3:58 pm June 26, 2011, by David O'Brien
June 27th, 201112:30 am
So Jake, you think he’ll move Nate back to center? I think that he goes with Schafer until he tanks. If he knows Schafer is going down, why play him there now rather than McLouth?
June 27th, 201112:32 am
I’m not a believer in a manager making all that much difference -en compared to most other managers-, so I’ve never really been all that vocal about it and likely won’t change my approach to blaming him for our troubles, but I still think that he and Larry brought a difference emphasis to the club which is at least partly responsible for some of the offensive hiccups, but I admit that is speculation and not gospel
June 27th, 201112:33 am
nite tiger, build up that core…
The A Bomb
June 27th, 201112:34 am
Dog gone…..Infante RBI double after a 12-pitch at bat…..
FLORIDA 1 SEATTLE 1 BOT 8
We miss him big time.
Nate is almost 100 OPS higher right now Woody, though that could change at any minute as inconsistent as they both have been
June 27th, 201112:36 am
I think he’s giving Jordan every opportunity to succeed since he is the more prototypical leadoff hitter but his average and obp just are not pretty. It doesn’t become quite as glaring if others were stepping up offensively. With our struggles his numbers just don’t warrant him staying in the lineup over Nate. If they choose Nate over Jordan i don’t think they keep him as a backup because they want him to get the at bats so they send him down. That’s just my feeling on the situation and they may feel a completely different way but unless Jordan picks it up with the obp, Nate’s just looks so much more appealing.
Nolee–that said, where do you think a guy like TP fits in the mix? Last year’s reporting made it pretty clear Terry had an “approach.” Wonder how much the players talk to him, how much advice he dispenses these days.
June 27th, 201112:38 am
miss Infante? if so only because Dan has been so far below his mean. Omar has been pretty lame too this year. He is back being the guy he was b4 Pendleton turned him into a lean mean hitting machine….
June 27th, 201112:40 am
Versaility…..clutch…..righthanded stick…..more contact……no helicopter swing (and a miss)…..All-Star…..
Yeah, I’d say we miss him. And yeah, Uggla could still hit and I’d still say we miss O.
June 27th, 201112:42 am
don’t know Woody, he might be laying quiet cause he does not have the good will built up for decade that he had with Bobby. Either way I don’t want to overstate the amount of influence that I think Terry or Larry , or any other coach, usually has. Their influence begins and ends with the mind set of each individual player.
June 27th, 201112:45 am
he’s hitting .612, I don’t really miss that part at all.
He is versatile I’ll grant you that and with the injuries we could have used him, but I ain’t sittin’ around pinin’ for him.
That prolly does put me in a small minority I imagine.
June 27th, 201112:47 am
I just loved our bench last year….best in MLB since the Dodgers of the mid-1980s…..They were responsible for us making the playoffs….
Hinske, Infante, Diaz, Ross, Conrad.
They were amazing.
June 27th, 201112:49 am
I was looking at Diaz’ stats yesterday, thinking of some way to bring his name up on the blog. Not too many folks feelin’ sentimental about him. The numbers say why.
June 27th, 201112:51 am
I agree with you about last years bench, it was very good and a big part of the success.
June 27th, 201112:54 am
True Blood kicked off season 4 tonight, as did Leverage.
Still waiting for The Closer
June 27th, 201112:56 am
We’re in the middle of TB right now nolee. Treme next.
June 27th, 201112:58 am
Well, at least the Mariners have extra work to do tonight with their ‘pen….
SEATTLE 1 FLORIDA 1 TOP 10
My jury is still out on True Blood. Moments when it tickles me but I’m not invested in it like Treme. Or even Boardwalk Empire.
June 27th, 20111:02 am
I’ve just got Neflix streamed in on my internet. There are thousands of TV shows from the past to pick from in adddition to the movies. I’m watching the very first “LOST” episode and have 99 more after the premier.
June 27th, 20111:04 am
I like all three that you mention, but none are in my top 5 or so I guess.
