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reckingball
May 27th, 2011
9:59 am
alex, do you hear what your leader is saying? You might need to attack him.
alex
May 27th, 2011
10:04 am
agree quit reading this stuff, math,math I don’t need no math. Jt ,first 2 points are excellent , the rest, well minor leaguers may pan out. as for chipper, he is hof, so what, so was joe dimmagio,and he’s dead!!Now where is my MR. Coffee? The team has so many holes it’s moving to switzerland(swiss cheese, get it). I don’t think Wrenn has done well with construction of the team in the event of injuries#*-chipper) or potential failings(ff and jh)
But who knows,AS for uggla : who knew and when did they know it. SOMEBODY MISSED THE BOAT AND fw is in charge!!!!
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
10:04 am
Some of the people on this rag have wondered why Wren got a pitcher, instead of a position player.
I have heard a lot of people(who actually know what they are talking about, concerning baseball) say, you can never have enough good pitching.
alex
May 27th, 2011
10:15 am
reckingball, attacks for those that are not in agreement with me, no seriously, I have No leader_can’t get along with anyone long enough to lead them> Good humor today but 4 good drafts out of hundreds and 2 good trades out of undreds is NOT convincing. To all of FRANK’s syncophants and family,he seems to be a nice guy,goofy commercial and all..just think he’s incompetent and in over his head
sidbreamslide
May 27th, 2011
10:16 am
This makes you wonder a little about the Braves.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/712814-bobby-cox-hangover-how-the-braves-are-still-adjusting-to-fredi-gonzalez
David O'Brien
May 27th, 2011
10:19 am
reckingball: Come on, man. Don’t disrupt the flow of savvy comments with some logical observation like that. This thread was just getting fun.
Jack in Macon
May 27th, 2011
10:20 am
We a veteran major league pitcher that’s having a good year in triple A for this guy? Couldn’t we have gotten a major league quality utility player with a good bat that can play third base?
Dave, please explain what the Braves were thinking? You can give more feedback to questions/comments on this blog. That’s the purpose of blogging which you don’t seem to realize. Interaction!!
henry from TN
May 27th, 2011
10:22 am
you should trade linebrink or designate him for assignment because this guy is over-the-hill big time and bring back up chattanooga choo choo the sidewinder….
rammerjammer
May 27th, 2011
10:25 am
A lefty who throws in the low 90s is always a commodity, especially when it comes as inexpensively as Buchter. He may never see Atlanta, much less Gwinnett, but you just never know when a new grip or a new delivery can make the difference.
And the Braves have a history of some success in these things. I like the deal.
alex
May 27th, 2011
10:39 am
HE’S ALIVE,HE’S ALIVE;welcome DOB.rEckingball is savy and suave and debonnaire. He’s a good egg…
David O'Brien
May 27th, 2011
10:46 am
alex: He also understands how these matters work, unlike some others.
alex
May 27th, 2011
11:00 am
DOB, surely you were not refering to me, I am truly offended. You two think alike ,but do you truly comprehend? let the lemmings swim.. Let’s get your opinionDOB;NO bs please,evaluate the job of FW over the last few years…
ray
May 27th, 2011
11:19 am
Monger,
anyone who likes the Mc Louth deal is looking through rose colored glasses. it may only get worse if Locke pitches in the majors.
Marek wasn’t even called up before he had TJ surgery. Kotchman has been on 3 teams already since we let him go.
Vizcaino also has arm problems in case you didn’t know.
what did Melky do for us ?
do you think a guy drafted from a CC in 2005 should still be in A ball 6 yrs later at age 24 1/2 ?
believe what you want if it makes you feel better.
to bring up the Teixeira deal to bolster your argument is comical.
you can insult me, but you are the misguided one.
alex
May 27th, 2011
11:22 am
Well,we’re waiting….(judge Smails,caddyshack,oh never mind)
Rodrigo Lopez
May 27th, 2011
11:23 am
I, Rodrigo Lopez, will NOT suffer this indignity any longer. Pitching in Minor League ball is simply too pedestrian for a player of my caliber so Rodrigo Lopez made your Frank Wren bless the Cubs of Chicago with my presence. The indomitable will and might of I, Rodrigo Lopez, overcomes anything after all. I can only imagine what the Cubs had to relinquish in order to add the mighty Rodrigo Lopez to their lineup…there may not be enough Cubs left to field a team. Thus, I…Rodrigo Lopez have decided to grace the positions of shortstop, second, catcher, of course pitcher for the Cubs! You are welcome Chicago!
