Fredi G: No discussions about hitting coach change

SAN DIEGO – Braves fans have taken to the blogosphere and airwaves with speculation and suggestions that hitting coach Larry Parrish could be and/or should be fired. But at this point, that’s apparently all it is. Speculation and suggestions outside the organization.

“I’ve never even thought about that kind of stuff,” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said Saturday. “That’s never entered my mind, because I’ve been a coach. It’s so easy to say, yeah, you, if it’s not [going well]. I think the best way to say it is, everybody’s got to share responsibility.”

The Braves hit .199 in their last 12 games before Saturday, dropping their overall average to .238 and their on-base percentage to .305. Washington (.237) and San Diego (.234) were the only National League teams with lower averages, and San Francisco (.304) was the lone NL team with a lower OBP.

Nevertheless, the pitching-strong Braves were 43-34, tied for the second-best record in the NL and fourth-best in the majors.

“If you look at our stats over the course of the year, we’re not where we want to be offensively as a team,” Gonzalez said after the Braves got four hits in an 11-2 loss at San Diego on Friday.

A day later, Gonzalez said the team’s offensive woes should not be laid at the feet of Parrish, 57. He’s a former major league player with extensive managing and coaching experience, though not as a hitting coach except for parts of three seasons as a minor league roving instructor for the Tigers.

“You go by the batting cage every day and Larry’s in there banging,” Gonzalez said. “He’s prepared. He’s organized, detailed…. The two worst jobs, for me, are the hitting coach and the pitching coach. Because you’re held directly accountable for stuff that you’re really not accountable for.”

Much of the Braves’ offensive disappointments stem from the career-worst first half by Dan Uggla, who had a major league-low .175 batting average before Saturday, and Jason Heyward, whose inflamed shoulder contributed to a sluggish start (.227 average, .325 OBP, seven homers, 23 RBIs).

Uggla said recently that Parrish should take no heat for the second baseman’s disappointing first half, that the hitting coach has worked hard trying to help Uggla snap out of his season-long malaise.

Saturday, it was the manager who came to Parrish’s defense.

“If [a coach] does the things I said – be there on time, you’re organized, you’re detailed, you’re there for the players – then the other stuff is really on the players,” Gonzalez said. “I mean, you hate to throw everything on the players. But Larry doesn’t hit for them. [Pitching coach] Roger [McDowell] doesn’t pitch for them. And rightly so, they don’t want us to hit for them. If I did, I’d be making more outs.”

The Braves have 585 strikeouts (fourth-most in the NL) and 247 walks (eighth in NL), after leading the league in walks last season and ranking 11th in strikeouts. Gonzalez said there was not a directive or suggestion by him or Parrish for hitters to be more aggressive than they were under previous hitting coach Terry Pendleton, who was reassigned to first-base coach after Gonzalez was hired to replace retired manager Bobby Cox.

“I don’t think it’s any sort of blanket policy that we want them to be more aggressive,” Gonzalez said. “I think it’s up to every individual. I don’t think it’s the old Oakland A’s, where we’ve got to not swing the bats until we get two strikes — it’s not that kind of philosophy. But I know we don’t have that [be aggressive edict]; I’ve never heard anybody talk about that. Just get a good pitch and hit it.”

Gonzalez then waxed a bit philosophical about the Parrish discussion.

“It should be more of a simple world in sports,” he said, “where your criteria as coaches are, you show up to work, you have a good rapport with the players, you’re organized, you’re knowledgeable, and then just let them do their jobs. And I don’t have to sit here, or anybody has to sit here, and say Larry’s job is safe. Yeah, he does all those things I just mentioned.”

96 comments Add your comment

Piedmont Blues

June 25th, 2011
8:23 pm

You have a good rapport with players, you’re organized, you’re knowledgeable, and then just let them do their jobs. 1,2, and 4 are nice. But without 3, the others don’t matter.

katherine

June 25th, 2011
8:26 pm

Danthecone

June 25th, 2011
8:29 pm

I’ve heard Chipper say “my dad told me one thing” and that helped his swing immensely. Mac had one conversation with his brother and has been on a tear since. What I haven’t heard all season was one single Braves player credit Larry Parrish with helping them at all. It doesn’t matter if Larry gets the scouting reports and works hard, he doesn’t know how to fix a swing or help hitters figure out whats wrong. No one has questioned his work ethic, just his ability to help the Braves. So, in conclusion…

FIRE LARRY PARRISH FIRE LARRY PARRISH FIRE LARRY PARRISH FIRE LARRY PARRISH FIRE LARRY PARRISH FIRE LARRY PARRISH

jason

June 25th, 2011
8:33 pm

Fire both the Larry’s from the hawks and braves :D

C. Tampa Ironworse

June 25th, 2011
8:36 pm

YEA! How dare the blogosphere have an opinion. What do they know?