I was finishing season two of Lie to Me the other night and one of the episodes had four of the actors from The Shield in it. Somebody there musta liked that show, or been involved in it.
One of my all time favorire dramas.
LOST–You can envy our beautiful paradise, key, and the best weather in the US.
June 27th, 20111:06 am
Loved The Wire.
June 27th, 20111:08 am
I just never could get all that involved in Lost. Not that it wasn’t well done, but I am not all that fond of strictly serialized shows.
I like a good bit of background with the cast, but I like some episodic approach in each one too. I think Fringe maintains a decent balance.
Perhaps in part because of my age. Growing up when I did, every show was just about totally episodic.
June 27th, 20111:10 am
yes Woody, The Wire was another all time favorite shows, and I am not all that huge a drama fan so they gotta be darn good to hook me
Lets just sweep seattle. Look all we need to do is get to playoffs because every team is scared of us. Nobody wants to face our pitching and lineup becuz they know we can score 9 runs on any given day. We make playoffs we are dangerous.
June 27th, 20111:13 am
as long as there ain’t too many days that are given I guess.
Basically any team can score 9 on any given day as SD did against our pitching on Friday.
I guess I’m not sold that teams are all that skairdt of us.
June 27th, 20111:18 am
We were dangerous last year because of our unpredictability. We won any number of ways. This year, mostly we shut folks down with pitching. Occasionally, we erupt with some offense. Our defense is pretty steady, compared with last year. There’s little drama this year, to be sure, but I sure do like our chances with this staff. Health, like last year, is a question mark.
June 27th, 20111:23 am
SEATTLE 2 FLORIDA 1 FINAL-10
June 27th, 20111:25 am
too bad the Fish couldn’t hold on for a few more innings
Woodie – I know I could live in Hawaii. I was set to come out to the Big Island in 86 and do the Iron Man but I tore my Achilles Tendon a month before the race. I didn’t make the trip ’cause I knew I’d try if I came out there.
June 27th, 20111:26 am
Sweepless in Seattle? No possible way…and what does anyone think we’re going up there to do? Bravos win series with Uggla making “Seattle’s Best” look like watered down marlin broth. Yepper, no ofer’s for our best….I guarantee!
We were dangerous last year because of our unpredictability. ….Woody
yeah good post
June 27th, 20111:29 am
Monday….. Beachy vs. Bedard…..3-2 Braves
Tuesday…..Hanson vs. Pineda….3-0 Mariners
Wednesday….Lowe vs. Hernandez….7-0 Mariners
We score 3 in the 1st tomorrow and don’t score the rest of the series.
Parrish given a contract extension.
G’nite Woody, g’nite Lou. G’nite ABomb. TTFN.
June 27th, 20111:30 am
I never could get interested in LOST because I missed the first few years. Tonight was the first time I had seen the pilot. There literally are 99 more LOST episodes to watch if I want to.
June 27th, 20111:31 am
Delightfully implausible–like spyder monkees.
Yunel's Frosted Tips
yeah………Jonny V. had a bad day…….he is allowed 2 a season….but this one is still on the awfence…I said last snite when we scored all them runs the well would be dry today. Everytime we do have an outburst seems like we struggle mightely the next day……….Seattle wins tonite
June 27th, 20111:32 am
most folks liked it KL, good chance you will too.but it is definitely a show that you need to enter from the very first episode.
June 27th, 20111:33 am
Same to you nolee. Hopefully I’m wrong about Safeco. But this offense….
June 27th, 20111:34 am
Seattle has a pathethic hitting lineup as well……..may come down to a bonehead play late in the game
June 27th, 20111:35 am
June 27th, 20111:36 am
At least the late starting games will go fast with little or no hitting goin on……. probably be over at 12:30 or so……
June 27th, 20111:37 am
This was one of the games you’re destined to lose. Odds are we would have won if Venters did not instinctively reach out and deflect the grounder. AGon would have had the out easily at first. I think some of the negative sh!ts thought it was an error on AGon because he bobbled the ball but he had no play after Venters deflected it.
