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N8
June 30th, 2011
12:38 pm
Fargo, the houses that got swept away were north of town. Fox Island is pretty much under water, but most of those homes are inland from the river a bit more, so the current isn’t so bad there. The cabin that washed away was south of Fort Lincoln on the Mandan side I believe.
Totally agree about building on the river. I’ve got a buddy that I used to play in a band with that just finished building this past winter on one of the bay area properties and his house is pretty much done. Sad. But at the same time, you couldn’t pay me enough money to invest all of my money in riverfront property.
But that’s the difference between Bismarck and Minot. Most of the damage done here is to people’s homes, and most of it is people that have enough income to “survive” the flood and move on.
Minot’s in a world of hurt because so many jobs will be lost due to businesses being under water, along with home being destroyed. I think it will be years before they recover as a community. If the Air Force base wasn’t there they’d be in big trouble.
My wife works with an older lady who has lived on the river for years and her husband is close to retiring. They invested ALL of their money into their property with the thought of selling it and retiring off of the money they made from that property. Now it’s pretty much gone and flood insurance will only cover so much of it.
Probably not the smartest decision in the world, but I’m sure they’re not the only ones. Just really sad when you think about it. Thankfully, everybody had enough warning and there really hasn’t been any major injuries or deaths that came along with it. Just a ton of property damage.
But the community in general is suffering a tad. The McQuade’s softball tournament which literally generates millions of dollars each year with all those out of state teams traveling here, was cut in half due to half of the fields being unusable. So it’s hurting everybody to an extent. My business will suffer a tad if any of the fall sports programs are cancelled, but at least I still have my home (so long as I can make the payments. LOL).
We’ll be coming down to Fargo in a couple of weeks for my son’s state baseball tournament. It will be nice to get the hell out of town for a while.
ncscoots
June 30th, 2011
12:38 pm
If I were Wren and I were offered that deal I would do it but only if I could get Kemp signed to an extension. And not an Uggla extension… maybe a 3 year deal with a team option.
Kemp’s agent would knee-cap him before letting him sign a 3-year extension. That would take his first two years of free agency, and he would probably want more years out than that. I would, too, frankly, given the year he’s having.
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2011
12:38 pm
More Kemp talk? *sigh…
ncscoots
June 30th, 2011
12:40 pm
Kemp, completely unavailable, is still more interesting to talk about than all the other names thrown out here. Besides, the unattainable is always the most attractive.
Afan
June 30th, 2011
12:41 pm
I dont see the Dodgers making any deals until ownership is settled.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
12:42 pm
murph Keep in mind that Kemp is a FA after this season
this season and one more, i think.
Soph
June 30th, 2011
12:43 pm
More Kemp talk? *sigh…
Just copy and paste, cab. Copy & paste.
Ease®
June 30th, 2011
12:43 pm
cab, actually its less about Kemp and more about ascertaining JJJ’s value.
N8
June 30th, 2011
12:43 pm
“Keep in mind that Kemp is a FA after this season while JJ would be under team control for 2 more years…” Murph
Totally agree. Which is why I stated that either Wren would need to be allowed to work out an extention with a guy like Kemp (or somebody in a similar situation as him), OR get one helluva prospect in the trade as well if he trades JJJ for a rental.
But I suspect if Wren makes a move for a rental, it’s going to be with a chip like Delgado, Vizcaino, Medlen or even Minor.
So hard to say at this point.
But my point with Kemp was that for simply the results of 2011 and what we need right now (with what we have to “replace” Jurrjens), this team might be better off with Kemp instead of Jurrjens.
I know each season and pending results and impact are different, so comparing one season to another might be silly, but… look no further than 1993.
We had FANTASTIC pitching and were struggling to score runs and provide protection for Gant and Justice. Enter Fred McGriff and BAM. The results speak for themselves.
Of course, JS didn’t have to trade the ace of the staff to make that move. So the pitching remained as is and a bat was added. Which is why if Wren wants to add a bat without impacting the current rotation, he’ll probably have to trade a prospect instead.
But thankfully we have many options.