Steve

June 25th, 2011
8:38 pm

Parrish has changed the Braves so drastically .. as far as their hitting mentality goes .. that virtually the same core which had a GREAT OBP and overall OPS the last two-three years is now a mediocre offense. If we can even say mediocre at this point. Their aggressive and wild swings are ridiculous. We go after the first pitch WAY too often. We strike out WAY too much. It’s Parrish’s fault. Obviously. His hitting philosophy is not adaptable to good hitters who work the count and foul a lot of pitches off.

Parrish once struck out 154 times in a season. He had six seasons where he K’d more than 100 times. Obviously he took what worked for him and thought it would work for real hitters. His .263 career average shows he is not the same kind of offensive player that Chipper, Mac, Prado, Uggla, Heyward are. I guarantee all of those guys would probably be carrying us atop the division had Gonzo hired a real hitting coach instead of some dud whom thinks what worked for HIM as a hitter will work for guys who work the count and think tactically at the plate.

Parrish needs to adapt or go by the trade deadline.

Steve

June 25th, 2011
8:40 pm

A guy with a .318 career OBP .. coaching a team that went from a .339 to a .305 OBP. The only thing that changed in the offense was the hitting coach. I’ve got a BINGO!

katherine

June 25th, 2011
8:42 pm

ok you debbie downers…the braves just scored

turnin2

June 25th, 2011
8:42 pm

We can only hope this “vote of confidence” turns out like most…and he’s GONE!!

Steve

June 25th, 2011
8:43 pm

We’re bound to score a couple runs a game. Last year we averaged almost 5 runs a game though.

katherine

June 25th, 2011
8:46 pm

you all should be happy…your team scored….just enjoy the game and chill out a little

Dale_in_NC

June 25th, 2011
8:48 pm

I have never supported the hiring of Parrish. I can understand hiring someone who has only been a hitting instructor in the minors, but what in the world was Wren and Gonzalez thinking hiring a guy that has NEVER been a hitting coach at any level!? It’s absolutely ludicrous. Seems to me, from reading his non-chalant comments, Fredi doesn’t seem to think a hitting coach has a direct effect on a player.

If one or two players on a team are under performing, then yes, that could fall on the player. But when almost the whole team stinks? C’mon, that the respective coach’s fault.

If not, then why even have a coach to begin with? Does Fredi think if we finish dead last in the standings it wouldn’t fall back on his shoulders because he comes to work on time and is organized? Gimme a break!

ATLcracker

June 25th, 2011
8:50 pm

Do we know of anyone available who should be demonstrably better than Parrish with statistics to back that up.

JoeBravesFan

June 25th, 2011
8:54 pm

I appreciate that Fredi is trying to loyal to his coaches and not speak badly about them to the media, but Larry wasn’t even HIS choice for hitting coach. Parrish was Frank Wren’s choice. Fredi wanted his hitting coach that he had in Florida, but was basically forced to take Parrish. Regardless, SOMETHING needs to be done, whether its firing Parrish or benching players who are underperforming. I personally think MLB teams should be allowed to fine players for not living up what their contracts pay them to be. Uggla was paid to be a power hitter and he’s not hitting AT ALL, much less with power. Fining them would light a fire under their @$$….but the MLBPA would never allow it to happen.

garynpOH

June 25th, 2011
8:58 pm

coming to work on time and efforting does not cut it in my job, i have to perform and meet the expectations that go with the job. am i missing something that this is different in baseball.

DOB, in what situation is a hitting coach not performing and should consider being replaced?

katherine

June 25th, 2011
9:00 pm

keep it up you negative nancy’s the braves just scored again lol

kreedham

June 25th, 2011
9:06 pm

Don’t know whether Parrish is good or not! But I would ask Uggla if he has someone he’d like to come in to “consult” or bring in somebody to offer a 2nd opinion or both!

joedub

June 25th, 2011
9:08 pm

Ok! FIRE FREDI!

katherine

June 25th, 2011
9:09 pm

maybe uggla is having personal or relationship problems…….maybe he needs a good woman

Shawn

June 25th, 2011
9:11 pm

Katherine, you can stop lol’ing yourself to death every time the Braves score. They could score 20 today and there would still be long term concerns about the teams ability to score frequently.

