5:45 pm June 24, 2011, by David O'Brien
June 25th, 201111:24 am
Tom – I vote for Lewis Black as host of the game show.
I have my bro in my profile pic now in observance of his b-day today, I’m the one in blue shirt in some of the pics.
June 25th, 201111:27 am
June 25th, 201111:29 am
Mike Berry – I don’t know. There’s lots of time left, but so far we’ve been hearing since the season began that the Braves can’t sustain the pitching – yet they have. Maybe they’re just that good – like some of us claimed all winter long.
June 25th, 201111:30 am
“He is who we thought he was”
Is that a coach Green quote?
But your absolutely right…..
chris – Nothing pops up when I put in barvesfanchris27 – Maybe you could just send a fiend request to Lew Hartman?
And no, I didn’t spell it like that.
June 25th, 201111:31 am
I don’t think we can keep up this pace if we don’t start scoring. Just too much pressure on the pitching staff, too many high-leverage innings on the bullpen.
Now, I’m not giving up… I do think the offense will improve. But if not, it’s gonna be awfully tough to win the 90 or so games needed for the WC.
I have missed only one game this year on tv [I am unable to attend games in person]. Watching all the games I have come to the conclusion that JASON is NOT a good outfielder, at times he really looks lost out there. With the outfielders we have he needs to be in lineup because he he has power and does hit for power once in a while, but not for aveage. On the whole over the past year and a half he has under acieved when in lineup instead of on DL or bench. If Pittsburgh would take him in a strieght up trade for McCutchen I would say YES in a NY minn.
Fiend request? I’m on a roll this morning.
June 25th, 201111:32 am
No Lew. Baseball is not one dimensional. Its two dimensional. You score runs and you give up runs,
If you look at pitching they are 2nd in ERA and 2nd in runs given up. I venture to say that while the hitting has been pretty awful the pitching has been exceptionally good.
The problem is that the one team in baseball with better pitching also happens to be in our division, and while they have struggled on offense a bit as well, they haven’t fallen to the depths to which the braves have.
Looking ahead, the Phillies are kind of hard to gauge. They have bullpen troubles but they’ll find a way to address those. Their offense is improving. Utley has returned to form in June, although the odds of one of their older vets breaking down in pretty high. But there’s not reason to expect the Phillie to falter down the stretch.
The Braves one the other hand, simply can’t hit this poorly all season can they? The Braves offense has to improve, right? Will Heyward finish the year with a .227 average? Uggla, .175?
I think its reasonable to expect the Braves offense to improve a bit in the second half. But right now they have a log way to go even to become a middle of the pack offense. The Braves starting pitching should continue to toe the line, especially with Beachy back and Hanson nearly ready to resume pitching. The Braves bullpen has been exceptional, but it relies so heavily on O’Ventbrel that those guys will be gased by September if the team can’t find a couple of dependable arms.
The Phillies front office will do what it takes to win. They have proven that in the past. Wren has shown a willingness to make trades to bolster his team, but also a great reluctance to deal pitching prospects, and pitching prospects are just about the only thing the team has to offer anyone in a trade right now.
June 25th, 201111:33 am
Wow, these posts are hitting wall of shame caliber. Seriously one bad game and knee jerk posts without any thought process exhibited. Alex Gonzalez too blame, who knew?
June 25th, 201111:35 am
Well Frankie…our most recent game is an excellent indication of how we’ll perform the rest of the season. I’m not looking forward to the 1000 runs we’re going to give up.
June 25th, 201111:37 am
Tom – sorry for the slow response – just returned from a bagel run/Nala walk – we aren’t leaving until 5:00 since I’m working 10-5 at various venues – we’ll be able to listen to the game tonight on the way down (I hope)…
June 25th, 201111:38 am
MikeInFl-what readio station do you catch the games on?
Im just south of Daytona, can never find the games; except on-line
Lowe says the same crap after every start. I’m so tired of watching this bum blow games for this team.
Bobby Hill – I have no idea if they can not hit all year. I’m somewhat shocked they haven’t so far and that Uggla’s bat has been non existent.