Shaun
June 30th, 2011
12:44 pm
One can criticize Fredi all one wants but looks like he’s going to manage in MLB for reasonable number of years. If you feel he shouldn’t be able to do that, get on with the usual drivel about how the so-called baseball people – the GMs and other old fogeys that run MLB don’t understand baseball anywhere as well as you do.
I didn’t always agree with Bobby’s decisions and same is true with Fredi, including the decision to bring in Venters yesterday. But I am pretty sure Fredi understands basics of baseball management enough or he wouldn’t have gotten his current job.
Cricket, lots of GM’s and front office personnel understand baseball better than anyone, including managers, coaches, players and fans. I think there are a lot of teams that wouldn’t hire Fredi Gonzalez to be there manager.
MikeInFl
June 30th, 2011
12:44 pm
Murph, why would Kemp sign a 3 year deal when he’s probably in line for more like 8 years/$150 million?
jeffrey d
June 30th, 2011
12:45 pm
Don’t worry CAB. We’ll all be raving over Adam Jones tomorrow.
jeff
June 30th, 2011
12:45 pm
now i just saw a note on mlb traderumors and just had to say this. If Frank Wren and this Braves ownership even think of trading Jair Jurrjens at the deadline or even after the season or not resigning him. WOW what a huge mistake and Wren should be Fired. hes one of a few pitchers in MLB with 10 wins .. unreall..
DAP
June 30th, 2011
12:46 pm
wren needs to talk the orioles into leaving jj hardy behind when they leave atlanta. hardy is having a great year, and has always been a solid player. bulking up that SS position would really help the offense.
Joshua
June 30th, 2011
12:46 pm
The only way I would trade Jurrjens is if we get Kemp and a legit leadoff guy. The Braves could possibly get the Dodgers to throw Furcal in the trade, which would give us a bit of an upgrade over Alex.
Then again, I kinda doubt this trade would ever happen.
David O'Brien
June 30th, 2011
12:48 pm
I dont see the Dodgers making any deals until ownership is settled. — Afan
Agreed. At least not any huge deals, i.e. Kemp.
Shaun
June 30th, 2011
12:48 pm
By the way, DOB Tweeted this after the game: “#Braves’ Fredi G. said they must do better job managing Venters’ use, that he’ll rest at least a couple of days (sounds like could be a few days)”
That’s for all those who think Venters will be ready Friday because the Braves have an off day today.
K.C. Frenchy
June 30th, 2011
12:49 pm
jeffrey, I’m making 2.5 this year, how much YOU making? Thats what I thought dummy, so stfu you liitle terd, I’m raking & not for the Bravos you hater, get a life you pitiful little wannabe!!!!!!
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2011
12:50 pm
Don’t worry CAB. We’ll all be raving over Adam Jones tomorrow.
Thank god I won’t be around…
The Braves could possibly get the Dodgers to throw Furcal in the trade, which would give us a bit of an upgrade over Alex.
Except that Furcal is still on the DL and Alex is healthy. And why on earth would the dodgers trade BOTH Kemp and Furcal for JJ? They wouldn’t trade Kemp straight up for him…
Carroll Rogers
June 30th, 2011
12:51 pm
This is Buster’s exact wording….
Braves: Their evaluators are checking around for available bats, and the Braves are loaded with young pitching to deal.
Some rival executives have wondered if that pitching depth would allow Atlanta to consider a very bold move with a pitcher whose stock has reached its zenith — Jair Jurrjens, who is 10-3 with a 2.07 ERA and a midseason candidate for the Cy Young Award. If the Braves actually dangled Jurrjens in the market, they could put themselves in position to get an impact offensive position player in return.
Just to reiterate: All the discussion among rival evaluators about Jurrjens is pure speculation.
(So he uses “wondered” and “would allow” and “them to consider” and then reiterates that discussion about Jurrjens is speculation….This would be a total about-face from anything I’ve seen the Braves ever do. He’s been their best pitcher. People may wonder, but it would surprise me if the Braves came close to doing something like this, especially in the middle of the season. Lowe and Hudson have taken some lumps. Hanson has had some shoulder issues. Beachy missed more than a month. Medlen isn’t ready now. Don’t know that Teheran is ready to be handed a job just yet. Minor is your best option and he’s had some ups and downs.)
