1:47 pm May 31, 2011, by Carroll Rogers
May 31st, 20111:52 pm
Dan Uggla should be hitting 7th or 8th today….let’s see what Fredi does.
May 31st, 20111:59 pm
First, let me say that Schafer is the only POTENTIAL leadoff hitter on the roster. If Chipper had to tell him what I already knew- hit the other way. put ground balls to the left side, etc., etc.,- who in the heck is coaching these people?
May 31st, 20112:03 pm
Jurrjens has been straight up dominant. I can’t remember being so confident the Braves were going to win on days when a certain pitcher pitched.
May 31st, 20112:06 pm
love to see some smallball today. hey uggla, look for a breaking ball ang go to right field for the love of pete
May 31st, 20112:07 pm
Thanks for the work CR.
May 31st, 20112:12 pm
Taken from the other blog:
Murph, if you think bad luck isn’t real, call it something else. Crushing a ball right at the secondbaseman or a grounder that finds a glove instead of a hole in the defense is something.
Ok, I’ll call it “what actually happened” instead of “luck”.
The pitcher throws the ball and sets into action a series of physics-based events… the spin of the ball, the velocity it’s thrown with, the point of contact with the bat, the speed of the bat, the angle of the swing, the elevation, the humidity, the wind speed… they all affect where the ball is going to go.
There isn’t some magical hand reaching down from the heavens guiding a bat or keeping a 2nd baseman from starting his dive for a ball up the middle until it’s too late. There’s a guy with a bat swinging at a ball.
Belief in luck or that some outside mythical force dictates where a hit ball goes is just dumb. Especially for someone who spouts stats all day like they are gospel… to then profess your belief in luck in the same breath just makes your arguments all the more hypocritical and baseless.
Gil In Mechanicsville
May 31st, 20112:13 pm
Lew, I have to agree with you on Uggla’s mechanics. He is such a strong guy, you would think he would realize he has enough power to hit the ball a long way with those massive forearms of his. He has become almost Scott Thorman like in the “big whooshing” sound his bat makes with that long swing of his.
Carroll, thanks again for all your good work. Yes, it is a sad day when you lose a franchise but it is the way of the world. Follow the money. Got to remember, the Braves were once in Boston, Milwaukee.
I still miss hockey but then, I miss watching the Braves minor league players as they develop too.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
Thanks for the new Blog, Ms. Rogers.
Since then, Uggla is 4-for-47 (.085) with no one RBI in 13 games. He has no extra-base hits in that span and nine strikeouts.
Only 9 K’s in 13 games…? Wow…not nearly as many as I would have thought.
Murph – But when all of those physical forces come into play in just the right way, you’re a lucky person.
May 31st, 20112:14 pm
Nick N Richmond
I agree that Uggla needs to be lower in the lineup. I think hitting him 8th for a few days may help. It worked for Nate, so who knows.
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
May 31st, 20112:15 pm
Vote Dan Uggla for all-star………..
Belief in luck or that some outside mythical force dictates where a hit ball goes is just dumb
Sheeeesh! The baseball gods are going to be angry with you Murph.
May 31st, 20112:16 pm
Hit Uggla 4th
Surprising he has like a .300+ avg. hitting there.
May 31st, 20112:17 pm
Maybe Uggla can hit tenth.
One Time's got no case
The Braves offense needs a prescription for some 36 hour Cialis injected into it….because it is pretty impotent.
May 31st, 20112:18 pm
…to answer your question, perhaps NO ONE is coaching these guys….OR… perhaps those coaching (can you spell hitting coach?) don’t have any more of a clue than the players who are struggling…
…or another possibililty is that the staff is just incompetant…..
…or that the players are the problem…….
hmmmmmmmmmm…..wonder if that might just be the case here?????
Lee in S GA
Before the season began some thought, including myself, Jair Jurrjens may be trade bait during this season. Now I would say he is untouchable for this season anyway. If the Braves do decide to move him next season (which I hope they don’t) because of his agent or whatever other reason his trade value should be sky high.