My point is that everyone keeps claiming we can’t do it all with pitching, yet halfway through the season, we have. I keep hearing how the pitching can’t hold up, yet it has.
That being said, no one else is doing much better. I watched the past two Phillies’ games and they can’t hit worth a damn, either, yet have the only NL record better than we do. Go figure. Guess what it means is that you can have a deficiency in one aspect of the game if you excel in another phase. The real tell is that lack of offense notwithstanding, the Braves would be in first place in four of the six divisions in MLB.
What? Me Worry? Why?
June 25th, 201111:40 am
How is that an excellent indication to the rest of the season again? Does that mean JJ and Huddy, Beachy and Hanson pitch similar to yesterday’s game? Team ERA goes from overall 3.00 to what?
njbraves – I would imagine you have control of your own remote? Change the channel if you don’t like what’s on.
since I’m working 10-5 at various venues
When you put it that way you sound like a rock star
June 25th, 201111:41 am
Scrub21, I’m in Jax Beach. No radio here; I listen on the mlb 11 package; about $15/year, and works great on my blackberry.
June 25th, 201111:42 am
FRankie – jeffrey d is yanking your chain.
I know Jeffrey, just busting your chops. It’s not all rosy obviously but thankfully not even July yet. Concerns yes, but firmly believe their best baseball is still ahead.
June 25th, 201111:44 am
Friend request sent Lew. Chris Chambers is me. I am still trying to figure facebook out lol.
Tom – sorry for the slow response –
Never a hurry, VJ, especially considering the way I post-and-run.
First row left field, right? Wear some Braves’ gear, maybe we’ll see you on a homer (hopefully, ours).
If you don’t have any Braves’ gear, wear fluorescent pink. That’ll show up just fine.
June 25th, 201111:45 am
The Phillies are doing it with mirrors. They looked horrible yesterday and somehow got the W. You have to give them credit however difficult that is. I still think they are seriously overachieving and will hit a difficult patch. Braves hopefully put it together that same timeframe. We win 6 in a row and the Phillies go on to win 7 in a row. Been that way seems the last couple of years. Course everythime you count the Phillies out they play better as the season progresses so certainly not overconfident right now.
June 25th, 201111:46 am
You know, if getting to the playoffs was the only goal then maybe there would be no reason to worry. I think that the Braves have at least at least a 50/50 shot of making the playoffs without adding a bat.
The playoffs are pretty cool. After all only a handful of teams make the playoffs. But I want a World Series. There’s no way around the fact that the playoffs are kind of crap shoot. But, last year I watched an anemic Braves offense (and Brooks Conrad) lose a very winnable series against the Giants who went on the win the World Series.
June 25th, 201111:49 am
I see that my buddy, Lou Vales, is still being blamed for making up names but turns out other people are being BANNED and it’s not Lou and certainly not myself.
Uggla is still in competition for Worst Starting Position Player in the Majors. He has cinched the WORST Aquisition Award by acclimation.
June 25th, 201111:50 am
Is this guy being for real??
June 25th, 201111:53 am
Joe Simpson was pretty candid about Uggla’s struggles last night and voicing that he needs to change his approach. Not sure I have a announcer being as matter of fact since Skip left. Big Dan giving absolutely no indication that he is ready to bust out. Deja vu with Nate last season, very eerie.
June 25th, 201111:58 am
He’s just auditioning for the blog’s new game show, jeffrey d.
June 25th, 201112:00 pm
Is it Punk’d? Because I feel like I’m being punked by this guy
June 25th, 201112:01 pm
We are not there yet, but the times is comming. What do we do about 2nd base? DAN stiil at .175 BA, Slugging and OPS would be good if he could he for better ave. Over 40% of his hits have been for extra bases, but he has showen no real improvement in BA. When MARTIN gets back, should Braves move him back to 2nd base? Use ERIC in LF, JORDAN CF, JASON RF.