Soph
June 30th, 2011
12:53 pm
Aw, I don’t think Jeffy likes jeffrey.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
12:53 pm
shaun he’ll rest at least a couple of days
if it turns out to be “a couple of days” then he will be ready friday night. besides, i dont think anyone would argue that venters COULD pitch friday night, even if they decide they wont use him.
i guess all we can hope for is for fredi to hunt for days off for venters for the second half. i think he will do that. it does bother me that it seems to have suddenly dawned on the braves coaches that they might be over using venters, but lets hope that they rectify it from here on out.
MikeInFl
June 30th, 2011
12:53 pm
Lowe and Hudson have taken some lumps. Hanson has had some shoulder issues. Beachy missed more than a month. Medlen isn’t ready now. Don’t know that Teheran is ready to be handed a job just yet. Minor is your best option and he’s had some ups and downs.
Geez, maybe we should package Freeman and Prado for some starting pitching, LOL.
Thanks for the clarification on the rumors, Carroll.
George
June 30th, 2011
12:54 pm
Repost from bottom of last page. this is really me making repost.
see the name stealer is back again working on Lew, so I am outta here so y’ll will know posts from this point on are not from me. Wish we could get rid of this person.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
12:56 pm
george….if you were out of here at the bottom of the last page, how come you are re-posting? im confused.
Murph
June 30th, 2011
12:58 pm
I’m against long contracts, no matter who the player is. I know 3 years with an option wouldn’t get it done for Kemp, but since we’re playing the part of the hypothetical GM I gave the contract offer that I would find acceptable. Since I’m the pretend GM and all.
Uggla’s contract has yet to play out, but I’m not a big fan of it so far.
FW
June 30th, 2011
12:58 pm
Dodgers just called & offered Kemp & Eithier for JJ & Heyward, wtf should I do? Hmmmmmmmmmm……………. I dont know about this one, maybe I will call Bobby & ask him, cause I dont want to screw it up & lose my job!
George
June 30th, 2011
12:58 pm
When you are at the bottom of a page no one reads your posts.
RC
June 30th, 2011
12:58 pm
Looks like the fake Lew post is already gone, and I’m hoping the author of it is too. Nice job on the quick catch to whoever on the AJC side took care of that.
Ease®
June 30th, 2011
1:00 pm
Which is just how we like them.
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
1:00 pm
I dont see a problem with dangling Jurrjens out there and seeing the kind of offers we get. A team may love him and offer something we cant refuse. But he’ll stay put. If we do make a trade Mike Minor will most likely be involved.
jeff
June 30th, 2011
1:00 pm
My name is Frenchy and I play for the bad Kansas City Royals oh wait the last place K.C Royals… and I still hit like a girl….
Shaun
June 30th, 2011
1:01 pm
I think the best player the Braves might get is someone like Michael Bourn, simply because they could probably get him without giving up any of their top young pitchers. The Astros could just be looking to sell to get something while Bourn’s value is at it’s probable highest. Bourn is under contract through next season, so the remaining number of years on his contract are just enough to be appealing, at this age. They can just let him walk at the appropriate time.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:01 pm
Would be very, very out of character for the Braves to trade JJ during the season. However, if his charmed season continues, I would not be suprised at all to see him dealt in the upcoming offseason.
No matter what happens, he’s been a steal for the Braves who got him for one-year of a $7 million Edgar Renteria. Yikes.
jeffrey d
June 30th, 2011
1:02 pm
Ha! Sorry to upset you Frenchy.
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
1:03 pm
Yeah Mike Cameron, Franklin and other known names have been DFA’d but for the league min I dont see a problem giving them a shot. If the Braves fell any of these types could help or be a slight upgrade they might kick the tires.
