But I’ve always respected Ross…I just get annoyed when people try to make him out to be SO MUCH better than BMac and they just gush over him—in fact, in that way Ross and I are a lot alike!
Maybe Schafer would reach base more if he’d hit it on the ground sometimes…still swinging for the fences looks like to me..looks like no one can get through to these guys.
I’m sorry DOB, but if the Twins are moving an ALL STAR catcher like JOE MAUER to 1st base…moving Brian McCann to 1st base on the Braves isn’t that far fetched.
True we have Freddie Freeman there right now he’s a rookie lets see how things play out the next few seasons. If Mac starts to get injury prone playing catcher and Freeman turns into a good but not great 1B…I can’t see a reason why you wouldn’t try moving Brian McCann to 1B…things have to “fall” into place for that scenario but it is not out of the realm of possibility.
More Mac. For those who say Mac’s a bad defensive catcher, under what criteria?
Based on defensive RAR for 2010-2011 (so far), know who’s better of everyday catchers:
Ruiz, Y. Molina, Torrealba, Wieters, Olivo, Mauer, Hanigan, Martin, Ramos. That puts him in the top 3rd defensively.
Ross is like Hinske, excellent guys to have on the bench so they don’t get overexposed…
They have more value in that situation than they likely would playing regularly
Supe – the Twins are moving Mauer because he can’t stay healthy at catcher. That’s not true of Mac. What, do you want to play a rock at Catcher because you can’t afford to lose his bat?
As I said, a lot Mac’s value is that he plays catcher, and you’d lose some of that if you moved him to an offensive position (LF or 1B). And puhleaze, Freeman is the first baseman.
Tremendously informative article in New York Times Sunday Magazine about the effect of age on athletes.Article focused on Jeter but basically revealed the thoughts of medical field that for a Major Leaguer it is all downhill after 30 and pretty quickly.The only reason things had changed in last 20 years was the obvious use of steroids and its ability to temporarily delay the process. After reading the article you had to realize the Yankees have to see themselves as idiots after signing Jeter to his deal.After Jeter’s and others inevitable deterioration it will become obvious to these owners that multi year extensions for a 32 0r 33 year old player are insane. The party is basically over and it ended suddenly unless the players are able to come up with the next new thing in avoiding detection. Great article.
Great Blog DOB. I always thought the idea of moving Mac to another position was idiotic. I think Ross summed up his abilities & gave it to ya straight.
I seriously would swap Nate & Schafer in the order. I know some of you think Schafer is somehow a plus leading off, but the stats just are not backing that up.
Yeah, nolie–probably a good 100 pts below what would be acceptable. I was trying to be diplomatic when there was really no cause to be. .215/.295/.300 ain’t gonna get it done.
I am monty, and I am over-exaggeratin’ a bit for effect, but Schafer looks like crap. he is not even the same physical specimen that he used to be. and quite truthfully I have always thought he was over-rated. Like Betemit he had basically a great one half a season at AA ball and was hyped to death ever after. JMO of course
For years now we have been searching for a bonafide leadoff hitter, and we finally get a guy with speed, great arm, good defense and oh, by the way, his numbers at leading off the game are, .417,.500,.542,.1.042 and you would rather replace him with Nate who is .195,.268,.343,.611 at leading off the game? Talk about your major suckage. Really? Not to say that Jordan doesn”t need to improve at the other times in the game, he does, but this was thrust upon him due to injuries and he’s only had around 100 big league AB’s in the past 2 years, but man oh man, how could he do any better at being the leadoff hitter? C’Mon Man.
Mauer has a 162 game average of 15 HR/92RBI and a .880 OPS. As a 1B in 2010, there were 23 1B with more HR’s and 9 with better OPS and RBI totals. As a catcher, he’s an all-star, as a 1B, he’s better than average, but not a star.
Ross is a class act. He is a valuable part of this team, like Hinske. Ross knows his role, has accepted it, and is comfotable with it. He’s great.
McCann is an absolute stud behind the plate for the Braves. He is having an MVP year. Not just for the way his offense has carried the Braves at times this year, but because he has handled the best overall pitching staff in MLB.
People are way too critical and unappreciative of McCann. Fans need to be thankful that the catcher position is a position of no worry and is set in stone for, hopefully, many years to come with McCann. Fans are seeing, in my opinion, a future hall of famer at catcher. There is a future hall of famer at third base and we have seen future hall of famers on the mound in Braves uniforms.
It is great to be a McCann fan and a Braves fan. Now, let’s get some runs and win this ballgame.