June 25th, 201112:03 pm
Re: the Phillies being doing it with mirrors don’t count your chicken’s. Buster O at ESPN said last night they have inquired about Hunter Pence.
Picture Pence on the Phillies….wait a minute… That coupled with a likely bullpen upgrade and they will be hitting the turbo button in the Braves face.
The Phillies are going to make moves to win a world series the Braves are going to make moves to stay in the WC mix. There is a huge difference in those objectives and the ROI of those types of moves.
Plus if Roy O goes on the 60 day DL they will make a move for a starter.
The Braves lack the money and the willingness to part with prime talent to make those kind of moves.
June 25th, 201112:04 pm
I think that Uggla has five years to work his way out of this protracted slump. They’r not sitting him, not DFAing him and owing him the balance of the $62 mil he’s owed and not trading him (doubt they even could do it).
No doubt he’s done nothing and is not at all what we’ve expected (to this point), but he’s here and he’ll be playing.
June 25th, 201112:07 pm
Uggla is the second baseman right now regardless of Martin comes back(whenever that is). As long as their pitching is keeping them in games and winning he will continue to play. With that said, if for some reason he doesn’t ever snap out of it, I can see them making a change around the end of the deadline. He has the whole month of July to get it going. I definitely don’t want to see Hinske in left field as he is a bigger asset on the bench. He can’t hit .175 through July can he???????
June 25th, 201112:09 pm
Yup you are right and my revised outfield would be all lefthand hitters.
Funny thing is that long term I am not worried about Uggla(maybe that 5th year). I look forward to what he brings next year. He is too good of a player not to produce. Still if it’s August and still in the thick of things, he may be sitting more.
June 25th, 201112:10 pm
Well, as to the Philies getting Pence – will believe it when it happens. Not to mention, he’s listed as doubtful for the next series with a hyper extended elbow and has had back and leg issues this year. He’s certainly NOT going to make Ibanzez more than a .238 hitter or make Howard more consistent.
Kept hearing how much their offense would improve with Utley back – it hasn’t. And now they’ve lost Contreras from their pen and Oswalt from their rotation.
Sorry, but acquiring an injured outfielder isn’t going to make them appreciably better – any more than adding Pence would make the Braves appreciably better.
June 25th, 201112:13 pm
Any word on when Martin might return? Guess Doc Holiday was wrong about the 27th (surprise, surprise) – it ain’t happening.
June 25th, 201112:18 pm
Interesting place, as always. I was amused by the comment that the Phillies have bull pen troubles. They have injuries, yes, but Stutes, Bastardo (2 rookies) and Madsen have all performed very well. They get 7 or 8 innings from the starters and finish out. The Braves bullpen may be better, but the Phillies bullpen has been excellent. They also could have 2 pitchers with 10 wins and one with 9 by their 81st game (half way). They are 6th in the National League in runs scored (the Braves are 11th), first in wins and ERA (this ranking changes day to day with the Braves) and have the fewest errors (33). They seem to be winning with more than mirrors.
Maybe they will collapse, and if they do it will probably be due to injuries, but if they play as well as they currently are, they will be tough to catch. Both the Phillies and Braves would like a right handed hitting outfielder (with power if possible). It’ll be interesting to see who wins this mini-competition. Most of the sentiment here seems to be that the Braves need to play better to catch the Phillies, rather than depend on a Phillies collapse. That is probably true, but if they play at their current level, even if Uggla and Heyward continues to struggle, the Braves are odds on to be the wild card. The competition seems to be in the West, but if you want to bet on a collapse, bet on Arizona. SF should have a record to challenge the Braves, but they are last in runs scored. Much worse than the Braves. SF is the team doing it with mirrors. St. Louis will suffer without Albert, and bad starting pitching (12th in ERA and third worst in runs scored).
I fail to see why Braves fans are so pessimistic. Take a look at the competition. Only the Phillies performance has been superior so far.
June 25th, 201112:19 pm
I fail to see why Braves fans are so pessimistic. Take a look at the competition. Only the Phillies performance has been superior so far.