Stumpknocker

June 25th, 2011
9:13 pm

We suffered through years of the same with T Pendleton, why after only 3 months with Parrish is everybody up in arms to fire him ??????

katherine

June 25th, 2011
9:14 pm

shawn…i realize that. It would be nice it you all could be happy when they are winning though. I’m not an idiot tyvm

the truth...

June 25th, 2011
9:17 pm

HERE IS THE SCOOP FREDDI…………………GET IT????

You liken a hitting coach to a pitching coach…..they don’t hit for the batters and they don’t pitch for the pitchers….

Well wouldn’t you think it would make sense to hire a pitching coach that has some experience as a successful pitching coach somewhere before, or was a successful pitcher?

Likewise Freddi….Parrish had NEVER ….NEVER…NEVER….been a hitting coach…..NEVER….so let him go practice on it at Gwinnett or Rome or wherever, but NOT IN THE BIGS….

the truth...

June 25th, 2011
9:18 pm

and you Katherine….go to your room…and shut up…

katherine

June 25th, 2011
9:19 pm

excuse me? Who are you to tell me to shut up?

Who me?

June 25th, 2011
9:20 pm

Oh come ON DOB – is Freddi serious? This ain’t a one-way mirror. We were bad with TP, we’re far worse with Larry Parrish. And FG stands in there as a team guy trying to deflect the heat from Parrish??? Call a spade a spade man – let’s do our own litmus test then OK? Let’s release Larry Parrish from his contract, just cut him loose. And then wait and watch to see just how many clubs around the league jump to hire him as Hitting Coach.

Puuuuhhhhhllllleeeeeaaaase. I’d take Howie McCann or Larry Wayne Jones Sr. in a heartbeat over Larry Parrish.

TeheranTime

June 25th, 2011
9:23 pm

How many hitting coaches do you go through before you realize that the Braves’ hitters are not very good. There, I said it. The Braves have a collection of veterans nearing the end of their careers and very young players. Both of those categories of players lend themselves to struggling at the plate. Last year, it was fire Terry Pendleton. This year, it’s fire Larry Parrish. Who next season? Maybe Chipper Jones will spare us all the agony, retire and become hitting coach.

Jack G If all the excuses Fredi talks about are true, why do we need a hitting coach??

June 25th, 2011
9:25 pm

Enter your comments here

katherine

June 25th, 2011
9:25 pm

why would chipper retire? we need him…maybe give his dad a try first

Stumpknocker

June 25th, 2011
9:27 pm

@ Joe Braves Fan…….I think your wrong on fining players for under-performing….to begin with the players association would never stand for it. Sure these guys are often over paid , but if your looking for someone to blame, look no further than the Yankee org of the (G Steinbrenner) era. During his time of ownership he paid whatever it took to sign the players he wanted and the free agent market exploded because of it.

Jack G..

June 25th, 2011
9:30 pm

If all the reasons Fredi gives are true, why do we need a hitting coach??????

katherine

June 25th, 2011
9:31 pm

lets go braves!

Jack G..

June 25th, 2011
9:31 pm

Braves need a hitting coach, I need a typing and blog coach

the truth...

June 25th, 2011
9:44 pm

Howie McCan IS a hitting coach….makes his living at it….so why not get him to work with ONE SPECIFIC HITTER (er that’d be non-hitter right now)…..and see what happens?

That “specific hitter” I am referring to is of course UGGLA….and he surely couldn’t screw him up any worse than he already is…

Maybe we should start an online petition to get these Freddi era knuckleheads to try something besides that which isn’t working…

the truth...

June 25th, 2011
9:46 pm

oh and Katherine….go to your room and CLOSE THE DOOR….

you can watch Hannah Montanna if you want but just shut up…..

Ralph

June 25th, 2011
10:18 pm

This offense sucks soooo bad that it is beyond the rediculas stage, Iguess nothing will be done about it so long as they are winning, no way I would pay good money to watch their sorry a—es.

Remarkable

June 25th, 2011
10:26 pm

Call Chipper’s Dad. No seriously!

Face Facts

June 25th, 2011
10:38 pm

First) One who has never been a hitting coach cant teach one to hit ? Second) Tonight a hit to left and McLouth didn’t even try to throw to third ? I am sick and tired of McLouth not throwing anything just a lob. I know he had a shot in shoulder in spring training and if I know that everyone else does. Get Contanza up and give him a try and get us a hitting coach (one that has experience in that capacity).

