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CrαZy
May 11th, 2011
3:54 pm
It’s funny on blogger says these guys are a bunch of pansies for not playing through injuries. Then the next blogger says if they are clearly injured why are they allowed to play?
raleighbravefan
May 11th, 2011
3:54 pm
Lemmer – (I think you meant “losers”, not “loosers” ) Seems to me this falls in the category of “it takes one to know one”
BTW, he didn’t count them. He used technology.
Murph
May 11th, 2011
3:55 pm
And most of those posts where defendin my rite to post here and hot get maid fun of.
You spell like a retard and you throw like a girl. What’s there to make fun of?
cabravesfan
May 11th, 2011
3:55 pm
Dude, if you post here, you’re going to get made fun of. It’s inevitable. Happens to the best of us
cabravesfan
May 11th, 2011
3:57 pm
Murph-
What’s wrong with throwing like a girl????
Murph
May 11th, 2011
3:58 pm
Don’t feel sorry for me retard. I feel special because I can complete a sentence and tie my own shoes. You should try it sometime.
Joe Tess Fish House
May 11th, 2011
3:58 pm
If it makes u fell special 2 make fun of others than I feel sorry 4 U
Fols
May 11th, 2011
3:58 pm
I don’t care which one is lying…..just get back on track JH!
On a side note, I hope that everytime he’s in a slump and ‘injury’ appears? Makes it seem very odd.
Maybe the 2 hole is just a curse?
Gil In Mechanicsville
May 11th, 2011
3:59 pm
So, if a player said to a reporter, “It only hurts when I’m thrown down and in fastballs” , how long do you think it would take to get that information out and 3 guess as to where every pitch from that moment on will be thrown…
Pretty much everyone knew something was wrong with J-Hey, we just did not know what. Facts are, injuries and news of weaknesses travel faster than rumors of infidelity in a Baptist prayer circle.
Fleming
May 11th, 2011
3:59 pm
cabravesfan
What’s wrong with throwing like a girl????
Must not be much. Damon amd McLouth been making a living doing it for years.
Largo
May 11th, 2011
4:00 pm
I assume Heyward is, or wants to be, a team player. Whatever is best for the team. Well, he’s going about it the wrong way. Being tough and playing through an injury (and going something like 2 for 25) is not helping the team, quite the opposite. Hell, I could do a better job than Heyward and I’m on old age pension.
Shaun
May 11th, 2011
4:00 pm
I said that because Fredi said it’s been bothering him for 7 – 10 days.
It was either Heyward didn’t tell the medical staff, or Fredi was lying.
Tom O’Hawke, Fredi saying it’s been bothering him for 7-10 days isn’t necessarily the same as Heyward not telling him or the medical staff 7-10 days ago. They could have known about the shoulder issue for a while but it may have only really started to bother him 7-10 days ago.
Realist
May 11th, 2011
4:01 pm
DOB – I like how you snark at me on the last blog in the comments section, but then you basically quote me on this one. Anyway, I’m just the messenger. Jordan was the one who scooped you, not me. I think you should ask him why he knew and you didn’t.
What Jordan said on the 4/24 postgame show was that he saw Heyward grimace on a swing earlier that week and he asked him if the right shoulder was bothering him. He said Heyward said yes, it’s been hurting since spring training, to which Jordan said, well you gotta figure out how to make an adjustment. And then he said (paraphrasing) “I don’t think that HR today was because of my advice, because I think he’s smart enough on his own, but it looks like he has made an adjustment.”
Why didn’t Heyward tell you this? I don’t know, but would guess it’s the same reason he didn’t tell Fredi or a bunch of other people… he was trying to be a tough guy.
Tommy T
May 11th, 2011
4:01 pm
Joe Tess:
I’m ashamed to make fun of you, but you spell so poorly that it’s geneticly impossible not to. If you don’t want to be made fun of, don’t type like a six-fingered monkey.
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:01 pm
If Fredi was lying about Heyward’s shoulder, then DOB should be able to ask the trainers what was being done for him up until now.
Now that the cat is MeooooOOOOOWWWWWwwwrrr, out of the bag. (Kramer)
Braveone
May 11th, 2011
4:02 pm
Joe Tess Fish House – Program does the counting. Only takes a few seconds to run.
Murph
May 11th, 2011
4:05 pm
I’m not ashamed to make fun of him. If he’s as dumb in real life as his retard internet persona is, he’s not going to go far. I know it’s a regular trolling, but cripes, it’s getting ridiculous.
U B trippin if U thinkk dis aint some 1 who has bean on da blog B 4
CrαZy
May 11th, 2011
4:05 pm
Good afternoon fellow loosers!!