I’ll refuse to be pessimistic, but I can understand why the doom and gloomers feel that way. This offense couldn’t swing their way out of a wet paper bag.
June 25th, 201112:21 pm
Mark Reynolds batted .198 last season with the Diamondbacks. He hit 32 HR’s and drove in 85. That’s going to be stretch for Uggla this season and unlikely. Not the expectations going into this season for sure.
Hate to say it, but it could be a long time. He still would have to get his legs back to playing shape after healing. Healing he can not run now to stay in shape.
June 25th, 201112:23 pm
jeffrey d -”The offense copuldn’t hjit their way out of a wet paper bag.”
Dude, neither can the Doom and Gloomers. They would sit there and suffocate while complaining there was no way out.
June 25th, 201112:24 pm
I see Uggla batting around 200-210 by season’s end. But he could easily hit 30 bombs still. He’ll help this team, the dude will go on some hot streaks soon.
Now I’m amused thinking of a possible situation that would cause someone to end up in a wet paper bag….
June 25th, 201112:25 pm
DAN is on a pace to hit 21 HRs.
June 25th, 201112:26 pm
George – Yep, that’s pretty well what I tired telling a few here the other day. Doc even claimed it was “only a little cut” that the Doctors made to drain Martin’s infected leg.
Been there myself -it can take people months to recover from these infections. Even with a younger person in good shape and excellent medical treatment, multiple weeks of recovery is not out of the question
I will take a Reynolds like season from him at this point. 30 bombs is going to be difficult unless he gets on a streak very soon.
June 25th, 201112:27 pm
jeffrey d – As usual, cuts to the chase. I’m not sure why anyone would be in a wet paper bag either.
June 25th, 201112:29 pm
….Curtains still dance with the wind and the sky, micromanaging the Braves from a blog gets me high.
He may only be on pace for 21 dingers, but he’s the biggest power threat on the roster and he will not hit like this all year. All it takes is 1 good week where he hits 3 or 4 homers and that pace changes alot.
June 25th, 201112:30 pm
Not a pessimistic guy either but….. If somehow he doesn’t start hitting next month, this team may very well switch gears and look for a corner outfield for this season. Prado moving to 2B and somebody picked up playing LF. CF need changed to a corner outfielder need. Man I hope he starts hitting.
The Phillies are doing it with mirrors. They looked horrible yesterday and somehow got the W. You have to give them credit however difficult that is. I still think they are seriously overachieving and will hit a difficult patch.
I can see the phillies having the best record and winning the division, I also can see them being eliminated in the first round because they really are not that much better than the other playoff contenders in the NL. Only difference is they have beat up on more of the bad teams than the braves but as long as we make the playoffs, I really don’t care if its by wild card or division since we play about the same on the road and at home.
I mean braves fans have seen this story before right? Great play during the regular season, early exit in the playoffs. The phillies remind me more of those teams than a juggernaut that so many in the preseason predicted would have one of the best rotations of all time and be nearly unbeatable.
June 25th, 201112:33 pm
I believe Uggla will hit around 240-250 the rest of the season and provide some pop for sure.
June 25th, 201112:35 pm
We may lose tonight, but tomorrow VJ and cab will be in left field stands and a Brave will hit a HR to them. VJ and cab will bring us luck.
Everytime Uggla comes to bat, I hear The Who’s Won’t get Fooled again tune. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. He looks the same as he did in April.
June 25th, 201112:36 pm
I don’t think the length of the cut means too much. It’s probably the depth of it.
If it has to heal from inside out, that means the surface of the incision won’t heal until last.
And only then well he be able to start getting his legs back into playing shape.
Hell, Uggla could figure it out the 2nd half of the season and have a monster half. He’s been consistant over his career to just play like crap for a full season. Everyone might as well ignore his Stats for the season cause they’ll be terrible no matter what. Uggla could hit 270. with 15 homers in the 2nd half easily if he figures it out.
Provided, of course, that we don’t end up cursing Huddy again. We’ve been his kryptonite so far this season…
June 25th, 201112:37 pm
June 25th, 201112:38 pm
Why are they called stands when they have seats?