May 31st, 20112:19 pm
If Chipper had to tell him what I already knew- hit the other way. put ground balls to the left side, etc., etc.,- who in the heck is coaching these people?
Probably folks who know that there is more to life than being Juan Pierre.
Something to ponder while waiting for tonight’s first pitch…
In yesterday’s game, when Huddy made the throwing error to second base that ultimately led to a run scoring, should that still be called an unearned run?
It’s not the same as when a position player makes an error and it leads to a run scoring. The pitcher had nothing to do with the play so it should properly be called an unearned run.
But in this case, it was Tim’s fault – and he’s the pitcher – shouldn’t he be charged with the run?
I’m just sayin’…
Braves4life Hit Uggla 4th Surprising he has like a .300+ avg. hitting there.
Our last couple of managers haven’t really been into the whole hit-him-in-the-spot-in-which-he’s-done-much-better thing the last few years when in comes to the cleanup spot…
But I’m not complaining about what BMac’s done lately…
May 31st, 20112:20 pm
Nice camera reflection in Heyward’s glasses. I didn’t know Roseanne Barr was at Turner Field, yesterday.
Headline after yesterday’s game: “Once again, Atlanta’s inability to muster offense proves the difference in loss to San Diego.”
Headline for today’s blog: “Braves aim for flourish finish to strong month of May”.
Sounds like a Chip Carey soundbite: “McCann’s throw was on time, but late”.
Well, got to admit that limp bat syndrome hasn’t been mentioned before. Hell – at this point………….maybe anything’s worth a try.
Murph, just in case you didn’t catch my comment on the last blog…
Luckily my truck ran out of gas before I could arrive at the building.
May 31st, 20112:21 pm
Unfortunately, if they get into a hot streak offensively for more than four hours……
May 31st, 20112:22 pm
It’s only a matter of time before our bullpen starts to really break down health wise. Every game (even the ones we lose) are low-scoring, nail biters. If our impotent, limp noodle offense doesn’t find a way to get aroused…..dont be surprised to see Venters or Kimbrel wake up one morning with tendinitis in their shoulder or elbow.
You’d be surprised how often YOUR name comes up at our house during the Braves games when BMac doubles or homers. Hubby is starting to feel like he “knows” you a little.
May 31st, 20112:23 pm
May 31st, 2011
Amen to that… even our high school kids know that stuff – it’s Baseball 101, for Pete’s sake!!
May 31st, 20112:24 pm
Just Pat – Yeah, McFann is even mentioned in my will.
May 31st, 20112:26 pm
Welllllll……haven’t gone quite THAT far!
McFann, with the way Mac has been hitting, its all the more reason to hit Uggla in front of him, so he gets better pitches to hit.
May 31st, 20112:28 pm
No, no, no….like Lew’s “limp bat syndrome” MUCH better than limp noodle.
May 31st, 20112:29 pm
Bill, that wasn’t my comment, my friend. It was made earlier, and I was responding to it. In fact, disagreeing with the earlier assertion, in a way.
Dan needs to shave the faux hawk and have the rest of the guys that have followed him like sheep to shave theirs as well. That will break the jinx.
As good a move as any. Carroll, please pass that along to the clubhouse. Remind them that live chickens may be next, if this doesn’t work.
May 31st, 20112:30 pm
Bill Malone………havent you been on here long enough to know that according to many on here….a Braves manager’s job isnt to teach the fundamentals of the game to Major League players. It’s to make sure that there is good chemistry in the clubhouse.
I think CR kinda, sorta covered that in the blog with Chipper’s comment about everyone “assumes” a lead-off or #2 hitter “knows” what they should do (plus somewhere along the line referencing JS’s tendency to get a little home run crazy every once in a while after his first major league at bat). They probably should, and probably DO know, but get sidetracked by their call up, maybe.
May 31st, 20112:31 pm
Dan needs to shave the faux hawk and have the rest of the guys that have followed him like sheep to shave theirs as well. That will break the jinx.