June 27th, 20111:39 am
Yeah…….that was just a reaction play on the grounder…….I was more concerned about the laissez -faire attitude on the bunts……..the second guy almost beat his as well
June 27th, 20111:41 am
speaking of bonehead play late in the game…
did anyone see how the M’s Marlins game ended? Wow. Seattle scored their go-ahead run in the top of the 10th on a wild pitch on an intentional walk!! The Marlins’ pitcher just sailed the 3-0 pitch way wide of the catcher, who was standing with his arm out waiting for the final ball on the intentional walk to set up a double play. Ackley broke late from third and probably would have been nailed, but the throw back to the catcher short hopped the pitcher and he couldn’t hold on to make the tag. Crazy way to lose a game…
June 27th, 20111:44 am
Jonny Venters shouldn’t feel too bad…losing today was simply apropos….as “Yunel’s” has elluded, our offense really goes flat immediately after a surge of production and such is the patterned ‘way of life’ which this team unyieldingly follows. I am predicting a turn around in Seattle this next week. The Bravos will actually and incrementally score more on consecutive upcoming games; enjoy!!!
June 27th, 20112:17 am
“Gone Viral—A 3.14 ERA in the Steroid era is a lot more impressive than a 3.07 ERA now.”
It absolutely is, but the reality is that the heavily hyped pitching staffs that comprised the 90s generally floated in the 3.4 range. This Braves staff had been under 3 for a long time prior to Saturday’s fiasco and today’s 8th inning fluke. In terms of top to bottom of the staff, this is THE best Braves pitching compilation I’ve ever seen. Everyone knew our situation during the Holy Trifecta era: get into the Braves bullpen and win the game. That’s the Phillies now. Our bullpen is if anything more devastating than our starters…and we’ve had JJ, Hanson and Beachy all on the DL this year (and Moylan taken out of the bullpen). The fact that we’re at 3.07 given all of these parameters blows me away.
A lof of us are (rightfully) so frustrated by our hitting that we’re not appreciating the mythic performance by our pitching staff in 2011 to date.
June 27th, 20112:21 am
The amazing thing about what happened to Venters today is that when you re-watch the inning, there is only one clear hit in the batch. Walking the leadoff man was his fault; the rest of the inning was half a season worth of luck balancing itself out in half a dozen batters.
This will be one of those “and if we take out that one fluke 8th inning against San Diego” discussions as the season winds down and we marvel at what he has accomplished in 2011.
June 27th, 20112:29 am
Spot on at 2:17 & 2:21 Gone Viral.
June 27th, 20113:13 am
Keylargo, I’m on my 3rd time through of watchng LOST.
I didn’t watch season one when it was on, but my wife and mother did and swore I would like it. So before season two started crammed through the first season to catch up to speed and never turned back.
We have them all on DVD and when the series completed in 2010, I started over and thoroughly enjoyed it the 2nd time through. That is when the brilliance of the writing became evident. Once you know how it ends and then can go back and realize how well they pieced it together and how many clues there was along the way, it makes more sense than ever.
My sons both wanted to watch but we were waiting for them to be old enough to handle some of the maturity of the show. So once school let out this year, we started watching a disc or so every night and while it’s not as enjoyable as it was the first time through and certainly not as informative as it was the 2nd time through, I’m enjoying them enjoying it as we go along. We actually just finished season four about an hour ago.
What’s so amazing about the show is that they claim that when they wrote the pilot they also wrote most of the last episode as well. The very last scene is allegedly EXACTLY the way they envisioned it at conception. So like I said, to know that and then re-watch how they “got there” is amazing.
But the magic of that show to me was how each episode was such a great cliff-hanger that had you coming back for more. My boys can’t grasp the fact that when those seasons ended we had to wait about six months to see where it went. After season two (maybe season three), they started the seasons in January instead of September. So you had to wait from May until after Christmas to see where it was going. They simply have had to put in the next DVD. LOL.
It pretty much was the only show that I cleared out my schedule on Wednesday nights to make sure I watched it as to not see any “spoilers” online.