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
11:31 am
How many MLB GMs do you think that there are, that would not like to have the pitching talent, that the Braves have in their organization?
Who brought most of these pitchers to the Braves organization?
alex
May 27th, 2011
11:38 am
One more time reckingball( you seem to revel in being correct on this point) the braves have very good pitching and yes FW should be applauded, GOT IT,I have said that this is the 1 PART of the team that is very good (are you ok now, you may continue the self adulation, Frank and the rest of the syncophants are proud of you) now for the other 8 positions………… whew,such a good egg!
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
11:42 am
Wow alex, why all of the hate and venom?
Good pitching beats good hitting most of the time.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
11:42 am
What about the other 8 positions,?
I think that Wren has put together a pretty good team.
Just need some hits, to start coming off of some bats.
Definitely could have used some more speed.
habberdash
May 27th, 2011
11:56 am
Lowe’s DUI charges were dropped. Obviously the authorities decided he wasn’t intoxicated and did the right thing. Bravo for Derek being such a responsible citizen.
alex
May 27th, 2011
11:57 am
hate and venom,SO sensitive( iHATE being called a HATER it’s so HATEFUL),how many all stars do we have in the field,maybe prado and possibly MCcann (posey is out), pretty good is not GOOD enough.(kinda like kissing your sister, no not my sister, your sister). Seems like we’re at an impass , let’s see how it plays out AND I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT! because YOU are a good egg,now run along……
pcb mike
May 27th, 2011
11:59 am
We just traded a 35 year old minor leaguer and received a 24 year old hard throwing lefty. Fine with me, keep up the good work Frank Wren. To all the armchair GM’s out there, get real.
habberdash
May 27th, 2011
12:03 pm
acbwcmm
May 27th, 2011
1:09 am
Innocent people do not refuse a breathalyzer. It’s really that simple.
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They do when they’re opposed to the expansion of the police state
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
12:18 pm
If you are living in GA, you are pretty close to living in a police state.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
12:20 pm
alex, I accept your surrender.
Think I’ll hang around a little bit longer, though.
Chimp Carey
May 27th, 2011
12:25 pm
Good move- this guy has potential from what I’ve read.
Wren knows what he is doing, despite what some of the keyboard jockeys on here say…
Go Bravos!
alex
May 27th, 2011
12:26 pm
DL only did what every “young,wealthy jock” would do when he’s pulled over and charged with dui,he calls a former police officer, now dui lawyer, spreads some cash, finds the loophole and avoids the “police state” Does that deserve a “bravo” ( or mabye an “opera applause”) mabye if your idea of a good time is holding out in an underground bunker with2 tons of food and water and plenty of “ammo” for those who didn’t prepare, waiting for those damn ruskies trying to take your freedom!!! YEA!
alex
May 27th, 2011
12:26 pm
no speed up
Zing
May 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
For the record– people keep complaining about the Teixera trade for legitimate reasons, but that was not Frank Wren’s move. That was John Schuerholtz’s last trade as I recall. So, you can’t lay that on FW.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
I suppose some people will be satisfied only when Wren fields, an ALL, all-star team.
Perhaps if Wren could see into the future he could live up to the standards of some of the disgruntled fans.
alex
May 27th, 2011
12:38 pm
Reckingball,Now I get the picture;FW is a good GM in the police state of georgia,uh huh, O.K.,thank goodness for anonimity,back to my bunker, I’ve got to reload………..
Let’s all enjoy the fireworks tonight and hope that some are ignited by our bats
tt
May 27th, 2011
12:41 pm
LIKE THE FALCONS NEED DEFENSE BRAVES NEEDS SOME HITTERS! PERIOD!
Brava
May 27th, 2011
12:47 pm
I’m glad those of you mocking everyone who doesn’t agree with you have such high opinions of yourselves. I realize that belittling others is a means of affirmation for some, but I can find better ways.
Maybe this pitcher will pan out, maybe not. It just seems to me that rather than trade for a commodity which is abundant, pitching, why not address the glaring weakness on the Braves team, the bench. Maybe Lopez and some cash could have gotten the Braves a solid utility player to replace Hernandez or Conrad, neither of which are producing much although Conrad has gotten a couple of game-winning hits. He’s still batting .167 for the season. Hernandez is worse at .154. Yes, they may come through once every few weeks, but most of the time, they are dead weight.
