2:57 pm May 12, 2011, by David O'Brien
May 13th, 201110:08 am
shaun I’m not talking about bringing in Rivera or your best reliever in the 7th inning, necessarily. I’m talking about bringing him in the situation in which if you give up a run, the game could be over at that point
so your saying to save your best reliever for the 9th inning.
May 13th, 201110:10 am
And I’m not the only person who thinks this.
When will you learn that this does not validate your opinion, any more than majoritarianism validates those who think differently?
And, by the way, I didn’t say anything about relievers, or your stance on such, or managerial IQ, or distracting questions from non-professional baseball strategists, or even Heyward at 2. So, leave me out of it, if you will.
May 13th, 201110:13 am
Putting Heyward at 2 indicates he is a better hitter than Prado which could not be further from the truth even when Heyward is healthy. I would rather see Heyward back up the middle of the order at 6-7 with chances at RBI and the 3-run homer.
Dadgum….., really? How do you define “better hitter”? If healthy, Heyward is the better hitter, if hitting is about avoiding outs and gaining bases by means of walks and hits.
Why decrease the middle of the order’s RBI chances in the name of getting Heyward more RBI chances and the 3-run homer?
You do realize that the odds are against any hitter setting the table because the pitcher is going to get the best hitters out well over half the time, right? So the best way to attack the opposing pitcher is to stack your best out-avoiders at the top with the best sluggers coming up 2nd through 5th. If you wait and put the best hitters down in the order in hopes of the top of the order getting on base, you are basically sitting on your hands and not constructing a lineup to attack the opposing pitcher. It would be kind of like a football coach giving the ball to his 4th or 5th best options on first down and second down and saving his best options for 3rd and 4th down. Why not attack with your best as early and as often as possible?
May 13th, 201110:16 am
Soph.if you are around,I have worn out my brick wall. Could you draw me another?
May 13th, 201110:18 am
You’re not supposed to actually hit it
Mike – It could be because of non roided hitting or the development of pitching as a reaction to the increased offense. or even – as Chipper says – the development of the cut fastball. A case could probably be made for it being either, or both or some of all of the above.
Thanks for the statistical evidence, though. I bet it trends even lower over the next several years.
DAP, I’m saying use your best relievers when you can least afford to give up runs and don’t limit him to situations that just allow him to pad his save total. The most obvious situation to use your best reliever is in a tie game, on the road, 9th inning or later with the opposing teams best hitters coming up. But a lot of managers foolishly will not bring in their best pitcher in that situation for fear that they’ll have to answer the criticism if they were to take the lead and a different pitcher blows a lead in the last inning. But it’s simply moronic to worry about blowing a lead in the last inning when a run would lose the game earlier than that.
May 13th, 201110:20 am
Shaun – You do realize that we’ve been over this ad nauseum over the past few weeks and neither you nor anyone else has changed anyone’s opinion? Does the tirade need to continue for some perverse reason known only to the terminally stubborn?
May 13th, 201110:21 am
shaun I’m saying use your best relievers when you can least afford to give up runs
right, which would be the end of the game, 9th inning. thanks shaun.
Lew, yeah, I agree. I’m certainly not saying there is no improvement in pitching. In fact, it’s always amazed me that the hitting/pitching stats have remained reasonably stable, or at least recognizable, with just a few modifications to the game, for pretty much a century. There are bound to be periods where one gets a leg up on the other…
JJ Hoover has step up his game this year, the dude is bringing it every game. Yesterday’s line of 7IP, 4H, 1ER, 0BB, 8K.
May 13th, 201110:22 am
“I still say the biggest play in the game — you can say what you want about the home runs and the game-winning hit by Mac, but that guy shook [off his catcher] three times to get to a slider, 3-and-1 on Freddie Freeman, in a 5-1 game with nobody on,” Jones said, “and that started everything.
Pretty astute analysis by my man Chipper. Shows that he’s into the game, even 4 runs down. Pretty much sayng that Zimmerman was “and idiot”. Good pitcher, dumb pitch selection. Sort of saw that from Teheran last weekend, working on his breaking stuff behind in the count shaking McCann off.