Deedle Nick
May 11th, 2011
4:06 pm
Part of a player’s consideration of his value to his team is to realize that reckless aggressive play has two sides. Maybe taking an extra base with a head-first slide puts him in scoring position. Or on the DL. That extra base isn’t worth it if he misses several (63) games. It’s exciting to see a wall-crashing catch, but waiting to see if he gets up isn’t much fun.
Dennis Reynolds
May 11th, 2011
4:06 pm
What we really need to be concerned about is the harsh amount of time we have to listen to Chip Carey.
That guy is ridiculously annoying. None of what he says is even close to funny, enlightening, or entertaining. Joe’s not much better. I really wish Sutton and Powell would do TV.
Trade Chip Carey for more rubber thumb guards for Heyward.
Shaun
May 11th, 2011
4:07 pm
Largo, I agree, but that’s not unique to Heyward. A lot of players try to be macho and play through pain and injury when they shouldn’t.
Dennis Reynolds
May 11th, 2011
4:07 pm
Its somewhat tolerable when were winning, but when were losing, its that much more annoying.
Deedle Nick
May 11th, 2011
4:07 pm
OK CraZy. We’ll try to tighten things up.
Joe Tess Fish House
May 11th, 2011
4:08 pm
Hey DOB….Can U do sumtin about these guys who are crud and insensative to others? I menton something about the Braves and they attack me for speeling.
I keep askin if I am the only 1 that think hiring a managar with a loosing record is dumb…..Am I?
cricket
May 11th, 2011
4:08 pm
This blog would be so much fun if we had signed Joe Mauer.
raleighbravefan
May 11th, 2011
4:09 pm
Tom O – I don’t think Fredi lied, I think he spoke on a need to know basis (and his interpretation of “bothering him” may differ from yours)
Gil is right. You have to be careful about information given. You are probably basing your opinion on what is given out by the NFL. Their injury reports (fairly detailed) are required. My opinion is that this was dictated primarily because of Las Vegas (and all the other gambling, for that matter) which is a major factor in driving interest in football.
In the NHL, they are practically paranoid about the injury information, for fear of an opponent using that information agains the player who is hurt. You do not want the rest of the league knowing your weaknesses, if possible.
Joe Tess Fish House
May 11th, 2011
4:09 pm
HAHAHAHAHA….that funny about Chip Carrey. I agree he anoise me 2.
DAP
May 11th, 2011
4:10 pm
joe tess And most of those posts where defendin my rite to post here and hot get maid fun of.
you have no such rite.
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:10 pm
Tom O’Hawke, Fredi saying it’s been bothering him for 7-10 days isn’t necessarily the same as Heyward not telling him or the medical staff 7-10 days ago. They could have known about the shoulder issue for a while but it may have only really started to bother him 7-10 days ago. (Shaun)
DOB asked Heyward when it had started bothering him during spring training — “Towards the end, the last two weeks maybe,” he said – and if there had been anything in particular, any incident, in spring training that caused the injury.
“No, nothing in particular,” Heyward said. “Other than just swinging, playing baseball.”
He was then asked if it had affected his swing.
Heyward already has seven homers this season, but he’s a league-worst 2-for-28 with 13 strikeouts in May.
“Most definitely, it has,” Heyward said. “It’s not been a consistent swing. It hasn’t felt good, really, for any consistent period of time. I tried to play through it….”
This injury may have gotten worse in the last week or so, but it sure sounds as if it was bothering him long before that.
Tommy T
May 11th, 2011
4:12 pm
cricket:
I don’t think the internet could’ve handled it.
Bat Masterson
May 11th, 2011
4:13 pm
It’s JoeBrave. It’s always JoeBrave. And, it blows. _ BAS
Last year, when he did the crazy Phillie fan bit he kept mentioning how crazy JoeBraves is. That was the tell and he seemed to be having a good time. This year when he pops in it’s just to spout off some hate and run.
Frank Wrong
May 11th, 2011
4:13 pm
Is it possible that the kid in RF is not the future of this organizaton nor our long term solution at that position? Wait a second…that is the same question I was asking about Frenchy!!!
Frank Wrong
May 11th, 2011
4:14 pm
More evidence that I need to keep my players off the cover of SI.
TennesseePaul
May 11th, 2011
4:14 pm
My guess is, it will require two weeks of rest. DL stint and a call up of some weak hitting never-will-be-with-no-magic minor leaguer… makes one long for the days of Chuck Thomas. Cinderella Story, out of nowhere.
wjones
May 11th, 2011
4:15 pm
“Joe Tess Fish House
May 11th, 2011
3:52 pm
And most of those posts where defendin my rite to post here and hot get maid fun of.”