Mark (another one)
May 27th, 2011
12:50 pm
Wren’s is a bottom line position. He has to build and maintain a farm system for the future, but he might not see the future if the major league team isn’t successful. A couple of years ago the rotation was in a shambles and Wren was forced to go to the free agent market. He received a lot of criticism but the rotation held up well. KK didn’t pan out but we had some good pitchers.
Last year he tried everything to get the Braves into the playoffs and it worked, barely. Once we were there, we had two all star caliber players miss the post season. That’s 25% of the starting lineup and a larger portion of the offense. Injuries are part of the game but no team has the ability to replace two all stars from their bench and not slip.
Everyone complained that this year’s issues would be 3rd base, center field, and a middle infield backup. No one worred about Uggla’s hitting but there was concern for his defense. So, Chipper has played most of the season at third and is leading the league in doubles. He is leading all third basemen in RBIs and is second in OPS (.783). McLouth hasn’t been spectacular but he is hitting .238, a vast improvement over last year. Diory and Hernandez
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
12:53 pm
alex, “thank goodness for anonimity”, what exactly do you mean by that comment?
BillyBoB
May 27th, 2011
12:54 pm
Holy crap…what did you people expect to get from a THIRTY-FIVE year old minor leaguer? Seriously? Stop being dumb.
Lost Cause
May 27th, 2011
12:54 pm
Why does Coco Crisp’s name keep coming up in conversations. We have enough platoon players. Wren has done a GREAT job. Isn’t the team 28-23? Only one game off last year’s record after 51 games. If Uggla and Heyward just hit their weight they will win the division.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
12:54 pm
@12:47………”Conrad is not producing much, although he has gotten a couple of game winning hit”???????????
I think that’s pretty darn good.
David O'Brien
May 27th, 2011
1:02 pm
DOB, surely you were not refering to me, I am truly offended. — alex
If you’re sure I’m not referring to you, then why are you “truly offended”?
Brava
May 27th, 2011
1:02 pm
I think it’s good too, reckingball, but how often is it going to happen? Considering his defensive liability, is he worth the salary he’s being paid to average a clutch hit once a month? Maybe you think so, I don’t.
Steve
May 27th, 2011
1:05 pm
We got soemthing for nothing with Lopez. We would have lost him on 6/15 because he would have opted out and one of those ‘hungry for pitching’ teams would have gobbled him up. They just had to wait. Maybe we could have gotten more, but we risked getting nothing.
As for the hate on the young man we traded for .. give him time. He obviously has a good arm and you can NEVER have too much pitching. Look at it this way, Hudson(2013), Lowe (thru 2012)and Jurrgens(FA after 2013) are not under contract for much longer. You have to start looking down the road more than a year or two with pitching. Yes, Delgado, Teheran, Minor, Beachey, and Medlen all look like sure things for that time period but the HARSH reality is about less than half the top pitching prospects ever pan out in the major leagues. Just look at all the Braves prospects that looked good in the minors and haven’t panned out in the majors and were traded away (Chen, James, Perez, Jo-Jo, Moss, Milwood, Davies, etc.). It is not always a sure thing. I would love to have depth in a couple of years so that if we are not in the playoff race we can trade these short contract guys to a contender for more developing talent if we need to. I say stockpile up as much YOUNG pitching as you can.
As for you Ronald Millsaps. You are wrong about Frenchy. Sorry. He gets hot occasionally, but when pitchers really need to get him out it’s as easy as Andruw Jones and Dale Murphy later in his career. Fastballs up, breaking pitches outside … go sit down. He will never achieve the greatness many fans in Atlanta still thinks he will. How many years did you expect us to wait around on him. For what he was slotted to make, he was not worth it. This year is another showcase. Started off hot, pitchers realized this and changed things up a little and now he can’t buy a hit. His May average is .247 and spiralling further downward.
fred
May 27th, 2011
1:07 pm
shmon and mathman,,two of a kind.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
1:10 pm
I think that it happened at least 7 times last year. I think that he does fairly good on D.