Shaun…. If you seriously think Heyward is a better hitter than Prado I can’t have a conversation with you. Forget me, McCann calls Prado one of the best hitters in baseball. Heyward is a perfect 6 hitter and we he regains his hitting may move up a spot. Frankly it all depends on McLouth. If he isn’t leading off and we don’t trade for someone who can then yeah the Braves will have to resort to Prado followed by Heyward when he is hitting better.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
Dadgum Putting Heyward at 2 indicates he is a better hitter than Prado…
Just out of curiosity……Why…? And then…wouldn’t that apply to anybody who bats second…?
May 13th, 201110:23 am
Good morning all
BRIAN! McFann wereever she is must be very happy.
May 13th, 201110:24 am
Are we still debating Heyward should hit in the 2 hole?
Lew, hard to know the reason. It seems like pitchers just have more weapons. Nearly all of them throw 92+ mph these days and nearly all of them have a fastball that moves. I can’t think of all that many pitchers that rely on a fastball that isn’t all that fast or doesn’t move much and lots of off-speed “junk.”
It seems like there are more pitchers than ever that either throw really fast fastballs or fastballs with lots of movement, and who also have two or three other plus pitches in their arsenal. There aren’t too many junk-ballers types left.
MikeinFL – Yeah, it’s likely somewhat cyclical – action and reaction.
May 13th, 201110:25 am
You KNOW it!!!
May 13th, 201110:26 am
McFann – Those doubles are starting to come more frequently. With just a little more power and we may see an MVP caliber season.
the common sense of bringing in your best run preventer when you most need to prevent a run
This line of logic is so riddled with holes, even by your own previous admission. Just last month you listed a series of teams who do not do this. I don’t think the Braves do this currently, as I disagree with your assertion that Kimbrel is the best reliever in the ‘pen. You’ve acknowledge the existence of a gazillion different scenarios which blow holes in your rather child-like simplistic approach to bullpen management. I’m not really sure why you continue with this argument. You’ve completely destroyed your own side while displaying a total lack and fundamental misunderstanding of the opponents side. You’ve essentially become a caricature of close-minded thinking you abhor, making a mockery of everything you’ve ever said. It’s really quite baffling that you haven’t noticed.
May 13th, 201110:29 am
Brian from SC,
How do the Braves’ batters circa 2010 compare to 2011 (thru May 12th for both years) in the following categories?
“I still say the biggest play in the game – you can say what you want about the home runs and the game-winning hit by Mac, but that guy shook [off his catcher] three times to get to a slider, 3-and-1 on Freddie Freeman, in a 5-1 game with nobody on, and that started everything. And the next thing you know, two batters later he’s out of the game and we’ve got something going. Momentum can turn on a dime in this game, and it definitely did tonight.”
Chipper on a turning point in the game.Shows how different a perspective players can have from most fans on this forum.
May 13th, 201110:30 am
Dadgum….., I guess it depends on your definition of “hitter.” Some people define it as a contact guy who can hit for a high average. They aren’t thinking in terms of the whole package of getting on base, hitting the ball hard and slugging. But when I think of the best hitter, I think of best offensive threat. I think of a guy who is great at getting on base and great at gaining lots of bases via hits and walks.
Prado is a fine hitter. He’s probably the third or fourth best on the team behind Heyward, McCann and (when healthy) Chipper; although Prado and Chipper may be fairly close at this stage in Chipper’s career. But all of those guys are pretty close and all are great hitters, when healthy and on their game. Uggla is not too far behind either, and may be in the mix when he’s healthy and going well.
I’m saying that the Braves will be a better team when McLouth is batting leadoff with Prado 2, Heyward 6. If McLouth tanks again then all bets are off. The Braves won’t be a real good team until that happens or the Braves trade for said leadoff guy. I’m sticking with that period. Just make the damn switch. If I’m wrong it won’t be the first time….or last.
May 13th, 201110:31 am
Shaun – Now it;’s the cutter. A few years back it was the splitter.There will always be a search for the next “leg up” on your opponent.
N8- on Agon’s blunder. “He should be ashamed.”