.417,.500,.542,.1.042 and you would rather replace him with Nate who is .195,.268,.343,.611 at leading off the game? Talk about your major suckage. Really? mont
wow, that’s pretty funky. you are maintaining that he will continue to lead off a game at twice the rate that every other at bat?thats ridiculous. you do realize how incredibly small that sample size is for just leading off a game, and surely must understand that it will soon go down in line with the rest of his stats. there is NMIH that he is gonna continue at that level leading off when he sux so bad every other at bat . Lets revisit those numbers in two weeks.
Well, at 1B Mauer would probably post better numbers; more at bats would lead to higher HR, RBI totals, for one thing, and less distraction/responsibility would probably boost his overall hitting.
But, point taken. He wouldn’t be an elite-hitting 1B.
Wife saw San Diego scenes when game first came on. Moments ago I told her it was 70 degrees out there. K, I made up a temp. Even so…she cracked..we get to go again, on her dime, after first of year.
No I’m no catcher, nor have I done extensive research on the topic, but wouldn’t moving McCann from behind the plate keep his knees/legs fresher and potentially extend his career?
Schafer has an OBP in the 290’s. That’s what you want from the guy who will get the most plate appearances in a given span of games? No Nate isn’t leaps & bounds ahead of him, but his is around .330 if recall. That’s still HUGE difference long term.
All Schafer is going to give you over Nate is a bit more speed & flash in his few & far between extra base hits.
LAG – exactly. The Mauer move is of necessity. It’s not an example for Braves to follow. Also, McCann’s 162 game numbers compare much better than Mauer’s to 1B, still, it would be like trading the best catcher in the NL (at least) for a 5-8 1B. People here would rip Wren to shreds if he made a deal like that, rightfully so.
Anything exciting, other than this 0-0 score, happen in the past few innings? (Game has been on my computer but I’ve been cleaning and not really paying attention)
I can say one thing,,, Lowe didn’t disappoint the other night. Talk about a total waste of a spot in the rotation, the dude absolutely drives me crazy.
1,315 comments Add your comment
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
4:46 pm
Nothin’
Trey
June 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
McFann, I thought this article might have made you gain more respect for Ross, for being a stand up guy.
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
Dang it
Trey
June 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
Dang, Schafer.
J-Man
June 26th, 2011
4:48 pm
even though we didnt score it was a good inning making him go deep in the count like that and hes on a 70 pitch count
Tomahawk Mafia
June 26th, 2011
4:48 pm
I wish Schafer could reach base more frequently. His plate discipline has eroded recently.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
4:49 pm
Trey—
Well it did!
But I’ve always respected Ross…I just get annoyed when people try to make him out to be SO MUCH better than BMac and they just gush over him—in fact, in that way Ross and I are a lot alike!
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:49 pm
.595 and sinking fast
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
4:50 pm
Sit on down Lueggie
Whoop
June 26th, 2011
4:50 pm
Once Prado returns, McLouth’s back to CF and Schafer’s back to AAA
kevkat
June 26th, 2011
4:50 pm
Maybe Schafer would reach base more if he’d hit it on the ground sometimes…still swinging for the fences looks like to me..looks like no one can get through to these guys.
Supes
June 26th, 2011
4:50 pm
I’m sorry DOB, but if the Twins are moving an ALL STAR catcher like JOE MAUER to 1st base…moving Brian McCann to 1st base on the Braves isn’t that far fetched.
True we have Freddie Freeman there right now he’s a rookie lets see how things play out the next few seasons. If Mac starts to get injury prone playing catcher and Freeman turns into a good but not great 1B…I can’t see a reason why you wouldn’t try moving Brian McCann to 1B…things have to “fall” into place for that scenario but it is not out of the realm of possibility.
With all due respect to David Ross of course.
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
4:51 pm
Just need Huddy to get in a groove,will get to there pitcher.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
4:51 pm
More Mac. For those who say Mac’s a bad defensive catcher, under what criteria?
Based on defensive RAR for 2010-2011 (so far), know who’s better of everyday catchers:
Ruiz, Y. Molina, Torrealba, Wieters, Olivo, Mauer, Hanigan, Martin, Ramos. That puts him in the top 3rd defensively.
Stop the hating, without any real proof.
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:51 pm
Ross is like Hinske, excellent guys to have on the bench so they don’t get overexposed…
They have more value in that situation than they likely would playing regularly
Trey
June 26th, 2011
4:51 pm
Well, if Lopez was a Brave today, then you wouldn’t have to worry about people gushing all over Ross.