May 31st, 20112:33 pm
Joe…..perhaps what these guys collectively need to do is arrange a “slump buster” to entertain them for the night. I’m sure that there are some heffers on this blog who would gladly volunteer for the “honor”.
Struggla needs to be hitting for the Thompson’s Sporting Goods team right now, not in the 7 or 8 hole for the Braves.
Time to move Prado back to second and put either Hinske, Mather or Heyward (whenever he’s ready) in the corners. If Struggla showed any signs of snapping out of it, maybe you let him swing his way back into a groove. But there are no such indications. Fraudi has to make a difficult choice and soon. Because the longer this team goes without scoring runs, it’s not the starters who will suffer, it’s the bullpen, because they will log more and more innings in more and more extra inning games.
May 31st, 20112:34 pm
Murph, okay, so don’t call it “luck.” Call it something different when bounces don’t go your way. Also, no one said it was some mystical force. Luck is simply a term for things out of a player’s control. If you don’t like the word “luck,” call it something else.
But crushing a ball right at a fielder or hitting grounders at fielders instead of right out of there reach isn’t make believe. Sometimes a player does what he should and ends up making an out and vice versa. That happens. I understand it’s not some magical, mystical force (who said it was) but it does happen.
That’s a lot of what’s going on with Uggla. Just like age, that’s not the only reason his stats don’t look so good, but that’s a significant factor. Call it what you will. Just please don’t put words in my mouth about “luck” equaling a magical, mystical force because I never said anything of the sort.
May 31st, 20112:35 pm
Dentz, get a new IP, did you?
scoots – Strange how it only takes a single post to recognize that particular misanthrope.
May 31st, 20112:36 pm
So,mr. ncscoots,have you made millions in your career?
I hear you ncscoots and others, but what if the faux hawk is working for players other than Uggla? Schafer is having a good start. Chipper and Martin have a game-winner apiece in the last few days
Did Bill use the dreaded “I’m just sayin” at the end of his post? Good thing DOB has the day off or he’d hit you so hard you’d wake up as a Mets fan.
Braves have 4 legit allstars: Prado, McCann, Venters, JJ. There should be a congressional inquiry if any are not on team.
Anyone seen Ward lately?
May 31st, 20112:37 pm
If I was manager for a day I would:
Realize that second base has been troublesome for the Braves ever since they traded Kelsco to the Padres for a second baseman they released in less than one season. Guiles was on roids, Johnson couldn’t hit, Prado was an all-star and they moved him to left, Infante was an all star so they traded him, Conrad could not catch and now Uggla cannot hit.
It is simple, move the only complete second baseman they have Prodo back to second and give Uggla a chance to recover his mojo in left field. Maybe the move will take the pressure off. It is sad to see them pitching around everyone to get to Uggla.
I would also get thrown out of the game it worked for Bobby.
I guess Hank Aaron was lucky to hit all those home runs! I guess Maddux and Glavine were very lucky to win 300 games!
May 31st, 20112:39 pm
Joe’s right !!!…..
…let’s hear it for an unemployed barber to have free reign in the clubhouse!!!!
I think you folks would be really surprised at what professional baseball players don’t know. Little things like throwing to the wrong base or forgetting how many outs there are or what good fundamental baseball is really all about.
A lot of these kids are used to being the best player on the field, a lot of them are stunned to learn there are other guys just as good or better than they are playing the game.
I have seen more than my fair share of minor league games and the two things that always struck me as being the biggest difference between minor league and major league games are 1) pitching 2) the speed of the game and 3) the quality of the umpiring. That last one seems to be leveling out as more and more major league umpires appear to get it wrong. Of course, getting to see a play in super slo motions 10 times from five different camera angles might have something to do with that.
Indeed, I have. I doubt I’ve made as much as Juan Pierre, but I’ve got a better arm and probably can still out-hit him.
Freddie Freeman was one of those who “followed” him. Want HIM to shave, too?????