I think you might have missed something. He was definitely infuriated by his mistake. Something you would have never seen by Yunel. He looked like he wanted to beat himself over the head with a bat. Just glad he didn’t. Yunel type of mistake, different reaction entirely. Yunel would have blamed the scorekeeper or the ball boy.
We obviously should fire Wren, Fredi, and all the coaches. We should trade away most of our team, and aquire the marginal players du jour. Then all of the blog geniuses can take turns managing and coaching. For example, Shaun can be in charge of the bullpen and lineups.
When all of this is done, we can acheive at the same level as teams like Pirates and KC for the next 20 years (if we are real lucky), and attendence can go back to Chuck Tanner days levels. I attended a game in the 80’s where the ANNOUNCED attendence was abou 4000. When that happens, I guess I will rejoice that I am 20 minutes away from a AAA team to the West and 20 minutes away from a AA team to the East.
Sorry monty – didnt see that you had it covered already.
May 13th, 201110:32 am
While I’d save my best pitcher for the 9th, I do understand where Shaun is coming from. Say in the 7th you’re leading by 1 and in a jam with 2 on and nobody out. You’d rather have your closer come out and “save” the game then than in the bottom of the 9th to face the bottom of the order.
Then again, how do you know you won’t have some big hitters coming up in the 9th?
Then again, why does that matter if you blew the game in the 7th? Can’t save the game if there’s no lead to save.
Again – I’d use Kimbrel/Venters at the end of the game, but I can see where Shaun’s coming from.
May 13th, 201110:33 am
That horse isn’t only dead, it stinks to high heaven.
monty – You’re right – hope he doesn’t believe in self flagellation or he might miss a few weeks. Dude was quite upset over his Faux Pas.
May 13th, 201110:34 am
McFann….thanks!!! You just proved my point w/ Prado batting 2.
May 13th, 201110:35 am
JJ Hoover has step up his game this year, the dude is bringing it every game.
And my boy Zeke, don’t forget him. Seven walks all year, 1.07 WHIP.
‘Course, neither Hoover nor Spruill seem to be capable of notching a W, LOL.
(Disclaimer: I take no position on the value of pitchers’ wins and losses, by the way. Just to avert any discussion of it.)
May 13th, 201110:36 am
YES!! He already has 4 Doubles this month! The homers will start to come more as well, I’m sure…But hey, so long as he’s getting big hits, they cann be singles, Doubles, triples ( )…I think the homers will come if he just keeps getting those sorts of hits and doesn’t try to do too much…but of course, I’m not a coach of ANY kind.
With just a little more power and we may see an MVP caliber season.
Me, too!! He’s sure got the RISP thing working…
Am I mistaken? Didn’t Prado have the big grandslam last year that kick-started the amazing run we had? What? Against the Brew Crew or was that Brooksie?
Just highlights the ignorance and lack of baseball acumen that the players and managers have. Least they can do is read the comments (not the actual blog) here and learn something about how baseball should be played and managed. Heck, the manager can pretty much learn what moves not to make in latter part of the game just by checking this place out.
May 13th, 201110:37 am
although Prado and Chipper may be fairly close at this stage in Chipper’s career.
Still disagree. If we are to define hitting as “about avoiding outs and gaining bases by means of walks and hits.” Chipper is still superior to Prado.
When looking at the amount BB impacts OBP over hits, Prado is second to last on the team, just above Seabass. Prado is highly driven as a hits guy, not an “out avoidance” guy as you would say.
Freeman, Heyward, McLouth, and Chipper make up the top four …
Jason Heyward___ .102
Freddie Freeman_ .101
Nate McLouth____ .093
Chipper Jones___ .079
Brian McCann____ .066
Dan Uggla_______ .059
Martin Prado____ .041
Alex Gonzalez___ .030
May 13th, 201110:38 am
TennesseePaul, I agree that the Braves are doing a fine job having Venters available in situations besides last inning with a 1-3-run lead. I’m glad about this.
I don’t think you even know what I’m arguing. I’m basically arguing that bullpen roles based on things like defining the closer and the set-up man, etc. plus the save statistic does detriment to the game and managers would be better off ignoring all this BS.