Then for God’s sake, spell like you at least are familiar with the English language!
Enemas for the Disabled
May 11th, 2011
4:15 pm
Hey…..What if this Joe Tess person truly has a learning/functionality issue? Would you laugh at someone in a wheel chair because they can’t climb stairs? It could be a troll, but then again, it could be real.
Just saying.
Also, using the word retard is offensive.
Jay Dubu
May 11th, 2011
4:16 pm
DOB,
Speaking of shoulders, is Kenshin Kawakami expected back on the mound any time soon?
He’s been out since April 17.
Although the strain on the shoulder would be completely different, let’s hope that Heyward’s shoulder does not require 23 days off.
Liberty Media
May 11th, 2011
4:16 pm
Hah. A Heyward who is injury prone and batting sub .250 is a much cheaper commodity.
wjones
May 11th, 2011
4:17 pm
“Enemas for the Disabled
May 11th, 2011
4:15 pm
Hey…..What if this Joe Tess person truly has a learning/functionality issue? Would you laugh at someone in a wheel chair because they can’t climb stairs? It could be a troll, but then again, it could be real.
Just saying.
Also, using the word retard is offensive.”
Please put your blanket in the dryer before it mildews.
CrαZy
May 11th, 2011
4:17 pm
Apparently the moderator is still wearing a thong 2 sizes too small!
raleighbravefan
May 11th, 2011
4:17 pm
Joe Tess – You are aware that DOB has often “outed” regulars who use false monikers to say stupid things, aren’t you? Just a warning.
cricket
May 11th, 2011
4:18 pm
tragedy continues -
http://www.raysindex.com/2011/05/now-we-know-why-nobody-signed-willy-aybar-he-was-in-prison.html
Joe Tess Fish House
May 11th, 2011
4:18 pm
So he outed you from your closest?
hahahahahaha
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:19 pm
Tom O – I don’t think Fredi lied, I think he spoke on a need to know basis (and his interpretation of “bothering him” may differ from yours) (raleighbravefan)
That’s an excellent point about the interpretation. Right now, I can only go by what I read, and Heyward’s (lack of?) production. His numbers may not be due to injury. But my interpretation is that they are.
Maybe we’ll find out in time.
Bat Masterson
May 11th, 2011
4:20 pm
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ʞɔoɹ ǝɥʇ
TnBrian
May 11th, 2011
4:22 pm
nique, I know, it does sounf rediculous to think a homerun can kill momentum. But, sometimes, like last nights situation, I think it did to a point. The homerun was the peak of that and we’re still down a run with a few more outs to play with. Not to mention their pen is pretty good over there.
Murph
May 11th, 2011
4:22 pm
So he outed you from your closest?
As opposed to being outed from his farthest?
BravesWin
May 11th, 2011
4:22 pm
Heyward, with quality rehab and managing, will be fine. He ain’t no Andruw Jones flash.
Like the “Ferraris” quip from Fredi…
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:22 pm
Enemas for the Disabled
Never seen this moniker before. Obviously, not regular.
T for Texas
May 11th, 2011
4:22 pm
I’m starting to think Joe Tess IS Ward.
Joe Tess and Ward were created by the same person, but you wouldn’t know anything about that, would ya Murph?
raleighbravefan
May 11th, 2011
4:22 pm
I’ve asked before, but not gotten an answer – Do the Braves get insurance payments to cover KK’s salary while he is on the minor league DL? If so, who cares how long he is out?
Murph
May 11th, 2011
4:24 pm
T for Texas, if I were to create an alternate persona it would be way more creative and funny than this Joe Tess character. The regular pulling the Joe Tess strings should be ashamed of himself, not because he’s making everyone mad, but more because it’s just not very amusing.
TnBrian
May 11th, 2011
4:25 pm
Best thing for Willie Aybar to do is keep his punk ass out of MLB. Somebody with some guts and common sense would bean him square in the helmet with a heater. I would anyways. Maybe/hopefully it happens where he’s playing now.
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:25 pm
Sometimes I think I get dumber by just reading some of these posts.
flange1
May 11th, 2011
4:26 pm
Dang Bat, how did you do that?
Gil In Mechanicsville
May 11th, 2011
4:26 pm
Arkansas Transplant Only if you take them seriously AT, only if you take them seriously….
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:27 pm
I know Ward personally. He use to be an undercover CIA agent.. bet no one knew that?
Tommy T
May 11th, 2011
4:28 pm
Ward shot Bin Laden!!!!