TeenageBravesFan

June 25th, 2011
11:05 pm

I never thought I would say this but:

I WANT PENDLETON BACK AS HITTING COACH!

I mean, this has been awful. Go from league-leaders in OBP to next to last in 1 year, with same core group? Awful! Also, never seen Uggla swing so terribly before. Didn’t do that in Florida. I bet Parrish is the reason ALL the hitters look bad when they swing , especially for outside pitches. The way they lunge for those balls away from them, no wonder they’re straining obliques.

Stumpknocker

June 25th, 2011
11:13 pm

The way the Braves structure their org is to load up pitching heavy. It’s been that way for many years and continues to be in the future. That often leaves them short of position players with exceptional talent. Under the current ownership, tight purse strings don’t allow them to spend big bucks to acquire free agent power hitters. That being said, the Braves will have to continue trying to win with good pitching, defense and low run production. production.

P. Bull Terrier

June 25th, 2011
11:31 pm

TeheranTime @9:23 pm is the lone voice of reason on the topic of hitting coaches. Braves fans complained for years about how Terry Pendleton ruined so many supposedly good Braves hitters and celebrated when TP was reassigned before this season. Now, in less than half a season, Larry Parrish has ruined a bunch of supposedly good Braves hitters? Aren’t these mostly the same guys (Uggla aside) that TP couldn’t teach to hit?

Ted Williams and Tony Gwynn, working together 24/7, couldn’t turn me (or most of the rest of you) into a good major league hitter, and those guys know/knew a few things about hitting. Likewise, I couldn’t turn Albert Pujols or Chipper Jones (in his prime) into a bad hitter, no matter how hard I worked at it. A good hitting coach may be able to help a good hitter fix the occasional mechanical flaw, but most of what it takes to be a good major league hitter is God-given talent that you either have or you don’t. Parrish may not be the answer, but I don’t think he’s the problem either.

Stumpknocker

June 25th, 2011
11:32 pm

IMO the problem with Uggla is due to his own stressing out. Career numbers indicate he’s a much better player than his current stats. Moving from an org with no fan base to one that does……..Just signing his first big contract…….the desire for fan acceptance and to prove he’s worth every penny the Braves spent on him have left him in a mental funk. Remembering back in Smoltz’s early career , he too would get into mental lapses and loose the competitive edge. The solution was to employ the services of a Sports Phsychiotrist(spelling). It certainly helped Smoltz and probably would help Uggla as well.

hal

June 25th, 2011
11:42 pm

i sure wish we coulda got that cameron maybin to play cf for us get rid of one of them whiteys and we then coulda had two of the all time worst outfielders in the history of the game in cf and rf but both would have been colored lol

hal

June 25th, 2011
11:47 pm

the hitting coach issure reminds me of a vinegar bend mizel (sp) story he was traded from the yanks too the st louis browns a coach said were going to now do things the yankess way to whit vb replied sir i have a old mule back in kentucky now matter how mucgh i train him he aint winnings the kentucky derby lol

DC Brave

June 26th, 2011
12:10 am

Well Done DOB.

Dan

June 26th, 2011
12:48 am

Unfortunately being on time and organized are nice attributes but gettins results is what the hitting coach gets paid to do. I do not have confidence that Larry Parrish can discover what is wrong with a players swing or other hitting mechanics. He needs to go sooner rather than later. Hire Mr McCann or Mr Jones.both havemade a career our of being a hitting instructors. Mr Wren act soon!!!

NO MORE PARRISH

June 26th, 2011
1:28 am

Because Fredi is now part of the good ol boy buddy Braves system. Screw him and Parrish. I guess everything is cool because we scored ten runs tonight. This team could be amazing with a few tweeks including replacing Parrish.

gotigers72

June 26th, 2011
2:12 am

One of two things is wrong with Parrish. He is NOT knowledgable, or he doesn’t know how to teach. Coaching is teaching after all. I had a math teacher in high school that knew math 50 ways from Sunday. Algebra, geometry, trig, calculus, you name it. Nobody doubted that she knew her subject. But she was the absolute WORST teacher that I ever had! Could not get an idea from her brain to yours to save her soul. My dad had to hire a math tutor for me, and that really pi**ed him off. That could be Parrish’s problem, he can’t teach.

The offense being so inept IS on Parrish IMO. The two hitters that have done the best, lead the team in RBIs, are Chipper and McCann, both of whom rely more on their dads for hitting advice. NO ONE ELSE ON THE TEAM HAS SHOWN ANY IMPROVEMENT OVER THE YEAR. NO ONE. What’s the common denominator there? LP. They don’t make adjustments, they don’t have good approaches. Parrish needs to go and the Braves need to get someone in there that can TEACH HITTING.