N8
June 30th, 2011
1:03 pm
“WOW what a huge mistake and Wren should be Fired. hes one of a few pitchers in MLB with 10 wins .. unreall..” Jeff
So if Wren trades JJJ and the player coming the other way helps the Braves win the WS, would you then cast your vote for exectutive of the year for Wren? Just curious.
Not saying it’s a lock to happen that way.
The Braves have a team ERA of 3.07 as is.
If you take out JJJ’s stats, the ERA is 3.21.
Now, I realize that if you replace JJJ’s stats with a pro-rated version of what Minor, Delgado and Teheran have provided (the likely replacements), that 3.21 ERA might climb a bit. But it’s not like we’d all of the sudden fall of the face of the ERA world with those guys stepping in.
At some point the impact on a putrid offense of another big piece EVERY day would counter the loss of Jurrjens to the rotation.
All five spots of our rotation have struggled in receiving run support. I’d take our chances with a rocking offense and one “weaker” spot in the rotation, than going with what we’ve got and “hoping” that the offense gets healthy.
I think we win the wild card either way. The rest of the pitching staff is that good. With or without JJJ.
Take Lowe for example. He’s made 18 starts, 4.16 ERA, he is 4-6 in his starts and the team is 10-8 in his starts.
He’s certainly pitched good enough for the team to be 12-6 in those starts (as are the other starters), with any run support whatsoever.
Everybody keeps talking about how “good” we’ll be when Uggla and Heyward start hitting. Wouldn’t adding another big bat to the lineup instantly solve some of that problem? THEN if Heyward and Uggla start hitting too, all the better.
So many ways Wren could go. But ultimately, it’s a testament to our pitching that we’re on pace with last year’s squad with the black hole that our offense has been.
I also expect a monster 2nd half from Freeman. He’s done that every step of the way in his minor league career and is on pace to do just that this year. That will make a difference too.
Either way, this conversation is much more fun and relaxed knowing that we’re leading the WC race by 3 games and still wondering how to “fix” things and make our team better, rather than speculating on what Wren needs to do to save the season and catch the WC leader.
Either way, I think we’ll be fine and make the playoffs if no other major injuries derail this team. But I still think we’re a tad short of what we need to win in October.
Murph
June 30th, 2011
1:04 pm
I think Minor would be excellent trade bait if packaged with another player like Delgado or Vizcaino.
Again, playing the pretend GM, Minor is the guy that doesn’t seem to fit with the Braves’ long term plans. I don’t see him as being anything other than a 4th or 5th starter for the Braves, although he could be a top 3 guy in other rotations.
jeffrey d
June 30th, 2011
1:05 pm
And after I stuck up for you when everyone else hated you too. tsk
Whoop
June 30th, 2011
1:05 pm
“However, if his charmed season continues, I would not be suprised at all to see him dealt in the upcoming offseason.”
If it does continue, I think it’s far more likely that the Braves lock him up for a few more years.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:06 pm
I agree that the most likely trade candidate for the Braves is Bourn, and I think the best factor in whether or not they make that move is how the team feels Jordan Schafer is adapting to the majors. If they really think that Jordan has figured it out, then there is very little reason they would give up valuable prospects for a marginal (in their view) upgrade to Bourn. However, if the organization thinks that Schafer doesn’t have what it takes to be the leadoff man for a WS contender (this year, not that he couldn’t develop it), then I would not be suprised to see a player like Minor or Delgado sent to Houston to bring in Bourn, with maybe a lessor prospect coming to Atlanta in the deal as well (or Jeff Keppinger, who would be a perfect 25th man for the Braves).
The Lemmer
June 30th, 2011
1:06 pm
I knew this was coming BEFORE the season started & hoped JJ would have a big 1st half for this exact reason, Lowe is the only other starter we would trade but he has not had a good 1st half & no one wants his salary, If we can get a impact player to a long term deal, do it & give them McOut also as a early Xmas present!
TexasBrave
June 30th, 2011
1:06 pm
VaBravesFan the Braves will not trade Minor because he is the only lefty near ready in their system and they would love to have a lefty in the rotation in the coming years. If a trade does occur it will most likely involve Beachy or Medlin. Although for the record I am against trading either one.