I can see how some people didn’t like where it went and I think nolie and I have had conversations about it in the past. I haven’t started Fringe yet, but plan on it.
Enjoy….. imo it gets better as each season goes along.
June 27th, 20113:18 am
“most folks liked it KL, good chance you will too.but it is definitely a show that you need to enter from the very first episode.” nolie
Absolutely. Literally zero chance of grasping the dynamic of the show without watching season 1 & 2. Without starting from the beginning, you’d be very LOST. (pun very much intended)
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June 27th, 20113:53 am
This team is what they are right now and will continue to be just that until Wren does something about.
What they “are”, is a team that has enough pitching to win most series they are in. But a pathetic enough offense to make the “odds” very even of them also losing a series here and there because of the weak lineup.
Still leading the wild card and likely will continue to do so.
But until Uggla and Heyward begin to rake, Prado comes back OR Wren makes a move, this is also a team that won’t catch the Phillies and even if we win the wild card will fall short of winning (or getting to) the world series.
It’s really that simple. No two ways about it.
We’re a very good team BECAUSE of the great pitching (Venters’ afternoon not withstanding), but probably not good enough in the end until the offense does their part.
So the question becomes (or really still is)…. at what point does Wren sacrifice future flexibility and depth of the pitching staff to improve the 2011 team’s chances of winning a championship?
I’m all for trading one of Delgado, Teheran or Vizcaino, OR one of Beachy, Minor or Medlen to improve our chances. But not more than one and certainly not one from each of those groups.
And if it is either Teheran or Beachy it BETTER be for a guy that has major impact not only for this year, but is locked up for many years to come.
I also wouldn’t be opposed to trading Hanson or JJJ this offseason if they honestly feel that one or more of the above mentioned six guys (Minor, Beachy, Medlen, Teheran, Delgado or Vizcaino) can step in and give a reasonable replacement value of those guys. Again, it depends on the bat (or bats) coming our way.
But clearly this team can’t survive 2011 without both Hanson or JJJ.
Or, does Wren simply let it ride in 2011 bucking on Uggla, Heyward and Prado being healthy and hot for the 2nd half and carrying us through? Trading fringe prospects for bench and depth to help in close games?
I tend to think that that is the way he’ll go. He’s worked too hard to build this pitching staff for the “now” and the future to give it all away.
But that is one of the things that JS did so well. He not only stockpiled pitching for the Braves to use on their own team, but he also stockpiled trade bait to use to get the pieces needed to improve our chances in the short term.
What Wren needs right now is the reverse deal of the JJJ trade with Detroit. He needs to catch lightning in a bottle for a 2nd time, by trading away a pitching piece to a team that is desperate enough to give up a very good (young) hitting talent that we can control at a reasonable salary for the next 4-5 years.
But in the end, Uggla being the Dan Uggla he (Wren) and us expected him to be in the 2nd half would turn this whole season around. But I’m beginning to doubt that that Dan Uggla will ever show up in 2011.
June 27th, 20117:13 am
Gone Viral: Agree with your 2:21 a.m. about Venters’ unfortunate inning.
June 27th, 20118:19 am
Or, does Wren simply let it ride in 2011 bucking on Uggla, Heyward and Prado being healthy and hot for the 2nd half and carrying us through?
Why wouldn’t he? Seeing as how it’s the sane thing to do.
Maybe I just have the misfortune of being a macro-view guy on a micro-view blog.
June 27th, 20118:26 am
All I know is that as we awaken this morning the Braves are closer to 4th place than 1st. Who would have thought the Mutts, Nats, Pirates and D-Backs would be where they are at the 1/2 way point of the season. I believe these teams are going to continue to cause havoc with the pre-season announced playoff contenders.
June 27th, 20118:29 am
The big problem has been hitting LHP. That falls to a great extent on Uggla (who’s not gonna be replaced via trade) and the absence of Prado. So, I don’t see any huge trades in the works.
What seems like it would make sense would be a deal with Houston – not for Pence or Bourn, but for Bourgeois. He’s versatile (CF, LF, RF, 2B), showed good bat in the minors and in limited play this year – is old enough that the ’stros may not see him as a “prospect’ but little enough experience to be cheap, both in salary and trade requirements.