If you’re stopping by Cafe 222 in San Diego, I recommend the pork tamales and eggs.
So stuffed, it’s gonna be hard to write a new blog now.
June 25th, 201112:41 pm
Lew…I’m sorry, I didn’t know we weren’t allowed to complain about the fact that Lowe sucks. My bad. Please, enlighten us with more of your remarkable baseball knowledge. Tell us again how the Phillies getting Pence wouldn’t make them much better.
im very very hungry after seeing that picture…..
June 25th, 201112:42 pm
Now thats a meal.
June 25th, 201112:43 pm
Im stilll thinking about peanutbutter and banana stuffed french toast
Ha,ha…DOB, you needed a bigger plate!
Lowe has not sucked.
June 25th, 201112:44 pm
Wll, it’s been delightful, as usual (for the most part). Time to go check out for a while and work on Murph’s Wurlitzer of Nolan Ryan punching out Robin Ventura and maybe listen to some head crunching tunes – maybe some Buck Cherry and Dragonforce.
Later, Oh Reasonable Ones.
June 25th, 201112:46 pm
Is anyone else on here a little worried about Davey Johnson taking over the Nats? The has 1 loosing season in 12 years of managing! The Nats could have only done better by getting Bobby to un-retire and manage the Nats!
Of course getting Pence would make the Phillies better. He is better than either Francisco or Mayberry, but he will be too expensive, unless Houston gives him away. I’m sure they’d rather give away Carlos Lee.
June 25th, 201112:47 pm
Outta here for a bit, hope to be back before game, Have a good afternoon y’ll.
I agree with LEW. I’m glad your not in charge, because Lowe is a big Key to our season and going deep in the playoffs. Hunter Pence would help any offense, but he wouldnt fix a offense. Also as LEW pointed out the guy is having some injury problems.
njbraves – More of my remarkable baseball knowledge? Your feeble mind could not begin to encompass my remarkable baseball knowledge. There is likely no force on earth capable of penetrating your wall of scathing pessimism and cluelessness.
I’m sorry, I didn’t know we weren’t allowed to complain about the fact that Lowe sucks.
Somehow I don’t think its Lowe’s fault we lost that game. The guy got blooped to death and gave up some of the cheapest runs. Jason didn’t help things by not catching that flyout, another Maybin infield hit, than a bloop hit in front of Jason and suddenly its 5 to nothing. Braves had no runs, they scored two when a pitcher not trying to walk someone grooved a pitch to Freddie. Then Ascencio brought the gas and insured that Jonny V and Kimbrel would have an off day. Nice of him to be thinking about his penmates like that, i’m sure they appreciated the extra rest.
June 25th, 201112:49 pm
I knew Lew would do an encore after he saw njbraves post @ 12:41.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 25th, 201112:50 pm
I agree with you re: BMac! Hey, if he could come in 21st in the MVP voting last year, he’s GOTTA be up there this year if he keeps going the way he’s been going, last night exceptionalized…
June 25th, 201112:52 pm
And I’m not saying he was bad last year, but it wasn’t one of his best overall…He was way more deserving of MVP votes in 2006 and 2008, but he got totally ignored…
June 25th, 201112:53 pm
Yup, me too.
June 25th, 201112:55 pm
I really liked your big word [ exceptionalized] in your 12:50 post.
June 25th, 201112:58 pm
Lew…. Actually, I’m not pessimistic about this team all that much. I think they will eventually start to hit. However, Lowe is not important to this teams success one bit. I’d Minor made all of Lowe’s starts for the rest of the year, the team would be no worse off. I just don’t understand why anyone would feel Lowe was vital to this team winning anything. What has he done, outside of the last month of last year?? Of not for great run support his first two years, he would have been lucky to be a.500 pitcher.