Fish Bisch
May 11th, 2011
4:29 pm
Ho hum, just got finished catching up with all the posts the past night/day. Joe Tess has been an AJC frequent blogger for some time now. I first saw him on falcon’s blogs. Welcome aboard Joe! Same old stuff though, different scapegoat (Heyward). Can’t we give this guy a break? I mean what’s with all the vile towards this guy? Let’s go out and win the series! Beat Lannan!
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:29 pm
You have to look out for anyone that’s from Texas via way of Albuquerque.
raleighbravefan
May 11th, 2011
4:29 pm
Murph – Thanks!
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:29 pm
Tommy T
Ward didn’t actually pull the trigger but it was his intell.
Heyward’s got a sore shoulder — who knew? | Raw Sports - Atlanta Braves
May 11th, 2011
4:30 pm
[...] Atlanta Braves [...]
Shaun
May 11th, 2011
4:30 pm
Tom O’Hawke, I think your 4:10pm is hardly definitive proof that Heyward was keeping it secret from everyone in the organization. I think the most likely explanation is that, within the last 7-10 days, Fredi and the organization knew this was something that was so bothersome that it might cause him to eventually miss time or possibly go on the DL.
Another thing that complicates all this is that it’s probably difficult for a player to know, when the adrenaline is flowing, if something is so bothersome as to keep him from being effective. A player probably thinks he can play through something that is nagging him and doesn’t really recognize it until it really starts to get worse.
Heyward probably wasn’t intentionally trying to keep pain or an injury from his manager or the organization. Fredi and the organization probably knew things were nagging him, even if they didn’t know specifics.
Perhaps this says something about the baseball folks and the training staff getting together and pressing players about whether anything is bothering them that might affect their play. I think an organization has to consider that a player has every incentive to try to play through nagging pain or injuries. It takes more than just, “Do you feel okay? Yes? Then, go get ‘em.”
I’m not saying this is what happened with Heyward. No one has any clue why he was allowed to play through pain or injury. And perhaps the player and the organization did everything right and this is just one of those things that happens in baseball.
Murph
May 11th, 2011
4:31 pm
Funny how Joe Tess leaves… just as AT shows up. Like Batman and Bruce Wayne… kinda.
Gil In Mechanicsville
May 11th, 2011
4:31 pm
As for credibility, I think over the course of a few seasons, one can figure out who can be relied upon and who can’t. That said, even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while but that is why so many folks play the lottery. Always a chance lightning will strike. Much like blog wisdom… but different…
cricket
May 11th, 2011
4:32 pm
Interesting tidbits from BSPN Jayson Stark column -
You don’t see many pitchers’ duels like that Cliff Lee-Derek Lowe classic on Friday. In fact, we know for a fact we haven’t seen ANY games like that in the past 62 seasons. Eric Seidman, of FanGraphs and brotherlyglove.com fame, tells Rumblings there hasn’t been another game since 1950 in which one starting pitcher (Lee) piled up 16 strikeouts before the other starter (Lowe) gave up a hit. In fact, there have been only three previous games in that span in which a starter even reached double figures in whiffs before his team got a hit: Nolan Ryan (13) on June 8, 1977; Sam McDowell (11) on May 1, 1968; and Ryan again (10) on April 26, 1990.
How amazing is it that Jo-Jo Reyes has won NONE of his past 25 starts? First off, he’s just the fourth pitcher to have a winless streak that long since 1922, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. The others: Matt Keough (28), Bob Miller (27) and Anthony Young (27). Second, during Reyes’ winless streak, four different pitchers have won at least 15 of their past 25 starts: Roy Halladay (17), Trevor Cahill (16), Adam Wainwright (15) and Jon Lester (15).
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:32 pm
How dare you, Murph. How dare you?
Fols
May 11th, 2011
4:32 pm
When I hit a slump in the office, I always tell my manager it’s cause i’m injured to….same deal right?
He’ll hit a homerun soon enough and tell reporters he’s healthy again.
Kids gotta learn to battle these slumps which he will. I’m not worried about J-Hey. I am worried about giving up a 7-1 lead again and trying to fight back!
GO BRAVES!
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:33 pm
Sometimes I think I get dumber by just reading some of these posts. (Arkansas Transplant)
Duhh…huh? Whadda yu mean?
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:33 pm
I’ve been here all along, I’ve just been in whisper mode.
Murph
May 11th, 2011
4:35 pm
I knew it was your, Fredo… you broke my heart. Broke my heart.
Mixxo
May 11th, 2011
4:35 pm
If I hear one more Heyward/Josh Hamilton comparo……..I might come unglued or snatch a knot in somebody’s a**.
cabravesfan
May 11th, 2011
4:36 pm
Tom-
Aren’t you glad you stopped by?
