Mather dropped, Ramirez kept on roster

The Braves envisioned a significant bench role for Joe Mather when they claimed him off waivers from St. Louis in November.

On Tuesday, they designated him for assignment for the second time in four months, which might have ended a Braves career that never took flight except for one memorable weekend in Southern California.

After going 7-for-12 with a homer and five RBIs in three games May 20-22 against the Angels at Anaheim, Mather was 3-for-42 (.071) with two RBIs, four walks and 13 strikeouts in his last 21 games.

When outfielder Nate McLouth came off the disabled list Sunday, the Braves  kept rookie Wilkin Ramirez as a backup outfielder and dropped Mather, who hit .213 with one homer, nine RBI and 23 strikeouts in 75 at-bats.

They have 10 days to trade, release or put him on waivers.

“That was a difficult decision,” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said. “And like I told [Mather], this is not a 15-second decision, because he brings some flexibility, he can play all kinds of different positions. But we’ve struggled swinging the bat.

“We just made the decision to maybe give Ramirez an opportunity to do that job.”

Unlike Mather, Ramirez can’t play first or third base. Ramirez is strictly an outfielder. He has raw power and good speed and has shown something in limited chances in the majors with Detroit and Atlanta, going 5-for-18 with a double, a triple and a homer.

Ramirez had 18 extra-base hits (seven homers) and 21 RBIs in 48 games this season at Triple-A Gwinnett, albeit with a .238 average and .283 on-base percentage. He’s 25, three years younger than Mather.

Because Mather was out of minor-league options, the Brave had to put him through waivers when they cut him near the end of spring training. He cleared and was outrighted to Gwinnett.

In order to outright him to the minors for a second time, the Braves would have to get Mather through waivers and then have him approve the move. He could instead choose to become a free agent if he clears waivers.

The Braves will try to trade him  rather than lose him to a waiver claim.

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Law

June 19th, 2011
8:48 pm

Stan the Man

June 19th, 2011
8:52 pm

Tough break for Joe. Like Crash in the movie, he just couldn’t get the hit(s) he needed to stick around.

adawg1

June 19th, 2011
8:53 pm

get a good utility player with speed and power

chipper zzang

June 19th, 2011
9:10 pm

getting a good utility player with speed and power sounds bery bery bery easy, yeap, fosho

Chop It Up All-Star

June 19th, 2011
9:10 pm

Good luck Joe. Once a Brave, always a Brave in my eyes.

NorCal Brave

June 19th, 2011
9:11 pm

What else ya gonna do with a guy hitting .071 the past month and who whiffs once every four trips to the plate. The team has too many underachievers as is.

Bryan G.

June 19th, 2011
9:18 pm

Mather, like Diory, Young, and Hicks is a AAAA player – maybe too good for AAA, but not good enough for the big club

scoozy

June 19th, 2011
9:20 pm

Maybe they can package Nate & Mather,and cash for a real OF. Let’s face it, Nate isn’t exactly Willie Mays out there himself…

Razor Ramone

June 19th, 2011
9:23 pm

Joe could always turn to doing tv commercials. “Joe Mather really likes the way Barbasol shaving gel lathers.”

worm

June 19th, 2011
9:26 pm

It doesn’t Mather!

Ramone Razor

June 19th, 2011
9:27 pm

Maybe not Razor, just a good shaver.

Razor Ramone

June 19th, 2011
9:28 pm

Enter your comments here

TommyJack

June 19th, 2011
9:34 pm

Pretty fair player. Will catch on.

Wooly Loinz

June 19th, 2011
9:45 pm

Can somebody tell me what Fredi does besides just write out the line-up and make basic changes like pinch-hitting,relief pitching ? What retard would move an .081 Uggla up from 5th to 2nd in the line-up ?

old timer

June 19th, 2011
10:17 pm

Trade him for Pujols.

homerun

June 19th, 2011
10:18 pm

mmmmm i prefer matt young than wilkin ramirez…. young knock a hit in 5 games in a row in one point…. and young play OF and 2nd base too…

send down wilkin and call up young again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

homerun

June 19th, 2011
10:19 pm

sorry “old timer” pujols leave the game today with wrist injury

Tyler

June 19th, 2011
10:38 pm

He only had 2 hits today wooly, like to see you even make contact

Bill

June 19th, 2011
10:46 pm

Good call…………..