Roles should be based on relievers’ skills, score, who is due up for the opponents, which relievers are rested and available and which aren’t.
Roles should NOT be based on which guy a team wants to rack up the most saves, which guy is “second in command” and should come in immediately before the guy who racks up the saves, etc.
That was Brooks.
May 13th, 201110:39 am
Ah!! I get it! OK…you’re welcome, then!
hey mcfann, you know brian would have had an rbi double last night, had it not been a walk off. kinda bitter sweet, right?
May 13th, 201110:40 am
Roles should be based on relievers’ skills, score, who is due up for the opponents
And rolls should be based with more cheese. Like those cheesy garlic biscuits at Red Lobster.
Brave4life-1995 all over again?
May 13th, 201110:41 am
If Dan Uggla and Jason Heyward can get going thats all this team needs right now. They can combine for almost 200 RBI if they reach there full-potential. For the past month we have been playing literally without our 2 best players. Thats why I am not too worried about the braves. When Uggla gets started up – and Heyward returns from injury, I expect big things.
May 13th, 201110:42 am
its weird that martin prado is 2nd on the team in RBI with 24. thats not easy to do batting leadoff.
For the past month we have been playing literally without our 2 best players
No, literally would be if Heyward and Uggla (whom I think you’re implying) were not in the lineup at all.
Sorry. Pet peeve of mine
Ha, yeah, it was! But I’ll take it!! Had it counted as a Double, though, he’d be a triple away from “walking-off for the cycle”.
May 13th, 201110:45 am
MARTEEEN! I said Brian earlyer, but he could not have done it without you.
Shaun, do you have any friends? Not just coworkers or classmates, but actual friends? You seem like you’d be a tough guy to have any fun with. I’d just want to drink the beer, not be told ad nauseum about the roles of the person pouring my beer vs the person bringing me my beer, not to mention the person who brewed my beer. I’d just want the beer.
You give off the impression that you think a lot about baseball… but do you ever actually just sit back and enjoy the game for what it is? A game?
May 13th, 201110:46 am
You know what I mean……
raleighbravefan and others, instead of attacking me, saying that I think I know more than managers and things of that sort, how about addressing the issue? Tell us why for instance, it’s better strategy to avoid bringing in your best run-preventing reliever in a tie game on the road in the 9th inning or later; in instead saving him in hopes that you have a lead and can use him in the half-inning after you hopefully take the lead. No. Instead you folks would rather attack me, saying things like “you think you know more than managers.” Don’t attack me. All I’m doing is pointing out the truth. I’m sorry it frustrates you that you can’t come up with a good reason for managers to avoid using the best reliever when they can least afford to give up a run, for instance, in a tie game on the road, 9th inning or later.
May 13th, 201110:49 am
I’d just want to drink the beer, not be told ad nauseum about the roles of the person pouring my beer vs the person bringing me my beer, not to mention the person who brewed my beer
Shaun: Why did she bring me my beer? I just ate some pretzels, so I’m really thirsty now, and this is clearly a situation where I need my beer more than others. She spills beers at a rate of 8%. This beer needs to be delivered by Steady Arm Steve. Take it back and try again.
I don’t think you even know what I’m arguing
This is your problem then… I guess it explains why you keep going on, and on, and on, and on… If people disagree with you, it isn’t because they don’t understand your point of view, it’s because they disagree with your point of view for logical, reasonable, common sense reasons. You are not the soul harbinger of truth and reason on this blog. Never have been.
TennesseePaul, I’m talking more than just this season about Chipper, Prado, Heyward, McCann, etc.
But you may be right. When Chipper is healthy, he probably is a better “hitter” than Prado, if hitting is getting on base and gaining bases.
Brian from SC
[i]its weird that martin prado is 2nd on the team in RBI with 24. thats not easy to do batting leadoff.[/i]
Yeah, he’s hitting .433 with RISP.
Also, he’s come to the plate with 2 runners in scoring position (2nd and 3rd or bases loaded) 12 times, way more than anyone else on the team. I think Nate McLouth should get some credit here…he’s been getting on a good bit at the bottom of the order and scoring a lot of those runs.