Patrick
June 30th, 2011
1:08 pm
I don’t see the Braves trading JJ.
I’d would however, trade Minor in a package to get Pence. Pence would be my ideal pick to get at the deadline.
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
1:08 pm
RC
I think Jurrjens and Lowe will be rumored to trades during the offseason. If the Braves dont trade any pitching during the season, someone will be dealt. There not gonna keep Mike Minor in AAA again and go with this same rotation in 2012. Teheran will most likely be ready by mid 2012 to contribute alot. I believe Teheran and Minor are replacements eventually. I really hope we could trade Lowe in the offseason. Will have to eat around 3-5 mil of his contract maybe more if were getting a decent return. Could be less if were not asking for much except for salary relief.
Murph
June 30th, 2011
1:08 pm
N8, I hear what you’re saying, but I’d be very worried about the big bat acquired would do what so many other recent acquisitions have done and fall flat on his face. Uggla and Nate… great before putting on a Braves uni, horrible after. Coincidence, sure, but still enough to leave me afraid to pull the trigger on any trade that weakens the rotation for a big bat.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
1:10 pm
george, When you are at the bottom of a page no one reads your posts.
but i thought you were “outta here”. yet, here you are.
Nova Scotia Steve
June 30th, 2011
1:11 pm
Mike Cameron DFA.
Just putting it out there….
Fish Bisch
June 30th, 2011
1:11 pm
I don’t think we need to dangle Every 5th Day Jurjjens out on the trade market. We have no one available that would replace him. Unless we convert Every Other Day Johnny to a starter.
N8
June 30th, 2011
1:11 pm
Trading Beachy over Minor would be a mistake.
For the short term, trading one of them or a minor league guy would be the best option to win this year.
For the long-term, I see both Minor and Beachy having an impact on this rotation for a few years.
It really comes down to how patient Wren is for short term success or long-term succes. I think both can be had if he’s smart about it.
But if he can lock up JJJ and Hanson and buy out some of their arbitration years (tough task with Boras as their agent), and simply wait for Lowe, Hudson and Chipper to come of the books, the thought of a 2013 rotation with Hanson, Jurrjens, Teheran, Minor and Beachy is pretty outstanding and likely not too expensive until we hit about 2015 or so.
Which still leaves, Delgado, Medlen and Vizcaino as trade bait for short term help.
Wren is in good shape, if like I said, he plays it right.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:11 pm
“However, if his charmed season continues, I would not be suprised at all to see him dealt in the upcoming offseason.”
If it does continue, I think it’s far more likely that the Braves lock him up for a few more years.
Totally disagree. JJ is a Boras client, so there is almost no way he’s going to sign a long-term deal just a couple of years before free agency after finishing in the running for the Cy Young (which he will if his numbers hold for the rest of the year). While the Braves are not the most sabermetrically inclined organization, they are very good at valuing their own players appropriately, and would likely realize that they’d never be able to get more for JJ than they could this offseason. They also have never had the depth to be able to trade a starter like they will this offseason, with Beachy, Minor, Teheran, and Delgado all having an additional season under their belts, not to mention the return of Medlen. I don’t see any way they don’t trade at least one pitcher in the offseason, and I think the return they could receive on Jurrjens is going to outweigh the cash they could save on the last year of Lowe’s contract.
K.C. Frenchy
June 30th, 2011
1:12 pm
Like I said, little terd get a life, btw, how much you making again?? I’m in the pros, what do you do for your miserable little life??? Id say playing in KC is probably better than what youre doing lol!!!! jeff@1:00= if you think I hit like a girl, please tell me that in person so I can show you what a girl hits like P!!!!
Nova Scotia Steve
June 30th, 2011
1:12 pm
I think the thing about Cameron is he needs to play regularly and the PT role he had with Boston just wasn’t going to be enough to ever get him going right.
He’s got horrible numbers but I think his playing time is a major factor in those numbers.
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2011
1:14 pm
Mike Cameron is 38 and hitting .149 with a .477 OPS Pass.
