SAN DIEGO – So David Ross is in the lineup today, catching Tim Hudson’s start while Brian McCann gets a day off for this series finale against the Padres. This duo worked out well five days ago, you might recall.
So I got to thinking, today would be a good day to ask Ross about what is, to me, a misguided notion among some observers – not just fans but also some in the media – about playing Ross more and moving McCann to another position in order to try to keep him healthy and fresh.

A five-time All-Star -- soon to be six-time -- and the best-hitting catcher in the National League and arguably the majors, McCann has worked to improve his defense and game-calling skills.
Because if Ross has a big game, especially if he has one like the two-homer game he had the last time he started a game here in San Diego back in April, there will invariably be plenty of blogs and Twitter comments about how the Braves need to play one of them at another position – any position – in order to get both bats in the lineup.
And again, posts about how McCann, 27, should be moved to first base – or wherever, since some don’t seem to think it much matters – in order to make sure he doesn’t get Posey’d in a home-plate collision.
Even though I disagree with the logic and the entire theory behind moving a guy who’s probably the best-hitting catcher in the National League since Mike Piazza to another position, a position where he might just be a good hitter but not a great one, I thought I’d go to a couple of others more informed that myself: Ross and Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez, who also happens to be former minor league catcher.
I ended up spending more time than planned with Ross, because he was as informative and candid and entertaining as always. So because I don’t want to deprive you of any of his wisdom, and also because I’m running out of time quickly before the first pitch, I’ll just run my conversation with him as a Q&A and see what you think about this subject after you read it, if he says anything at all that either reinforces your current opinion or makes you change your mind a bit.
I’ll share Fredi’s thoughts about it later, but suffice to say, he believes McCann is a solid defensive catcher who has worked hard on that part of his game and on calling a game, and he doesn’t see any reason why you’d move McCann to a different position, particularly since it’d almost have to be first base and the Braves have a strong 21-year-old rookie first baseman. “That’d be cutting off your nose to spite your face,” he said.
But anyway, here’s Ross.
Oh, and I should make it clear: I’ve never, not once, heard a Braves official or another player suggest that McCann should or would be moved to another position in the foreseeable future. And McCann has said repeatedly that he wants to play no other position, that he’s a catcher and loves to catch, doesn’t want to move.
Reason I asked was, I’m just reacting to the many emails, Twitter comments and blog posts that I’ve seen, particularly after the Buster Posey injury, that suggest McCann should be moved to first base or another position.

During McCann's time with Braves, some in the organization say the "his team" torch has been figuratively passed from Chipper to B-Mac (right).
And let me just say again that damn, David Ross is a great quote. Wait’ll you see his third-person quote about himself and his .203 season (with 17 homers) when he played a career-high 112 games for Cincinnati in 2007. Funny dude.
DOB: I think that some observers might short-change McCann on the defensive side of the game, because they get to compare him to such a strong defensive catcher and game-caller – you.
Ross: “I think Mac is an All-Star not just because of his bat. He calls a great game. We have one of the best pitching staffs in the game, and catching is a huge part of that.
“Year to year, every player is different. But [for example], Javy Vazquez had a subpar year before he came over here and had one of the best years of his careers. And then left, and was just kind of average. Just logically, that could have something to do with Mac and the way he calls a game. I don’t know that, but….
“His mind, as such a great hitter, helps him call a game, too. I watch the way he calls a game and it helps my game-calling, just watching him on the days that I have off. He does have a hitter’s mindset, whereas sometimes I have more of a pitcher and defensive mindset, he knows more what the hitter’s looking for sometimes, because he’s such a good hitter.”
What about this whole idea, from outside the organization, fans and some in the media suggesting that McCann should be moved so preserve his health and/or to get both of you in the lineup?
“I think, 1.you don’t ever want to start moving guys around, because you don’t know what you’re going to get. Moving Martin Prado from second base to left, I think it took him a while to adjust to not being part of the action. When you’re catching, you can forget about hitting because you’re so focused on getting their hitters out. If you’re playing first or playing the outfield, you might be swimming in your own dome [mind] out there a little bit, thinking about stuff.”

Ross says there are good reasons that McCann has his role, and Ross his.
And moving a catcher can be a bit unique, right, since guys who’ve caught so long have a different mentality?
“Yeah. I would be a first base calling a game; I sit on the bench calling a game. I’m thinking, how much more does this pitcher have? And then the stress of learning a new position would take its toll on you, I think. It’s not like, oh, I’m going to move to first, and all of a sudden I’m a great first baseman. You have to take ground balls, you have to learn situations, you have to learn where to go on bunt plays, cut-off plays. Also the gaps. That’s a lot of added stress.