David Shepherd

June 19th, 2011
10:51 pm

Tyler, I believe Wooly was referring to F Gonzalez, not F Freeman. Kind of a dilemma for the outfield situation unless Nate is somehow packaged in a trade.

BravesFAN

June 19th, 2011
11:22 pm

Can somebody explain why a .238 AAA OF hitter got the call up but Jose Costanza hitting above .340 playing in the outfield as well is still in AAA??? They play on the same team, both play in the OF. The only differences is Costanza HITS THE BALL and steals bases (18 sb) and Wilkin does NEITHER!!!!! Atleast call up Matt Young he started getting a few hits here and there, Wilkin is just plain awful…It makes no sense why Costanza sits in AAA leading the league in batting avg while his fellow outfielders hit .250 AND UNDER AND GET CALLED UP TO THE MAJORS. Not to mention Costanza is the only one w legitimate stolen base speed and has far more stolen bases than the rest COMBINED. Why not give the guy hitting in the .340’s WITH SPEED A SHOT??? IT CAN’T GET ANY WORSE FRANK WREN AND FREDI YOU FLIPPIN IDIOTS!!!!

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jd

June 19th, 2011
11:58 pm

Constanza is not on the 40 man roster… the braves cannot call him up if he isn’t on the 40 man roster. Wilkins Ramirez is on the 40 man. So he gets the call

who dat

June 20th, 2011
12:02 am

BravesFAN

June 19th, 2011
11:22 pm

YOU ASK THIS OR ANOTHER MORON ASK THIS EVERY F TIME.LISTEN U F IDIOT!!!CONSTANZA IS NOT ON THE 40 MAN ROSTER THATS WHY HE SITS AT AAA.YOU OTHER MORONS GOT IT?EVRY F BLOG SOME IDIOT MAKES THIS BS CASE ABOUT CONSTANZA.KNOW THE DAM FACTS OTHERWISE STFU LOSERS

who dat

June 20th, 2011
12:03 am

Enter your comments here

rob

June 20th, 2011
12:08 am

why is gearin not pitching? drives me nuts.

rob

June 20th, 2011
12:12 am

and matt young is the one who should still be up from AAA- he actually had more stolen bases than shafer. speed is what we need, especially in a pitch runner in all these late inning games

wjones

June 20th, 2011
12:20 am

Matt Young has to stay down for 10 days, unless there is an injury.

gcs

June 20th, 2011
12:30 am

Yes, Mr. Wren. That was a great plan.
There was a darn good reason St. Louis waived him.
Good luck wherever you land, Beaver.

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billmaier

June 20th, 2011
12:31 am

ooh constsnza is not on the 40 man roster– golly gee– we are all so stupid– he could be moved to the 40 man roster since i belive we still hve two openings on it or maybe thre when matehr is take off- golly gee some other could come off the 40 man roster, too golly gee- know the damn facts also it is simple to move constanxa to the 40 man roster- should be hecould be moe up– but maybe golly gee that maked too much damn sense– -

frank wren

June 20th, 2011
12:42 am

none of you realize what it is like to be gm– you have to make some tough decisons-and know you players– it was like poolin my own teeth to let mather go by golly we can stillsign him whne everoyone elsep asses we still think jhe van still help us– did scott proctor that way twice- i working on that right hand power- jeremaind dye- i can get him cheap and makje it imopossibl for him to get his incentives- look batting 350 times the rest of the yeatr at lease 20 hrs 70 rbis– and sigh dontrelle willis ti help our oithing staff- i can outsmart all the gm like id di this off season- non have been a bust- have faith

MariettaDerek

June 20th, 2011
1:08 am

Good call, Wren!