Ease®
June 30th, 2011
1:14 pm
if you think I hit like a girl, please tell me that in person so I can show you what a girl hits like P!!!!
Murph, insert the 3 year old here…
N8
June 30th, 2011
1:15 pm
Murph, I agree. It worries me too.
In reality, I think Minor is the most practical option to trade now to get a reasonable piece to the puzzle. He’s not going to be our ace anytime soon. Probably won’t have a huge impact on this season for us (barring injury to a starter), and would probably get more in a trade than Delgado or Vizcaino because he’s closer to being ready to pitch in somebody’s rotation right now.
Just seems like the obvious choice to be traded. But that LH part is what makes it interesting. With Glavine in the organiztion still, he has the PERFECT mentor to help along his career with some special instructing in spring training and a guy he likely can chat with whenever he feels like doing so. If Minor is in the long-term plans of the Braves, I’m not so sure that I wouldn’t make Glavine’s job description revolve around taking that kid under his wing and constantly being available for him to talk with.
Braves2011
June 30th, 2011
1:15 pm
Do the Braves want to take a flier on Mike Cameron?
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2011
1:15 pm
and where would he play once Marteen comes back??
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:15 pm
I think the thing about Cameron is he needs to play regularly and the PT role he had with Boston just wasn’t going to be enough to ever get him going right.
He’s got horrible numbers but I think his playing time is a major factor in those numbers.
He’s also old. I’m not saying he wasn’t a good player…I’d have loved to have him 2 years ago. But he’s at an age where most players are either preparing to walk away from the game, or being forced out of it. It looks like he might be one of the ones who is forced out of it.
N8
June 30th, 2011
1:16 pm
Great post at 1:11 RC.
Fast Eddie Perez
June 30th, 2011
1:16 pm
Next year rotation: Hanson, Huddy, Beachy, Tehran, & Minor/ Medlen. Trade JJ & Lowe & get some bats in here, cant win if you cant score!
Whoop
June 30th, 2011
1:17 pm
“I don’t see any way they don’t trade at least one pitcher in the offseason”
I agree, but I’d put a wager on it not being Jurrjens. Unless you’re the Pirates, Padres, or the Royals, you just don’t do things like that. If JJ being a Boras client is a problem, then they need to go ahead and trade Hanson too.
Nova Scotia Steve
June 30th, 2011
1:17 pm
You have to give to get – that doesn’t mean I want to see Jurrjens traded or anything. I don’t want anything of the sort.
BUT if the Braves want to upgrade their offense and can add pay-roll for an offensive impact bat – then they are going to have to give up some pitching along with some major league talent.
We have this debate every year – but IF Uggla becomes more consistent, Prado comes back healthy, Gonzo gets going and McLouth can be at least a .250 hitter we’d be alright. Assuming Heyward heats up and McCann continues to play well.
Just seems like a whole crap load of IF’s, when’s and what if’s – I think we need to make move to upgrade offense.
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
1:18 pm
Mike Minor would be the Astros 3rd best starting pitcher right now.. Just sayin. We can trade Minor and still have a rotation of
Hanson
Jurrjens
Hudson
Lowe
Beachy
with Medlen as our fallback, and Teheran fully ready by mid 2012
Fish Bisch
June 30th, 2011
1:18 pm
Trade Hanson for Mike Cameron & Milton Bradley
Veer
June 30th, 2011
1:19 pm
If the Red Sox get swept today then they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs at all.
They could help the Braves but come on sweep? That would be pathetic.
Had the Phillies been playing the Yankees then I bet Yankees would have taken 2/3.
I will lose total respect for the Redsox nation if they get swept by the hands of Phillies today
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
1:19 pm
Hanson is under team control til 2016.
Nova Scotia Steve
June 30th, 2011
1:19 pm
RE: Mike Cameron
“He’s got horrible numbers” – Sooooo I guess that means he’d fit in perfectly with the Braves…right???
MikeInFl
June 30th, 2011
1:20 pm
Braves need a RH bat, if they’re addressing this season (which I assume they would be in a midseason trade).