MariettaDerek

June 26th, 2011
2:54 am

Did Fredi address the speculation that Matt Young has been put on a zero BBQ sunflower seeds diet?

ivy

June 26th, 2011
6:45 am

I agree with Fredi, in baseball most times it is about the players not being able to hit either u can or u can’t! Alex Gonzalez for example no matter where. This guy goes he will always be a free swinger so a hitting coach should never be blamed but if the hitting does not improve of course he will get fired! It is not his fault Uggla has looked like he has been swinging a sword for most of the season and J-Hey has been hurt we have to realize how hard of a game baseball is the Red Sox have lost 5 straight and they have the best team money can buy so braves fans let’s enjoy this season

tim

June 26th, 2011
7:00 am

for all these people who have never coached anything in their life take a big drink of shut the hell up. it easy to blame the coach , manager etc, the athletes must be held accountable at some point. these are grown men playing a kids game making a boat load of money. go braves

Ebenezer Snerdberg

June 26th, 2011
7:48 am

Indeed Parish needs to go! And fire Fredi Cox! tim…go to your room!

WV Bud

June 26th, 2011
9:01 am

Exactly right, tim.All Braves fan”s want to win.If you ever played any sport,you know you don”t win every game. go braves

BravesLover

June 26th, 2011
9:06 am

Show up, talk with folks, be organized…..WHY HAVE A HITTING AND PITCHING COACH AT ALL???? Sounds like a retail job making minimum wage to me. These should not be held accountable???? Who is accountable? Not the coaches, not the very well paid players, and not the managers. Maybe the bat boys have the wrong juju? Maybe the locker room attendants??? Maybe the caterers??? How ’bout hold the fans accountable for not showing and vocalizing their displeasure??? The announcers are the scurge so maybe they should be accountable. But, hey, I get it, no one on the field should be accountable for not doing the job they are very well paid for…if Freddi says it then it must be so. It’s a sad time in Braves land.

Rufio

June 26th, 2011
9:42 am

DOB……Why didn’t you ask the follow up question……..If you haven’t thought about firing Larry Parish at all ………Why not ???

Show up on time, be knowledgeable, have a good rapport with the players and be organized…….Why don’t you add some goals to the job description for him to achieve like the rest of the people who work for a living must do ??? How about having a combined batting average that is in the top 10 in the NL ?? Freddi you have to give Larry the goal to shoot towards or you wont be able to give him a proper review at the end of the season will you?

Pendleton sure looks good now doesn’t he ?? If we had his numbers from last year now, we would be leading the league………..

FurmanBisher

June 26th, 2011
9:59 am

Pendleton doesnt look, Parrish just looks worse.

ivy

June 26th, 2011
10:00 am

I agree Tim people may get smart with me but I didn’t know we had so many managers and hitting coaches on this blog maybe u guys can have the braves hitting coach job so alexgonzalez can just go up and swing at every pitch! We can’t win every game people it is baseball! If we had better approaches on this team we would save some of the blame for our poor hitting with the exception of Mccann,Freeman, Chipper, and Prado the rest of the guys have horribla approaches

FurmanBisher

June 26th, 2011
10:01 am

Pendleton was a big free swinger when played and so were the players he coached. Get behind and everyone presses, tried to hit it out ala’TP in his heyday. Parrish, jeeze.

FurmanBisher

June 26th, 2011
10:05 am

It doesnt take a hitting coach or manager on this here blog to see that we are the worst, or one of the worst hitting teams in the National League. Say what you will but thats a fact.

Jack Lill

June 26th, 2011
10:15 am

The Braves are the only team in baseball that do not have a general manager. They have someone that carrries the name, but dosen’t know the game

alanfalcon

June 26th, 2011
10:23 am

The bunch of you that were calling for TP’s head last year are now calling for LP’s head this year. The stats last year were bad you say and this year are worst, consider this, just maybe its the players, there are some people that just cannot take suggestions because they already have the answers, then too we could hire Chippers dad and Macks brother and all would be solved.

ivy

June 26th, 2011
10:27 am

Freddie Gonzalez has to know sumthing with this bad offensive team and injury plagued first half. Give the man a break We shouldbe praising him for having us leaders of the wild card because the phillies are not playing too well but just seem to never lose even whenteams have them down in the 9th they always seem to find away and freddi has us right in the thick of things

Steve

June 26th, 2011
10:28 am

Hiring Parrisch was another mediocre move in a long list of mediocre moves by Fumbling Frank Wren.

ivy

June 26th, 2011
10:44 am

In baseball u have to bee bad or mediocre at something! The Orioles have good bats but their pitching ain’t that good the braves are good at pitching I will take that over hitting and we can bring in mickey mantle in to be hitting coach and it won’t lead to much success with all the bad approaches we have in our lineup!

a concerned fan

June 26th, 2011
11:07 am

it does not matter how much you know, how hard you work, or how hard you try, if you dont show success in what you do, then management must take action and fire you. in my opinion,good bye mr. parrish.