May 31st, 20112:40 pm
Murph, also, I think people who have an in-depth understanding of stats understand more than perhaps any group of fans how randomness and luck play a role in sports. Stats are there to give you an idea of a player’s skills. They can’t tell you how or when the skills are going to lead to good results. I realize to a large portion of the baseball and sports fan base a player can perfectly control when he succeeds and fails. To a large portions of sports fans, success always equals doing something right and failure always equals doing something wrong. There is no randomness. If a player puts a perfect swing together and hits the ball really hard, right at a fielder and makes an out, he was obviously doing something wrong…that’s the way a lot of sports fans, perhaps most, look at things.
In fact, disagreeing with the earlier assertion, in a way.
I cringed a little when I read it. At one point in his career, Jordan showed some decent power potential, and I hope he hasn’t give up on that completely. In the few times I’ve been able to see him in this most recent call up, I have been impressed with his ability to work his way on base. That walk the other day in front of Prado’s HR was damned impressive, but I would certainly like to be impressed with a few more doubles and such as well.
May 31st, 20112:42 pm
For the record, Juan Pierre has been paid (notice, I did not say, “earned”) $46MM over his ML career. I’m probably short of that, just off the top of my head and without checking all my tax returns.
May 31st, 20112:43 pm
I agree a leadoff hitter with power would be nice but mostly I just want the leadoff hitter to get on base. We have had so many solo home runs that would be especially nice if someone was on base to increase the run total and try to avoid these two run affairs.
Okay, that was three… see how easy it is to lose track. I rest my case…
Sweet Old Buck
I applaud Schafer for asking and Chipper giving it to him straight. I wonder if anyone is volunteering tough love talk instead of waiting for someone to ask. Seems like its needed, as in Fredi to Uggla.
May 31st, 20112:44 pm
46 big ones,mr scoots. Don’t you forget it either. No porn involved like your “career”.
May 31st, 20112:45 pm
Danga – Schafer’s problem wasn’t having power hindering him as a lead off hitter, it’s swinging for the fences instead of just letting the power happen that makes the difference.
“Luck is probability taken personally. It is the excitement of bad math.”
May 31st, 20112:47 pm
I was listening to the comment about how Wilpon was dissing David Wright. I think he would be a great addition for the Braves to take Chipper’s place. Too bad the logistics of it all will not work out.
It’s going to be tough for Marteen to score enough votes to make it to the All-star game as an outfielder but I wonder if Bruce Bochey would consider him as the “super utility guy”?
Well, I never judge a man by what he does for a living, Juan.
Bob the Blogger
May 31st, 20112:48 pm
I agree with your comment. Although hearing it from Chipper may carry more weight than a coach or manager, their should have been (and maybe there was) a conversation between Schafer and his AAA manager outlining exactly what he should work on in order to make his way back to the majors.
May 31st, 20112:49 pm
Yeah, what Uggla needs is Fredi walking up to his locker – in front of the entire team- and telling Dan that he sucks and better get his sh!t together.
Somehow, – just a thought here -I think Uggla’s already aware.
I don’t buy into the idea of people hitting better in one place in the order than another. Many of the stats are for too small a sample space to be regarded as meaningful. The idea that McClouth hits better in the # 8 spot than elsewhere is based on a 2 week hot streak once he moved there. Since that time his average has again declined independently of where he was batting. There is a big difference between what is expected of a leadoff hitter and a number 4 hitter, but the difference in what is expected from a 4, 5, or 6 hitter is pretty much the same thing. Uggla’s relative success as a #4 hitter is probably due to the fact he hasn’t hit in that spot very often. Given his current approach, a location in the batting order is not going to mgically correct his swing.
Heisenberg, as much as we all love Prado there is no way he is an All Star and rightfully not.
Well, I’m certainly flattered!
Honored to be mentioned in Lew’s will…though that isn’t something I think about constantly… Obviously I don’t mean that in a mean way…
Interesting point…and it’s weird, ’cause when we got Uggla, I wanted him behind BMac to give Brian good pitches to hit…
May 31st, 20112:50 pm
Porn????? Hmmmmmm….what ELSE aren’t you telling us?