Joe Tess Fish House
May 11th, 2011
4:36 pm
Im here Murph.Where U at?
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:36 pm
Are you saying Heyward is like Hamilton?
Jay Dubu
May 11th, 2011
4:36 pm
@raleighbravefan
If KK get get on the mound and pitch halfway decent before the trading deadline, the Braves maybe able to get a prospect for his services the remainder of the year.
Shaun
May 11th, 2011
4:37 pm
When I hit a slump in the office, I always tell my manager it’s cause i’m injured to….same deal right?
If you work in an office, it’s probably not the same deal.
Mixxo
May 11th, 2011
4:37 pm
lol@ cabravesfan!
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:38 pm
Tom O’Hawke, I think your 4:10pm is hardly definitive proof that Heyward was keeping it secret from everyone in the organization. (Shaun)
Definitive proof?! How can I, or any of us, give definitive proof. This is all about opinion.
I gave you my opinion, Shaun. raleighbravefan said it best, IMO, a few comments ago. It’s in the interpretation.
Until I hear differently, you know my interpretation. Maybe time will tell, maybe not.
Bat Masterson
May 11th, 2011
4:38 pm
Dang Bat, how did you do that? _ flange1
He wrote flip it upside down, right. Just trying to help them along. Its magic……………..
http://www.fliptextgenerator.com/
Fish Bisch
May 11th, 2011
4:39 pm
Moylo will be out 8-10 weeks, don’t rush it dude. We got cheryl and linebreak to ease your abscence. Come back stronger than ever. EOF is filling your role nicely.
Mixxo
May 11th, 2011
4:39 pm
“I’ve been here all along, I’ve just been in whisper mode.”
Yeah, that’s not creepy at all.
Shaun
May 11th, 2011
4:40 pm
Arkansas Transplant and Mixxo, who compared Hamilton and Heyward? I’ve seen nothing of the sort.
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:40 pm
I think it’s harder to prove he wasn’t keeping it secret, than that he was, just from his own comments.
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:41 pm
Another thing that complicates all this is that it’s probably difficult for a player to know, when the adrenaline is flowing, if something is so bothersome as to keep him from being effective. A player probably thinks he can play through something that is nagging him and doesn’t really recognize it until it really starts to get worse. (Shaun)
That could be true, Shaun, but no excuse in my opinion. Something hurting, find out if it’s nothing, or something serious.
That’s why the Braves have a medical staff.
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:41 pm
Shaun, easy now.. I’m not implying you were.
Snotboogie
May 11th, 2011
4:43 pm
Braves lineup: 1. Prado lf, 2. Gonzo ss, 3. Jones 3b, 4. McCann c, 5. Uggla 2b, 6. Freeman 1b, 7. Hinske rf, 8. McLouth cf, 9. Hanson rhp
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:43 pm
. I think an organization has to consider that a player has every incentive to try to play through nagging pain or injuries. It takes more than just, “Do you feel okay? Yes? Then, go get ‘em.” (Shaun)
I couldn’t agree more, Shaun.
Murph
May 11th, 2011
4:44 pm
I here Joe. Me right here.
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:45 pm
Tom, Especially after seeing what happened to Schafer when he tried to hide/play thru injury.
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:45 pm
Tom-
(cabravesfan)
Aren’t you glad you stopped by?
Don’t you now feel guilty for threatening me with bodily harm if I didn’t?
Arkansas Transplant
May 11th, 2011
4:46 pm
Joe, are you and Murph sharing keyboards again?
Mixxo
May 11th, 2011
4:47 pm
Shaun -
There was some of that action on the last blog. I curled off a tasteful comment concerning such.
Mixxo
May 11th, 2011
4:47 pm
Gonzo’s back…..thank goodness!
Fish Bisch
May 11th, 2011
4:48 pm
I too seen the comparison of heyward to hamilton and laughed out loud.
Tom O'Hawke
May 11th, 2011
4:48 pm
Tom, Especially after seeing what happened to Schafer when he tried to hide/play thru injury. (Arkansas Transplant)
Exactly!
Murph
May 11th, 2011
4:48 pm
I’ll go ahead and just say it. Didn’t want to, but you’ve left me no choice…
AT is Joe Tess. There, I said it. He messaged me on Facebook earlier and told me he was going to come on here as Joe Tess and have some fun. I warned him that it was a bad idea, but he did it anyways.
Sorry AT. I just couldn’t cover for you any more.
Joe Tess Fish House
May 11th, 2011
4:48 pm
Gonzo palys 4 the Flacons.
Joe Tess Fish House
May 11th, 2011
4:49 pm
I dont beleive in facebok so I dont have an acount.