IVAN ...

June 26th, 2011
11:11 am

Rather have Parrish than I would Pendleless…..
And like Fredi over Cox also………….

alexcox

June 26th, 2011
12:08 pm

wren conosco halos bravos dede 1990 por 150,00 t pongo a batear con los ojos cerrado a ese equipo

John A.

June 26th, 2011
1:32 pm

I agree with Gonzo on this issue….Parrish is not to blame. These overpaid punks need some ass kicking and made aware that they are in the major leagues. I know there are ballplayers in the minors that would love to quit riding that bus and gets the perks these cry babies get. Start putting the at-bat money they are being paid and watch the results!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brave New World

June 26th, 2011
1:39 pm

If it’s going to be Parrish’s fault for the meager offense thus far, it will be his achievement when the Braves offense gets hot the second half of 2011 and we storm into the playoffs.

RoyU

June 26th, 2011
2:26 pm

That’s great, Freddie!!! How many people will be fired next week in the public sector that “ALSO” do everything you mentioned but unfortunately have been unable to perform the responsibility for which they have been hired? If the hitting coach is only expected to be a nice guy with good human qualities, maybe that’s all you expect fromthe players!!! As long as the players get allong with each other and behave in the clubhouse, what happens on the playing field is not too important!!! Did the Braves hire a manager or just a “Nice Guy”? Maybe Freddie should read a good book on Leo Duroucher!

Braint

June 26th, 2011
3:00 pm

Why do people refer to Fredi as “Freddie?”

VinceVanGo

June 26th, 2011
3:12 pm

There’s two very important things to hitting in baseball. Patience and Selectivity. The more that you rely on those two things the better contact you will make and the higher your average will probably be. Players like Chipper & McCann have proved this for multiple years and even they when they stray from P. & S. see their contact and average suffer. The Braves are overloaded with players who do not consistently practice Patience & Selectivity and that’s a big part of their hitting woes as a team. But a hitting coach can only suggest that approach, not force it upon the players. It’s up to the manager to individually discuss and bench when necessary those players who refuse to listen to the advice of their hitting coach(assuming that Larry Parrish is advising P. & S.). Either way on a refreshing note it’s wonderful to see one player(a rookie), Freddie Freeman who though he struggles sometimes with P. & S. really is attempting to learn the approach and you can see that he’s a better hitter when he does.

Rupert

June 26th, 2011
3:21 pm

I completely understand the argument that the players (hitters in this scenario) play. However, aren’t all coaches ultimately held responsible for the preformance of their players? I mean Fredi’s list of things is nice, from the coach’s perspective, but that’s not what they get PAID to do, or maybe ALL they get paid to do. Certain coaches have unorthodox approaches to techniques, or relationships, but the players preform. So I think he just said something that sounds good, but if it was really true, no coach would ever be fired unless they were a complete jerk. At some point, you have to base the coach’s preformance on the player’s preformance because the coach is paid to make those players preform. If there are other circumstances, you factor those in as well. Again, why the Braves chose a man who had NEVER BEEN A HITTING COACH is beyond me. I like how DOB added the “except for 3 years as a roving instructor” part. That wasn’t fed to him by a Braves PR man was it? Guy gets some heat for poor preformance, poor approach of a decently talented bunch, but because he roved around and may or may not have talked hitting to minor league players, that makes it ok.

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All I'm Saying Is...

June 26th, 2011
3:30 pm

This is so hilarious — most of you folks were calling for Pendleton’s head a year ago (and the year before that).

And many of you used the same reasons (Chipper is coached by his dad, McCann is coached by his dad, TP does nothing, Frenchy and Andruw make the same mistakes at the plate…blah, blah, blah).

Then you finally got your wish with a new hitting coach and guess the blankety-blank what? THINGS ARE WORSE! LOL! In fact, ROTFLMAO!