NickB

June 20th, 2011
4:29 am

If you remove someone from the 40 man roster they become available in the rule 5 draft(and depending on service time I think they can become free agency available) so it’s not as simple as “moving someone off the 40 man roster for Costanza”… However, if Mather gets traded,outrighted…etc I wouldn’t be suprised to see him added (once again if the big club deems it a neccessity and he’s about to lose his rule 5 protection due to service time in the minors)…. There’s a lot more involved in baseball operations than just calling guys up,sending em down and making trades ya know!! There are tons of rules and regs regarding all of this stuff and a GM has to maintain a balance on his 40 man roster to cover players that will be on the normal rotation of callups due to injuries as well as protecting the young prospects of the future. If adding a hot bat from AAA to the 40 man so he can fill in for 2 weeks ends up costing you a spot to protect a future star later…. well THAT would be terrible managing!!

Michael Ellaville

June 20th, 2011
7:32 am

the move of Uggla to the 2 hole was an attempt to get an All-Star plyer back in the groove.I think it is working out, and Freddi is a chip off the Ol’Bobby

TheAntiMe

June 20th, 2011
7:37 am

If Jordo can keep getting on base and we can get Prado back and with Chipper chipping in in the clutch then it could get interesting before it’s over. The young guys (Heyward and Freeman) are naturally going to be struggling with consistency but I believe that they will get on a roll here and there – especially Freeman when he stops trying to hit the ball to Jasper every AB.

When a manager is forced to go to a Mather with the game on the line (who unfortunately is no Eric Hinske) or Matt Young because all of your hitters are dinged up then it’s hard to expect much of anything good to happen. I’m glad we have Brooksy off of the bench but don’t let him go near the infield with any type of glove (since, of course, he doesn’t wear batting gloves). :)

Come on Guys

June 20th, 2011
7:44 am

Maybe Wilkins is being showcased for a trade, anyway good move with Mather.

IHEARTCARROLL

June 20th, 2011
7:52 am

NickB

Thanks for the explanation without yelling or calling anyone stupid. And before 4:30 in the morning.

Trojan

June 20th, 2011
7:55 am

I would rather lose Wilken and give Constanza a chance than to let a speedy player that can actually hit not be used.

Why sign him if you can never use him? Our season is going down the toilet and we are worried about the 40th man on the roster?

vermont 39

June 20th, 2011
7:58 am

GO BRAVES!!!
Hit the ball; catch the ball; throw strikes…pretty simple.

alex

June 20th, 2011
8:00 am

Mather is not an MLB player
@who dat, your comments and communication “skills”are of sewer quality,why don’t you crawl back in…
@TheAntiMe: agree but chipper is getting hurt more and more often,completely unreliable;any way of putting a package together to get Wright from the mets?
Uggla is now performing as a career .250 hitter(last year was unusual) ,overvalued!

phil

June 20th, 2011
8:20 am

What a good riddance dumping Joe Lathered….the only thing worse than him most games is Uggly, but obviously we’ve got to hang onto him…I can’t wait for a few more months of Uggly’s wild, helpless swings.

The Squaw

June 20th, 2011
8:57 am

Winning streak of ONE . . . Braves do war dance, strain obliques and abductors . . . day-to-day . . . lose six . . . BIG Chief watch

Redwave

June 20th, 2011
9:05 am

I think the writing ability on this blog is dropping faster than the Braves batting averages. Some of these posts are unreadable. Did everyone pay attention during English class while in school? If you did I “tip my cap” to you.

John A.

June 20th, 2011
9:15 am

Buy releasing Mather all we have now are two guys that hit on occassion. McLouth has a weak arm, weak bat, and rarely can be counted on for a clutch hit. How was the team improved?

John A.

June 20th, 2011
9:32 am

For those of you who continue to slap Frank on the back for being a stellar GM, I hope you have fun sitting in the stands with the Braves team watching the World Series. But Frank a hotdog and a beer too!!!

alex

June 20th, 2011
9:36 am

@redwave: Oh thank you, cicero…..

TheAntiMe

June 20th, 2011
9:40 am

Thanks, John A., for your comedy routine. It’s always cool to have someone who can make me laugh, especially on a Monday.