June 25th, 20111:00 pm
Hunter Pence has about a 20% chance of being traded. The Astros are under new ownership and trading your best player and face of the franchise wouldnt be too popular as your 1st major transaction. Also to note, Pence is struggling with some injuires so team will be even more cautious. The Astros asking price is pretty big, and I dont see a team matching what they want with the injury issues. Hunter Pence is under team control for I believe the 2012 and 13 seasons. He’s there most popular player. This is totally different from Lance Berkman who was not playing well or near his norm’s and had a 15 mil option for 2011 that they were not gonna do. They traded him for a few prospects it made sense. He will be in trade talks up to the deadline and during the offseason. I do believe he will be traded at some point in time.
As far as the Phillies are concerned they cant add alot of payroll to the roster, they dont have many trade pieces to offer as they have traded away alot of top prospects. Hunter will prolly be making around 10-11 million next season after arbritration most likely.
Astros will be wanting a Major League Ready Starter, along with a top prospect and 1 mid tier guy or a Average MLB outfielder such as John Mayberry.
Brave New World
June 25th, 20111:01 pm
Lowe carried the Braves into the playoffs and was great in the series against the Giants. Don’t know what’s wrong with him in 2011, but this guy has won 15 and 16 games the past two years for us, so I do not understand the animosity towards him. We got killed last night, but I can see the Braves taking the next two with Jurgens and Hudson. GO BRAVES!
June 25th, 20111:02 pm
Considering the tone of some of the comments that survived last night, I feel very fortunate to have missed the deleted ones.
June 25th, 20111:05 pm
I stopped going back to see in-game after a loss but you’ve made me curious Bat. Guess I’ll take a peek.
Derek Lowe’s Braves career…34-28..4.33 ERA..1.428 WHIP…2.4 WAR…Wow, I’m so impressed. Give me a break. The guy just isn’t very good, and definitely not worth the $15 million they are paying him.
June 25th, 20111:06 pm
Also to Note regarding Hunter Pence, not too many teams believe he is a “superstar” or could be the “main man” on a contending team. The Astros are about 3 to 5 years from maybe being in contention. They have one of the worst farm systems. Its key that they trade Pence and Bourn possibly Wandy Rodriguez and Brett Myers to restock there system. Face it. Time to tear it down and rebuild. Shed payroll, get some good prospects, figure out what young major leaguers you want to build around and go with it. They would love to trade Carlos Lee, but they would have to eat a good amount of contract and wouldnt get much in return anyways.
June 25th, 20111:08 pm
Wear a haz-mat suit.
June 25th, 20111:09 pm
Yes he’s over payed. But would you really have been comfortable dealing Lowe this past offseason and banking on Mike Minor? Look what has happened we have had 3 starters go down. It would have been stupid.
I only saw a few of them before DOB deleted some, but my buddy’s kid (TRB), who likes to watch the insanity on the in-game blog, thinks it’s the same dude that has been terrorizing the blog, lately.
The same one that has been using other poster’s names, like bravesgrl4life, cabravesfan, etc.
June 25th, 20111:10 pm
Oh, glad I missed the deleted ones, too…
June 25th, 20111:11 pm
VaBravesfan….Why would it have been stupid? He’s 3-6, you don’t think Minor or Teheran, or Delgado can go 3-6 with an ERA over 4??
June 25th, 20111:14 pm
It must have been a mess. O’Brien wrote he deleted some of JoeBrave’s fouler comments. I guess whatever it was that JoeBrave claimed he had found that would make him a better man, turnover a new leaf, or whatever, wore off.
June 25th, 20111:16 pm
Good grief, insanity galore.
That guy with “who” something’s been stealing names for two weeks now. Glad he was axed.
June 25th, 20111:17 pm
Dude, I wouldnt be comfortable depending on 20 years old…. I’m sure most on here agree with me. Lowe might be overpayed but he does his job. Weve had injuries and would have been screwed. Lowe the old pitcher in the rotation yet he doesnt go on the DL or miss starts? Like JJ,Hanson,Beachy…. Depth is our strength. And as far as im concerned Lowe is huge for the 2011 Braves.
June 25th, 20111:20 pm
Glad to read about hag too. Was worried about him.
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