“He’s a good catcher; let him be a good catcher. They tried to move Mike Piazza – if somebody’s an All-Star, let them be an All-Star. The guy [McCann] is going to be a six-time All-Star. They’re not talking about moving Roy Halladay to the bullpen. ‘He’s great, let’s move him to closer. Our closer sucks, so let’s make Roy Halladay our closer so we can nail down the win.’ I mean, that makes no sense at all.”
A lot of people seem to assume moving him to first would keep McCann healthier, even though they just saw Pujols break his arm making a fairly routine tag play at first base…
“There’s no guarantees in this game. There’s a lot of [illogical ideas people have]. Like even when we come into the American League games, or we go into Houston and you have a chance to play him in left or me in left [because of the small left field] – there’s no reason for that. This is the major leagues. People don’t understand how hard this game is. Everybody is really good at their position. They’re the best. They’re not just like, ‘hey, let’s just move this guy.’ They have their skill set and worked their way through the minor leagues, made major league careers at that position because they’re good. Really, really good. You can’t just move a guy. There’s a reason why there are a bunch of players in Triple-A that don’t get called up. Because they’re not ready. This is a very tough game.”
The great Johnny Bench moved eventually to third base, first base, the outfield on a part-time, but not much until he was 30. I just looked it up and he never played fewer than 121 games at catcher until he was 30. And he was an incredible athlete
“Incredible [athlete; referring to Bench]. Probably Mac’s one weakness is speed. But he’s such a good baseball player that he’s stolen more bases … I don’t have any career stolen bases, and he’s probably got 30. Because his instncts are really good, and he’s a great baseball player who grew up around the game.
“There may be a time to move a player to another position, if there’s some kind of injury down the road where he can’t maybe block as well, a knee injury or something. Then yeah, you keep his bat in the lineup any way you can. Or maybe down the road he moves to the American League, where he’s a DH. But you’re talking about when you get to D-Lowe, Chipper and Huddy’s age. You’re talking after 35. And he recognizes that, which is why he’s lost all the weight and trained harder and kept the weight off, because he recognizes how long he wants his career to go as a catcher.”
I think McCann might get slighted as a defensive catcher by some, because they compare him as a defensive catcher to you. And then you have a two-homer game….
“He’s a great catcher. I think he’s a great catcher.
“People always … it’s the whole thing where if the backup’s doing good… But there’s a reason why I’m a backup. I’ve had a chance to succeed, I’ve had a chance to start. I’m hit-or-miss over the longevity of a long season. I got exposed [as a starter] maybe, or however you want to look at it. I’m a better player now than I was then, but [backup] is also a good role for me to be in. Play as hard as I can for a couple of days, then get out for a couple of days, then get back in. It’s a role that I’m comfortable in.
“Fans saying, ‘Oh, David should play every day and move Mac to first, then we’ll have a better bat in the lineup.’ Well, David hit .203 for a season. [laughs] There were some home runs in there, but David hit .203 for a season. So let’s not just jump to conclusions.
“A guy who’s a career .290 or .300 hitter, whatever he is, let him do his thing. Let David do what he’s good at. Let Mac do what he’s good at. Let Eric Hinske do what he’s good at. Know what I’m saying? Good backups and role players are good because they’ve learned how to do it. It’s a certain skill set.
“You don’t see many young guys come up from the minor leagues and be good backups, because it’s a different mindset, it’s a different way to prepare. And me, Hinske, some other guys, we’ve had a chance to play every day and things didn’t work out. Now we’ve found our niche. Just speaking for me, I’m good in spurts, I’m good in small doses. But the longevity, I don’t know anymore. Because it’s been awhile.
“It’s easy to say that. But there’s a reason [the manager] put me in the role I’m in. And that’s the sign of bad managing, in my opinion, when you play the hot hand. That puts no confidence in your starters. Bobby [Cox] did a great job with that, and Fredi [Gonzalez] has. It doesn’t matter who’s hot; I’m playing my starters, and this guy is a big key on the bench that I need to use during the game.”
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♣ OK, let’s post this so you can read it before first pitch. We’ll close by saying happy 55th birthday to Mick Jones, who sang lead on a bunch of tunes by the mighty, mighty Clash, including this one, which you can hear by clicking here.

“I’M NOT DOWN” by The Clash
If it’s true that a rich man leads a sad life
N’ that’s what they from day to day
Then what do all the poor do with their lives?
On judgment day with nothing to say?