No problem. Great minds and all that,,,
Do you realize how hard it is to type your moniker?
May 13th, 201110:50 am
Shaun – If you had actually read anything others have said for weeks now, you would have seen reasons by the multitude mentioned. However, when you”ve determined that your own thoughts are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you negate the flow of others opinions.
If you’re not going to listen to what is said, why should people keep repeating their points.
Dang…I’ve been away from the blog too long…my html is rusty. I’m supposed to use the greater than and less than signs, huh?
Just a few observations (just my opinions):
I think AG is doing a fine job, probably better than expected.
If (big IF) Nate can continue his good work, I would like Nate 1, Prado 2, and Heyward (if healthy) 6 (maybe 5, until Uggla heats up). If Heyward lives up to potential, I see him #3 when Chipper retires.
You can least afford to give up runs in the 9th when you have had your last at bat. Other than that, the most critical time of the game could be ANY inning in which you give up runs. (Shaun, do you bring in your stud closer in the 3rd inning?) I think each game offers special situations which require actual decisions.That is why you have a manager instead of a computer tech running the team.
Lowe may be traded this Winter. Makes no sense to trade him now. Also, I don’t understand the logic of trading JJ. If he continues, he will be a stud ace, which is rare. If not, he won’t be as valuable as a trade piece, nor will he be as expensive. Only time this would make sense is if we truly have several young studs which prove to be top of rotation guys, and have to get rid of one – and others are as good but cheaper. I don’t particularly lose sleep over who their agent may be.
brian from sc I think Nate McLouth should get some credit here…he’s been getting on a good bit at the bottom of the order and scoring a lot of those runs.
yup, nate is 2nd in runs with 22. he is a big reason prado has been getting RBI chances.
May 13th, 201110:53 am
shaun, weve tried to argue the facts and the logic and the reasoning with you. its impossible because you are to arrogant to have a normal conversation with. thats why folks have learned just to give you a hard time, especially on a topic that has gone around in circles for days. seriously, you should look in the mirror and think about how you act on here.
May 13th, 201110:54 am
Prado has driven in McLouth 8 times this season.
May 13th, 201110:55 am
ncscoots, glad you added this, that was pretty much why I didn’t point out the fact he only has 1 win on the year with bearly a 2 ERA.
May 13th, 201110:57 am
If people disagree with you, it isn’t because they don’t understand your point of view, it’s because they disagree with your point of view for logical, reasonable, common sense reasons.
TennesseePaul, do you honestly agree that it’s a good idea to save your best reliever almost exclusively for save situations; even in tied, extra-inning road games with the opposing team’s best hitters coming up? Does anyone honestly agree that that’s a good idea? If it were someone besides me arguing that it’s not a good idea, would you or others disagree?
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;, May 13th, 2011, 10:36 am … “YES!! He [McCann] already has 4 Doubles this month!”
The big question … how do you feel about the game winner last night, which would have been a double any other time, being a single since the game ended before McCann could get to second?
Happy for the game winner?
Annoyed because it wasn’t a double?
May 13th, 201110:58 am
I’m talking more than just this season about Chipper, Prado, Heyward, McCann, etc.
Oh, I thought you were talking about “this stage in Chipper’s career”… even when aggregating the last three years, Prado isn’t close to Chipper. There really isn’t a “probably” about it.
May 13th, 201110:59 am
Shaun – Yeah, we’d still disagree – we just wouldn’t have to continue repeating our disagreement for weeks on end and having those we disagree with claiming we don’t want to know the truth. What are you? A poor Man’s Jack Nicholson wrapped up in one scene from one role?
Perhaps the nice thing about our “TEAM” is that (IMO) there isn’t that one guy that if we lost him, we would be sunk. Hard, (IMO) again to quailfy who the best player is. I would probably say in order of who I would hate to lose, it would be Prado, McCann, Chipper, Heyward, Agon, Uggla, Freeman,, Nate… although I certainly wouldn’t argue with anyone who felt differently.
