Has Brian McCann been the best player in the National League this season? One can make the case. McCann has done nothing but produce since he arrived in the majors, and in 2011 he’s crafting his finest season. At present, McCann, an underrated defensive catcher, is hitting .317 AVG/.391 OBP/.533 SLG. Given Joe Mauer’s issues in Minnesota, McCann has emerged as the top catcher in baseball, and he just mind wind up as the NL MVP.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/lists/MLB-midseason-grades-organizations-teams-players-063011#photo-title=A+:%20Brian%20McCann,%20NL%20East&photo=29946594
Finally Mac getting some national love!
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:27 pm
what’s UGGLA’s
Never a perennial OBP leader is what.
CrαZy
June 30th, 2011
2:28 pm
I would have to be blown away by a trade offer to let Jair go with 2 years left before he’s a FA. It would have to be a hell of a lot more than a 1 and done player thats for sure.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
June 30th, 2011
2:29 pm
cabravesfan—
RC
June 30th, 2011
2:30 pm
TennesseePaul,
While I don’t disagree that it is often better to wait and sign a guy as a free agent instead of giving up prospects, I view the Reyes case differently. I would ONLY want the Braves to acquire him for this year…no need to get on the hook for a contract that there is no way we’d live up to. However, this team has a very real chance at making a World Series, and the addition of a dynamic player like Reyes could be exactly what is needed to put the team there. While the risk of injury is there, you basically are only counting on 4 months of health. After that, pick up the draft pick for him and send him on his merry way.
The cost of acquring him is the only thing that seems prohibitive in my view. It’s unlikely that he could be acquired for a group of 2nd tier prospects, and trading top-tier guys for a player you intend on renting isn’t good policy.
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2011
2:31 pm
McFann-
Thought you might like that
CrαZy
June 30th, 2011
2:32 pm
Ease….Oh……no I sure hope it’s not broke!!!!!
RC
June 30th, 2011
2:33 pm
Gotta love the Fox sensationalism. That “midseason report card” linked to above hands out 3 grades: A+, C, and F-. Although I guess we should be lucky we got a few C’s in there.
6-4-3
June 30th, 2011
2:33 pm
I like Ludwick as a trade candidate. This team needs offense. It’s not a perfect fit in the field but a nice power bat from the right hand side that helps the offense.
You make the positions work. Play Heyward some in Center and / or move Prado to Third to give Chipper more days off to get Ludwick at-bats. There is some flexibity there, although I admit it’s not ideal. But offensively it’s a pretty nice upgrade.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
2:33 pm
HAMELS just took an A-Gon liner off his hand. left the game to have it x-rayed.
good thing for hamels is it hit the glove hand. still dont want it broken, but much better than hitting the pitching hand.
Snotboogie
June 30th, 2011
2:34 pm
In other news…HAMELS just took an A-Gon liner off his hand. left the game to have it x-rayed.
I hope they didnt already laser-scribe the trophy for best rotation ever with half the season still remaining.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
June 30th, 2011
2:37 pm
cabravesfan—
♥
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2011
2:37 pm
trading top-tier guys for a player you intend on renting isn’t good policy
Exactly.
Bat Masterson
June 30th, 2011
2:37 pm
I don’t know what we would do with out Early Lou here to point out Uggla is not hitting well, but I would not mind finding out.