Bourn doesn’t offer too much more than what we have against LHP. Not enough to make a difference. (I wouldn’t mind having him long as we don’t give up much).
Our offense is actually above average against righties. We need help against lefties if we’re gonna improve the offense.
K.C. Frenchy
June 30th, 2011
1:20 pm
Ease on over so I can slap you too donkey, you haters cant stand it, like I said, 47 rbi ties McCann, Im having a good year, so DEAL with it! Me & Melky oh yeah RAKING!!!!!!!!
CB
June 30th, 2011
1:20 pm
DAP,do we want to take a flier on Mike Cameron?
O.J.
June 30th, 2011
1:21 pm
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO ON CAMERON!!!!!!
Ease®
June 30th, 2011
1:22 pm
Frenchy sounds a tad bitter.
Veer
June 30th, 2011
1:22 pm
Schafer and Delgado for Bourn would it
Minor for Bourn would do it as well.
I think that is a good match but Bourn will suck next year so no point in getting him.
Lets give Contazana who is hitting almost .350 a shot.
Even if he hits 100 points lover in the MLB level then we will still be good.
Our need for help is Bullpen.
Adams from the Padres is a possiblity.
Schafer for Adams
Minor for Bourn.
Nova Scotia Steve
June 30th, 2011
1:22 pm
Sounds like O.J. might want a flier on Cameron.
CrαZy
June 30th, 2011
1:23 pm
cant win if you cant score!
47 wins 3rd best record in baseball. We freaking blow!!!!!!!
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:24 pm
I agree, but I’d put a wager on it not being Jurrjens. Unless you’re the Pirates, Padres, or the Royals, you just don’t do things like that. If JJ being a Boras client is a problem, then they need to go ahead and trade Hanson too.
JJ being a Boras client isn’t the problem, it’s JJ being a Boras client and coming off of an incredibly lucky season that will cause him to valued at a much higher price than he is likely to provide in the future. I’m not saying you trade him for nothing….ideally you are able to trade JJ while his value is at it’s peak, and get a really good hitter for him, or a couple of high-end prospects that are less than a year or two away. It’s not about being cheap….it’s about trading an overvalued asset in an area you don’t need help for an undervalued asset in an area you do need help.
Fish Bisch
June 30th, 2011
1:24 pm
the 2011 braves have bucked the notion that you can’t win if you can’t score. We have the 3rd best record as CrazY points out.
Murph
June 30th, 2011
1:24 pm
Are there any decent offensive players coming into FA next season that the Braves could make a run at this offseason? Kemp, Reyes, etc.
Trade Lowe and you free up enough money to possibly fill a need via FA rather than trade during the offseason while keeping all prospects intact. Nate/KK coming off the books + Lowe’s salary = enough cash for one darn good player. Even a low level prospect would be worth making the move for given the salary relief.
Take one more season of JJ and trade him before he hits FA and becomes too expensive to keep.
Nova Scotia Steve
June 30th, 2011
1:24 pm
The best description I’ve read about the 2011 Braves is they are the most frustrating winning team I’ve ever watched.
I agree. LOL
But at least they are winning – however in the hell its happening.
flange1
June 30th, 2011
1:25 pm
I would sign Mike Cameron and Ryan Franklin to minor league deals and see if they can get their stuff together.
Not interested in major league deals.
And the trade for Matt Kemp is not going to happen. We missed that trade a couple of years back. His monster year this year will either get him a LONG Dodger contract (if they can resolve ownership issues) or a HUGE FA contract that will dwarf what Jose Reyes will get next year.
Nova Scotia Steve
June 30th, 2011
1:25 pm
I guess it just goes to show how ridiculously stellar our pitching has been this season.
DAP
June 30th, 2011
1:26 pm
CB DAP,do we want to take a flier on Mike Cameron?
haha…i deserve that. but no! no mike cameron, though he has had a very good career, is finished, i believe. i started campaigning for cameron to the braves after 2007, and felt vindicated when he had a very good 2008 and 2009…(could have carried us to the playoffs in 09) but once he got hurt in boston, it was over for him.