They’d be all over Lopez.
kevkat
June 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
Hudson’s pitches are up..alot..doesn’t bode well unless he can get them down
Ralph
June 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
Don’t expect the baves to score any runs today or for the next week for that matter, they got their months quota yesterday.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
4:54 pm
Supe – the Twins are moving Mauer because he can’t stay healthy at catcher. That’s not true of Mac. What, do you want to play a rock at Catcher because you can’t afford to lose his bat?
As I said, a lot Mac’s value is that he plays catcher, and you’d lose some of that if you moved him to an offensive position (LF or 1B). And puhleaze, Freeman is the first baseman.
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:54 pm
with SD getting 11 on Friday and the Braves 10 on Saturday, this game might go into Monday B4 anybody scores
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
4:54 pm
Smart Jay: No ones hating,just giving opinions.
T for Texas
June 26th, 2011
4:54 pm
.595
A number quickly approaching the threshold of suckage that exceeds any unconditional love for speed.
Tech 73
June 26th, 2011
4:55 pm
Tremendously informative article in New York Times Sunday Magazine about the effect of age on athletes.Article focused on Jeter but basically revealed the thoughts of medical field that for a Major Leaguer it is all downhill after 30 and pretty quickly.The only reason things had changed in last 20 years was the obvious use of steroids and its ability to temporarily delay the process. After reading the article you had to realize the Yankees have to see themselves as idiots after signing Jeter to his deal.After Jeter’s and others inevitable deterioration it will become obvious to these owners that multi year extensions for a 32 0r 33 year old player are insane. The party is basically over and it ended suddenly unless the players are able to come up with the next new thing in avoiding detection. Great article.
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:56 pm
way past that point IMO Tfor, and as an old scout I was conditioned to luv speed. but you gotta have sumthang to go with it….
monty
June 26th, 2011
4:57 pm
I thought you were one of the guys who preached small sample size, Nolee?
Hugo Z Hackenbush
June 26th, 2011
4:58 pm
The spectre of McClouth in center is looming again. Thanks a lot, Schafe.
Elonbrave
June 26th, 2011
4:59 pm
David Ross gives a great interview. The Braves seem to have a lot of guys like that.
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:59 pm
Now lets get to them here, boys.
fastasballs
June 26th, 2011
4:59 pm
Great Blog DOB. I always thought the idea of moving Mac to another position was idiotic. I think Ross summed up his abilities & gave it to ya straight.
I seriously would swap Nate & Schafer in the order. I know some of you think Schafer is somehow a plus leading off, but the stats just are not backing that up.
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
5:01 pm
Another no hitter?
Jerry
June 26th, 2011
5:01 pm
Wow, the way this game is going, Huddy might have to hit another homer in order to win.
Chris from the Rock
June 26th, 2011
5:02 pm
This might be Luebke’s last inning. Black has him on a 60-70 pitch count limit.
T for Texas
June 26th, 2011
5:02 pm
Yeah, nolie–probably a good 100 pts below what would be acceptable. I was trying to be diplomatic when there was really no cause to be. .215/.295/.300 ain’t gonna get it done.
itpdude
June 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
tl;dr
Can you do MORE of a wind-up next time?
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
Just missed it.
T for Texas
June 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
*acceptable on a minimal level.
kevkat
June 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
they’ve been outs..but I like Uggla’s swings today
nolee
June 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
I am monty, and I am over-exaggeratin’ a bit for effect, but Schafer looks like crap. he is not even the same physical specimen that he used to be. and quite truthfully I have always thought he was over-rated. Like Betemit he had basically a great one half a season at AA ball and was hyped to death ever after. JMO of course
kevkat
June 26th, 2011
5:05 pm
Do we really want to get into their bullpen..aren’t those guys pretty good too?
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
5:05 pm
How long before they start showing BMac in these ASG commercials?
I guess he’s only been to it 5, going on 6 years in a row…can’t expect them to jump the gun quite this early…
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
5:06 pm
Patriotic salute a nice touch.
kevkat
June 26th, 2011
5:08 pm
that’s the Huddy I know…
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
5:08 pm
Rizzo just got owned MLB-style.
Bat Masterson
June 26th, 2011
5:09 pm
Why does the radio keep going to commercials in the middle of at bats? crazy
Jerry
June 26th, 2011
5:10 pm
Wondering when Huddy will have a clean inning.
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
5:11 pm
Alright, lets get Huddy some runs!!
TheAntiMe
June 26th, 2011
5:12 pm
Looking good, Timbo!