May 31st, 20112:51 pm
Just Pat, I believe Juan was mistaken in his assumption, that’s all. Probably not all that familiar with the porn industry, given his arm strength and all.
You answered my question about the number of extra inning games the Braves have played this year before my asking it. Thanks! This must be some kind of record in the making…
Schafer off to a good start? What’s the definition of a good start? Other than his .433 OBP (which I would consider good)……he has 1 extra base hit in 24 at-bats (.333 slugging pct), while being 0 for 2 in stolen base attempts.
Juan Pierre has a career .364 slugging pct. If Schafer is off to a “good start”….then what will his stats be when he starts to struggle?
Other than being able to draw a walk, he has almost as many walks (6) as hits (7)…..I dont see Schafer doing anything out of the extraordinary. That throw he made yesterday trying to double the Padres runner off 2nd was McNoodle like….as well as the throw he made to home trying to nail that same runner on the base hit.
I dont know about some of you….but my definition of “good” or “great” differs from what’s being said about Schafer so far. It’s like some of you are so desperate to believe in any kind of savior for our erect-challenged offense.
I’ve said it 500 times now… This team needs S – P – E – E – D. The post-’roid age in baseball now requires turning walks and singles into doubles and triples by stealing bases. The Braves can no longer wait for the 3 run blast to save them anymore.
May 31st, 20112:52 pm
McFann – Just as long as you don’t use your Baby Sitting money to hire a hit man.
May 31st, 20112:53 pm
Uggla – .178, 7 Hr, 15RBI…….KJ — .224, 9 HR, 22 RBI……Maybe AZ would like to swap out 2nd baseman. (Just kidding but all I’ve heard the first 2 months is how badly KJ has been in AZ. Could you imagine how many more runs or wins we’d have if Uggla added .50 points to his BA and a couple more HR and RBI?
May 31st, 20112:54 pm
Definition of a “good start” is dependent upon what is expected of you. For a lead-off guy it would be On Base Percentage. Schafer has certainly performed in that department. It is going to be tough for McLouth to win his spot back. For some reason Nate looks lost when playing left field and does not have the arm to play right.
May 31st, 20112:55 pm
One Time’s got no case, BTW, Ed Whitson got better after age 32!
I think that Jordan being compared to Nate was the meaning of being off to a great start. (But guess I shouldn’t put words into another poster’s mouth.)
Dan Uggla could very well be our Ed Whitson.
May 31st, 20112:56 pm
Baseball prospectus/Marc Normandin August 8,2007
Dan Uggla was a surprise to basically everyone who heard he was the Marlins starting second baseman at the outset of 2006. He has managed to outperform expectations two years running, and given his ability to hit for power, may continue to do so for a few more years. No matter what happens, Uggla has already turned a poor minor league career into two productive years in the majors filled with bigger paychecks and deserved recognition. Whether that will last much beyond age 30 given his skill-set is another issue, but knowing the Marlins and their frugal ways, at least it won’t be their issue to deal with.
Speaking of seeeing into the future…
May 31st, 20112:57 pm
One Time — Schafer off to a good start? What’s the definition of a good start? Other than his .433 OBP (which I would consider good)……
.433 OBP good? Uh, yea, that’s really really good. His job is to get on base and score. Period.
May 31st, 20112:58 pm
Bill Malone: “In yesterday’s game, when Huddy made the throwing error to second base that ultimately led to a run scoring, should that still be called an unearned run?”
I’ve often asked myself the same question. The best response is that ERA is supposed to be a measure of how well you pitch, and the fact that you make an error doesn’t affect that. Of course, ERA is a completely imperfect measurement of how well you pitch — frequently, it depends on how well the guy AFTER you pitches after you get yanked with the bases loaded. And if a fielder makes an error on the third out, you could give up 10 home runs in a row and they wouldn’t count against you (although wouldn’t you just have given them up the next inning?). For a starter, however, there’s the expectation that, over the long run, these types of things even out, and ERA is a reasonably good (though maybe not the best) indicator of your effectiveness.