He’d probably platoon with McLouth (or Schafer), but might bolster the offense a little against LHP.
I have no idea if he’s available, but I’d be surprised if he was untouchable.
June 27th, 20119:00 am
Here’s a question. When is the last time the Braves had a 100 rbi guy? A 30 HR guy? A 40+ steal player? It’s been a while. It’s been a while since the Braves had an elite offensive player, in my opinion. McCann is excellent, but even he usually tops out at around .285 25 85. Which is great for a catcher.
June 27th, 20119:10 am
The braves need to make a move soon to find someone who might spark this non existent offense. What was it 2 hits yesterday??? sad…
June 27th, 20119:13 am
On McCann/Ross learning another position:
1. OK fine, let McCann remain as a mediocre defensive catcher who happens to be an awesome hitter. Check back with me when he’s 31 and done.
2. Does it bother anyone else that apparently, David Ross and Eric Hinske have no desire to play every day? They enjoy being backups, batting 5 times a week, starting maybe a game a week? They’re great guys I’m sure, and their contributions are unquestioned. I just always assumed every guy on the bench wishes they were in the starting lineup.
June 27th, 20119:15 am
They enjoy being backups, batting 5 times a week, starting maybe a game a week?
“A man’s got to know his limitations.” – Harry Callahan
June 27th, 20119:18 am
Unfortunate series loss this weekend. We hit the Padres while they were streaking. We’ll turn it around against Seattle. Go Braves
June 27th, 20119:20 am
Scoots,agree with you on living with Prado,Heyward,and Uggla. No reason to not believe in these guys,they have a track record that says they will be better the second half. My only wish for the Braves to improve right now would be to strengthen CF and try to get one more strong arm in the bullpen to lighten the load on our 3 studs. I still believe Bourn would be a good upgrade in center if the cost is not outrageous.
June 27th, 20119:23 am
McLouth is around .280/.450/.450 since coming back, CB. Seems to me that he would be a pretty good upgrade in CF, when Prado returns.
June 27th, 20119:24 am
Fish Bisch,what is wrong with you?
June 27th, 20119:26 am
Sample size,scoots. Have you not learned anything around here?
June 27th, 20119:28 am
I turned over a new leaf a few weeks ago CB
We’ll Own King Felix
June 27th, 20119:31 am
Geez this team is absolutely inconsistent.
henry from TN
June 27th, 20119:33 am
i think moving bmack would be a bad move….
June 27th, 20119:34 am
Sample size,scoots. Have you not learned anything around here?
Unfortunately, Schafer’s ample sample leads me to hope Nate’s return performance is no mirage, LOL.
No, not a bit, it’s actually a relief knowing that these guys are so dedicated to their role on this team.
June 27th, 20119:35 am
I’d say the offense is pretty consistent at what it does.
June 27th, 20119:41 am
On the bright side our pitching is super awesome!
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
curtis jones Does it bother anyone else that apparently, David Ross and Eric Hinske have no desire to play every day?
June 27th, 20119:45 am
The bad thing about this offense is the fact that a trade for one guy isn’t going to magically fix it. We’ve got to start getting production from guys like Uggla, Heyward, Chipper and Prado on a more consistent basis.
“I think that he goes with Schafer until he tanks.”
What is he doing right now? Despite all of the hoopla about Schafer, he still sucks as a hitter.
June 27th, 20119:47 am
i think moving bmack would be a bad move….
Which I think safely ensconces you within a super majority.
Probably polls as high as world peace, apple pie and blue skies.
June 27th, 20119:48 am
Whoop, I don’t think you can point a finger at just one guy. I mean is Schafer sucks, what do you call what Uggla is doing? And I’d say we were expecting much more out of Uggla this year then we were Schafer.
Coach (2011 Fredi G. a go!)