May 13th, 201111:00 am
“All I’m doing is pointing out the truth” or, at least, the “truth” in Shaun land. It’s kinda like “the truth” on Fox, Rush, or MSNBC. It’s the truth as viewed by the beholder.
raleighbravefan, I think the only way you trade JJ is you try to work out a contract with him before he’s a FA and if an agreement can’t be made then you move him.
As far as Lowe goes, I’ve never been a big supporter for keeping him around. I personally wouldn’t loose any sleep if we traded him mid season this year if we could acquire 1 good prospect in return.
I’d like to see a Jeopardy match between Shaun and that IBM computer. The computer would go up in smoke and self destruct.
You’d rather have your closer come out and “save” the game then than in the bottom of the 9th to face the bottom of the order.
It’s not the portion of the order that matters, jeffrey. If you could determine, in advance, that the 7th inning situation was indeed going to prove conclusive, that would be the perfect spot for the guy in which you have the most confidence for getting three outs before surrendering the lead (which is, after all, the idea).
But, unless that Psychic Outline is warmed up, the manager cannot know that. Nor can he know but that similar or even more crucial game situations may occur at a later point. Thus, the situation to which you allude is merely critical, but not conclusive. As long as outs remain, the outcome is undetermined.
There is, however, one game situation which WILL prove conclusive: Three opposition outs in the last inning of a game in which your team has the lead. Definitive. Outcome determined. Game over.
So, while using a nominal “closer” at a critical point in the late innings would seem to be the best option in the moment, it leaves the manager open to encountering the same critical situation at a later time, to be addressed with a nominally less effective pitcher, and fewer outs with which to recover from any adversity which might arise from using the less effective option. Using the nominally less effective pitcher earlier, rather than later, at least presents the possibility of recovery from adversity. And leaves the option still open to use the nominal “closer” in the one definitive, conclusive, game-ending game situation.
Now, I don’t mind discussing this with you, because I’ll know you read and digest and make up your own mind. You’ll at least be open to the argument. I have little hope that some others here will do the same.
May 13th, 201111:01 am
Shaun: I am currently stuck in a quandry and need your help. You see, I always bring a nutragrain bar to work for a snack to eat. Normally I eat it at 11am when I start to get hungry for lunch because eating it at this time allows me to make it to about 1pm for lunch. This way when I get back from lunch at 2pm it helps make the day go by faster. Lately I’ve been eating my nutragrain bar at 10am and I’ve been taking my lunch at 12pm, but to me the day seems to drag on a little bit in the afternoon. Now I’m thinking about saving the nutragrain bar for about 4pm to help me not gourge myself at dinner and feel miserable. This means I’ll probably have to take my lunch at around 11:30 am and the afternoon will probably go by slow. What do you think I should do? Please Help!!!!
In the last two weeks, Prado is 8 for 13 with RISP, with 12 RBIs.
Fish – Take a couple of bars with you every day and walk an extra mile when you exercise?
May 13th, 201111:02 am
do you honestly agree that it’s a good idea to save your best reliever almost exclusively for save situations
Payne, one last time. I disagree with your premise here. I think this statement and characterization of the events is fundamentally flawed, hence I will not answer it. I think this statement exposes your total lack of understanding of the alternate point of view.
May 13th, 201111:03 am
scoots- It will be difficult enough to get Bud to agree to expanded Instant Replay. Not so sure he’d go along with hiring Miss Cleo, too.
May 13th, 201111:04 am
Monty, I think our biggest loses would be seen if we were to loose an outfielder for an extended period of time. Not much backup for those positions.
May 13th, 201111:05 am
Actually, that statement is a strawman, one of at least two logical fallacies you’ve embraced during this “discussion”
Surprising stat of the day (OK, maybe of the minute):
In the last four weeks (taking out the first two weeks of the season), the Braves have the third-highest team OPS in the National League.
May 13th, 201111:06 am
Lew, you make a good point. Bud is all about expanded this and that but isn’t that much of a supporter for expanded replay.