Obviously, TP was not the problem. The problem is the hitters that haven’t been coached by their dad’s all their lives (people who will always know their swing best) don’t do what Prado does: know the strike zone, take pitches, take a walk, and when you swing make sure you are swinging at strikes.

LET’S GO BRAVES!

RoyU

June 26th, 2011
4:19 pm

Just watched the top of the first inning today and it reflects exactly what our supposed hitting coach is contributing to this team. Nothing!!! We should be able to do better than two foul balls!!! And Freddie is Fredi. What’s the difference as long as we know what we are talking about!!!

David O'Brien

June 26th, 2011
5:21 pm

Huddy got rung up on 8th pitch of at-bat to end the Braves’ fifth. They’ve got but one hit, still no score in game

jeff

June 26th, 2011
6:23 pm

i have never in my life time watch 2 RELIEF pitchers who are kids completely make a fool of a whole Lineup like this Atlanta Braves Lineup today. Its a complete embarrassment and a joke.. yet the Braves coaching staff and management shrug it off like nothing and dont care. I mean when you Have ESPN, the MLB network Fox Sports Etc ripping this team everyday of the week. Show us the Fans that your addressing the serious problem..but no you wont even think about it. Yea thats gonna make fans wanna waste 3-4 hrs of thier day watching this team on tv or even showing up at Turner Field or in Opposing ballparks. not me better things to do.. I mean 1 FREAKIN hit off of 3 relievers . not one so called starter.. its an embarrassment and a joke. but ownership and Wren doesn care.

ijudgenot

June 26th, 2011
6:56 pm

I am starting to agree with those who say Freddi Gonzalez has no clue. He starts 4 left handed batters with the first four batters 3 of them are left handed.Hhe plays another left handed batter(<cLouth) in left when he has Ramirez on bench. He is like Cox relying on his pitching to give him a winning record. Ventors is tierd. had to come back in a day game following a night game.

Philly Phanatic

June 26th, 2011
8:08 pm

Right back at ya. The Pads won todays game the same way the Braves win half of theirs……luck. The bottom line is the final score, I do realize that but things have a way of evening out and if that occurs the Braves will finish playing .500 ball. I thought they were on their way to another today thanks to an error which gave Schaeffer an at bat. You could tell Homer Simpson ( he’s the homiest announcer in the league) thought they were going to pull another out of their ass but justice prevailed. You can’t keep playing with fire (2 hits) and not get burned. 1-4 against the NL’s worst. Phils are 4-0 and we haven’t started hitting yet but like every one of the last 5 years when we do it’s another East Division pennant.

ajcfan1

June 27th, 2011
7:41 am

Pradoshould be hitting coach while he is on DL

Marc Schneider

June 27th, 2011
11:31 am

Has there ever been a Braves hitting coach that fans didn’t want fired? They’ve had about 12. Last year people complained about Pendleton. If the hitters suck, it doesn’t matter who the hitting coach is. Yes, Chipper talks about his dad and so forth. How is Chipper doing this year? McCann has been good regardless of who the hitting coach is. It’s not the hitting coach, it’s the hitters, guys.

bring back blauser

June 27th, 2011
11:43 am

go and get jose reyes. sign him to a long term contract. with his and shafer’s speed they could wreak havoc on the national league. also, braves need to make this move in order to compete with washington in the next few years. philly is on the way out because of their aging players. washington is the rising team. with reyes added along with the pitching and youth we have here now we will also be a force to contend with, now and in the next few years too

Don

June 27th, 2011
11:55 am

So many teams bring up or trade for young players and those players continue to improve significantly as hitters. This has not been true for the Braves and continues not to be true. Just the opposite – they (in many cases) go downhill significantly. This is not to say that Parrish is worse than many, perhaps most hitting coaches. It takes a special talent, and there are not many really good ones – The Braves have not had a really good one in years and years. This is a significant need. It is obvious when our two hitters who have developed over the last many years had to receive assistance from family members.

Don

June 27th, 2011
11:59 am

The Braves cannnot expect to compete (no matter how great their pitching) – when their 3rd place hitter is barely hitting .260 and going downhill — and they are getting terrible production from Right Field and Center Field. – not to even mention 2nd base.

Bill Rea

June 27th, 2011
1:25 pm

When the player signs a Braves contract, it reads that he must promise to forget how to hit. The Mendoza Line shall henceforth be known as the Uggla Plateau, and dropped to .175.
Chipper has reached the point that he would be a far superior hitting coach to Parrish or TP, and would benefit them more than he does at third anymore….Shaffer CF; Prado 3b; McCann C; Hinske LF; Freeman 1b; Uggla 2b; Heyward RF; Gonzales SS; Hudson One way or another save the $$$$$ on Lowe; McLouth; Chipper; and Kawa, then go sign a 25m super star and teach them how to forget hitting.