I don’t believe that he is as bad as he looked at the end of last season, when Cox more or less, threw him to the wolves. But that’s just my opinion.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
1:12 pm
Also, if the Braves make the playoffs by one W(like last season), then yes, I do think that he is worth his salary.
JeanE
May 27th, 2011
1:13 pm
Derek Lowe got off because money talks and the cops were inept. But I agree with whoever said innocent people do not refuse a Breathalyzer test. Take note Derek, you were lucky now pull your head out of your juveile a** and grow up. I lost all respect for you. I can’t stand Frank Wren but will admit we were going to probably lose Lopez to FA anyway, so at least he got something for him and he might turn out to be good. Go Braves.
alex
May 27th, 2011
1:14 pm
DOB it’s called sarcasm (SARCASM),(murrow is turning over in his grave:journalism?).
We’re still waiting…..
Anonimity:mine, this police state thing got me thinking, all this paranoia,as i said I’m going back to my bunker….
Ted M
May 27th, 2011
1:23 pm
Does Schafer have a chance to win the CF job permanently when McLouth comes back.
Brava
May 27th, 2011
1:28 pm
I don’t remember Conrad having 7 game winning hits last season. In fact, I’m almost certain he didn’t. I just can’t see using up a roster spot for a very mediocre hitter and a proven defensive liability. The Braves can do better than that, and should.
braveshoo
May 27th, 2011
1:33 pm
Derick Lowe refused the breathilizer because he knew he wasnt drunk and the officer had no probable cause to arrest him for DUI. He had already passed field sobriety tests, which you cant do if you have a BAC over .04, which is half of what you have to be to be DUI. The officer probably just wanted to make a name for himself by arresting D.Lowe for a DUI. He obviously forgot he had the video camera on in his car. This often proves whether the person is DUI or not. It is usually pretty obvious. When the Comm. Attorney saw the video, he dismissed the charge. You can bet the farm he wouldnt have if he had had a case.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
1:38 pm
I heard that the officer was originally from PA. Phillies fan for sure.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
1:42 pm
Bunker won’t do you any good. They will extract you.
Dibble
May 27th, 2011
1:43 pm
Lopez for anything is a good deal….the cluelessness has to stop
Ronald Millsaps
May 27th, 2011
1:53 pm
As for Lowe’s case, “blog”, and by the way, using lightly the term “retarded” is prejudiced and a form of hatred speech, as opposed to the alleged hatred speech the gay community always whines about (in between its spewing prejudice toward Christians, heterosexuals, blacks, women, etc., I might add), we went from hearing that he was driving under the influence to hearing well after the fact that there’s a lack of evidence. I roll my eyes at such an immense contrast, so whoever was wrong amidst the two needs to be fired with no questions asked. I roll my eyes also at Phil’s desperate attempt to attack credibility when he has established none of his own.
As for baseball, I’d move Uggla to “three” and have Chipper and McCann behind him. If he doesn’t progress, I’d move Prado, the most-professional individual in the organization, back to second and platoon Uggla and Hinske in left. The season is nearly a third gone, so the “slow start” bid doesn’t work too well here.
Aside from 1991, this team largely has not been that good offensively, and even when it has been good offensively on paper, it oftentimes (2003) hasn’t been clutch. I was nearly astonished to read that someone actually thought Uggla went to a better offense when he went to Atlanta. The Marlins’ offense last year and in recent years has been not just better than Atlanta’s but a lot better. It’s also nice to follow a team that plays the game as it should be played, not a team that gets all the undeserved hoopla like those two bastions of self-absorption from the Northeast (typical of the area).
phil
May 27th, 2011
1:53 pm
Jack in Macon
May 27th, 2011
10:20 am
We a veteran major league pitcher that’s having a good year in triple A for this guy? Couldn’t we have gotten a major league quality utility player with a good bat that can play third base?
Dave, please explain what the Braves were thinking? You can give more feedback to questions/comments on this blog. That’s the purpose of blogging which you don’t seem to realize. Interaction!!
Jack, do you have ANY sense? The pitcher FW booted STUNK….what was he supposed to get for that bum other than a cheeseburger and fries?
And has it crossed the dense dura matter surrounding your brain that DOB probably has more things to do than exchange pleasantries with this crowd on here?