I’ve been beat up, I’ve been thrown
Out but I’m not down, I’m not down
I’ve been shown up, but I’ve grown up
And I’m not down, I’m not down
On my own I faced a gang of jeering in strange streets
When my nerves were pumping and I
Fought my fear in, I did not run
I was not done
I’ve been beat up, I’ve been thrown
Out but I’m not down, I’m not down
I’ve been shown up, but I’ve grown up
And I’m not down, I’m not down
And I have lived that kind of day
When one of your sorrows will go away
It goes down and down and hit the floor
Down and down and down some more
Depression
But I know there’ll be some way
When I can swing everything back my way
Like skyscrapers rising up
Floor by floor, I’m not giving up
So you rock around and think that
You’re the toughest
In the world, the whole wide world
But you’re streets away from where
It gets the roughest
You ain’t been there
I’ve been beat up, I’ve been thrown
Out but I’m not down, I’m not down
I’ve been shown up, but I’ve grown up
And I’m not down, I’m not down….
– By David O’Bries, Braves/MIB blog
1,315 comments Add your comment
Woody Woodward
June 26th, 2011
3:59 pm
Go Bravos
Kat
June 26th, 2011
4:03 pm
Not that I want this to be one of the first few blog comments but the Phillies won 3-1.
Tim
June 26th, 2011
4:05 pm
Posey’d…..Love it
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:06 pm
Looks like the Pads did a real nice recognition of the Marines.
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:07 pm
Game on
The A Bomb
June 26th, 2011
4:09 pm
Long day ahead.
JasonInFL
June 26th, 2011
4:09 pm
Well, that wasn’t a very good AB.
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
Dang it, JS and JH. Not a good start.
Chris from the Rock
June 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
Too many lefties in the lineup today. Fredi should have at least given Schafer or McLouth a day off, and put Ramirez in there. He’s rotting on the bench.
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
Mudderland in attendance–Big Go Bravos….but not like that/3KKKKKs.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 26th, 2011
4:11 pm
It looks like Luebke is on pace to pitch the game of his life today. He’ll probably strike out 12 and the Braves will have about 3 hits. It just looks like one of those days.
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
4:11 pm
We just got OWNED by this kid. Gonna be a long day.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
4:11 pm
Oh, GREAT Blog, Chief!! I’m keeping this one, that’s for sure! Thanks so much. Hope all those goofy fans who want to move BMac and play Ross more read this—might actually make an impression coming straight from the horse’s mouth…
Great stuff. I love it.
BFChris26
June 26th, 2011
4:11 pm
Hey everyone.
Joe Tess Fish House
June 26th, 2011
4:12 pm
Man the Pardes have some ugly uniforms. Whats the deal with that? Makes me want 2 vomit.
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
4:12 pm
My wife wants me to see if I can order her a Padres jersey like those worn today…..I told her internet commerce has ceased as of now!
MikeInFl
June 26th, 2011
4:13 pm
Play of the Game so far: Schafer taking a ball.
Kat
June 26th, 2011
4:13 pm
David…great quotes from Ross. Very cool insight he gave us.
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
4:14 pm
@DOB….Very good read, thanks for all you do to make things cool for the fans!
Mr. Enigma
June 26th, 2011
4:15 pm
David Ross is better than 75% of everyone else’s everyday catchers. Braves are very lucky to have such a team player on their side.
flange1
June 26th, 2011
4:15 pm
Great song DOB!
And one of your best interviews ever on a subject that our bloggers need more information on.
GREAT NEW BLOG! Thanks
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:15 pm
Ross seems to have real good sense. Thats the kinda stuff that a few of us try to explain to the blog, maybe they will accept reality from him better
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
NOW you’re out! Haha.
But seriously, Timmy…
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
Rossy!
Attaboy.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
Joe – those are their Sunday home uniforms honoring the Marines.
And why are the Padres trying to steal 3rd off Ross?
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
That’s right sit down!
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
Dummies thought heap was catching.
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
Don’t get him the first time, you’ll get him the next. Dufus.
Matt
June 26th, 2011
4:17 pm
The Braves would really benefit from having a DH. They could let McCann DH when Ross is catching and let Hinske DH when McCann is catching.
Chris from the Rock
June 26th, 2011
4:17 pm
O-Dog batting 3rd for the Pads? Ouch!
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:19 pm
live by the SB, die by the SB. and some folks wonder why there is such a low correlation between SB and RS.
coach being one of the biggest dummies in that regard of course
JasonInFL
June 26th, 2011
4:19 pm
Uggs is going to hit a double right here.
njbraves
June 26th, 2011
4:20 pm
I see Koufax is pitching for SD today.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
4:20 pm
You guys realize you’re taking a chance when you DH a catcher. If something happens to the catcher (say Ross gets hurt), and the other catcher has to play defense, the DH is off and the pitcher has to hit. It’s not a huge deal, but, if it happened early in an AL game, you’d be playing with 8 hitters against 9.