Braves95

June 27th, 2011
2:10 pm

I almost think Frank Wren brought Parrish in to make us all miss Pendleton – mission accomplished. Now can we end the experiment and please, for the love of God, get rid of Parrish? How do you lose 2 of 3 games to the last placed Padres? You can’t hit the damn ball, that’s how.

Pendleton isn’t great, but he’s light years better than Parrish. And for God’s sake, the marlins hitting coach was fired a few weeks ago – the same guy who helped Uggla hit in the .260’s – can we at least hire the guy for Uggla?

And yes, looking at Parrish’s career numbers should indicate that he was a TERRIBLE HIRE. Wren, you’re amazing…for every smart move you seem to make (Rentaria for Jurrjens) you ruin it with some asinine move like hiring Parrish – and then not canning him when he is clearly the problem with this team!!!!! ARGGGGGG.

frank huff

June 27th, 2011
2:30 pm

seems to me, good hitting begins with manager. too many braves with sub-par averages swing on the first pitch. and mostly the opposing managers seem to know this; so the first pitch may be a fast ball, but the location is not leading to many hits.

does anyone worry about over-using the two young relievers except an old braves fan living in south florida? the young marlin pitchers are not doing well. was it Freddi over-use last year? venters’ game yesterday seemed like over-use. frank huff

FOOT WRIGHT

June 27th, 2011
2:39 pm

Hey i washed my buddy cars for him sometimes and we talk Braves baseball all the time, he’s retired now but this guy the Braves needs to bring back as an consultant just for these occassion.His name is CJ.

Roger

June 27th, 2011
3:55 pm

I once listened to an interview with TP discussing the hitting woes of Andrew Jones. TP said: Andrew I want you to go to other way when a pitcher throws to the outside of the plate, and not pull the ball. This is what you are doing wrong. Andrew acknowledged that he knew, this is what he should be doing. TP then said “Then why are you not doing it, because if you did it would make my job a lot easier”. Looks as if TP was doing a little more than what Freddi stated was required of a hitting coach. Could be Larry Parish is doing no more than what Freddi has described as required for a hitting coach. All this translates into fire LP, bring back TP, and if players don;t react to directives given by coachs then do the same thing with them they did to Andrew. Bench him when he underperforms, and if he refuses then trade him or release him. I know this is not an option with DU but it could help with a lot of the other players.

The Dude

June 27th, 2011
4:46 pm

Come on….not another “Fire the hitting coach” conversation. Didn’t we say the same thing with Pendleton. Maybe it’s not the hitting coach…..maybe the Braves just can’t hit! Prado, McCann, Freeman are doing fine. Chipper is old and aching. McClouth was a flash in the pan in Pitt, Uggla is a lifetime .250 hitter…not to suprising he’s gotten into a slump and can’t get out, and his power numbers aren’t that far off from previous years. Alex Gonzales is hitting about the same he always has. Heyward’s swing isn’t the problem…pitch selection is….takes to many good ones.

Nick P.

June 27th, 2011
5:29 pm

remember how most of you wanted Pendleton fired, well he was moved, so you got your wish, and now look we are worst than before, so please, no more fire this or fire that, BTW, Braves never fire coaches in mid-season, thats just not their organizational style, so he will be there for end of the year, but i gotta say, i agree with Freddie, at the major league level, hitting coaches do not actually teach you to hit, thats on the hitter who has made it through the levels, all coaches do is make suggestions and give tips, its up to each player to listedn and improvise or not, you can force the hitter to do anything, but you can demote him and send him back down up to the first five years!

Vince

June 27th, 2011
7:18 pm

I think we should hire Brad McCann as our hitting coach.

James E. Miller

June 27th, 2011
9:56 pm

From Houston, I have been a Braves fan 45 years, never seen a poorer example of a hitting coach than now. My name is first on the petition to bring back TP.

Dan

June 28th, 2011
10:50 pm

The scary thing is, the Barves hold the WC spot at the moment.. imagine if they get there offence up and running, they will own the NL… I reckon Parrish needs to go, or at least bring in another for assistance.

alexcox

July 4th, 2011
12:53 pm

fans. esclaro no hay ayuda d bateo pero el equipo seria bueno batista, reles protocor y libranic,chiper a oprerarse. y ayuda relevo confiable. sino fuera wren no aprendio nada d js

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