VaBravesFan
June 30th, 2011
1:26 pm
I would do a Michael Bourn for Mike Minor trade. Makes sense for both ballclubs.
Shaun
June 30th, 2011
1:26 pm
RC, I think it’s quite possible the Braves could get Bourn without giving up Minor or Delgado and the like.
Arkansas Transplant
June 30th, 2011
1:27 pm
No Cameraon, No Kemp and No trade JJ!!!
Trade Lowe and do it now after he had a good game don’t wait until he falls apart again and then try to move him.
David O'Brien
June 30th, 2011
1:27 pm
Cameron was 3-for-39 with 2BB, 13 strikeouts in last 16 games with Red Sox.
In past 2 seasons he’s hit .219/.285/.352 w/ 7 HR, 69 K in 256 ABs … and ZERO stolen bases. (I only point out the steals to underscore fact he’s not remotely the player he was a few years ago when a lot of us though the LaGrange, Ga., native would’ve been a good fit for Braves).
Whoop
June 30th, 2011
1:29 pm
Lucky? What Jurrjens is doing isn’t coming out of nowhere, he has done it before.
Ease®
June 30th, 2011
1:29 pm
And the trade for Matt Kemp is not going to happen
TexasBrave
June 30th, 2011
1:29 pm
I know this has been talked about before, but what move do you make once Prado is ready to come off the DL? Bench Mclouth or send Schafer packing to AAA? I know most people here would bench Nate but I can’t see Fredi benching a million dollar man in favor of a rookie especially when Nate has a higher Avg. and OBP.
Another option I think someone already mention is to DL Chipper and let him have surgery on his knee. He has looked pretty miserable at the plate lately and could use the time to heal and return fresh for the remainder of the season. We would have him back in 3 to 4 weeks and by then hopefully one of Nate or Jordan would be the clear cut choice to leave in CF.
Afan
June 30th, 2011
1:30 pm
If we deal for Bourn then mclouth or shaffer will have to go. So which one?
Arkansas Transplant
June 30th, 2011
1:30 pm
Micheal Bourn is not worth a Minor trade. Maybe a combination of Hoover and Redmond possibly with an addition of Schafer in the trade. Although I’d rather hang onto Schafer and move Mclouth.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:30 pm
Murph,
The only problem with cash coming off the books is that the Braves have a ton of players who are going to be arb-eligible, meaning that most of that case is already spoken for with raises to Prado, Jurrjens, O’Flaherty, McCann (contract raise), Uggla (contract raise), and possibly Hanson (unsure if he’s Super-2 or not yet). Jurrjens will easily top $5 million in arb, and possibly as much as $6 or $7 million. Considering that he’s unlikely to repeat his numbers from this season, and that the best the team will get for Lowe is one year of salary relief, my bet is that Jurrjens is the piece moved in the offseason (as I’ve stated more than most care to read).
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:31 pm
If we deal for Bourn then mclouth or shaffer will have to go. So which one?
Schafer goes to AAA to continue playing everyday, and is on the major league team next year when McLouth is gone.
Whoop
June 30th, 2011
1:31 pm
The Braves would regret trading Jurrjens.
UNCBrave
June 30th, 2011
1:32 pm
Why in the Heck would the Braves consider trading their best pitcher in Jurrjens?? MLBTradeRumors says it as well….
Is Jurrjens up for FA? If so, the BRAVES need to lock he and Hanson up to llong term contracts ASAP before FA
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:32 pm
meaning that most of that case is already spoken for with raises
That should have been “cash” instead of “case”.
Whoop
June 30th, 2011
1:33 pm
“Considering that he’s unlikely to repeat his numbers from this season”
People said the same thing in ‘09 and yet, here he is, even better
CrαZy
June 30th, 2011
1:33 pm
I think any deal that got us a CF would have to include Schafer and a pitcher. No one wants McLouth.
RC
June 30th, 2011
1:34 pm
The Braves would regret trading Jurrjens.
Last year everyone was saying the Braves would regret trading Vazquez. If JJ brings back a 30-HR a year right-handed corner OF bat, would the Braves regret it then?