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
5:12 pm
Huddy got in the groove I asked for ,now let the bats begin.
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
5:12 pm
We got to push one or two across the plate this half inning–I want to drive to the store with a smile on my face—come on, “make my day!”
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
5:12 pm
Trey Well, if Lopez was a Brave today, then you wouldn’t have to worry about people gushing all over Ross.
They’d be all over Lopez.
Hmm…
BMac’s better-looking!
Bat Masterson
June 26th, 2011
5:13 pm
The Ross is leading off. A good time for him to hit a 3 run jack.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
5:13 pm
Bat M. The Ross is leading off. A good time for him to hit a 3 run jack.
monty
June 26th, 2011
5:14 pm
For years now we have been searching for a bonafide leadoff hitter, and we finally get a guy with speed, great arm, good defense and oh, by the way, his numbers at leading off the game are, .417,.500,.542,.1.042 and you would rather replace him with Nate who is .195,.268,.343,.611 at leading off the game? Talk about your major suckage. Really? Not to say that Jordan doesn”t need to improve at the other times in the game, he does, but this was thrust upon him due to injuries and he’s only had around 100 big league AB’s in the past 2 years, but man oh man, how could he do any better at being the leadoff hitter? C’Mon Man.
Bat Masterson
June 26th, 2011
5:15 pm
McFann
Chris from the Rock
June 26th, 2011
5:15 pm
Typical A-Out AB. Ist pitch hacking with a popout.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
5:17 pm
Mauer has a 162 game average of 15 HR/92RBI and a .880 OPS. As a 1B in 2010, there were 23 1B with more HR’s and 9 with better OPS and RBI totals. As a catcher, he’s an all-star, as a 1B, he’s better than average, but not a star.
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
5:17 pm
@Bat….local advertising spots seem to fall into an illogical transitivo–”F” the game, right!
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
5:18 pm
Huddy needs to go yard.
Shooter McGavin
June 26th, 2011
5:18 pm
In the words of Harry Doyle (Bob Uecker)….One hit….that’s all we got…one god da#@ hit.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
5:19 pm
John Leonard – I was exaggerating. Lighten up. Opinions are fine. They’re better when they have some basis in fact.
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
5:20 pm
Re: Lead off guy…..it’s JMO–We stayed with Nate a while, give Jordan a bit more time–he’ll be okay.
MBATL
June 26th, 2011
5:20 pm
The answer to the trivia question: Roberto Alomar and Marcus Giles.
BrianSC
June 26th, 2011
5:20 pm
Ross is a class act. He is a valuable part of this team, like Hinske. Ross knows his role, has accepted it, and is comfotable with it. He’s great.
McCann is an absolute stud behind the plate for the Braves. He is having an MVP year. Not just for the way his offense has carried the Braves at times this year, but because he has handled the best overall pitching staff in MLB.
People are way too critical and unappreciative of McCann. Fans need to be thankful that the catcher position is a position of no worry and is set in stone for, hopefully, many years to come with McCann. Fans are seeing, in my opinion, a future hall of famer at catcher. There is a future hall of famer at third base and we have seen future hall of famers on the mound in Braves uniforms.
It is great to be a McCann fan and a Braves fan. Now, let’s get some runs and win this ballgame.
GO BRAVES!!!
Nova Scotia Steve
June 26th, 2011
5:21 pm
Hey folks!!!1
Bat Masterson
June 26th, 2011
5:21 pm
As a catcher, he’s an all-star, as a 1B, he’s better than average, but not a star.
184 million dollars, man o man.
nolee
June 26th, 2011
5:24 pm
.417,.500,.542,.1.042 and you would rather replace him with Nate who is .195,.268,.343,.611 at leading off the game? Talk about your major suckage. Really? mont
wow, that’s pretty funky. you are maintaining that he will continue to lead off a game at twice the rate that every other at bat?thats ridiculous. you do realize how incredibly small that sample size is for just leading off a game, and surely must understand that it will soon go down in line with the rest of his stats. there is NMIH that he is gonna continue at that level leading off when he sux so bad every other at bat . Lets revisit those numbers in two weeks.
Bat Masterson
June 26th, 2011
5:25 pm
Yeah Captain,
every time it happens I’m thinking, wait, what happened, what did I miss. nutty
Shooter McGavin
June 26th, 2011
5:25 pm
Leubke is the greatest pitcher in MLB history….How else could you explain his awesomeness?
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
5:25 pm
Bat—
BrianSC—
I totally agree!!!