Last night sure helped pump up those RBI totals…
May 13th, 201111:07 am
ncscoots @ 11:00
May 13th, 201111:08 am
Arkansas – I understand what you are saying about Lowe. The problem is that we don’t currently have anyone who can truly replace him, and he actually is earning his $15M now. Next year, if he has a good year this year, there should be teams that will still give us value and eat the last $15M. If at least 1 young stud truly lives up to the hype, we can then afford to trade him away (expecially if Medlen comes back strong and/or Minor gets more consistent).
May 13th, 201111:09 am
My goodness, the Marlins are hitting .487 with 19 hits and 49 RBIs with the bases loaded. The closest any other team comes is 13 hits and 29 RBIs. Those 49 RBIs are almost a third of their run total for the season. Note to Braves pitchers: do not load the bases against Florida.
May 13th, 201111:10 am
On the closer issue, I was just about to say what ncscoots said, but he beat me to it. Weird.
May 13th, 201111:11 am
Shaun, May 13th, 2011, 10:57 am … “do you honestly agree that it’s a good idea to save your best reliever almost exclusively for save situations; even in tied, extra-inning road games with the opposing team’s best hitters coming up? Does anyone honestly agree that that’s a good idea?”
In a 162 game season, you need to use your “closer” as many times as possible in the highest leverage situations. One reason I hated Bobby for using his best bullpen arms in blow-outs, just to get them some work.
Last year, Venters was used in 80+ games. His effectiveness dropped at the end of the year, in part because he was worn out.
I would love the starters to go seven innings every game and use Venters in the eighth and Kimbrel in the ninth in EVERY game. But, not many relievers are going to be pitching if they have to go 162 innings per year.
to be addressed with a nominally less effective pitcher, and fewer outs
A sort of inverse relationship between outs remaining and reliever quality? I’d agree to an extent here and think this is a thread in the fabric of bullpen usage while acknowledging that there are many other factors to consider when actually choosing the particular pitcher for the particular situation.
May 13th, 201111:13 am
Transplant – It’s because Bud hasn’t figured out a way to make money from Instant Replay. Dude’s all about the bucks and not much else.
I would love the starters to go seven innings every game
Personally I’d love the starters to go 9 every game… if only because it would tend to imply that the starters are friggin amazing…300+ innings a year… a step back towards the old days
CB – you got it!
With the new darker bricks that I’ve upgraded to, you’ll no longer be able to see the blood stains which can serve as a vivid reminder of the stupidity that abounds.
May 13th, 201111:14 am
while acknowledging that there are many other factors to consider when actually choosing the particular pitcher for the particular situation.
You bet. I was trying to address a single, specific premise from jeffrey. Otherwise, my post length might have been N8-ish.
Brian in SC – I suggest we not load the bases against anyone – but maybe ESPECIALLY against the Marlins.
May 13th, 201111:15 am
It’s because Bud hasn’t figured out a way to make money from Instant Replay
He needs to start having it sponsored… “And now the umps will watch the Valvaline Instant Replay, bringing you frictionless accurate performance every time.”
May 13th, 201111:16 am
I don’t know with whom I’m agreeing here, but to me it’s logical to use your best relief pitchers when you need outs the most. If you’re up by a run, and the bases are loaded in the 7th inning, you absolutely should use the best pitcher at your disposal. You shouldn’t just wait around thinking “well, they might load the bases again later.”
I don’t think any manager in baseball manages this way, though. The players want to be pitched in their “role” situations. Closers want to get saves. I don’t blame managers for operating this way, but I do think at some point the tide will start turning against this practice.
Maybe there is something to be said for relievers being comfortable in their “roles”, though. Maybe your best reliever can’t pitch as well in the 7th as he can in the 9th. I think that’s kinda sad, but I’m sure it’s true for some guys.
Mike, re your 11:10, great minds, etc.
May 13th, 201111:18 am
Ten Paul – I think you’re on to something there. “Beer! The Official Sponsor of MLB Instant Replay.,”
May 13th, 201111:20 am
Maybe Bud needs to hire as as Media Consultants at a huge salary?
“Beer! The Official Sponsor of MLB Instant Replay.,”
I like this… there are a ton of directions you can go with the alcoholic beverage sponsoring a “review of things which occurred but you don’t quite recall”
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