Now for relievers, especially the kind who don’t pitch complete innings at a time, I think ERA is almost meaningless. You could give up inherited runners every time you come into the game, and have an ERA of 0.00.
May 31st, 20112:59 pm
Great stuff Zookey. Chilling actually.
From the previous blog which had 1,125 comments, abwright led the way with 61 posts. There were 174 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
Rank Poster Frequency
1 abwright 61
2 cabravesfan 57
3 VaBravesFan 52
4 jeffrey d 49
5 CaptainMudderland 29
6 Venice Jim 28
7 Tomahawk Mafia 27
8 David O’Brien 26
9 TennesseePaul 25
10 ncscoots 25
11 LTBF 24
12 Trey 24
13 ArkBravesFan 22
14 Arkansas Transplant 21
15 GT Alum 20
16 Lew 20
17 Sopheee 19
18 Murph 18
19 Shaun 18
20 McFann :Ô: :Ô: 17
21 bravesgrl4life 17
22 TruthSeeker 15
23 Hugo Z Hackenbush 14
24 LAG 14
25 richbrave 14
Chipper’s comment surely means that he finally was a “player” voice telling him what no one else was. I’m going to assume the coaches know enough to have been harping on that already. It’s a little self-indicting that Schafer wasn’t listening to them. Suddenly Chipper states the obvious, and it sinks in? Sounds to me like Jordan was a little immature and hard-headed about his game.
May 31st, 20113:00 pm
Has Hinske become over exposed playing regularly. Last 10 games .216 BA 1 HR 2 walks 2 RBI
May 31st, 20113:01 pm
Anyone know the time frames on Moylan, Heyward, and McLouth? When are these guys due back?
One Time’s got no case
The kid has 24 ABs…. I like his approach he’s shown so far. Getting On Base is priority for him to stick. He needs to get more comfortable in his role before the power will come most likely. Let him get more than 24 ABs.
May 31st, 20113:03 pm
“Seems like its needed, as in Fredi to Uggla.”
Uggla does not need a tough talk, he needs to be dropped in the order.
May 31st, 20113:04 pm
I went to my first Hockey games EVER this year. Enjoyed it. Oh well.
May 31st, 20113:06 pm
The post-’roid age in baseball now requires turning walks and singles into doubles and triples by stealing bases.
While the Braves turned walks and singles into outs 15 times. Yeah stealing bases really helps score a lot of runs.
May 31st, 20113:07 pm
I’m so ANGRY about the Thrashers. I just lost my 3rd favorite team behind UGA and the Braves. I will now be boycotting anything to do with the Spirit Group
Ok… when do we throw Parrish under the bus as the hitting instructor??
The last few years, if the Braves even had a few game slump, everyone was ready to throw TP under the bus and drive the bus themselves.
T for Texas
May 31st, 20113:08 pm
NO ONE has mentioned how improved the infield defense is this year under Pendleton
Did you mean Freeman or Pendleton?
May 31st, 20113:09 pm
VaBravesFan……….the “let him get more than 24 ABs” works both ways (meaning, before anointing him as being off to a “good start”).
Do you like his approach to stealing bases( 0 for 2)..or his approach to making noodle throws botching an easy double up to second like he did yesterday…..or his McNoodle like throw trying to nail that same runner at home on the base hit? A good throw on EITHER of those plays prevents that second run from scoring….meaning that the Braves would have won the game.
May 31st, 20113:10 pm
Big JAM, I think the folks on here will throw Larry Parish under the bus after the Braves are the fourth-best offense in the National League over a 9-season stretch.
May 31st, 20113:11 pm
May 31st, 2011
Ok… when do we throw Parrish under the bus as the hitting instructor??
The last few years, if the Braves even had a few game slump, everyone was ready to throw TP under the bus and drive the bus themselves.”
True. Also, absolutely NO ONE has mentioned how improved the infield defense is this year under Pendleton. It is, you know.
May 31st, 20113:12 pm
Good thing for the players they are not getting paid per hit. If they were they could move the team to Canada too!
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