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:21 pm
can he get three more Ks in a row?
JasonInFL
June 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
or not. man, this guy is going to have like a Maddux-esque complete game shutout with 80 pitches or so at this rate. Of course, it is the 2nd inning. (-;
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
now you dun it Jay, all the dummies will be back demanding that we carry a third catcher who caint hit just sos we can use Rossy a few more at bats a year
JasonInFL
June 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
Messed that smiley up…
jch
June 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
Good topic. I’ve been critical of McCann because I don’t think he’s a very good defensive catcher. But, I’ve never suggested moving him (either to a different position or by trade – god forbid). He calls a good game and is a fantastic hitter.
However, we just saw what Ross does so much better than McCann (and probably leads to this controversy as much as anything) – slows down the running game. Ross made a great jump close at 2nd and nailed the guy, with an even better jump, at 3rd.
I’d love to see this out of McCann but it just may not be in his skill set.
njbraves
June 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
Might want to consider swinging at those fastballs down the center of the plate. Just a thought.
T for Texas
June 26th, 2011
4:24 pm
As a contrast to today’s blog on Mac (Good one, David) Twins announce today that Mauer will begin working out at First Base.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110626&content_id=21026148¬ebook_id=21026514&vkey=notebook_min&c_id=min
JasonInFL
June 26th, 2011
4:24 pm
Not picking up the ball well? That’s 4 Ks looking already.
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
4:24 pm
Bats taking a day off after a busy day yesterday.
kevkat
June 26th, 2011
4:24 pm
taking fast balls down the middle..good grief
Steve from OH
June 26th, 2011
4:25 pm
Great blog DOB. Great stuff from Ross.
olereb
June 26th, 2011
4:25 pm
I am on vacation in Destin, yaw keep me updated, please.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
4:25 pm
Luebke has made some kind of change from minors to majors. He still walks a lot, but his K’s have gone up significantly in the majors. Small sample size, though.
huddie ledbetter
June 26th, 2011
4:25 pm
I think moving Mac was a legitimate discussion a few years back when we had Salty looking like he may be legit and nobody that good in the immediate pipeline for first but not now. The worry for me at catcher isn’t injury as much as wearing out moving parts (knees, hips & back). All the getting up and down and moving around while in the crouch puts a lot of stress on anyone but more so on a guy as heavy as Mac. At some point he’ll likely have to move but not now. Great having a quality backup though.
Blog Monitor
June 26th, 2011
4:25 pm
njbraves, keep your intelligent observations coming, don’t know what we would do without your musings..
Shooter McGavin
June 26th, 2011
4:26 pm
I’m gonna get pounded for this but I’m predicting this starter will shut us down. He looks good the the righties aren’t exactly hitting the ball
wiki
June 26th, 2011
4:26 pm
October 5, 2030 AJC Headline: Gonzalez retires after 20 seasons as Braves’ skipper; Ross named manager for 2031.
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:27 pm
lets see how he does after a few times around the league
dean
June 26th, 2011
4:27 pm
Good stuff from Ross, DOB. Proof that the expert wannabe managers who want to change everything on a daily basis don’t have a clue. I prefer to let the experts do what they get paid to do.
@bravesgrl4life: Yeah, the “Hollywood Marines” (Marines who go to bootcamp in San Diego) get to go to Padres games. On the other side of the country, the Marines at Parris Island, SC get to go to, well, nowhere.
(I always love the opportunity to take a shot at my west coast “brothers”!)
Time to turn the game on…
Steve from OH
June 26th, 2011
4:27 pm
T for Texas–that may have something to do with Morneau’s injury…Gardenhire hinted at it in his comments too.
monty
June 26th, 2011
4:27 pm
Schafer with a lineout to 1b last night and a triple. Still squaring up some balls! a triple! THink about it.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 26th, 2011
4:27 pm
Hudson’s command looks a little off today.
Bat Masterson
June 26th, 2011
4:29 pm
Bats taking a day off after a busy day yesterday.
Nope, right here, ready, willing and able to call nuts, nuts.
olereb
June 26th, 2011
4:29 pm
Whats happening?
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:29 pm
I try to monty but that incredibly crappy 600 OPS keeps getting in the way
Bat Masterson
June 26th, 2011
4:29 pm
Rally good blog, DOB. Nice to get Ross’ perspective.