Reckingball is dead on, of course, that one can never have enough good pitching. I guess if you have all pitching and no hitting, that could be an exception. In other words, may need to trade some pitching for someone that can hit a baseball somewhere other than over the dugout. We appear to have really good pitching and, at best, average hitting after one third of the season. Surely/maybe it will pick up. Surely/maybe someone will be shipped out for another decent bat or 2….as long as it isn’t JJ or Hanson, I can live with it….
phil
May 27th, 2011
1:57 pm
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
11:42 am
“Wow alex, why all of the hate and venom?
Good pitching beats good hitting most of the time.”
Nice…lol.
Yep, good pitching will frequently vanquish the ole Bravos….of course, not so good pitching will whip not so good hitting as well as we’ve seen a lot this year…
phil
May 27th, 2011
2:02 pm
Brava
May 27th, 2011
1:02 pm
“I think it’s good too, reckingball, but how often is it going to happen? Considering his defensive liability, is he worth the salary he’s being paid to average a clutch hit once a month? Maybe you think so, I don’t.”
I hate to say it but the good probably outweighs the bad with Conman….the guy DOES step up with the clutch hit now and then, which is about all you can ask for from the bench. As long as he isn’t pressed into duty in the field, ever, I’m ok with having him around…
Ronald Millsaps
May 27th, 2011
2:04 pm
“billybon”– find a better way to express yourself.
“zing”– Yeah, Schuerholz ran out half the farm for the extremely-arrogant, anything-but-clutch Teixeira. He also ran out David Justice and Marquis Grissom and later Adam Wainwright. He also tries to take credit for the ‘91 team, but he’s way out of line in doing so. Oh, yeah; he also ran Tom Glaivne out and not only that but did so as disrespectfully as possible as he was locked in on attaining Mike Hampton. Later, the Mets clearly surpassed the Braves in the division, and Atlanta could’ve used a third, bona-fide starter immensely, as Davies, Ramirez, Thomson, Sosa, Cormier, Carlyle, Reyes, and several others didn’t show consistency. Having Glavine would’ve elevated our rotation and simultaneously dropped New York’s. The strategy simply was not good. Through this same time period, Hampton earned an immense salary while rehabilitating and was brandished a villain by the typical, ill-informed Braves fan. Hampton was not to blame in any way; that move was all on Schuerholz and a reminder that you need to maintain what you already have before you look to bolster.
My last post clarifies any confusion regarding my commentary on the Lowe situation.
As for Francoeur, he’s batting .247 in May, huh? What’s your point? Atlanta ran him out of town over his openly being frustrated about going to the minors (after openly being misled earlier that week). Do you still think he should’ve been run out? If he doesn’t meet the hype, maybe those who produce the hype don’t know what they’re talking about, as most Atlanta fans don’t. (One fan on Opening Day last year said Heyward was going to be the best ever…. I’m not rooting against the idea, but homering in your first game isn’t nearly as impressive as we’re told it is.) Atlanta ran Francoeur out over his comments and did so with him only 25, and we got half a season of Ryan Church as a result. Undoubtedly, the Keith Olbermanns and Barbara Walterses of the world can try to spin this story as well, but the fact remains that it was extremely unwise.
phil
May 27th, 2011
2:06 pm
“As for you Ronald Millsaps. You are wrong about Frenchy. Sorry. He gets hot occasionally, but when pitchers really need to get him out it’s as easy as Andruw Jones and Dale Murphy later in his career. Fastballs up, breaking pitches outside … go sit down. He will never achieve the greatness many fans in Atlanta still thinks he will. How many years did you expect us to wait around on him. For what he was slotted to make, he was not worth it. This year is another showcase. Started off hot, pitchers realized this and changed things up a little and now he can’t buy a hit. His May average is .247 and spiralling further downward.” STEVE
Ronald is nearly as thick as “Frenchy”. Francouer’s problem, among many, is he’s just basically dumb. He can’t make adjustments or out think any pitcher he faces seemingly….just stands there with that goofy look on his face and down he goes….he was indeed a good riddance…as Uggly apparently will be before much longer…
phil
May 27th, 2011
2:09 pm
braveshoo
May 27th, 2011
1:33 pm
“Derick Lowe refused the breathilizer because he knew he wasnt drunk and the officer had no probable cause to arrest him for DUI. He had already passed field sobriety tests, which you cant do if you have a BAC over .04, which is half of what you have to be to be DUI. The officer probably just wanted to make a name for himself by arresting D.Lowe for a DUI. He obviously forgot he had the video camera on in his car. This often proves whether the person is DUI or not. It is usually pretty obvious. When the Comm. Attorney saw the video, he dismissed the charge. You can bet the farm he wouldnt have if he had had a case.”