Arkansas Transplant
June 26th, 2011
5:25 pm
Hello everyone
MikeInFl
June 26th, 2011
5:25 pm
Well, at 1B Mauer would probably post better numbers; more at bats would lead to higher HR, RBI totals, for one thing, and less distraction/responsibility would probably boost his overall hitting.
But, point taken. He wouldn’t be an elite-hitting 1B.
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
5:26 pm
Another DP needed, guys.
LAG
June 26th, 2011
5:26 pm
Two reasons given for moving Mauer to 1B…
1) He’s still too injured to be an effective catcher.
2) Morneau is still out for quite some time.
Neither of these is a problem the Braves have.
jungleland sax solo
June 26th, 2011
5:26 pm
Wife saw San Diego scenes when game first came on. Moments ago I told her it was 70 degrees out there. K, I made up a temp. Even so…she cracked..we get to go again, on her dime, after first of year.
YAYYYYYY….San Diego…Go Braves.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
June 26th, 2011
5:27 pm
That certainly sucked.
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
5:27 pm
Heyward huh?
You CATCH that ball Mister!
jeffrey d
June 26th, 2011
5:27 pm
No I’m no catcher, nor have I done extensive research on the topic, but wouldn’t moving McCann from behind the plate keep his knees/legs fresher and potentially extend his career?
nolee
June 26th, 2011
5:27 pm
oh no….
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
5:27 pm
Did Huddy watch Jair last night and decide to duplicate it?
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
5:27 pm
Jason should have totally had that ball
fastasballs
June 26th, 2011
5:28 pm
Schafer has an OBP in the 290’s. That’s what you want from the guy who will get the most plate appearances in a given span of games? No Nate isn’t leaps & bounds ahead of him, but his is around .330 if recall. That’s still HUGE difference long term.
All Schafer is going to give you over Nate is a bit more speed & flash in his few & far between extra base hits.
Arkansas Transplant
June 26th, 2011
5:28 pm
Great game yesterday by JJ. Hudson has been crazy wild but efficient today.
Nova Scotia Steve
June 26th, 2011
5:29 pm
Of course I missed yesterday’s offensive eruption…lol
Nova Scotia Steve
June 26th, 2011
5:29 pm
Of course I missed yesterday’s offensive eruption…lol
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
5:29 pm
LAG – exactly. The Mauer move is of necessity. It’s not an example for Braves to follow. Also, McCann’s 162 game numbers compare much better than Mauer’s to 1B, still, it would be like trading the best catcher in the NL (at least) for a 5-8 1B. People here would rip Wren to shreds if he made a deal like that, rightfully so.
Arkansas Transplant
June 26th, 2011
5:30 pm
Why is it Heyward has so much trouble tracking and moving towards balls. That should have been a easy catch if he’s coming in hard for it.
nolee
June 26th, 2011
5:30 pm
more than likely they will both be gone next year and we can argue about sumthang else
Nova Scotia Steve
June 26th, 2011
5:31 pm
Huge K for Huddy!!!
nolee
June 26th, 2011
5:31 pm
even better question. why do the defensive metrics like him so much when Braves fans hate him so much?
T for Texas
June 26th, 2011
5:32 pm
Good points Re: maximizing value by position, Jay.
MikeInFl
June 26th, 2011
5:33 pm
nolee, I don’t think the metrics do like him. Fangraphs doesn’t like his D at all.
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
5:33 pm
Because defensive metrics is a game made up by adults who like to play like children.
Arkansas Transplant
June 26th, 2011
5:33 pm
hate is an awefully strong word isn’t it?
nolee
June 26th, 2011
5:34 pm
still having some trouble keeping the ball low enough pitch after pitch it seems
bravofan
June 26th, 2011
5:35 pm
love the Prado ad!!!!!
Nova Scotia Steve
June 26th, 2011
5:36 pm
Hate is a strong word. I try not to use it.
Kat
June 26th, 2011
5:36 pm
Anything exciting, other than this 0-0 score, happen in the past few innings? (Game has been on my computer but I’ve been cleaning and not really paying attention)
nolee
June 26th, 2011
5:37 pm
the ones I read do Mike and Fielding Bible panel voted hin third or so last year.
they had him +10 last year and +2 so far this year
smoltz29
June 26th, 2011
5:37 pm
Our bats made Leubke look like Sandy Koufax. Ouch!
Arkansas Transplant
June 26th, 2011
5:38 pm
I can say one thing,,, Lowe didn’t disappoint the other night. Talk about a total waste of a spot in the rotation, the dude absolutely drives me crazy.