June 27th, 20119:50 am
Dear Curtis Jones,
2010……Omar Infante the super utility player. 8 HR’s 47 RBI .321 BA
2011……Omar Infante the starter. 1 HR 24 RBI .259 BA
I’ll let you figure out the rest of the equation. Now, put your thinking cap on and try not to burn out most of your brain cells.
June 27th, 20119:54 am
We’ve got to start getting production from guys like Uggla, Heyward, Chipper and Prado on a more consistent basis.
I always wonder about the definition of “consistent” in such a context. I don’t think there is an offensive player alive who fits the definition as some here see it. Not saying that you’re that guy, AT.
June 27th, 20119:58 am
ncscoots, I would classify these guys as unconsistent in terms that they are way below the norms we’re use to and are expecting from them.
June 27th, 20119:59 am
Both Schafer and McLouth are okay against right-hand pitching. We need a RH bat who can platoon with one of them when Prado comes back.
I suggested Bourgious earlier; who else could we get on the cheap, RH bat, can play CF, to platoon when a lefty is on the mound?
Schafer against LHP: .118/.167/.176 (i.e., he should NEVER leadoff, probably never play, against LHP)
McLouth against LHP: .182/.286/.236 (not much better)
June 27th, 201110:09 am
Schafer did spark the team and bring the speed element to the ballclub, but he cant hit LHP what so ever and is very inconsistant with the bat. I really rooted for the kid, but when Prado comes back I think his time is up. Maybe batting him in the 8th spot could do him good, but At this point its hard to say but Nate is really a upgrade with the bat… Wren and Fredi have to decide if they should make a move. Also have to decide if Schafer needs ABs in AAA or to keep him up and be a part time player. Schafer could eventually just be a bench guy, with his speed and defense he could be valuable down the line once he figures out his role if he can stick in the bigs.
June 27th, 201110:11 am
We dont need another platoon. We have had the worst outfield in the majors for several years in a row now. We need some production from the outfield period!!
June 27th, 201110:12 am
We have had the worst outfield in the majors for several years in a row now
June 27th, 201110:14 am
With all of this eloquence, there’s just nothing much more to say. YOu either believe or you don’t.
June 27th, 201110:16 am
For a guy that sucks as bad as you guys like to point out….. he was the only guy yesterday to drive in a run, not to mention have half of the total hits for the team during the game.
June 27th, 201110:17 am
Ok, Just watched the replay on last nights 8th inning, and the pitch that Hudson hit to drive in 2 runs was pretty flat, didnt have much break on it at all. Not like Venters sinker usually does. Hope hes not getting tired from the overuse.
Damning with faint praise there AT, don’t you think.
June 27th, 201110:21 am
Bat, well I don’t have enough fingers to point to all of the issues we have on the offensive side of the game.
June 27th, 201110:22 am
Shafer is not a MLB player.
See Martin come.
See Jordan go.
June 27th, 201110:24 am
Use your toes then.
But Schaefer had half of our hits yestreday keylargo! If it wasn’t for him it would’ve almost been a no hitter. Shcafer is our no hitter breaker upper.
June 27th, 201110:25 am
We need Hank Aaron as our pitching coach is all.
June 27th, 201110:26 am
I’d much rather have Schafer stay where he’s at when Prado come back than to go through another round of Mclouth. That ship has done sailed, have you guys completely forgotten about what he’s brought the last couple of years? Oh how we forget.
June 27th, 201110:27 am
Ease, I’m not that talented.
But Schaefer had half of our hits yestreday keylargo!
Nate had the other half.
June 27th, 201110:28 am
Afan, more production and a platoon in CF are not mutually exclusive you do realize? Platoons have worked in the past.
June 27th, 201110:29 am
About our catching corp. when it comes to defense….
They have given up 63 stolen bases, caught 19 which equates out to a 23 percent success rate.
O yea, we have stolen 23 as a team and been caught stealing 22 times.
YIKES is all I have to say about this subject.
getting tired of 2 runs or 3 runs and 2 hits or 4 hits. Our lineup is full of .240 hitters. I would venture to say that when production is this bad nobody’s position is safe unless your maybe mccann or chipper…
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