JoeBravesFan

June 20th, 2011
10:29 am

I’m glad…he’s one of those guys when you see him walking to the plate, you know that’s basically a guaranteed out. While he IS flexible in what positions he can play defensively, we need hitting BADLY right now, and he was NOT providing that.

phil

June 20th, 2011
11:22 am

yes…like the rest of our hitters too, exceptions McCann and Chipper, when he can play…

Ted M

June 20th, 2011
11:34 am

How’s Prado doing? Is he losing weight and strength? I bet he is.

DE Braves Fan

June 20th, 2011
12:08 pm

Right now there are 39 spots on the 40-man. The one remaining spot? Goes to Moylan since he is due back mid-Aug no reason to put Constanza on just to take him off again. Also no Mather is not part of that 40-man.

MAC

June 20th, 2011
12:52 pm

So, I could see Nate taking LF while Martin is out. Then when Martin comes out, he takes back LF. He will also spell Chipper at 3, Uggla at 2, FF at 1, giving those guys sporadic breaks, which we all know they need…. This will give Nate some playing time, then he will sit bench when Martin is back in LF.

Ronald Millsaps

June 20th, 2011
1:03 pm

Rumor has it that Atlanta’s shopping for a slugger. With all due respect to Larry Parrish, I think the answer first should be to get a new hitting coach and see if that’ll fix the problem. If it is, you can avoid making a trade/signing.

The Braves don’t get a lot of hits or runs, and we’re over 45% through the season. The problem won’t solve itself, and there hasn’t been a lot lately to indicate that the problem will be solved. Granted, Fredi is to blame also for his letting Chipper decide where he’s going to bat, but Chipper at “three” isn’t the main part of the problem, it seems. No one is hitting that well. Prado has dropped off a bit from last year. Uggla has fallen off a cliff, and collectively, the offense lacks chemistry. As I said before, it has more total acids than total bases.

Who would I hire to fill in? I’d ask Jeff Treadway to exit the booth and do so. I’d even offer it to Chipper’s dad. I’m blamed serious.

Ronald Millsaps

June 20th, 2011
1:25 pm

Fredi is at a disadvantage since he doesn’t have a catalyst like Hanley Ramirez here (Jose Reyes is about to become a free agent), and he doesn’t have the pop up and down the order that he had in Florida, but still, he’s part of the blame. He should’ve tinkered with the lineup more by this point.

Derek Lowe needs to step it up.

Quit playing scared of AL teams. I’ve noticed this about Atlanta ever since interleague play began.

Mark (another one)

June 20th, 2011
2:33 pm

DFA’ing Mather has opened a 40 man roster spot, but the Braves need to be careful. If Mather claims an injury, he would be automatically given a roster spot until the injury is dealt with. If the Braves had filled the spot, they would need to drop someone. That might be costly.

Also, if the Braves are looking to trade, having an empty spot might be an indicator that they are looking to trade non-roster players for someone to help the major league club. They would need the extra 40 man roster space for their new player. If we can package some of our minor league depth for a major league outfielder, the roster details might be important.

Ben

June 20th, 2011
2:46 pm

Has anyone else noticed that Jeff Francoeur would be leading the baraves in RBI’s right now???

Dr. Phil

June 20th, 2011
2:49 pm

Mather will probably end up batting .280 at KC.

Deal or No Deal

June 20th, 2011
4:14 pm

Package Uggla & Mather in a 2-for-1 trade to bring back Omar Infante.

Mark (another one)

June 20th, 2011
4:28 pm

Deal or No Deal: Why would we trade for a utility infielder with 1 HR in over 300 plate appearances? Uggla has 9 in 270. Omar has some marginally better numbers but Uggla has much more potential, especially OPS.

alexcox

June 20th, 2011
5:47 pm

insisto el problema es en la menores y el equipo grande los instructores son flojos mi premisa va en el ejemplo de teixera cuando estuvo con los bravos el bateo fue menor y desde el cambio con los otros equipo sus numeros son mas productivo y otro ejemplo el de jones el papa desde afuera le dio un ajuste y ledio un benefisio y si le falta al equipo jose reyes , hunter bulford o adams y otro lansador como santana delos marineros

alexcox

June 20th, 2011
5:51 pm

y otro consejo pongan a uggla en 8 ledio resultado alos gigantes con codi ross

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