UNCBrave
June 26th, 2011
4:30 pm
Uggla hit his ball HARD..
This UMPIRE is squeezing Hudson
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
4:30 pm
Catching is what Mac can do,to slow for another postion other then D.H. in A.L. Just have to put up with bad defense.
olereb
June 26th, 2011
4:30 pm
Beautiful place, just dont know if I am going to make it for a week.
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
“Whats happening?”
Fixin’ to be “ballgame”….right here.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
Seems like we’re having this McCann convo because of Ross’s numbers. I think the issue here is how to get Ross more AB’s.
But, McCann’s value is significantly increased at catcher. Barring an injury that limits him at catcher, he has the most value to this team there.
I guess you could see a McLouth/Ross platoon in LF, but that’s going away when Prado returns anyway. And, Ross points out the difficulty in switching/playing 2 positions, which isn’t going to happen during the season anyway.
Shooter McGavin
June 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
might get ugly….
Bat Masterson
June 26th, 2011
4:32 pm
I am on vacation in Destin, yaw keep me updated, please. _ olereb
The women on the beaches will be going topless from 4 pm central time till dark tonight.
T for Texas
June 26th, 2011
4:33 pm
For sure SteveOH. Morneau’s injury was cited along with interleague play (not having DH as a place to keep him in lineup, without having to catch) But given that the organization was talking about wanting to move Mauer to first permanently–it seems to me that mangement may be being a little opportunistic with the injuries at 1B.
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:33 pm
Settle down, Huddy. Get Maybin.
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:34 pm
Now we need a HUGE DP.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 26th, 2011
4:34 pm
Dang error, if Gonzo fields that ball cleanly, the Braves might be out of the inning. Instead we have bases loaded and one out.
Jerry
June 26th, 2011
4:34 pm
Huddy not exactly looking very good so far.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 26th, 2011
4:34 pm
There is the DP. Sweet!
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:35 pm
like Ross admitted, he is hit and miss over the long run. like Hinske his bat tends to go down as the amount of playing time goes up
Bravefaninok
June 26th, 2011
4:35 pm
Nice DP by timmy.
Shooter McGavin
June 26th, 2011
4:35 pm
pheeeeewwwwww!!!!
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:35 pm
And we got it
Jerry
June 26th, 2011
4:36 pm
But with a fortuitous DP like that, he is still unscored upon.
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:36 pm
out at home!!!
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
4:37 pm
Tomahawk Mafia
Ball to Gonzo was a tough pick. Tons of top-spin on that in-betweener. Cut him some slack.
Dumbfound
June 26th, 2011
4:37 pm
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
“Whats happening?”
Fixin’ to be “ballgame”….right here.
J-Man
June 26th, 2011
4:37 pm
Huddy just pulled out his lucky rabbits foot on that double play
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:38 pm
fortuitous huh? Jerry goin’ all uptown on us today???
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
4:38 pm
huddie All the getting up and down and moving around while in the crouch puts a lot of stress on anyone but more so on a guy as heavy as Mac.
BMac is not THAT heavy!!
bravesgrl4life
June 26th, 2011
4:38 pm
Go Nate, go Nate
Jerry
June 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
no hitter is gone. Have to work on the shutout now.
njbraves
June 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
Atta boy Nate. Great to see that.
Bravefaninok
June 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
Nate!!!!!!!!!!! Looking much better @ the dish!!!
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
Nate haters………take your teef out and gum that.
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
Nate the great.
David O'Brien
June 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
McLouth’s third double in past four official at-bats
Dumbfound
June 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
McLouth must have lost a step. Should be at third !
John Leonard
June 26th, 2011
4:42 pm
Use Tim as a pinch hitter.
David O'Brien
June 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
Luebke must’ve seen Huddy’s two-run homer last week….
nolee
June 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
Nate’s OPS is almost 100 points higher than Schafer’s now
Kat
June 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
Game’s going quick or is it just me…
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 26th, 2011
4:44 pm
Yeah, he didn’t want any part of Timmy!
Mixxo
June 26th, 2011
4:45 pm
Schafer has a good eye.
Smart Jay
June 26th, 2011
4:46 pm
Continuing the McCann theme, he’s the number 2 catcher the last 2 years measured by WAR, second to Mauer. Of course, Mauer is proving injury prone, so a move is in order. However, at 1B, Mauer’s value is going to be much less.
Same would be true for McCann. Over the same period, Mac is far and away the best offensive catcher.
CaptainMudderland
June 26th, 2011
4:46 pm
Braves fans abound in SD…got to give ‘em some runs….us too!