Exactly….for once, the arrested baseball suspect apparently wasn’t guilty…..no toxicology, nothing on video, no case. I apologize for my harsh assaults on the guy…now if he could just get through 5 innings w/o throwing 159 pitches…
phil
May 27th, 2011
2:11 pm
I’m forced to revise my thinking on the eye rolling Ronald Millsaps, who has apparently regained his sight….
Your posts are damn good actually…wouldn’t hurt, though, to ease off of just a bit of the arrogance. Most of us are fairly stupid but not all….
Beef Pocoroba
May 27th, 2011
2:11 pm
Wren has put together the pitching staff with the best ERA in the NL.
our lineup includes
2B – 2010 All-star (obtained for a career back-up and at best the 3rd best LHreliefP in the system)
C – 2010 All-star
RF – 2010 All-Star
LF – 2010 All-star
CF – 2008 All-star
3B – future HoFer
And Wren has stocked the minors with what is pretty well unanimously agreed to be the best collection of pitching prospects.
if these guys have underperformed, you can’t pin it on wren.
phil
May 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
I did call you dumb so i deserve that….note i have changed my tune in light of later developments today which i’ve only just now been able to read….you’re clearly not dumb.
The Braves hitting coach(es)? Probably dumb….
Ronald Millsaps
May 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
Phil, dumb? Ha. Look who’s talking. From your commentary, your last name’s probably “Donahue.”
Isn’t it ironic that a lot of players do considerably worse offensively in Atlanta than they do elsewhere? Perhaps we don’t have the right personnel here.
Beef Pocoroba
May 27th, 2011
2:14 pm
oh, and wren put together this club – which made it the playoffs last year despite major injuries in case you ninnies have forgotten – with a very middle of the road payroll. c’mon folks.
phil
May 27th, 2011
2:19 pm
Beef – IF they have underperformed? Can I presume that’s a typo? McOut has been nothing but a bust….Hurtward can’t hit and never plays anymore….he can’t field his position well either…and i love the future HOF’er but that tag is normally affixed to players that are clearly slowing down….which Chipper is, more at the plate than in the field, oddly enough….
Go_BRAVOS
May 27th, 2011
2:19 pm
How come we can comment on the injustice that is D.Lowe getting off for DUI.
I doubt a regular citizen would have been so lucky and still no punishment from the organization
for a guy endangering the lives of others while driving drunk. gotta love U.S. justice system
Beef Pocoroba
May 27th, 2011
2:20 pm
>>As for Francoeur, he’s batting .247 in May, huh? What’s your point? Atlanta ran him out of town over his openly being frustrated about going to the minors (after openly being misled earlier that week). Do you still think he should’ve been run out?
well, we weren’t going to renew his contract for the next year, and he was playing atrocious. so getting him out of town, where bobby couldn’t stick him in the line-up every day – heck yes that was a good move.
Ronald Millsaps
May 27th, 2011
2:20 pm
Phil, not trying to be arrogant. I’m honestly not sure that a stupid person exists, but stupid actions do.
Beef Pocoroba
May 27th, 2011
2:25 pm
>>(Heyward) can’t field his position well either
i guess you don’t watch this team, or look at fielding metrics. by all accounts he was actually very good last year, and by several different metrics saved us about 10 runs above average. that’s not “andruw jones in his prime” level, but then, Heyward’s not a CF, and the guy was 20 for most of last year.
alex
May 27th, 2011
2:32 pm
beef, you are sooo right
Freeman,man can he stretch
uggla, he’s got to come aroun
gonza, goes into the hole, hitting wll what do you want 280
chipper, my goodness he’s a hall of famer, and a legend and he goes to hooters!!
Prado, YES
mclouth, he was an all star 3 years ago, what do you want
heyward,have you read his press clippings, should have been rookie of the year, damn posey he can (could) hit and throw
Mcann nobody gets on base against our pitchers so why should he be able to throw (even to 3rd base)
Sounds like a team to challenge for the post season, the phillies and red sox and yankees and texas are in for a BIG surprise
AS for lowe,as I said find a ex-cop, now dui lawyer and….
phil
May 27th, 2011
2:33 pm
bull, bull and more bull…Hurtward drops balls, can’t break back on em well, throws the ball offline more times than not….don’t give me “fielding metrics” when i can see with my own two eyes that he’s pretty decent but far from great….
Go Bravos – hello! Earth to Go B! No breath test, a good result on his field test….THERE ISN’T ANY EVIDENCE WITH WHICH TO PROSECUTE HIM. I would agree with you in most cases on the fix being in, but if the guy passed the field test, this is the right result.
Ronald Millsaps
May 27th, 2011
2:34 pm
I still wouldn’t have traded Francoeur. The upside was there; the approach was not, and I blame Bobby’s Joel Osteen-like approach as much as I blame Francoeur’s overt arrogance.
Honestly, there might not be a worse team in MLB in terms of making offensive adjustments. The first step in the scientific method is identifying exactly the problem. I don’t know that anyone in the organization ever actually does that, and a low average isn’t the problem but instead the result of the problem. The fact that Atlanta tried to turn Francoeur into Edgar Renteria– a completely-opposite player– outweighs my frustration with the Parkview kid and serves as an indictment against the organization and influences me to believe that the problem is mainly with the staff. Also, its standing pat while Francoeur made it a goal to score 100 runs rather than drive in 100 runs is also pretty blamed bad. The man was trying to acquire an identity that played to the exact opposite of his God-given abilities, and it showed in his indecisiveness at the plate. In the last year or so that he played here, I don’t recall seeing him looking relaxed once.
The problem could’ve been fixed. I wouldn’t have traded him; I would’ve sought new personnel, and besides, he wasn’t going to demand huge revenue on the open market.
The only guy Atlanta ran off wisely was Yunel Escobar, as the guy simply refused to be anything but a rebel. We got a better, more-professional player, too.
phil
May 27th, 2011
2:40 pm
Agreed, Ronald, except that I was fed up with “Frenchy”. The arrogance is hard to overcome because that condition doesn’t listen….Yunel had to go.
Beef Pocoroba
May 27th, 2011
2:46 pm
phil – well i guess all i can say at this point is “have fun hating your own team and coming up with demeaning nicknames for them.”
Ronald Millsaps
May 27th, 2011
2:57 pm
I would’ve sent him back to the minors if need be and not been apologetic about it. I also wouldn’t have misled him prior to doing so. I would’ve spent the rest of the year working with him and would’ve made wise adjustments. Charlie Manuel would’ve taken a different approach; believe me. If Francoeur had left at the end of 2009, that move would’ve been his call, but I would’ve worked and made adjustments. Acquiring Ryan Church for half a year was all but useless.
We’re seeing the exact-same problem with Uggla. Again, where are the adjustments?
Chipper’s setting up a proverbial “C” flag in the “three” hole bothers me a great deal. Fredi’s letting him do it sends the message that Chipper’s the real manager on the team, which, actually, wouldn’t be a bad thing, but let’s at least make adjustments. I just don’t get how or why this team will keep trying the same blamed thing over and over when it doesn’t work. This team just goes through an entire season showing apathy about finding the solution.
Hmmm, Scottie Pippen thinks LeBron James MIGHT be the best player of all time, huh? LeBron plays in a much-easier era than Jordan played in, and truthfully, LeBron’s not as good as Jordan or Pippen. LeBron might have Jordan in rebounding but doesn’t have him anywhere else.
phil
May 27th, 2011
3:33 pm
Amen on Jordan…Lebron is great but he ain’t Jordan….not even worthy of discussion really….
I think chipper basically is the manager…heck, i advocated for hiring him as player-manager last year…
There are no adjustments with Uggly…a few would be nice.
Beef – spare me the “hater” label that you optimists love to use…i love em same as you but i do like my juvenile nicknames…Beef Pocoroba? You hate my earliest memory catcher, don’t you?
Damon Dingle Barryhill
May 27th, 2011
4:07 pm
Good move.. trade in the old fart who will never make the roster for a young unpolished Lefty. Why are people bitchin about this one?
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
4:56 pm
Man, that guy can get a rant going.
reckingball
May 27th, 2011
5:01 pm
phill @333………..They are called juvenile derisions.
KK
May 27th, 2011
5:01 pm
We need KK back
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